Israel

[Paul Spencer]

[Ariel Manto]

Oct 29, 2024 14:21:31 GMT Paul Spencer said:

I'll be honest, I spotted the bullshit so early I didn't feel a thing.

[Paul Spencer]

Oct 29, 2024 8:32:56 GMT CBUFAWKIPWH said:

Oct 28, 2024 22:02:24 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Then, with respect, I think you are being extremely nieve.

Indeed, I see absolutely zero evidence to support your belief.

Oh and FWIW, Israel can't 'eliminate Hamas'.

Israel creates new Hamas recruits everyday ...

EDIT: As you can see above, Musk is doing everything possible to ensure that the world doesn't get to see what is really happening on the ground.

If you care, please take a few seconds to scroll through this page, to understand that the elimination of Hamas using Israel's current strategy is completely for the birds ...

twitter.com/gazanotice

Am I being nieve or realistic?

The US is not going to fundamentally change its stance on Isreal regardless of who wins the Presedential election. If anything under Trump it will become more pro Isreal. Hoping for a solution based on the US fundamentally changing its stance on Isreal is futile. It won't happen.

If Hamas do not release the hostages, lay down their arms and engage in peace talks Isreal will systematically kill every Hamas fighter and, without any qualms whatsoever, rack up civilian casualties.

You may well be right in that the actions of Isreal is just recruiting more Hamas fighters but all that acheives is a continuation of the bloodshed. Hamas glorifies it's martyrs and Isreali troops just fulfil their death wish. Hamas is not going to beat Isreal by military means. You are right that for Hamas not to lose there would have to be a "leveling of the playing field". However that isn't going to happen. If Hamas continue to try to beat Isreal by military means they will be annihilated. And if as you suggest every Palestinian is recruited to Hamas and joins the fight that effectively means the genocide of the Palestinian people which Isreal will justify as self defence.

As far as I can see the only way out of this is for Hamas to lay down its arms and engage in peace talks. The US won't stop supporting Isreal but they will start putting pressure on Isreal to engage in a long term political solution and, I believe, would then consider sanctions against Isreal if they refuse to engage in implementing a two state solution. This would also trigger an international relief effort on Gaza and stop the slaughter. This seems preferable to me to continuing a war where the only possible losers are the Palestinian people.

I'm not 'hoping' that the US will change it's foreign policy, rather, I'm explaining that (imo) if it doesn't, then the carnage will continue, they are two very different things.

The outcome of the coming election is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

If you believe that to be a futile opinion, then I'm not going to argue with you, as the last 75 years have proven that the situation IS futile, try telling the Palestinian people that it isn't.

I believe I'm stating a fact, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. That doesn't mean I'm expecting to see a change or think that it's likely anytime soon but rather, I'm expressing an opinion that the reason the carnage can't ever end is because of this fact, regardless of anything else.

If Israel believes that it can act with impunity and that international law doesn't apply to them and it sees the Palestinians as second class citizens, then NOTHING is ever going to change.

Ordinarily, international law would stop rogue states acting in such a barbaric way but international law doesn't apply in Israel and the reason it doesn't apply in Israel, is because AMERICA has neutered the rule of international law there, with it's almighty powerful veto.

Please listen very carefully to what Gideon Levy says here, as it goes to the very heart of the Israeli mindset and demonstrates exactly why it is so important for Israel to be held to account, as he says, this might be the most important point of all ...

And if that core value that he talks about isn't challenged, then there is absolutely ZERO hope of ending this.

And why does America refuse to challenge that core value and why does America continuously protect Israel from UN sanctions? Because (as I demonstrated last night) it has been bought and is controlled by AIPAC and the Israel Lobby (2% of the American population is Jewish, 66% of Biden's cabinet is Jewish).

Levy is completely right, as long as Israel believes it can get away with doing whatever it damn well wants and international law doesn't apply to them, then Israel will continue to do whatever it damn well wants.

Hamas isn't expecting or attempting to 'beat Israel by military means', it is a resistance force attempting to not take the occupation lying down.

The slave uprisings of the early 19th century were extremely violent rebellions, where the call for all white men to be murdered was a prominent call of the rebels. However history has gone on to see and record those rebellions very differently to being the terrorists they were viewed as at the time. History is littered with numerous similar examples.

Netanyahu isn't interested in the return of the hostages, indeed it would make his assault on the Palestinian people much more difficult to wager.

However every Arab country in the world is prepared to guarantee Israel it's security, if it is realistically prepared to recognise Palestine defined by 1967 borders. Please listen (its very important) ...

