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Aug 29, 2024 21:32:23 GMT
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Post by musik on Aug 29, 2024 21:32:23 GMT
Polio vaccine. A war stop at last. A relief.
Any more SS officer references?
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Aug 31, 2024 10:34:02 GMT
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Post by gawa on Aug 31, 2024 10:34:02 GMT
The new propoganda line which will be coming our way soon.
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Sept 1, 2024 10:10:35 GMT
Post by Gods on Sept 1, 2024 10:10:35 GMT
>>Israel says bodies of six Gaza hostages recovered.
I have wondered for several months now if there are any still alive?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 1, 2024 17:08:03 GMT
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Post by gawa on Sept 1, 2024 17:12:11 GMT
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Post by Gods on Sept 1, 2024 20:08:34 GMT
The cynic in me thinks the only reason Israel have the ceasefire for the polio vaccination roll out in Gaza is that they have come to the realisation the polio virus won't respect their military check points and may spread to their own children.
Am i being unfair on them?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 1, 2024 20:19:47 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 1, 2024 20:47:38 GMT
He in an abhorrent 'leader' and unfortunately it appears that change can only come from within.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 1, 2024 23:54:15 GMT
Netanyahu is a war criminal. He should be prosecuted.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2024 0:31:23 GMT
He in an abhorrent 'leader' and unfortunately it appears that change can only come from within.
He's an abhorrent 'leader' for sure but the US could remove him within 48 hours.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 2, 2024 7:40:11 GMT
He in an abhorrent 'leader' and unfortunately it appears that change can only come from within. He's an abhorrent 'leader' for sure but the US could remove him within 48 hours.
Never going to happen.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 2, 2024 8:13:17 GMT
RIP to the 6 hostages that have been killed over the last 36 hours.
Hopefully today's general strike will wake Netanyahu up and the remaining hostages can be released in some kind of swap with Palestinian's being held without trial......
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Sept 2, 2024 8:53:02 GMT
Post by phileetin on Sept 2, 2024 8:53:02 GMT
Netanyahu is a war criminal. He should be prosecuted. go to the top of the nhs waiting list
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2024 8:53:08 GMT
Good to see the people of Israel distancing themselves from their evil leader and demanding change. It is the best hope of peace.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 2, 2024 11:50:08 GMT
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Sept 2, 2024 12:06:40 GMT
Post by wannabee on Sept 2, 2024 12:06:40 GMT
Good to see the people of Israel distancing themselves from their evil leader and demanding change. It is the best hope of peace. Unfortunately i think it's a forlorn one currently The General Strike called by the Histadrut (Labour Union Federation) has been poorly supported and the Court has now told them to call it off at 14.30 rather than the planned 18.00 The Histadrut has traditional links with the Israeli Labour Party although a bit like the TUC it began to distance itself. Histadrut does support a Two State Solution The difficulty in attaching labels is that the Israeli Labour Party itself is Zionist and supports Aliyah the right of Jews to return, returning is rather strange from where is not quite clear as about 1.5M have "returned" from Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. About another 600K US Citizens "returned" to Israel from places like Brooklyn. A large proportion of these "Returnee's" have ended up in the West Bank as illegal Settlers which has compounded the complexity. It should be noted that Palestinians have no right to return The whole area is a hotchpotch of self interest groups with differing religious and secular ideas of how things should be but human nature being what it is if you're on top you want to retain the status quo. Israel's Leader if he is deposed faces the prospect of being tried in Israel for corruption or an international court for War Crimes is hardly going to alter course. The Hamas Leadership face the prospect of assassination no good options there either. You can't assassinate an ideology of self determination however. If by some miracle a Ceasefire in Gaza can be achieved at least it stops the immediate genocide but it's only a question of time before it starts all over.
