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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 22:33:40 GMT
Why were they attacked mate? I’m not condoning it by the way, but why were they attacked? Nothing to do with the planned pro Palestinian March then to coincide with the game🤷♂️ It’s fairly well documented even by the police commissioner. There’s evidence everywhere showing Maccabi fans walking through town singing anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian songs and chants. Ripping Palestinian flags down from the homes of locals, climbing up walls and lampposts to do so. A taxi driver who confronted them over it was beaten up, prompting a revenge attack from a group of North Africans. They jeered through a minutes silence for the Valencia flood victims. Their fans have a history of it, they have one of the most openly racist fan bases you will find. They’re clearly went looking for trouble and rightly or wrongly got their arses handed to them on a plate….. |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:33:58 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 22:33:58 GMT
But it's pretty clear the hatred is on both sides. We can't sit here and say that the Turks slaughtering a bunch of Israeli football fans is somehow morally acceptable. None of this is acceptable. Regardless of who started it... I’m not saying that in the slightest. Every Israeli fan that goes over to support their team without inciting hatred or looking for trouble should be treated respectfully. Anyone that goes shouting filth about Palestinians and ripping flags down are going to be in serious trouble. I suspect their fans will be stopped from travelling anyway…… I'm sure you are as forthright as stopping away fans travelling for shouting filth about the holocaust, ethnic cleansing and the October 7th terrorist attack? |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 8, 2024 22:35:27 GMT
Maccabi Tel Aviv fans travel to watch their team play a football match against a Dutch team and are met with Pro-Palestinian protesters yet the violence is blamed on the Jews.
Seems a bit predictable.
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Nov 8, 2024 22:36:04 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 8, 2024 22:36:04 GMT
Nothing to do with the planned pro Palestinian March then to coincide with the game🤷♂️ It’s fairly well documented even by the police commissioner. There’s evidence everywhere showing Maccabi fans walking through town singing anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian songs and chants. Ripping Palestinian flags down from the homes of locals, climbing up walls and lampposts to do so. A taxi driver who confronted them over it was beaten up, prompting a revenge attack from a group of North Africans. They jeered through a minutes silence for the Valencia flood victims. Their fans have a history of it, they have one of the most openly racist fan bases you will find. They’re clearly went looking for trouble and rightly or wrongly got their arses handed to them on a plate….. Fairly well documented where? |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:36:15 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 22:36:15 GMT
Because they’re flying the Palestinian flag in solidarity with the people of Palestine I’m guessing. Some of them may even be Palestinians living in Amsterdam, who knows? Why didn’t all those people that had Ukraine flags in their windows go and fight against Russia using your own logic? Exactly mate why don't they? I'll ask you that? Solidarity means surely to stand by someone at all costs does it not? I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:39:57 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 22:39:57 GMT
I’m not saying that in the slightest. Every Israeli fan that goes over to support their team without inciting hatred or looking for trouble should be treated respectfully. Anyone that goes shouting filth about Palestinians and ripping flags down are going to be in serious trouble. I suspect their fans will be stopped from travelling anyway…… I'm sure you are as forthright as stopping away fans travelling for shouting filth about the holocaust, ethnic cleansing and the October 7th terrorist attack? I would be yeah. I would condemn it fully, and have done. I had exactly that altercation with a Stoke fan at White Hart Lane several years ago when he was hissing, and talking shit about Jews and gas chambers. He was a prick and I told him so, luckily a couple of his mates could take their drink and told him to shut up and sort his head out….. |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:40:37 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 22:40:37 GMT
Exactly mate why don't they? I'll ask you that? Solidarity means surely to stand by someone at all costs does it not? I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? "Beliveing it's wrong for a group of people to be oppressed." A bit like 6 million deaths in the holocaust? |
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 22:43:00 GMT
I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? "Beliveing it's wrong for a group of people to be oppressed." A bit like 6 million deaths in the holocaust? What has The Holocaust got to do with Gaza? Please explain |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:44:23 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Nov 8, 2024 22:44:23 GMT
