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Nov 11, 2024 23:14:25 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 11, 2024 23:14:25 GMT
Haven’t those really bad Maccabi fans gone home yet🤔😊 Kicking off with the police is anti-Semitic. You learn something every day…… |
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Nov 11, 2024 23:44:17 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 11, 2024 23:44:17 GMT
You’ve blatantly and clearly said “ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance” and then evidenced one incident to attempt to justify your sweeping generalisation. I don’t doubt some MTA fans have an openly anti-Palestinian stance. But to imply they all do is manifestly unfounded and unfair. Don’t take my word for it. Read your own post back to yourself. According to that logic; *all Celtic fans support the IRA as there are many cited examples *all Rangers fans support the UVF as there are many cited examples *all Stoke fans are violent BNP supporting sociopaths as there are many cited examples As Metalhead said - nuance is important. They do have form. And a sizeable chunk of them have proven that on multiple occasions. You appear to be mixing nuance with semantics….. Surely, you mean “ some” Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form? If someone in the future says something equally as daft by degrees, like Palestinians are openly anti-Israeli terrorists for example (there are many examples after all), they can then claim it’s merely semantics when somebody calls it out because, as you say, the person calling it out is just confusing semantics with nuance. Where there are variables and degrees of scale there is always nuance. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 11, 2024 23:44:46 GMT
Fuckin antisemitic police! 😉
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 12, 2024 0:18:43 GMT
Yes. Why, what are you implying? I'm not implying anything. I'm treating your source with the exact same skepticism that I have to show every piece of fresh information, as we are living in the disinformation age. There is very little verification to Twitter reporting and there's no mainstream outlet reporting it (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans). I suspect your information is factually accurate, much like those who reported some rather nefarious activities during the protests by people who weren't right wing... they also went unreported. Like I said, we're living in the disinformation age. It's fucking shit. If an Israeli told me it was dark at night I’d have to go outside to check. The institutionalised racism that Israelis grow up in distorts their reality; they believe they have the absolute right to treat others with contempt, violence and hate, whilst still deserving to be treated themselves as victims of “anti semitism”. Israel continues to commit genocide and our government continues to excuse, appease and facilitate it. I met a couple of Israeli's thanks to the global nature of Software Engineering and I never once got that impression from them. That said, we never discussed Palestine. It just didn't come up. I suspect if we met again, it might but up until recently, I don't think normal Israeli's walked around with flags jerking themselves off to dead Palestinians. Much like the only Russian I know, has never once mentioned Ukraine.... and I've known him for longer than the war has been going on. I think whoever you talk to, there's a victim narrative going on. Both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel believe that the other side are spinning a victim narrative and there's probably some truth to that. It's not enough to have a singular picture of what is actually happening anymore. Now with the Internet and the Instagram, Twitter, Social Media Narrative, it's an incredibly powerful tool to be controlled and that's where the victim narrative is deployed most effectively. Depending which side you align, will very much drive the particular propaganda message you share/align to... One thing is pretty clear: Nuance has been thrown out of the window. Edit: The genocide claim is a really tricky one, in that I'm not convinced it can be verified at this point. Do I think they are committing genocide? Probably. Do I know? Nope and nor do you and none of us will truly know until this war has ended, pretty much the same as WW2. I know Hamas committed awful terrorist atrocities and that the ICJ believes that the Israeli government is continuing to commit war crimes that strongly connect to genocide. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 12, 2024 4:25:50 GMT
Yes. Why, what are you implying? I'm not implying anything. I'm treating your source with the exact same skepticism that I have to show every piece of fresh information, as we are living in the disinformation age. There is very little verification to Twitter reporting and there's no mainstream outlet reporting it (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans). I suspect your information is factually accurate, much like those who reported some rather nefarious activities during the protests by people who weren't right wing... they also went unreported. Like I said, we're living in the disinformation age. It's fucking shit. If an Israeli told me it was dark at night I’d have to go outside to check. The institutionalised racism that Israelis grow up in distorts their reality; they believe they have the absolute right to treat others with contempt, violence and hate, whilst still deserving to be treated themselves as victims of “anti semitism”. Israel continues to commit genocide and our government continues to excuse, appease