But Israel isn't interested in coming to the table and the reason it isn't interested in coming to the table, is because A-M-E-R-I-C-A gives Israel permission to do just whatever it damn well wants.

[Paul Spencer]

Oct 29, 2024 14:35:52 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Oct 29, 2024 14:21:31 GMT Paul Spencer said:

I'll be honest, I spotted the bullshit so early I didn't feel a thing.

Oh of course, you did Ariel, indeed I'd have been desperately disappointed if you hadn't.

[Ariel Manto]

Oct 29, 2024 15:29:33 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Oct 29, 2024 14:35:52 GMT Ariel Manto said:

I'll be honest, I spotted the bullshit so early I didn't feel a thing.

Oh of course, you did Ariel, indeed I'd have been desperately disappointed if you hadn't.

[gawa]

Oct 28, 2024 20:42:47 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Oct 28, 2024 19:42:43 GMT gawa said:

Mate I use chat gpt alot and I can't help but feel your writing style at times seems similar.

At least reword the stuff a bit Great tool!

What on earth are you talking about?

You know exactly what I'm talking about 🤣.

Why does it always replace copied and pasted bold text with ** though either side?

[gawa]

This is rather embarrassing for Netanyahu.

Should probably stick to killing women and children if they aren't cut out to fight men.

[mickeythemaestro]

Oct 29, 2024 14:35:52 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Oct 29, 2024 14:21:31 GMT Paul Spencer said:

I'll be honest, I spotted the bullshit so early I didn't feel a thing.

To be fair Al Quaeda did kill 3,000 people in NY not all that long ago...

[Paul Spencer]

Oct 29, 2024 16:10:51 GMT gawa said:

This is rather embarrassing for Netanyahu.

Should probably stick to killing women and children if they aren't cut out to fight men.

Yup ...

[Ariel Manto]

Oct 29, 2024 15:42:29 GMT gawa said:

Oct 28, 2024 20:42:47 GMT Ariel Manto said:

What on earth are you talking about?

You know exactly what I'm talking about 🤣.

Why does it always replace copied and pasted bold text with ** though either side?

Not for the first time I haven’t got a clue what you’re banging on about.

Those asterisks are there because I fucking put them there to emphasise the point. 

Have you copyrighted the asterisk now?? 

[prestwichpotter]

Israel will always struggle in a ground war. Most of their troops are only used to terrorising women and children and making Tik Tok videos of themselves looting and damaging property in Gaza......

[wagsastokie]

Oct 29, 2024 14:35:52 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Oct 29, 2024 14:21:31 GMT Paul Spencer said:

I'll be honest, I spotted the bullshit so early I didn't feel a thing.

The fact you didn’t feel a thing about 2000 deaths many of them completely innocent

Sums you up quite well

[gawa]

If this was the other way round it would be breaking news about antisemitism.

[gawa]

Oct 29, 2024 16:45:16 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Oct 29, 2024 15:42:29 GMT gawa said:

You know exactly what I'm talking about 🤣.

Why does it always replace copied and pasted bold text with ** though either side?

Not for the first time I haven’t got a clue what you’re banging on about.

Those asterisks are there because I fucking put them there to emphasise the point. 

Have you copyrighted the asterisk now?? 

No worries pal. You keep pretending it's authentic 🤣.

[gawa]

Oct 29, 2024 16:32:04 GMT mickeythemaestro said:

Oct 29, 2024 14:35:52 GMT Ariel Manto said:

I'll be honest, I spotted the bullshit so early I didn't feel a thing.

To be fair Al Quaeda did kill 3,000 people in NY not all that long ago...

At least Al Qaeda don't attack Israel or Saudi Arabia though, our two biggest allies in the middle east. Plus tbf they've helped the US army fighting alongside them against the Houthis in Yemen in recent years.

Great bunch of lads

[Paul Spencer]

This is who they are ...

[gawa]

America should really just allow the 51st state to vote in the upcoming election. Probably the easiest way to get rid of Netanyahu

[Paul Spencer]

Oct 30, 2024 10:44:49 GMT gawa said:

America should really just allow the 51st state to vote in the upcoming election. Probably the easiest way to get rid of Netanyahu

I made reference to this in a post I made on Monday, here: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/8291861/thread

It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between that graph and the number of Palestinians slaughered over the last 12 months?

I rather suspect that there might be.

[Paul Spencer]

History is important ...

[Huddysleftfoot]

[Paul Spencer]

The former Prime Minister of Israel explains who the REAL enemy is ...

[Huddysleftfoot]

[Paul Spencer]

Another prominent Israeli having the balls to speak the truth, I trust he has decent life insurance in place for his family ...

[Paul Spencer]

[Paul Spencer]