But it's pretty clear the hatred is on both sides. We can't sit here and say that the Turks slaughtering a bunch of Israeli football fans is somehow morally acceptable. None of this is acceptable. Regardless of who started it... I’m not saying that in the slightest. Every Israeli fan that goes over to support their team without inciting hatred or looking for trouble should be treated respectfully. Anyone that goes shouting filth about Palestinians and ripping flags down are going to be in serious trouble. I suspect their fans will be stopped from travelling anyway…… I know you're not actually suggesting that an acceptable reaction to ripping down flags is murder. We can't be legitimising this behaviour, even if these people who think it's OK to rip down a flag. It's a fucking flag. To respond with butchery is fucking savage. |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:47:25 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2024 22:47:25 GMT
I’m not saying that in the slightest. Every Israeli fan that goes over to support their team without inciting hatred or looking for trouble should be treated respectfully. Anyone that goes shouting filth about Palestinians and ripping flags down are going to be in serious trouble. I suspect their fans will be stopped from travelling anyway…… I know you're not actually suggesting that an acceptable reaction to ripping down flags is murder. We can't be legitimising this behaviour, even if these people who think it's OK to rip down a flag. It's a fucking flag. To respond with butchery is fucking savage. He's pretty much saying that if they rip down a flag they are welcome to whatever comes their way. Let's call a spade a spade. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 22:47:56 GMT
It’s fairly well documented even by the police commissioner. There’s evidence everywhere showing Maccabi fans walking through town singing anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian songs and chants. Ripping Palestinian flags down from the homes of locals, climbing up walls and lampposts to do so. A taxi driver who confronted them over it was beaten up, prompting a revenge attack from a group of North Africans. They jeered through a minutes silence for the Valencia flood victims. Their fans have a history of it, they have one of the most openly racist fan bases you will find. They’re clearly went looking for trouble and rightly or wrongly got their arses handed to them on a plate….. Fairly well documented where? The Police commissioner has said so in an interview, there are literally clips everywhere of the fans doing everything above as described. There are several eye witness statements from local people verifying it. A couple of minutes googling “Maccabi Tel Aviv racist fans” and you’ll see articles galore on their fans, the songs they were singing about Arabs, Gazan children, Palestinian being annexed are literally par for the course….. |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:48:47 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 22:48:47 GMT
"Beliveing it's wrong for a group of people to be oppressed." A bit like 6 million deaths in the holocaust? What has The Holocaust got to do with Gaza? Please explain ...... (sigh) |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 22:49:32 GMT
I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? "Beliveing it's wrong for a group of people to be oppressed." A bit like 6 million deaths in the holocaust? What have 6 million deaths in the holocaust got to do with the Israel-Palestinian situation sorry? |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:50:08 GMT
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2024 22:50:08 GMT
What has The Holocaust got to do with Gaza? Please explain ...... (sigh) You on the ale? |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:50:34 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 22:50:34 GMT
Fairly well documented where? The Police commissioner has said so in an interview, there are literally clips everywhere of the fans doing everything above as described. There are several eye witness statements from local people verifying it. A couple of minutes googling “Maccabi Tel Aviv racist fans” and you’ll see articles galore on their fans, the songs they were singing about Arabs, Gazan children, Palestinian being annexed are literally par for the course….. Never Googled 'Maccabi Tel Aviv Racist Fans' but ill give it a whirl. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 22:55:21 GMT
I know you're not actually suggesting that an acceptable reaction to ripping down flags is murder. We can't be legitimising this behaviour, even if these people who think it's OK to rip down a flag. It's a fucking flag. To respond with butchery is fucking savage. He's pretty much saying that if they rip down a flag they are welcome to whatever comes their way. Let's call a spade a spade. I’m saying nothing of the sort. But we’re talking about human reactions here, if a bunch of NF skinheads walked through an area full of black and Asian people shouting racist shit do you think they’d get invited in for tea and biscuits? I don’t condone violence but that’s what happens in these situations. The Maccabi fans to repeat have a history of racism and bigotry. Me pointing that out has nothing to do with them being Jewish or even Israeli it’s just a documented fact…… |
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Nov 8, 2024 22:56:16 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 22:56:16 GMT
"Beliveing it's wrong for a group of people to be oppressed." A bit like 6 million deaths in the holocaust? What have 6 million deaths in the holocaust got to do with the Israel-Palestinian situation sorry? Everything. October 7th the worst Pogorom since 1940. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2024 23:00:19 GMT