and facilitate it. I met a couple of Israeli's thanks to the global nature of Software Engineering and I never once got that impression from them. That said, we never discussed Palestine. It just didn't come up. I suspect if we met again, it might but up until recently, I don't think normal Israeli's walked around with flags jerking themselves off to dead Palestinians. Much like the only Russian I know, has never once mentioned Ukraine.... and I've known him for longer than the war has been going on. I think whoever you talk to, there's a victim narrative going on. Both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel believe that the other side are spinning a victim narrative and there's probably some truth to that. It's not enough to have a singular picture of what is actually happening anymore. Now with the Internet and the Instagram, Twitter, Social Media Narrative, it's an incredibly powerful tool to be controlled and that's where the victim narrative is deployed most effectively. Depending which side you align, will very much drive the particular propaganda message you share/align to... One thing is pretty clear: Nuance has been thrown out of the window. Edit: The genocide claim is a really tricky one, in that I'm not convinced it can be verified at this point. Do I think they are committing genocide? Probably. Do I know? Nope and nor do you and none of us will truly know until this war has ended, pretty much the same as WW2. Excellent post and very balanced. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 12, 2024 7:54:14 GMT
Certainly caught them red handed. However that is one version of events right? There's still clear evidence to suggest that Israeli fans were attacked at some point. No it ISN'T one version of the events at all. I was SPECIFICALLY commenting on the BBC's use of the video. They claimed it was local Muslims in the video. There are two sides to THAT claim. One is true and one isn't. We had been discussing how I thought it was important that Twitter existed, so that we could hold main stream media's feet to the fire when they want to push false narratives down our throats. I believe this example perfectly illustrates the power of social media when it's used responsibly. Whether or not the Tel Aviv fans were later attacked is a separate discussion and as far as I'm aware, nobody on here has even remotely suggested that they weren't. EDIT: Hey up, it looks like I wasn't the only one to spot their lies ... Fair shout. Can't argue with that. If the footage in your clip shows only Maccabi fans and the BBC labelled them pro-palestinian, then it's just lies and disingenuous reporting. |
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Nov 12, 2024 9:22:56 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 12, 2024 9:22:56 GMT
emretezzy so you're telling me if a bunch for foreign football hooligans came to Stoke and started signing stuff like this in the streets. You'd defend them as innocent bystanders and any retaliation as antisemetic. Israelis first, British second. Them chants are obviously wrong Gawa... you wouldn't expect me to say anything else surely. I don't think both sides are innocent and if they did come to Stoke I would like to think they wouldn't be met with Palestinian flags and an angry mob. Although both would be very likely unfortunately. In todays news... A junior football team in Berlin has been put under police protection after it was attacked by a Pro-Palestinian mob with knives. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 12, 2024 9:52:04 GMT
They do have form. And a sizeable chunk of them have proven that on multiple occasions. You appear to be mixing nuance with semantics….. Surely, you mean “ some” Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form? If someone in the future says something equally as daft by degrees, like Palestinians are openly anti-Israeli terrorists for example (there are many examples after all), they can then claim it’s merely semantics when somebody calls it out because, as you say, the person calling it out is just confusing semantics with nuance. Where there are variables and degrees of scale there is always nuance. I mean it depends if that person had used the phrase “a sizeable chunk of them” on multiple occasions. Which categorically means not all of them of course….. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 12, 2024 10:23:38 GMT
emretezzy so you're telling me if a bunch for foreign football hooligans came to Stoke and started signing stuff like this in the streets. You'd defend them as innocent bystanders and any retaliation as antisemetic. Israelis first, British second. Them chants are obviously wrong Gawa... you wouldn't expect me to say anything else surely. I don't think both sides are innocent and if they did come to Stoke I would like to think they wouldn't be met with Palestinian flags and an angry mob. Although both would be very likely unfortunately. In todays news... A junior football team in Berlin has been put under police protection after it was attacked by a Pro-Palestinian mob with knives. Just imagine if a set of fans from Germany, Serbia, Albania or wherever came over to the UK for a European tie with Spurs, a club with a large Jewish fan base in a large Jewish area, gathered en masse, sang about Jews being gassed and wiped off the face of the earth, mocked the dead civilians of November 7th and ripped down Israeli flags that were on show. Then imagine that local Jewish gangs from North London took offence to this and kicked off, and Spurs fans gathered after the game to confront the opposition fans and some ended up getting a pasting. Then think about the media narrative on the back of this, how many people think the sympathy would lie with the anti-Semitic football thugs and not who came to antagonise/cause trouble and not the local population who wanted retaliation? And would there be a caviat that despite their being a significant amount of Neanderthals involved “they’re not all like that”? It would be chalk and cheese….. |
