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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 17, 2024 21:18:54 GMT
Incredible is one way to put it. Fucking disgusting brutality from a terrorist state. Loads of children and innocent civillians injured. If they can get pagers to explode without having their hands on the actual device, imagine what they could do with mobile phones. Mobile phones owned by you and I? They’ll have had their hands on them at some point. Will be a supply chain issue with explosive materials being hidden in the pagers.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 17, 2024 21:33:38 GMT
If they can get pagers to explode without having their hands on the actual device, imagine what they could do with mobile phones. Mobile phones owned by you and I? They’ll have had their hands on them at some point. Will be a supply chain issue with explosive materials being hidden in the pagers. Let's hope this is the case but there are lots of reports out there suggesting that the batteries were shorted by a remote cyber attack. I don't have anything like enough technical know how to know if this is (even theoretically) possible. Obviously it is a confused situation and no doubt there will be a lot of misinformation coming through, at least initially.
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Sept 17, 2024 21:34:27 GMT
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2024 21:34:27 GMT
Unbelievable. They’ll be a massive backlash for this. But hezzbollah will be very concerned that Israel could do damage to other devices. I don't think Hezbollah has a backlash in them. A bunch of rank amateurs compared to USA/Israel. It's a vile and hideous attack even by Israel's standards.
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Sept 17, 2024 21:37:44 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 17, 2024 21:37:44 GMT
Unbelievable. They’ll be a massive backlash for this. But hezzbollah will be very concerned that Israel could do damage to other devices. Sadly I don't think Hezbollah has a backlash in them. A bunch of rank amateurs compared to USA/Israel. Sadly!? You are sad that you don’t think a terrorist organisation has backlash in them!? Why on earth would that possibly make you sad?
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2024 21:50:32 GMT
Sadly I don't think Hezbollah has a backlash in them. A bunch of rank amateurs compared to USA/Israel. Sadly!? You are sad that you don’t think a terrorist organisation has backlash in them!? Why on earth would that possibly make you sad? I changed the sadly before you posted but someone needs to call 'time' on this obscene Israeli regime
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Post by flea79 on Sept 17, 2024 22:32:40 GMT
I am not for all this death and tit for tat killing which I fear could escalate too far before long
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Fair play Israel that’s some next level spy shit and utter shit housing!
Makes you wonder what else our governments and secret ops people can do doesn’t it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2024 23:15:44 GMT
The pager thing is absolutley wild.
And ridiculously scary.
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Sept 18, 2024 0:03:39 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2024 0:03:39 GMT
How do we feel about Hezbollah on here?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 18, 2024 2:20:39 GMT
The pager thing is absolutley wild. And ridiculously scary.
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Sept 18, 2024 6:09:03 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2024 6:09:03 GMT
Sadly!? You are sad that you don’t think a terrorist organisation has backlash in them!? Why on earth would that possibly make you sad? I changed the sadly before you posted but someone needs to call 'time' on this obscene Israeli regime Yes I saw it had been changed. Whilst I agree that Netenyahu needs to go, I don’t think any of us should be cheering on another terrorist group (which is what the current Israeli government has pretty much turned into).
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Sept 18, 2024 7:38:13 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 18, 2024 7:38:13 GMT
I changed the sadly before you posted but someone needs to call 'time' on this obscene Israeli regime Yes I saw it had been changed. Whilst I agree that Netenyahu needs to go, I don’t think any of us should be cheering on another terrorist group (which is what the current Israeli government has pretty much turned into). It depends who you are and what side you're on. If you're a Palestinian who's had his innocent parents and children wiped out by Mossad then Hamas are not a terrorist organisation - Hamas are freedom fighters and Israel is the terrorist group. Same can be said with the British and IRA; Spain and ETA; Germany and the Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Group
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2024 7:52:57 GMT
Yes I saw it had been changed. Whilst I agree that Netenyahu needs to go, I don’t think any of us should be cheering on another terrorist group (which is what the current Israeli government has pretty much turned into). It depends who you are and what side you're on. If you're a Palestinian who's had his innocent parents and children wiped out by Mossad then Hamas are not a terrorist organisation - Hamas are freedom fighters and Israel is the terrorist group. Same can be said with the British and IRA; Spain and ETA; Germany and the Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Group I disagree. Take emotion out of it and Hamas are a terrorist organisation who has been nothing but awful for the people of Palestine. The country and its people would be far better led and served by a leader such as Yasser Arafat and I have faith (no evidence of course) that there are similarly minded people who could help the country. Hamas doesn’t care at all about Palestine or Palestinians. Their actions show that.
