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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 20, 2024 8:47:09 GMT
Well yes? If all Hamas fighters were in a field together fair enough, but they weren't. They were in markets, towns, places of worship, hospitals etc. Like another poster mentioned, they could have potentially been on planes and trains. Surely innocent people don't deserve to be killed as collateral damage, or do you condone children being killed on the off chance a Hamas fighter is also killed? The IRA are deemed a terrorist organisation, so would you be happy for mobile phones to be exploding all over Ireland? I understand; but my question was is it 1. a war crime or 2. an act of terror to attack the communications network of a cited terrorist organisation? You answered your own question I think. In the eyes of around 15% of the countries of the world who designate Hezbollah as terrorists it was a legitimate act, and for the other 85% it was a potential war crime.....
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Israel
Sept 20, 2024 9:08:02 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 20, 2024 9:08:02 GMT
I understand; but my question was is it 1. a war crime or 2. an act of terror to attack the communications network of a cited terrorist organisation? You answered your own question I think. In the eyes of around 15% of the countries of the world who designate Hezbollah as terrorists it was a legitimate act, and for the other 85% it was a potential war crime..... Glad you picked up on the nuance of the question. It's never black and white and is always a matter of perception. One individual's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. - For Israeli's in northern Israel being subjected to Iranian funded rocket and sniper attacks from Hezbollah, and Israeli families being subjected to Hamas' acts of recent months, both Israeli actions against both Hezbollah and Hamas are legitimate acts of war.
- For Israeli's against Netanyahu, the Israeli actions against Hezbollah and Hamas would be a war crime.
- To innocent Lebanese people caught in the Israeli attack against Hezbollah the Israeli actions are a terrorist act.
- To Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is an occupying state, and therefore any retribution metered out by Hamas is a legitimate act of war.
It's not a simple numbers game, either. The idea that 15% vs 85% of nation states thinking one way or another has any sway is largely misdirected. As we all know, diplomatically some voices are always louder and have more influence than others - none more so in that region than the USA (incl EU, NATO, & Australia) and Iran (incl China(questionable), Russia(questionable), Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Gaza).
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Post by gawa on Sept 20, 2024 9:16:39 GMT
Israel looking to top the charts on killing the most Israelis, Lebanese and Palestines in a 12 month period.
Some going that.
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Israel
Sept 20, 2024 9:27:16 GMT
Post by beats88 on Sept 20, 2024 9:27:16 GMT
I understand; but my question was is it 1. a war crime or 2. an act of terror to attack the communications network of a cited terrorist organisation? You answered your own question I think. In the eyes of around 15% of the countries of the world who designate Hezbollah as terrorists it was a legitimate act, and for the other 85% it was a potential war crime..... But surely even if you are one of the 15% of countries who designate them a terrorist organisation, it doesn't make it a legitimate act? I think it shows how a persons skin colour effects decisions. Going back to the IRA. They are/were a designated terrorist organisation, so in the same position people wouldn't accept pagers being blown up in Belfast shopping centres. When innocent men women & children are killed, legitimacy goes out the window regardless of who's side you are on.
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Israel
Sept 20, 2024 9:29:52 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 20, 2024 9:29:52 GMT
You answered your own question I think. In the eyes of around 15% of the countries of the world who designate Hezbollah as terrorists it was a legitimate act, and for the other 85% it was a potential war crime..... But surely even if you are one of the 15% of countries who designate them a terrorist organisation, it doesn't make it a legitimate act? I think it shows how a persons skin colour effects decisions. Going back to the IRA. They are/were a designated terrorist organisation, so in the same position people wouldn't accept pagers being blown up in Belfast shopping centres. When innocent men women & children are killed, legitimacy goes out the window regardless of who's side you are on. That's a very reasonable and neutral position to take; albeit that legitimacy goes out of the window when actors start citing innocent people as collateral damage, which is historically something that all parties engaged in terrorism and warfare do.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 20, 2024 9:35:12 GMT
You answered your own question I think. In the eyes of around 15% of the countries of the world who designate Hezbollah as terrorists it was a legitimate act, and for the other 85% it was a potential war crime..... But surely even if you are one of the 15% of countries who designate them a terrorist organisation, it doesn't make it a legitimate act? I think it shows how a persons skin colour effects decisions. Going back to the IRA. They are/were a designated terrorist organisation, so in the same position people wouldn't accept pagers being blown up in Belfast shopping centres. When innocent men women & children are killed, legitimacy goes out the window regardless of who's side you are on. I agree, and you could use the same argument around October 7th. If The IRA had crossed into Protestant territory and slaughtered hundreds of troops/civilians in a surprise attack, and our retaliation was to bomb Catholic areas of the country to the ground using the justification that the local population were harbouring terrorists would that be acceptable to most people?
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Israel
Sept 20, 2024 11:06:53 GMT
via mobile
Post by gawa on Sept 20, 2024 11:06:53 GMT
I wonder how these attacks will affect Israels tech sector.
It really does make you question what we're told by the media.
TikTok, Telegram and Huawei are apparently the enemy. Yet Israel who is heavily involved in technology are putting bombs in phones and blowing them up remotely.
I can see alot of countries looking to avoid any technology Israel is involved with moving forward, and you can't blame them.
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