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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2024 14:50:28 GMT
Israel isn't under any pressure whatsoever, as long as billions of dollars keep pouring into the country to enable the slaughter, whilst at the same time, the US also vetoes every single UN resolution placed upon it. It is literally allowed to act with complete impunity, that is why the situation has developed into such a terrible reality. OK. So the situation is hopeless. The Isreali's are armed to the teeth, committed to a policy of genocide and the Palestinians have absolutely no chance to fight them off and their supporters haven't the wherewithal to help them either. The only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. So where do we go from there? Absolutely the situation is hopeless and yes, the only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. And (as I've repeatedly said on here) absolutely NOTHING will change until US foreign policy changes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2024 14:52:56 GMT
OK. So the situation is hopeless. The Isreali's are armed to the teeth, committed to a policy of genocide and the Palestinians have absolutely no chance to fight them off and their supporters haven't the wherewithal to help them either. The only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. So where do we go from there? From your explanation, presumably the whole geographical area (Israel + Gaza + West Bank) is subsumed and becomes "Israel". Displaced Arabs move to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt with a small minority remaining inside the province. Not exactly conventional statecraft, is it?! 🫥🤷 Benjamin Netanyahu likes this post. 👌
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 23, 2024 14:56:09 GMT
From your explanation, presumably the whole geographical area (Israel + Gaza + West Bank) is subsumed and becomes "Israel". Displaced Arabs move to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt with a small minority remaining inside the province. Not exactly conventional statecraft, is it?! 🫥🤷 Benjamin Netanyahu likes this post. 👌 I bet he bloody does. Getting rid of hostile state actors across the board (including Netanyahu) is the first thing that needs to happen - not the last.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Oct 23, 2024 16:02:25 GMT
Benjamin Netanyahu likes this post. 👌 I bet he bloody does. Getting rid of hostile state actors across the board (including Netanyahu) is the first thing that needs to happen - not the last. If you got rid of hostile actors most of the region would be empty save for some liberals in tel Aviv and the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan
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Post by Davef on Oct 23, 2024 19:57:38 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 24, 2024 6:45:00 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 24, 2024 6:59:25 GMT
You haven't even watched the video gawa posted in which the IDF spokesman stated that the gold and money was underneath the hospital and that the bunker it could only be accessed from buildings adjacent to the hospital. The Lebanese journalist said that he attempted to gain access to those entrances and was stopped by armed men. The BBC journalists won't find anything in the hospital basement and if they'd have paid attention to what the IDF had said then they wouldn't even have attempted to gain access to it via the hospital entrance.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 24, 2024 8:11:39 GMT
OK. So the situation is hopeless. The Isreali's are armed to the teeth, committed to a policy of genocide and the Palestinians have absolutely no chance to fight them off and their supporters haven't the wherewithal to help them either. The only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. So where do we go from there? Absolutely the situation is hopeless and yes, the only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. And (as I've repeatedly said on here) absolutely NOTHING will change until US foreign policy changes. In terms of supporting Isreal's right to exist I don't think US foreign policy is going to change. However I think we have a different take on what this means in practice. The US will provide arms to Isteal to counter organisations committed to eradicating the state of Isreal - which includes Hamas, Hezbollah and the regime in Iran. However I don't believe the US supports any attempts at genocide or the wholesale requisition of Palestinian land. I believe the US are committed to establishing a Palestinian state. The US position is inherently ambiguous - at its core it supports Isreal's right to exist and this is what comes over in the public domain but at the same time behind the scenes it is trying to moderate the actions of the Isreali government and get them to engage in an end game that includes the recognition of a Palestinian state. I might be wrong but that is what I believe is going on which is why I'm less despairing of the situation than you are. I think you see the US as fully supporting the extremists in the Isreali government who want to commit genocide and requisition Palestinian land. If that were indeed the case then there is no hope for the Palestinian people because the US hasn't shown any sign of changing its foreign policy. As I don't share your take on US foreign policy I am not so despairing. If I did I would indeed see the situation as utterly hopeless.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 24, 2024 8:21:55 GMT