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Sept 18, 2024 8:12:27 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 18, 2024 8:12:27 GMT
It depends who you are and what side you're on. If you're a Palestinian who's had his innocent parents and children wiped out by Mossad then Hamas are not a terrorist organisation - Hamas are freedom fighters and Israel is the terrorist group. Same can be said with the British and IRA; Spain and ETA; Germany and the Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Group I disagree. Take emotion out of it and Hamas are a terrorist organisation who has been nothing but awful for the people of Palestine. The country and its people would be far better led and served by a leader such as Yasser Arafat and I have faith (no evidence of course) that there are similarly minded people who could help the country. Hamas doesn’t care at all about Palestine or Palestinians. Their actions show that. Are you serious? "take emotion out of it"???? "(Palestine) and its people would be far better led and served by a leader such as Yasser Arafat"Arafat founded Fatah, a paramilitary organization which sought Israel's replacement with a Palestinian state. As I'm sure you know, Fatah was a "terrorist" organisation which operated within several Arab countries, from where it launched hundreds of attacks on Israeli targets. After that he joined the PLO and became leader where he got Palestinians to agree to a 'Palestinian' solution and set up terrorist recruitment centres in the West Bank, Hebron, the Jerusalem area and Nablus as a result, attracting both fighters and financiers for his cause. But sure, if you just focus on 7 years of his life from 1993-2000 with the Oslo Accords then that's fine
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 18, 2024 8:37:45 GMT
How do we feel about Hezbollah on here? What I think is irrelevant truth be told. If you ask many people in Lebanon particularly in the South still under some form of occupation the answer would be very different to what you read in the Western media. That they're not terrorists but a resistance group set up to fight the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and an elected party in the region. But even in Lebanon itself a Sunni Muslim may feel that Hezbollah are not representative and are now causing more problems than they set out to resolve. In short, it's complicated!
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Sept 18, 2024 8:40:53 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2024 8:40:53 GMT
I disagree. Take emotion out of it and Hamas are a terrorist organisation who has been nothing but awful for the people of Palestine. The country and its people would be far better led and served by a leader such as Yasser Arafat and I have faith (no evidence of course) that there are similarly minded people who could help the country. Hamas doesn’t care at all about Palestine or Palestinians. Their actions show that. Are you serious? "take emotion out of it"???? "(Palestine) and its people would be far better led and served by a leader such as Yasser Arafat"Arafat founded Fatah, a paramilitary organization which sought Israel's replacement with a Palestinian state. As I'm sure you know, Fatah was a "terrorist" organisation which operated within several Arab countries, from where it launched hundreds of attacks on Israeli targets. After that he joined the PLO and became leader where he got Palestinians to agree to a 'Palestinian' solution and set up terrorist recruitment centres in the West Bank, Hebron, the Jerusalem area and Nablus as a result, attracting both fighters and financiers for his cause. But sure, if you just focus on 7 years of his life from 1993-2000 with the Oslo Accords then that's fine Yes, the guy who negotiated the last peace agreements with Israel in the 90s and was awarded a Nobel Peace prize. I am saying someone with those objectives (you would of course need someone with similar objectives in charge of Israel) would be a better leader for Palestine than Hamas. It is the only chance of peace. In any event, surely nobody with direct links to the conflict (really what I mean by taking emotion out of it) thinks Hamas are good for Palestine. Their disastrous attacks last year provoked the awful and murderous response and gave Netanyahu exactly what he wanted - an excuse for a full blown invasion. Similarly, Netanyahu and his government are terrible for Israel.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 18, 2024 8:51:28 GMT