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Sept 2, 2024 12:26:34 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2024 12:26:34 GMT
Good to see the people of Israel distancing themselves from their evil leader and demanding change. It is the best hope of peace. Unfortunately i think it's a forlorn one currently The General Strike called by the Histadrut (Labour Union Federation) has been poorly supported and the Court has now told them to call it off at 14.30 rather than the planned 18.00 The Histadrut has traditional links with the Israeli Labour Party although a bit like the TUC it began to distance itself. Histadrut does support a Two State Solution The difficulty in attaching labels is that the Israeli Labour Party itself is Zionist and supports Aliyah the right of Jews to return, returning is rather strange from where is not quite clear as about 1.5M have "returned" from Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. About another 600K US Citizens "returned" to Israel from places like Brooklyn. A large proportion of these "Returnee's" have ended up in the West Bank as illegal Settlers which has compounded the complexity. It should be noted that Palestinians have no right to return The whole area is a hotchpotch of self interest groups with differing religious and secular ideas of how things should be but human nature being what it is if you're on top you want to retain the status quo. Israel's Leader if he is deposed faces the prospect of being tried in Israel for corruption or an international court for War Crimes is hardly going to alter course. The Hamas Leadership face the prospect of assassination no good options there either. You can't assassinate an ideology of self determination however. If by some miracle a Ceasefire in Gaza can be achieved at least it stops the immediate genocide but it's only a question of time before it starts all over. I hope you’re wrong but I doubt you are. 500,000 out of 10m population protesting is a very significant number.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 2, 2024 12:38:25 GMT
I'm hoping the downfall of Netanyahu is like that of Mussolini.
OS.
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Israel
Sept 2, 2024 13:36:11 GMT
Post by wannabee on Sept 2, 2024 13:36:11 GMT
Unfortunately i think it's a forlorn one currently The General Strike called by the Histadrut (Labour Union Federation) has been poorly supported and the Court has now told them to call it off at 14.30 rather than the planned 18.00 The Histadrut has traditional links with the Israeli Labour Party although a bit like the TUC it began to distance itself. Histadrut does support a Two State Solution The difficulty in attaching labels is that the Israeli Labour Party itself is Zionist and supports Aliyah the right of Jews to return, returning is rather strange from where is not quite clear as about 1.5M have "returned" from Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. About another 600K US Citizens "returned" to Israel from places like Brooklyn. A large proportion of these "Returnee's" have ended up in the West Bank as illegal Settlers which has compounded the complexity. It should be noted that Palestinians have no right to return The whole area is a hotchpotch of self interest groups with differing religious and secular ideas of how things should be but human nature being what it is if you're on top you want to retain the status quo. Israel's Leader if he is deposed faces the prospect of being tried in Israel for corruption or an international court for War Crimes is hardly going to alter course. The Hamas Leadership face the prospect of assassination no good options there either. You can't assassinate an ideology of self determination however. If by some miracle a Ceasefire in Gaza can be achieved at least it stops the immediate genocide but it's only a question of time before it starts all over. I hope you’re wrong but I doubt you are. 500,000 out of 10m population protesting is a very significant number. Unlike in Gaza News isn't entirely censored in Israel the estimate is about 100,000 Still a sizeable number but my point is that there is no united opposition In 2003 people demonstrated in 600 Cities around the World regarding the imminent Iraq Invasion. 3M in Rome 1.5M in Madrid 1M in London and it didn't make a blind but of difference
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Sept 2, 2024 14:21:24 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2024 14:21:24 GMT
I hope you’re wrong but I doubt you are. 500,000 out of 10m population protesting is a very significant number. Unlike in Gaza News isn't entirely censored in Israel the estimate is about 100,000 Still a sizeable number but my point is that there is no united opposition In 2003 people demonstrated in 600 Cities around the World regarding the imminent Iraq Invasion. 3M in Rome 1.5M in Madrid 1M in London and it didn't make a blind but of difference I’m not sure that’s a good comparison though. People in Israel are directly affected by this war. I have read over 100k in Tel Aviv, and 500k across the country are protesting. Let’s hope they continue.