You haven't even watched the video gawa posted in which the IDF spokesman stated that the gold and money was underneath the hospital and that the bunker it could only be accessed from buildings adjacent to the hospital. The Lebanese journalist said that he attempted to gain access to those entrances and was stopped by armed men. The BBC journalists won't find anything in the hospital basement and if they'd have paid attention to what the IDF had said then they wouldn't even have attempted to gain access to it via the hospital entrance. The IDF are full of shit Dave, always have been and always will be. Getting to the truth is difficult when international journalists are banned from war zones but the handful that are their whilst not always getting things right are a far more reliable source of evidence……
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 24, 2024 8:25:28 GMT
Absolutely the situation is hopeless and yes, the only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. And (as I've repeatedly said on here) absolutely NOTHING will change until US foreign policy changes. In terms of supporting Isreal's right to exist I don't think US foreign policy is going to change. However I think we have a different take on what this means in practice. The US will provide arms to Isteal to counter organisations committed to eradicating the state of Isreal - which includes Hamas, Hezbollah and the regime in Iran. However I don't believe the US supports any attempts at genocide or the wholesale requisition of Palestinian land. I believe the US are committed to establishing a Palestinian state. The US position is inherently ambiguous - at its core it supports Isreal's right to exist and this is what comes over in the public domain but at the same time behind the scenes it is trying to moderate the actions of the Isreali government and get them to engage in an end game that includes the recognition of a Palestinian state. I might be wrong but that is what I believe is going on which is why I'm less despairing of the situation than you are. I think you see the US as fully supporting the extremists in the Isreali government who want to commit genocide and requisition Palestinian land. If that were indeed the case then there is no hope for the Palestinian people because the US hasn't shown any sign of changing its foreign policy. As I don't share your take on US foreign policy I am not so despairing. If I did I would indeed see the situation as utterly hopeless. “Please moderate your use of weapons on civilians thousands are being killed” “Yes of course we will send you those weapons” Talk is cheap from the USA when it comes to the current situation..……
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Post by gawa on Oct 24, 2024 8:44:15 GMT
Very brave to post this online. I hope she still doesn't live in Israel as I'd worry for her safety
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Oct 24, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 24, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
You haven't even watched the video gawa posted in which the IDF spokesman stated that the gold and money was underneath the hospital and that the bunker it could only be accessed from buildings adjacent to the hospital. The Lebanese journalist said that he attempted to gain access to those entrances and was stopped by armed men. The BBC journalists won't find anything in the hospital basement and if they'd have paid attention to what the IDF had said then they wouldn't even have attempted to gain access to it via the hospital entrance. The IDF are full of shit Dave, always have been and always will be. Getting to the truth is difficult when international journalists are banned from war zones but the handful that are their whilst not always getting things right are a far more reliable source of evidence…… The point is not whether or not IDF are full of shit. They have released a statement stating that gold and money is horded by Hezbollah underneath a hospital which can only be accessed by adjacent buildings. The Lebanese journalist (who may also be full of shit) claims that he attempted to gain access to those buildings but was met with armed guards. The BBC - who are definitely full shit - decided to go straight into the hospital's main entrance, wander around the basement and then report that they couldn't find anything.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 24, 2024 9:23:25 GMT
Very brave to post this online. I hope she still doesn't live in Israel as I'd worry for her safety When they say ‘abroad’, do they mean The West Bank or Golan Heights?