Are you serious? "take emotion out of it"???? "(Palestine) and its people would be far better led and served by a leader such as Yasser Arafat"Arafat founded Fatah, a paramilitary organization which sought Israel's replacement with a Palestinian state. As I'm sure you know, Fatah was a "terrorist" organisation which operated within several Arab countries, from where it launched hundreds of attacks on Israeli targets. After that he joined the PLO and became leader where he got Palestinians to agree to a 'Palestinian' solution and set up terrorist recruitment centres in the West Bank, Hebron, the Jerusalem area and Nablus as a result, attracting both fighters and financiers for his cause. But sure, if you just focus on 7 years of his life from 1993-2000 with the Oslo Accords then that's fine Yes, the guy who negotiated the last peace agreements with Israel in the 90s and was awarded a Nobel Peace prize. I am saying someone with those objectives (you would of course need someone with similar objectives in charge of Israel) would be a better leader for Palestine than Hamas. It is the only chance of peace. No Palestinian leader worth his salt is ever going to move towards peace unless and until Israel accepts it has to get out of the occupied territories. No Israeli leader worth his salt is ever going to move towards peace unless and until Hamas is removed from power and influence - that will require outside intervention to allow the Palestinian people the right to vote Hamas out (there have been no free elections in Gaza since 2006). It's not as easy as "just change the leader" as Hamas don't hold elections in Gaza - so chances are it will require force.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2024 9:54:47 GMT
Yes, the guy who negotiated the last peace agreements with Israel in the 90s and was awarded a Nobel Peace prize. I am saying someone with those objectives (you would of course need someone with similar objectives in charge of Israel) would be a better leader for Palestine than Hamas. It is the only chance of peace. No Palestinian leader worth his salt is ever going to move towards peace unless and until Israel accepts it has to get out of the occupied territories. No Israeli leader worth his salt is ever going to move towards peace unless and until Hamas is removed from power and influence - that will require outside intervention to allow the Palestinian people the right to vote Hamas out (there have been no free elections in Gaza since 2006). It's not as easy as "just change the leader" as Hamas don't hold elections in Gaza - so chances are it will require force. I completely agree. The only chance of peace is a complete change of leadership in both states. The people of both nations need to somehow rise up against their respective leaders. That may be possible in Israel. I don’t see how it is possible in Palestine as it has been destroyed and people are desperate to just survive.
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Sept 18, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 18, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
It’s happened again, this time with Walkie talkies.
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Sept 18, 2024 15:29:05 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2024 15:29:05 GMT
How do we feel about Hezbollah on here? What I think is irrelevant truth be told. If you ask many people in Lebanon particularly in the South still under some form of occupation the answer would be very different to what you read in the Western media. That they're not terrorists but a resistance group set up to fight the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and an elected party in the region. But even in Lebanon itself a Sunni Muslim may feel that Hezbollah are not representative and are now causing more problems than they set out to resolve. In short, it's complicated! Jesus Christ the middle east is a mess to understand. I have friends who are extremely pro one side or the other. But I don't know how they worked out that there's one "right" side.
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Sept 18, 2024 15:36:20 GMT
Post by phileetin on Sept 18, 2024 15:36:20 GMT
they'll have to use semaphore now .
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Sept 18, 2024 15:40:21 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2024 15:40:21 GMT
What I think is irrelevant truth be told. If you ask many people in Lebanon particularly in the South still under some form of occupation the answer would be very different to what you read in the Western media. That they're not terrorists but a resistance group set up to fight the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and an elected party in the region. But even in Lebanon itself a Sunni Muslim may feel that Hezbollah are not representative and are now causing more problems than they set out to resolve. In short, it's complicated! Jesus Christ the middle east is a mess to understand. I have friends who are extremely pro one side or the other. But I don't know how they worked out that there's one "right" side. Too much sand. In most Swedish media they put Israel hand in hand w Ukraine.
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Sept 18, 2024 16:12:50 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2024 16:12:50 GMT
Jesus Christ the middle east is a mess to understand. I have friends who are extremely pro one side or the other. But I don't know how they worked out that there's one "right" side. Too much sand. In most Swedish media they put Israel hand in hand w Ukraine. I think Ukraine desperately wants Israeli weapons tech. Plus Ukraine has a strong Jewish community, including President Zelenskyy.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2024 16:15:01 GMT
This video makes it look like the new explosions happened at different times?
You'd think Israel would want them all at once so there's no time to work out what's happening and throw out the boom boxes.