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Nov 12, 2024 10:51:34 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 10:51:34 GMT
Surely, you mean “ some” Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form? If someone in the future says something equally as daft by degrees, like Palestinians are openly anti-Israeli terrorists for example (there are many examples after all), they can then claim it’s merely semantics when somebody calls it out because, as you say, the person calling it out is just confusing semantics with nuance. Where there are variables and degrees of scale there is always nuance. I mean it depends if that person had used the phrase “a sizeable chunk of them” on multiple occasions. Which categorically means not all of them of course….. Indeed, you didn't attempt to label "all" of them with a sweeping generalisation at all, evidenced by the ACTUAL words you used. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 12, 2024 11:25:50 GMT
Surely, you mean “ some” Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form? If someone in the future says something equally as daft by degrees, like Palestinians are openly anti-Israeli terrorists for example (there are many examples after all), they can then claim it’s merely semantics when somebody calls it out because, as you say, the person calling it out is just confusing semantics with nuance. Where there are variables and degrees of scale there is always nuance. I mean it depends if that person had used the phrase “a sizeable chunk of them” on multiple occasions. Which categorically means not all of them of course….. I’m not suggesting normal Israeli’s do that either. But am I suggesting on the basis that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance and the evidence on the night that a sizeable chunk of their fans were. You keep talking about nuance, just constantly both siding a debate isn’t nuance……. It doesn't mater whatever else you say. It's literally in fucking red mate. Aside from the poor English you directly said that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance. Nothing about "some". Nothing about "not all". You just said a sizeable chunk of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were involved in altercations on the night. Indeed, no nuance. Either way, I've been reliably informed that a Nebula of Narcissism is apparently lurking on the metaphorical interstellar horizon so I'll be agreeing to agree to disagree. |
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Nov 12, 2024 11:28:54 GMT
Post by probably on Nov 12, 2024 11:28:54 GMT
I mean it depends if that person had used the phrase “a sizeable chunk of them” on multiple occasions. Which categorically means not all of them of course….. I’m not suggesting normal Israeli’s do that either. But am I suggesting on the basis that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance and the evidence on the night that a sizeable chunk of their fans were. You keep talking about nuance, just constantly both siding a debate isn’t nuance……. It doesn't mater whatever else you say. It's literally in fucking red mate. Aside from the poor English you directly said that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance. Nothing about "some". Nothing about "not all". You just said a sizeable chunk of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were involved in altercations on the night. Indeed, no nuance. Either way, I've been reliably informed that a Nebula of Narcissism is apparently lurking on the metaphorical interstellar horizon so I'll be agreeing to agree to disagree. Nebula of Narcissism  |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 12, 2024 11:33:10 GMT
I mean it depends if that person had used the phrase “a sizeable chunk of them” on multiple occasions. Which categorically means not all of them of course….. I’m not suggesting normal Israeli’s do that either. But am I suggesting on the basis that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance and the evidence on the night that a sizeable chunk of their fans were. You keep talking about nuance, just constantly both siding a debate isn’t nuance……. It doesn't mater whatever else you say. It's literally in fucking red mate. Aside from the poor English you directly said that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have form for their openly anti-Palestinian stance. Nothing about "some". Nothing about "not all". You just said a sizeable chunk of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were involved in altercations on the night. Indeed, no nuance. Either way, I've been reliably informed that a Nebula of Narcissism is apparently lurking on the metaphorical interstellar horizon so I'll be agreeing to agree to disagree. It just fairly common language. If you said “The Catholic Church have form when it comes to children being sexually abused by priests” at no point would I think you were referring to every single priest in the Catholic Church. And I especially wouldn’t if you then in the next sentence used a phrase you’d used previously and referred to a “sizeable chunk” not all of them. Anyway this is just tedious now, time to move on….. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 16:45:20 GMT
And what is Parliament going to do?
