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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 8, 2024 18:57:15 GMT
So are you suggesting we shouldn't have suspended sales to Israel then, or that we were right to do so? I am not itk about secret agreements between the UK and Israel governments who may have agreed things behind closed doors. But if Starmer's action risks the defence of the UK it is wrong to suspend arms sales to Israel, on whom we are more dependant than Israel is on the UK. UK defence is #1 priority. But its more likely they had a quiet word about having to make a gesture. www.bicom.org.uk/analysis/understanding-israel-uk-weapons-trade/The whole situation is very much more complicated than the public are aware of; none of us know what is said between governments. Maybe Saudi Arabia have demanded a token gesture from Starmer as we sell 24 times more arms to them than Israel. The UK is currently seeking a trade deal with the Gulf states who may want the UK to take some action. Diplomacy is a complicated and dirty business. As Claude Rains said in "Lawrence of Arabia": " Frankly, I wish I'd stayed in Tunbridge Wells."So the answer to every question where you’re not actually privy to the conversation is “it’s complicated” That’s fine, but it renders quite a few topics on here null and void though….
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 8, 2024 19:05:34 GMT
"But if Starmer's action risks the defence of the UK it is wrong to suspend arms sales to Israel"
If the US has said the UK is fine to reduce arms sales to Israel.....where is this mythical risk to the UK's defence coming from?
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 8, 2024 19:08:09 GMT
I know it was a long time ago, but Israel's actions in the Falklands war make it difficult for me to see them as a trusted ally.
There are many opinions on who is acting badly in the middle east, some of these I am suspicious of, however I tend to think that the views of independent legal bodies like the ICJ probably tell more of the truth of the situation than others.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 8, 2024 19:16:18 GMT
I know it was a long time ago, but Israel's actions in the Falklands war make it difficult for me to see them as a trusted ally. There are many opinions on who is acting badly in the middle east, some of these I am suspicious of, however I tend to think that the views of independent legal bodies like the ICJ probably tell more of the truth of the situation than others. "In view of the humanitarian disaster in Gaza over the past one hundred and nine days, Judge Xue expresses her deep concern over the humanitarian situation in Gaza. She considers that, as a result of the Israeli military actions, the very existence of the Palestinian people in Gaza is at stake, which challenges the most elementary principles of humanity and morality."(International Court of Justice Summary Order: Jan 24 - www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-sum-01-00-en.pdf)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 8, 2024 19:25:15 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 8, 2024 19:34:46 GMT
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Post by gawa on Sept 9, 2024 12:44:36 GMT
Seen this released over these last few days. Maybe a good reason for us to now make an "Israel 2" thread with that as the OP. That will allow others the opportunity to present their opinions on 28 apache helicopters murdering it's own citizens. Not sure if the terrorist sympathisers would he comfortable with openly airing such views given that many consider that "self defence".
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 9, 2024 16:47:59 GMT
This footage was taken BEFORE October 7th ...
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Sept 10, 2024 15:29:35 GMT
Post by gawa on Sept 10, 2024 15:29:35 GMT
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Israel
Sept 13, 2024 15:01:59 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 13, 2024 15:01:59 GMT
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Sept 13, 2024 15:39:05 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 13, 2024 15:39:05 GMT
Interesting stuff, thanks for posting.....
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Sept 13, 2024 16:43:27 GMT
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 13, 2024 16:43:27 GMT
The lex Fridman video with Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris is also worth a watch on YouTube
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Sept 13, 2024 16:58:54 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 13, 2024 16:58:54 GMT
The lex Fridman video with Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris is also worth a watch on YouTube Yeah it's really good.....
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Sept 13, 2024 17:09:40 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Sept 13, 2024 17:09:40 GMT
I know it was a long time ago, but Israel's actions in the Falklands war make it difficult for me to see them as a trusted ally. There are many opinions on who is acting badly in the middle east, some of these I am suspicious of, however I tend to think that the views of independent legal bodies like the ICJ probably tell more of the truth of the situation than others. ?? I have obviously forgotten this about the Falklands.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 13, 2024 18:26:37 GMT
I know it was a long time ago, but Israel's actions in the Falklands war make it difficult for me to see them as a trusted ally. There are many opinions on who is acting badly in the middle east, some of these I am suspicious of, however I tend to think that the views of independent legal bodies like the ICJ probably tell more of the truth of the situation than others. ?? I have obviously forgotten this about the Falklands. They were shipping weapons, radar and large capacity fuel tanks to Peru for Argentina to use during the Falklands conflict......