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Post by gawa on Oct 24, 2024 9:38:33 GMT
Very brave to post this online. I hope she still doesn't live in Israel as I'd worry for her safety When they say ‘abroad’, do they mean The West Bank or Golan Heights? Naughty 🤣. I thought California.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2024 10:46:37 GMT
Absolutely the situation is hopeless and yes, the only possible outcome is the mass slaughter of the Palestinians and the seizure of their lands. And (as I've repeatedly said on here) absolutely NOTHING will change until US foreign policy changes. In terms of supporting Isreal's right to exist I don't think US foreign policy is going to change. However I think we have a different take on what this means in practice. The US will provide arms to Isteal to counter organisations committed to eradicating the state of Isreal - which includes Hamas, Hezbollah and the regime in Iran. However I don't believe the US supports any attempts at genocide or the wholesale requisition of Palestinian land. I believe the US are committed to establishing a Palestinian state. The US position is inherently ambiguous - at its core it supports Isreal's right to exist and this is what comes over in the public domain but at the same time behind the scenes it is trying to moderate the actions of the Isreali government and get them to engage in an end game that includes the recognition of a Palestinian state. I might be wrong but that is what I believe is going on which is why I'm less despairing of the situation than you are. I think you see the US as fully supporting the extremists in the Isreali government who want to commit genocide and requisition Palestinian land. If that were indeed the case then there is no hope for the Palestinian people because the US hasn't shown any sign of changing its foreign policy. As I don't share your take on US foreign policy I am not so despairing. If I did I would indeed see the situation as utterly hopeless. You can 'believe' all you like but let's judge US foreign policy by it's actual actions instead ... From 2015 to 2022 (so obviously prior to October 7th) the UN issued 208 resolutions against countries around the world. 140 we're against Israel itself and 68 were against all the other countries COMBINED. The US vetoed every single one of those resolutions against Israel. That isn't a position of 'ambiguity', is it? The US has allowed and is currently allowing Israel to act with impunity, as it uses US made bombs to kill 10,000's of civilians in it's pursuit of ethnic cleansing large swathes of Palestine, when alternatively, many Western leaders are calling for an arms embargo on Israel, whilst the President of the United States proclaims to the world that he is a proud Zionist.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 24, 2024 11:13:17 GMT
In terms of supporting Isreal's right to exist I don't think US foreign policy is going to change. However I think we have a different take on what this means in practice. The US will provide arms to Isteal to counter organisations committed to eradicating the state of Isreal - which includes Hamas, Hezbollah and the regime in Iran. However I don't believe the US supports any attempts at genocide or the wholesale requisition of Palestinian land. I believe the US are committed to establishing a Palestinian state. The US position is inherently ambiguous - at its core it supports Isreal's right to exist and this is what comes over in the public domain but at the same time behind the scenes it is trying to moderate the actions of the Isreali government and get them to engage in an end game that includes the recognition of a Palestinian state. I might be wrong but that is what I believe is going on which is why I'm less despairing of the situation than you are. I think you see the US as fully supporting the extremists in the Isreali government who want to commit genocide and requisition Palestinian land. If that were indeed the case then there is no hope for the Palestinian people because the US hasn't shown any sign of changing its foreign policy. As I don't share your take on US foreign policy I am not so despairing. If I did I would indeed see the situation as utterly hopeless. You can 'believe' all you like but let's judge US foreign policy by it's actual actions instead ... From 2015 to 2022 (so obviously prior to October 7th) the UN issued 208 resolutions against countries around the world. 140 we're against Israel itself and 68 were against all the other countries COMBINED. The US vetoed every single one of those resolutions against Israel. That isn't a position of 'ambiguity', is it? The US has allowed and is currently allowing Israel to act with impunity, as it uses US made bombs to kill 10,000's of civilians in it's pursuit of ethnic cleansing large swathes of Palestine, when alternatively, many Western leaders are calling for an arms embargo on Israel, whilst the President of the United States proclaims to the world that he is a proud Zionist. Do Hamas rockets and hostages count as a veto?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2024 11:18:02 GMT
The IDF are full of shit Dave, always have been and always will be. Getting to the truth is difficult when international journalists are banned from war zones but the handful that are their whilst not always getting things right are a far more reliable source of evidence…… The point is not whether or not IDF are full of shit. They have released a statement stating that gold and money is horded by Hezbollah underneath a hospital which can only be accessed by adjacent buildings. The Lebanese journalist (who may also be full of shit) claims that he attempted to gain access to those buildings but was met with armed guards. The BBC - who are definitely full shit - decided to go straight into the hospital's main entrance, wander around the basement and then report that they couldn't find anything. You've got to admit though that this journo must be a bit shit at his job. The BBC and Sky walk all around the hospital with their cameras filming and yet this reporter gets the scoop on where the gold REALLY is and discovers an iron vault door protected by men with guns and he doesn't have the wherewithal to even take a single photograph of it ...