Erm, that will be absolutely nothing ...
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Post by metalhead on Nov 12, 2024 20:07:43 GMT
And what is Parliament going to do? Erm, that will be absolutely nothing ... All parliament can do is condemn Israel which I think they are doing more often than not. I don't think it's quite as easy as "we're pulling our support for your bullshit war". |
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Nov 12, 2024 20:24:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 20:24:14 GMT
And what is Parliament going to do? Erm, that will be absolutely nothing ... All parliament can do is condemn Israel which I think they are doing more often than not. I don't think it's quite as easy as "we're pulling our support for your bullshit war". You can't actually be serious. Parliament are NOT condemning Israels actions more often than not, far from it. And even if they were (and they're not) it's far from ALL they can do. Spain and Italy currently have arms embargoes against Israel, there is absolutely zero reason why we cannot do the same. Oh accept that WE'RE in debt to the Israel lobby of course. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 12, 2024 20:47:36 GMT
All parliament can do is condemn Israel which I think they are doing more often than not. I don't think it's quite as easy as "we're pulling our support for your bullshit war". You can't actually be serious. Parliament are NOT condemning Israels actions more often than not, far from it. And even if they were (and they're not) it's far from ALL they can do. Spain and Italy currently have arms embargoes against Israel, there is absolutely zero reason why we cannot do the same. Oh accept that WE'RE in debt to the Israel lobby of course. Aren't Israel an ally? |
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Nov 12, 2024 20:59:13 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 20:59:13 GMT
You can't actually be serious. Parliament are NOT condemning Israels actions more often than not, far from it. And even if they were (and they're not) it's far from ALL they can do. Spain and Italy currently have arms embargoes against Israel, there is absolutely zero reason why we cannot do the same. Oh accept that WE'RE in debt to the Israel lobby of course. Aren't Israel an ally? Are they a member of NATO? No. Does the influence of the Israel Lobby have a huge effect on US (particularly) and some other Western nations foreign policy? Yes. Is there a point that you're attempting to make? |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 12, 2024 21:21:16 GMT
Are they a member of NATO? No. Does the influence of the Israel Lobby have a huge effect on US (particularly) and some other Western nations foreign policy? Yes. Is there a point that you're attempting to make? They literally signed one of the most important Uk Millitary Alliance Agreements in December 2020. Most of the main details are classified. But to suggest they aren't a strategic ally (as much as you hate it) is absolute nonsense as usual. |
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Nov 12, 2024 21:27:32 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 21:27:32 GMT
Are they a member of NATO? No. Does the influence of the Israel Lobby have a huge effect on US (particularly) and some other Western nations foreign policy? Yes. Is there a point that you're attempting to make? They literally signed one of the most important Uk Millitary Alliance Agreements in December 2020. Most of the main details are classified. But to suggest they aren't a strategic ally (as much as you hate it) is absolute nonsense as usual. There you go again, making up stuff that people didn't say. 🤣 And do I hate the UK's and US's foreign policy on Israel? Damn right that I do! |
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Nov 12, 2024 21:40:55 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 21:40:55 GMT
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 12, 2024 22:51:23 GMT
They literally signed one of the most important Uk Millitary Alliance Agreements in December 2020. Most of the main details are classified. But to suggest they aren't a strategic ally (as much as you hate it) is absolute nonsense as usual. Spot on. I don’t know what sort of idiot would try to deny it mate. Israel is an ally of the UK with a long history of close diplomatic, economic, and security ties. As you’ve said, the UK and Israel have both recently signed agreements with each other to deepen their cooperation in areas such as technology, trade, and security not to mention a plethora of strategic partnerships on various global challenges and threats - such as the Roadmap for UK-Israel Bilateral Relations which was signed in March 2023 and the Military Alliance Agreements of December 2020 to formalise and enhance their military cooperation. Neither the UK (nor US, for that matter) are ever going to totally embargo or cut Israel off because Israel is a strategic ally in the region. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2024 22:57:56 GMT