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Post by Veritas on Sept 13, 2024 22:04:04 GMT
?? I have obviously forgotten this about the Falklands. They were shipping weapons, radar and large capacity fuel tanks to Peru for Argentina to use during the Falklands conflict...... Thanks, I had completely forgotten that and I took a great interest in the conflict at the time.
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Sept 14, 2024 13:36:06 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 14, 2024 13:36:06 GMT
The New Government Year 2024/2025 in Sweden started this week.
The Prime Minister said during his speech "Sweden will support the nation Israel 100% by all means against the terrorism they are a target for, for a long time now, from Hamas, Hizbollah and the nations around them. Sweden will never accept the antisemitism they experience. They must have the right to defend themselves."
Personally, I hope for peace.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 14, 2024 20:23:34 GMT
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Post by gawa on Sept 15, 2024 15:03:49 GMT
Not the only stories they've fabricated in recent years.
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Sept 15, 2024 16:37:37 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 15, 2024 16:37:37 GMT
Not the only stories they've fabricated in recent years.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 15, 2024 17:35:08 GMT
One of the biggest McCarthyite scandals in modern history. The Jewish Chronicle is a shit rag and it will be a good day for everyone when it finally runs out of money.
There was no Labour antisemitism crisis, and all those involved who claimed faux outrage did it for their own political reasons. They know who they are…..
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Sept 17, 2024 16:27:51 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 17, 2024 16:27:51 GMT
Presumably it’s Israel, but a quite incredible attack on Hezbolah through their pagers!
Absolutely no idea how they have achieved it?
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Sept 17, 2024 16:48:38 GMT
Post by xchpotter on Sept 17, 2024 16:48:38 GMT
Presumably it’s Israel, but a quite incredible attack on Hezbolah through their pagers! Absolutely no idea how they have achieved it? Indeed, like something out of a spy film. Wondering if they were somehow able to identify the individual pagers and overload the batteries within with a transmitted pulse causing them to explode. Can’t see them having got to the pagers and putting something in them as if they did, they may as well have shot them while they were in such close proximity. I’m sure Mossad will be behind it, but I guess we will never know.
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Post by gawa on Sept 17, 2024 17:43:06 GMT
Presumably it’s Israel, but a quite incredible attack on Hezbolah through their pagers! Absolutely no idea how they have achieved it? Incredible is one way to put it. Fucking disgusting brutality from a terrorist state. Loads of children and innocent civillians injured.
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Sept 17, 2024 17:45:37 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 17, 2024 17:45:37 GMT
Is it normal that the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon had one of these pagers?
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Sept 17, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 17, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
Presumably it’s Israel, but a quite incredible attack on Hezbolah through their pagers! Absolutely no idea how they have achieved it? Indeed, like something out of a spy film. Wondering if they were somehow able to identify the individual pagers and overload the batteries within with a transmitted pulse causing them to explode. Can’t see them having got to the pagers and putting something in them as if they did, they may as well have shot them while they were in such close proximity. I’m sure Mossad will be behind it, but I guess we will never know. Seeing the news and wow. Is it easy to make batteries surge like that all at the same time? Don't they get hot first? It seems hard. Doesn't look like battery fires I've seen and I would guess that the burnout time is kinda random so as soon as a few went off the message would go out to throw them away... I thought it was explosives put into them somewhere in the supply chain but apparently many commercial explosives can be sniffed out by dogs? Whatever they did, the effect is astonishing.
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Sept 17, 2024 17:53:57 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 17, 2024 17:53:57 GMT
Unbelievable.
They’ll be a massive backlash for this.
But hezzbollah will be very concerned that Israel could do damage to other devices.
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Sept 17, 2024 17:55:02 GMT
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Post by questionable on Sept 17, 2024 17:55:02 GMT
Israel recently assassinated Hezbollah’s chief of staff in the middle of Beirut using cell phone triangulation to track and kill him Hezbollah realized it could no longer use cell phones and switched to old-fashioned pocket pagers. The only problem is that Mossad had a cheap practical solution in the works....develop, smuggle and sell them explosive pagers under the guise of a third party. This is absolute genius !!! Mossad basically corralled these to the slaughter house
Story now on X
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Sept 17, 2024 20:06:49 GMT
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2024 20:06:49 GMT
My goodness, an utter humiliation for Hezbollah.
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Sept 17, 2024 21:16:56 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 17, 2024 21:16:56 GMT
Presumably it’s Israel, but a quite incredible attack on Hezbolah through their pagers! Absolutely no idea how they have achieved it? Incredible is one way to put it. Fucking disgusting brutality from a terrorist state. Loads of children and innocent civillians injured. If they can get pagers to explode without having their hands on the actual device, imagine what they could do with mobile phones. Mobile phones owned by you and I?
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