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Sept 18, 2024 19:48:44 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 18, 2024 19:48:44 GMT
I am not for all this death and tit for tat killing which I fear could escalate too far before long But Fair play Israel that’s some next level spy shit and utter shit housing! Makes you wonder what else our governments and secret ops people can do doesn’t it It’s incredible isn’t it. As a nation their cities don’t compare to the excess of places like Dubai or Singapore. They aren’t financial powerhouses of the ilk of London or New York. Yet their security defences and secret service are on another level. Are they getting help from the US I wonder?
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Post by flea79 on Sept 18, 2024 19:50:00 GMT
I am not for all this death and tit for tat killing which I fear could escalate too far before long But Fair play Israel that’s some next level spy shit and utter shit housing! Makes you wonder what else our governments and secret ops people can do doesn’t it It’s incredible isn’t it. As a nation their cities don’t compare to the excess of places like Dubai or Singapore. They aren’t financial powerhouses of the ilk of London or New York. Yet their security defences and secret service are on another level. Are they getting help from the US I wonder? They make security priority one I believe and since the Egyptian invasion they once dealt with it’s basically the prime directive to them
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 18, 2024 19:57:18 GMT
How do we feel about Hezbollah on here? They're a bunch of extreme Islamist nutters operated by Iran. (Think of them much like the Taliban and how they're running Afghanistan now.) Their aim is to form a Sharia caliphate of the whole area and the complete destruction of Israel. Regarding the pager events, apart from a very few instances, they were a success because only Hezbollah operatives carried them and the reason they went off sporadically was because the bombs only went off when those operatives opened the pager after receiving the disguised Israeli code message that triggered the timer to the explosives. I've little time for those leading Israel but this way at least, they didn't have to drop thousands of bombs to take out the enemy. OS.
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Sept 18, 2024 19:57:42 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 18, 2024 19:57:42 GMT
I changed the sadly before you posted but someone needs to call 'time' on this obscene Israeli regime Yes I saw it had been changed. Whilst I agree that Netenyahu needs to go, I don’t think any of us should be cheering on another terrorist group (which is what the current Israeli government has pretty much turned into). Frankly when you see the evil atrocities Israel have committed upon Palestine over the past year and now extending that to innocent Lebanese civilians, whilst nobody ‘supports’ Hezbollah wouldn’t it be great for some organisation to give back Israel a taste of their own medicine and watch the rats tear each other to shreds?
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Sept 18, 2024 20:11:21 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2024 20:11:21 GMT
How do we feel about Hezbollah on here? They're a bunch of extreme Islamist nutters operated by Iran. (Think of them much like the Taliban and how they're running Afghanistan now.) Their aim is to form a Sharia caliphate of the whole area and the complete destruction of Israel. Regarding the pager events, apart from a very few instances, they were a success because only Hezbollah operatives carried them and the reason they went off sporadically was because the bombs only went off when those operatives opened the pager after receiving the disguised Israeli code message that triggered the timer to the explosives. I've little time for those leading Israel but this way at least, they didn't have to drop thousands of bombs to take out the enemy. OS. I feel less awful about what I've seen of this than I do about the monstrous things I've seen Israel do in Gaza or the West Bank settlers. Whatbwould Israel have to concede diplomatically to get the rockets from Hezbollah and attacks from Hamas to stop? Would the "H"s accept a two state solution? I have heard yes and no.
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Sept 18, 2024 20:15:59 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 18, 2024 20:15:59 GMT
I am not for all this death and tit for tat killing which I fear could escalate too far before long But Fair play Israel that’s some next level spy shit and utter shit housing! Makes you wonder what else our governments and secret ops people can do doesn’t it Are they getting help from the US I wonder? 🤣
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Sept 18, 2024 20:43:30 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 18, 2024 20:43:30 GMT
Yes I saw it had been changed. Whilst I agree that Netenyahu needs to go, I don’t think any of us should be cheering on another terrorist group (which is what the current Israeli government has pretty much turned into). It depends who you are and what side you're on. If you're a Palestinian who's had his innocent parents and children wiped out by Mossad then Hamas are not a terrorist organisation - Hamas are freedom fighters and Israel is the terrorist group. Same can be said with the British and IRA; Spain and ETA; Germany and the Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Group Big fan of Terry Taliban here.
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