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Oct 24, 2024 11:19:17 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2024 11:19:17 GMT
You can 'believe' all you like but let's judge US foreign policy by it's actual actions instead ... From 2015 to 2022 (so obviously prior to October 7th) the UN issued 208 resolutions against countries around the world. 140 we're against Israel itself and 68 were against all the other countries COMBINED. The US vetoed every single one of those resolutions against Israel. That isn't a position of 'ambiguity', is it? The US has allowed and is currently allowing Israel to act with impunity, as it uses US made bombs to kill 10,000's of civilians in it's pursuit of ethnic cleansing large swathes of Palestine, when alternatively, many Western leaders are calling for an arms embargo on Israel, whilst the President of the United States proclaims to the world that he is a proud Zionist. Do Hamas rockets and hostages count as a veto? We were having a specific conversation about American foreign policy ...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 24, 2024 11:30:12 GMT
In terms of supporting Isreal's right to exist I don't think US foreign policy is going to change. However I think we have a different take on what this means in practice. The US will provide arms to Isteal to counter organisations committed to eradicating the state of Isreal - which includes Hamas, Hezbollah and the regime in Iran. However I don't believe the US supports any attempts at genocide or the wholesale requisition of Palestinian land. I believe the US are committed to establishing a Palestinian state. The US position is inherently ambiguous - at its core it supports Isreal's right to exist and this is what comes over in the public domain but at the same time behind the scenes it is trying to moderate the actions of the Isreali government and get them to engage in an end game that includes the recognition of a Palestinian state. I might be wrong but that is what I believe is going on which is why I'm less despairing of the situation than you are. I think you see the US as fully supporting the extremists in the Isreali government who want to commit genocide and requisition Palestinian land. If that were indeed the case then there is no hope for the Palestinian people because the US hasn't shown any sign of changing its foreign policy. As I don't share your take on US foreign policy I am not so despairing. If I did I would indeed see the situation as utterly hopeless. You can 'believe' all you like but let's judge US foreign policy by it's actual actions instead ... From 2015 to 2022 (so obviously prior to October 7th) the UN issued 208 resolutions against countries around the world. 140 we're against Israel itself and 68 were against all the other countries COMBINED. The US vetoed every single one of those resolutions against Israel. That isn't a position of 'ambiguity', is it? The US has allowed and is currently allowing Israel to act with impunity, as it uses US made bombs to kill 10,000's of civilians in it's pursuit of ethnic cleansing large swathes of Palestine, when alternatively, many Western leaders are calling for an arms embargo on Israel, whilst the President of the United States proclaims to the world that he is a proud Zionist. Well yes I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. If what you believe is true there is no hope for the Palestinians - they have the largest industrial and military complex fully backing a policy of genocide and are arming the Isrealis knowing full well that is the intended outcome. If you are right the Palestinians are going to get annihilated. The situation is literally hopeless.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2024 11:42:55 GMT
You can 'believe' all you like but let's judge US foreign policy by it's actual actions instead ... From 2015 to 2022 (so obviously prior to October 7th) the UN issued 208 resolutions against countries around the world. 140 we're against Israel itself and 68 were against all the other countries COMBINED. The US vetoed every single one of those resolutions against Israel. That isn't a position of 'ambiguity', is it? The US has allowed and is currently allowing Israel to act with impunity, as it uses US made bombs to kill 10,000's of civilians in it's pursuit of ethnic cleansing large swathes of Palestine, when alternatively, many Western leaders are calling for an arms embargo on Israel, whilst the President of the United States proclaims to the world that he is a proud Zionist. Well yes I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. If what you believe is true there is no hope for the Palestinians - they have the largest industrial and military complex fully backing a policy of genocide and are arming the Isrealis knowing full well that is the intended outcome. If you are right the Palestinians are going to get annihilated. The situation is literally hopeless. That is why we have to hope that Western citizens around the world continue to rise up and put pressure on THEIR government's and continue to say 'not in my name'. In the last 12 months, we have seen significant shifts from the government's of Spain, Italy, France, Norway and Ireland amongst others and we need this momentum to continue. As I've said before, originally Reagan and Thatcher were totally opposed to placing sanctions on South Africa but ultimately, they were shamed into falling in line with the rest of the world. We are at similar juncture in history now, although I accept the Israel lobby around the world, is far stronger now than it's ever been. Netanyahu had said on Europe 1 radio on Wednesday: “It is a war of civilisations against barbarism; we are at the forefront of this war and France must support Israel.” In words directed at Netanyahu, with whom his relationship has deteriorated badly, he said: “We have been talking a lot in recent days about a war of civilisations or about civilisations that must be defended. I am not sure that we defend a civilisation by sowing barbarism ourselves.”