They literally signed one of the most important Uk Millitary Alliance Agreements in December 2020. Most of the main details are classified. But to suggest they aren't a strategic ally (as much as you hate it) is absolute nonsense as usual. Spot on. I don’t know what sort of idiot would try to deny it mate. Israel is an ally of the UK with a long history of close diplomatic, economic, and security ties. As you’ve said, the UK and Israel have both recently signed agreements with each other to deepen their cooperation in areas such as technology, trade, and security not to mention a plethora of strategic partnerships on various global challenges and threats - such as the Roadmap for UK-Israel Bilateral Relations which was signed in March 2023 and the Military Alliance Agreements of December 2020 to formalise and enhance their military cooperation. Neither the UK (nor US, for that matter) are ever going to totally embargo or cut Israel off because Israel is a strategic ally in the region. Which is why both countries condone most of Israel’s actions It’s almost a proxy war v Iran. Iran pull the strings of hamas and hezbolla etc and have sent missiles to Israel. Israel can get away with what ever they want. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 12, 2024 23:00:57 GMT
Spot on. I don’t know what sort of idiot would try to deny it mate. Israel is an ally of the UK with a long history of close diplomatic, economic, and security ties. As you’ve said, the UK and Israel have both recently signed agreements with each other to deepen their cooperation in areas such as technology, trade, and security not to mention a plethora of strategic partnerships on various global challenges and threats - such as the Roadmap for UK-Israel Bilateral Relations which was signed in March 2023 and the Military Alliance Agreements of December 2020 to formalise and enhance their military cooperation. Neither the UK (nor US, for that matter) are ever going to totally embargo or cut Israel off because Israel is a strategic ally in the region. Which is why both countries condone most of Israel’s actions It’s almost a proxy war v Iran. Iran pull the strings of hamas and hezbolla etc and have sent missiles to Israel. Israel can get away with what ever they want. Absolutely. Doesn’t mean we agree with it - but that’s the why and wherefore of it. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2024 23:07:26 GMT
Which is why both countries condone most of Israel’s actions It’s almost a proxy war v Iran. Iran pull the strings of hamas and hezbolla etc and have sent missiles to Israel. Israel can get away with what ever they want. Absolutely. Doesn’t mean we agree with it - but that’s the why and wherefore of it. Maybe the end game is overthrowing the regime in Iran under the auspices of stabilising the area We know how that goes |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 12, 2024 23:25:22 GMT
Absolutely. Doesn’t mean we agree with it - but that’s the why and wherefore of it. Maybe the end game is overthrowing the regime in Iran under the auspices of stabilising the area We know how that goes Part of it is, but it’s also a combination of preventing nuclear proliferation to ensure Iran does not develop nuclear weapons; economic sanctions to cripple Iran's economy and force it to comply with international norms; and regional stability to counter Iran's influence in the Middle East, particularly its support for proxy groups in countries like Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon and Gaza. Regime change in Iran is a covert strategic goal so as to roll back Iranian power and influence - but that always has to be mitigated with checks and balances for Israel. That’s why the UK and US backed the Israeli-Saudi accords before the conflict that began on 7 October, 2023. There discussions about a potential agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia, backed by the US and UK, aimed to formalise ties between the two countries, building on the Abraham Accords, which normalised relations between Israel and several Arab states. The deal would have included security guarantees and deeper bilateral ties in exchange for Saudi Arabia recognising Israel. However, the Iran backed Hamas attack of 7th October 2023 and its aftermath complicated things, putting it mildly. Iran did everything it could to block Israel signing accords with Saudi Arabia and their Arab allies - and that was precisely what the attack of 7th October 2023 was all about. Iran needs to prolong the conflict to deter any Israeli-Saudi agreement. Netanyahu needs to prolong the conflict to stop his career ending and possible arrest. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 12, 2024 23:26:59 GMT