Exactly mate why don't they? I'll ask you that? Solidarity means surely to stand by someone at all costs does it not? I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? I struggle with that mate. If I felt so strongly about something as some seem to on here then I'd be over there trying to do something to help. If not fighting for the cause then helping with food aid etc. I don't hence me sitting here now talking to you but if I felt strongly about it I would do as much as I could to help out. I don't think waving a flag and commenting on the internet puts anyone in that category. It's virtue signalling shite. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 23:04:55 GMT
What have 6 million deaths in the holocaust got to do with the Israel-Palestinian situation sorry? Everything. October 7th the worst Pogorom since 1940. The state of Israel didn’t exist in 1940. Read a history book…. |
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Post by turtlefox on Nov 8, 2024 23:07:48 GMT
This is a nothing story, and why journalism should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 23:10:50 GMT
Everything. October 7th the worst Pogorom since 1940. Israel didn’t exist in 1940. Read a history book…. Clearly the Horrible Histories you read didn't tell you the Kingdom Of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah was 900 BCE. |
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Nov 8, 2024 23:11:20 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 23:11:20 GMT
I’d say because there is no correlation with believing it’s wrong for a group of people to be oppressed, with having to go over and fight yourself. I mean practically speaking I couldn’t go to Gaza and fight against the IDF even if I wanted to so how would that even work? I struggle with that mate. If I felt so strongly about something as some seem to on here then I'd be over there trying to do something to help. If not fighting for the cause then helping with food aid etc. I don't hence me sitting here now talking to you but if I felt strongly about it I would do as much as I could to help out. I don't think waving a flag and commenting on the internet puts anyone in that category. It's virtue signalling shite. There’s plenty you can do to help out without going over and fighting though which is impossible in the case of Gaza anyway. Sometimes just keeping an issue in the public eye is all you can do. On the spectrum of waving a flag and fighting on the front line there’s plenty in between….. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2024 23:12:20 GMT
Everything. October 7th the worst Pogorom since 1940. Israel didn’t exist in 1940. Read a history book…. Israel predates Palestine by 1000 years mate. I suggest you read one. |
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Nov 8, 2024 23:13:30 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2024 23:13:30 GMT
I struggle with that mate. If I felt so strongly about something as some seem to on here then I'd be over there trying to do something to help. If not fighting for the cause then helping with food aid etc. I don't hence me sitting here now talking to you but if I felt strongly about it I would do as much as I could to help out. I don't think waving a flag and commenting on the internet puts anyone in that category. It's virtue signalling shite. There’s plenty you can do to help out without going over and fighting though which is impossible in the case of Gaza anyway. Sometimes just keeping an issue in the public eye is all you can do. On the spectrum of waving a flag and fighting on the front line there’s plenty in between….. So your posts on the internet is as far as you'll go then mate. That's fair. |
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Nov 8, 2024 23:14:41 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 8, 2024 23:14:41 GMT
Israel didn’t exist in 1940. Read a history book…. Israel predates Palestine by 1000 years mate. I suggest you read one. Shhhh it's funny. |
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Nov 8, 2024 23:16:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 8, 2024 23:16:14 GMT
He literally doesn't have a clue what he's talking about mate. |
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Nov 8, 2024 23:17:13 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2024 23:17:13 GMT
He literally doesn't have a clue what he's talking about mate. Here he is 😁 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 8, 2024 23:20:12 GMT
Israel didn’t exist in 1940. Read a history book…. Clearly the Horrible Histories you read didn't tell you the Kingdom Of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah was 900 BCE. Fucking hell you’ll be telling us the Beaker folk should take back the British Isles and push us all into Wales and close the border next……. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2024 23:20:12 GMT
Israel predates Palestine by 1000 years mate. I suggest you read one. Shhhh it's funny. It would be but it's got daft on here mate. You can have all the facts you want but you'll get someone saying you are wrong because they think they are better than you and it's pathetic. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 8, 2024 23:23:07 GMT
Tel Aviv play in one of the UEFA European tournaments most years. Them being Jewish hasn’t caused a great deal of issues in the recent past, so I’m not wholly convinced it’s just down to them being Jewish.
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