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Post by Davef on Oct 24, 2024 11:51:35 GMT
The point is not whether or not IDF are full of shit. They have released a statement stating that gold and money is horded by Hezbollah underneath a hospital which can only be accessed by adjacent buildings. The Lebanese journalist (who may also be full of shit) claims that he attempted to gain access to those buildings but was met with armed guards. The BBC - who are definitely full shit - decided to go straight into the hospital's main entrance, wander around the basement and then report that they couldn't find anything. You've got to admit though that this journo must be a bit shit at his job. The BBC and Sky walk all around the hospital with their cameras filming and yet this reporter gets the scoop on where the gold REALLY is and discovers an iron vault door protected by men with guns and he doesn't have the wherewithal to even take a single photograph of it ... Maybe he didn't fancy chancing his luck when confronted by armed terrorists, or maybe, like I did say, he's full of shit. That doesn't explain why the BBC and Sky thought they could find anything in the hospital itself when the IDF statement implicitly said that it was beneath the hospital and access couldn't be gained via the hospital.
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Post by gawa on Oct 24, 2024 11:53:03 GMT
Well yes I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. If what you believe is true there is no hope for the Palestinians - they have the largest industrial and military complex fully backing a policy of genocide and are arming the Isrealis knowing full well that is the intended outcome. If you are right the Palestinians are going to get annihilated. The situation is literally hopeless. That is why we have to hope that Western populations around the world continue to rise up and put pressure on THEIR government's and continue to say 'not in my name'. In the last 12 months, we have seen significant shifts from the government's of Spain, Italy, France, Norway and Ireland amongst others and we need this momentum to continue. As I've said before, originally Reagan and Thatcher were totally opposed to placing sanctions on South Africa but ultimately, they were shamed into falling behind the rest of the world. We are at similar juncture in history now, although I accept the Israel lobby around the world, is far stronger now than it's ever been. BRICS countries have met this week and spoken about whats happened in Gaza as well as the complicity of the UN and the ICJ. I wonder if we may see increased pressure from them towards the west off the back of this conference. The group is quite some size now and if they stay united they may even have the ability to put economic pressure on us for once.
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Post by gawa on Oct 24, 2024 12:13:13 GMT
You've got to admit though that this journo must be a bit shit at his job. The BBC and Sky walk all around the hospital with their cameras filming and yet this reporter gets the scoop on where the gold REALLY is and discovers an iron vault door protected by men with guns and he doesn't have the wherewithal to even take a single photograph of it ... Maybe he didn't fancy chancing his luck when confronted by armed terrorists, or maybe, like I did say, he's full of shit. That doesn't explain why the BBC and Sky thought they could find anything in the hospital itself when the IDF statement implicitly said that it was beneath the hospital and access couldn't be gained via the hospital. To be fair Dave I remember when the IDF told us about the hamas headquarters and command centre under Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza. And then they bombed it to shit, killed lots more women and children and kept most of the hospital staff prisoners while they tortured and even killed some. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz47w24dld0oAnd then for some reason the director of the hospital who knew all about the "hamas headquarters" was released 7 months later despite being complicit I presume? I'm yet to see the videos of these headquarters. Have you got any? It must be pretty lavish and filled with lots of gold like the ones under the Lebanon hospital? Or was it that the hospital did have a "tunnel" which was a secure underground operating room... built by Israel in 1983: "In 1983, the Israelis built "a secure underground operating room and tunnel network" beneath Building 2 of the hospital" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospitalI'm surprised by you Dave as you're usually a keen fact checker but it seems you're just taking this person's word for it. Should Israel flatten another hospital and murder more women and kids just incase? It's like a game of deal or no deal. Command centre or no command centre. Where Israel bombs hospitals and surprise surprise innocent people die and no command centres get found. We've had command centres in Al-Shifa hospital, Al-Quds, Indonesian hospital all with command centres. So sure why not 4th time lucky and bomb a few more kids in Sahel hospital. Because its not as if the IDF have any history for lying. We've all seen the command centres from the previous 3 hospitals and how bombing those hospitals got rid of hamas and brought peace. So why not do hospital number 4 in while we are at it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 24, 2024 12:33:22 GMT