They literally signed one of the most important Uk Millitary Alliance Agreements in December 2020. Most of the main details are classified. But to suggest they aren't a strategic ally (as much as you hate it) is absolute nonsense as usual. Spot on. I don’t know what sort of idiot would try to deny it mate. Israel is an ally of the UK with a long history of close diplomatic, economic, and security ties. As you’ve said, the UK and Israel have both recently signed agreements with each other to deepen their cooperation in areas such as technology, trade, and security not to mention a plethora of strategic partnerships on various global challenges and threats - such as the Roadmap for UK-Israel Bilateral Relations which was signed in March 2023 and the Military Alliance Agreements of December 2020 to formalise and enhance their military cooperation. Neither the UK (nor US, for that matter) are ever going to totally embargo or cut Israel off because Israel is a strategic ally in the region. I think it's an open to question as to who is behaving like an idiot You are missing the point, as far as I'm concerned anyway. Under the so called Constitutional Monarchy System we allegedly elect a Constituency MP whom we delegate to make decisions on our behalf. The HEZUK Memorandum, and I'm sure many other, as you acknowledge is a secret Agreement of Military cooperation between UK and Israel which because it is classified very few will have sight of, never mind publicised If we wish to honestly dispense with this ridiculous notion that we have regained Sovereignty and live in a Democracy I could live with that. The reality is that we live in a Mushroom Society and the best conditions for growing Mushrooms is to keep them in the dark and feed them Bullshit. |
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Nov 12, 2024 23:43:47 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 23:43:47 GMT
Spot on. I don’t know what sort of idiot would try to deny it mate. Israel is an ally of the UK with a long history of close diplomatic, economic, and security ties. As you’ve said, the UK and Israel have both recently signed agreements with each other to deepen their cooperation in areas such as technology, trade, and security not to mention a plethora of strategic partnerships on various global challenges and threats - such as the Roadmap for UK-Israel Bilateral Relations which was signed in March 2023 and the Military Alliance Agreements of December 2020 to formalise and enhance their military cooperation. Neither the UK (nor US, for that matter) are ever going to totally embargo or cut Israel off because Israel is a strategic ally in the region. I think it's an open to question as to who is behaving like an idiot You are missing the point, as far as I'm concerned anyway. Under the so called Constitutional Monarchy System we allegedly elect a Constituency MP whom we delegate to make decisions on our behalf. The HEZUK Memorandum, and I'm sure many other, as you acknowledge is a secret Agreement of Military cooperation between UK and Israel which because it is classified very few will have sight of, never mind publicised If we wish to honestly dispense with this ridiculous notion that we have regained Sovereignty and live in a Democracy I could live with that. The reality is that we live in a Mushroom Society and the best conditions for growing Mushrooms is to keep them in the dark and feed them Bullshit. Phew ... a dose of realism. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2024 23:44:22 GMT
Spot on. I don’t know what sort of idiot would try to deny it mate. Israel is an ally of the UK with a long history of close diplomatic, economic, and security ties. As you’ve said, the UK and Israel have both recently signed agreements with each other to deepen their cooperation in areas such as technology, trade, and security not to mention a plethora of strategic partnerships on various global challenges and threats - such as the Roadmap for UK-Israel Bilateral Relations which was signed in March 2023 and the Military Alliance Agreements of December 2020 to formalise and enhance their military cooperation. Neither the UK (nor US, for that matter) are ever going to totally embargo or cut Israel off because Israel is a strategic ally in the region. Which is why both countries condone most of Israel’s actions It’s almost a proxy war v Iran. Iran pull the strings of hamas and hezbolla etc and have sent missiles to Israel. Israel can get away with what ever they want. Exactly. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 13, 2024 0:48:37 GMT
We should all be utterly alarmed at how a foreign state, can take over not only Western media around the world but also have the power to put huge pressure on numerous leaders of those countries, to be complicit in a narrative that is utterly false.
Apologies for repeating the same examples here that I've linked to over the last 48 hours but when they're presented concisely, all in one piece, it demonstrates, far louder, the (extremely sinister) problem facing us all ...
EDIT: You can see that Twitter doesn't want the truth to be shared above.
Link here:
EDIT 2: AAAhttps://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1856395863716942135
Obviously delete the AAA before copying and pasting
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