Maybe he didn't fancy chancing his luck when confronted by armed terrorists, or maybe, like I did say, he's full of shit. That doesn't explain why the BBC and Sky thought they could find anything in the hospital itself when the IDF statement implicitly said that it was beneath the hospital and access couldn't be gained via the hospital. To be fair Dave I remember when the IDF told us about the hamas headquarters and command centre under Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza. And then they bombed it to shit, killed lots more women and children and kept most of the hospital staff prisoners while they tortured and even killed some. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz47w24dld0oAnd then for some reason the director of the hospital who knew all about the "hamas headquarters" was released 7 months later despite being complicit I presume? I'm yet to see the videos of these headquarters. Have you got any? It must be pretty lavish and filled with lots of gold like the ones under the Lebanon hospital? Or was it that the hospital did have a "tunnel" which was a secure underground operating room... built by Israel in 1983: "In 1983, the Israelis built "a secure underground operating room and tunnel network" beneath Building 2 of the hospital" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospitalI'm surprised by you Dave as you're usually a keen fact checker but it seems you're just taking this person's word for it. Should Israel flatten another hospital and murder more women and kids just incase? It's like a game of deal or no deal. Command centre or no command centre. Where Israel bombs hospitals and surprise surprise innocent people die and no command centres get found. We've had command centres in Al-Shifa hospital, Al-Quds, Indonesian hospital all with command centres. So sure why not 4th time lucky and bomb a few more kids in Sahel hospital. Because its not as if the IDF have any history for lying. We've all seen the command centres from the previous 3 hospitals and how bombing those hospitals got rid of hamas and brought peace. So why not do hospital number 4 in while we are at it. Hamas have a sophisticated network of tunnels with training centres and sleeping quarters yet I’ve still only seen a couple of minutes footage of one small tunnel with a few bunk beds and a kitchenette in it. Plenty of animated footage from Israel though, source “trust me ‘bro”
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Post by gawa on Oct 24, 2024 12:48:21 GMT
To be fair Dave I remember when the IDF told us about the hamas headquarters and command centre under Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza. And then they bombed it to shit, killed lots more women and children and kept most of the hospital staff prisoners while they tortured and even killed some. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz47w24dld0oAnd then for some reason the director of the hospital who knew all about the "hamas headquarters" was released 7 months later despite being complicit I presume? I'm yet to see the videos of these headquarters. Have you got any? It must be pretty lavish and filled with lots of gold like the ones under the Lebanon hospital? Or was it that the hospital did have a "tunnel" which was a secure underground operating room... built by Israel in 1983: "In 1983, the Israelis built "a secure underground operating room and tunnel network" beneath Building 2 of the hospital" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospitalI'm surprised by you Dave as you're usually a keen fact checker but it seems you're just taking this person's word for it. Should Israel flatten another hospital and murder more women and kids just incase? It's like a game of deal or no deal. Command centre or no command centre. Where Israel bombs hospitals and surprise surprise innocent people die and no command centres get found. We've had command centres in Al-Shifa hospital, Al-Quds, Indonesian hospital all with command centres. So sure why not 4th time lucky and bomb a few more kids in Sahel hospital. Because its not as if the IDF have any history for lying. We've all seen the command centres from the previous 3 hospitals and how bombing those hospitals got rid of hamas and brought peace. So why not do hospital number 4 in while we are at it. Hamas have a sophisticated network of tunnels with training centres and sleeping quarters yet I’ve still only seen a couple of minutes footage of one small tunnel with a few bunk beds and a kitchenette in it. Plenty of animated footage from Israel though, source “trust me ‘bro” To be fair mate every kitchen has a missile and every garage has a rocket in it. Along with every school and hospital too. So Israel just has to bomb everything again because everyone is a human shield. It's true because Netanyahu said it himself
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2024 14:42:59 GMT
Now I'm not sure that IS what she was implying but nevertheless, that is an utter piece of fucking shit answer to such a serious question, regardless of what she actually meant (and I'm damned if I know).
Terrifyingly thick as mince.
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 24, 2024 14:57:20 GMT
Now I'm not sure that IS what she was implying but nevertheless, that is an utter piece of fucking shit answer to such a serious question, regardless of what she actually meant (and I'm damned if I know). Terrifyingly thick as mince. Personally, I think the only thing she is guilty of there is unskilfully sidestepping an important question. Really disingenuous tweet imo. There was nothing clear or succinct about her answer at all. I do wonder if the host pressed her or challenged her to go back and corroborate her waffle, and the poster cut it out. A shame if not.
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