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Sept 2, 2024 14:25:26 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 2, 2024 14:25:26 GMT
I hope you’re wrong but I doubt you are. 500,000 out of 10m population protesting is a very significant number. Unlike in Gaza News isn't entirely censored in Israel the estimate is about 100,000 Still a sizeable number but my point is that there is no united opposition In 2003 people demonstrated in 600 Cities around the World regarding the imminent Iraq Invasion. 3M in Rome 1.5M in Madrid 1M in London and it didn't make a blind but of difference Of course it didn’t make a blind bit of difference in two thousand and three Similar to today this country is being run by lying right wing authoritarian wanker dressed up as a alleged socialist
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2024 16:19:25 GMT
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Israel
Sept 2, 2024 16:23:09 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2024 16:23:09 GMT
Unlike in Gaza News isn't entirely censored in Israel the estimate is about 100,000 Still a sizeable number but my point is that there is no united opposition In 2003 people demonstrated in 600 Cities around the World regarding the imminent Iraq Invasion. 3M in Rome 1.5M in Madrid 1M in London and it didn't make a blind but of difference Of course it didn’t make a blind bit of difference in two thousand and three Similar to today this country is being run by lying right wing authoritarian wanker dressed up as a alleged socialist The lib dems on the right side of history with the Iraq war, and they have been calling for a suspension of arms sales to Israel since early April. Both the Tories and Labour supported the Iraq invasion, and Labour have only today decided to suspend arms sales to Israel. The tory position is to continue arms sales to Israel.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 2, 2024 17:39:12 GMT
Of course it didn’t make a blind bit of difference in two thousand and three Similar to today this country is being run by lying right wing authoritarian wanker dressed up as a alleged socialist The lib dems on the right side of history with the Iraq war, and they have been calling for a suspension of arms sales to Israel since early April. Both the Tories and Labour supported the Iraq invasion, and Labour have only today decided to suspend arms sales to Israel. The tory position is to continue arms sales to Israel. 30 out of 310 arms export sales Typical Labour a little candy floss trying to confuse those of limited intelligence I’m sure yourself has seen through this charade and were going to mention it in your next post Though only a few I suppose it’s a start and won’t upset starmer’s Zionist lackeys
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Sept 2, 2024 19:01:22 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 2, 2024 19:01:22 GMT
The lib dems on the right side of history with the Iraq war, and they have been calling for a suspension of arms sales to Israel since early April. Both the Tories and Labour supported the Iraq invasion, and Labour have only today decided to suspend arms sales to Israel. The tory position is to continue arms sales to Israel. 30 out of 310 arms export sales Typical Labour a little candy floss trying to confuse those of limited intelligence I’m sure yourself has seen through this charade and were going to mention it in your next post Though only a few I suppose it’s a start and won’t upset starmer’s Zionist lackeys To be fair, it was breaking news when I posted it and there wasn’t any detail. He has done it based on legal analysis, but a laymen like you won’t possibly understand that. It is a lot more than most countries and his main political opponents did though and a step in the right direction.
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Sept 3, 2024 10:53:58 GMT
Post by wannabee on Sept 3, 2024 10:53:58 GMT
I'm surprised no one has yet commented on the Government decision to suspend some Arms Export Licenses to Israel Bibi's reaction was predictable In many ways the decision is symbolic as by all accounts UK doesn't supply Israel with a significant amount of Arms but the Official reason given is highly significant because of a “clear risk” they may be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law.
This places a huge spotlight on US who supply the vast majority of Arms to Israel if they continue to reach a different conclusion to UK on the potential use of those Arms It would only be someone obtuse that would deny that this is not a major change of Policy by the Labour Government not only towards Israel but it's alignment with US as i predicted when Richard Hermer was appointed Attorney General. To reach any other conclusion would have made a mockery of what Labour said in opposition and Hermer said as an independent Lawyer www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/02/uk-suspends-30-arms-export-licences-to-israel-after-review
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Sept 3, 2024 11:21:52 GMT
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Post by gawa on Sept 3, 2024 11:21:52 GMT
I'm surprised no one has yet commented on the Government decision to suspend some Arms Export Licenses to Israel Bibi's reaction was predictable In many ways the decision is symbolic as by all accounts UK doesn't supply Israel with a significant amount of Arms but the Official reason given is highly significant because of a “clear risk” they may be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law.
This places a huge spotlight on US who supply the vast majority of Arms to Israel if they continue to reach a different conclusion to UK on the potential use of those Arms It would only be someone obtuse that would deny that this is not a major change of Policy by the Labour Government not only towards Israel but it's alignment with US as i predicted when Richard Hermer was appointed Attorney General. To reach any other conclusion would have made a mockery of what Labour said in opposition and Hermer said as an independent Lawyer www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/02/uk-suspends-30-arms-export-licences-to-israel-after-reviewPretty sure Oggy and Waga have just been discussing it. I don't think it's a major change of policy and alignment towards Israel or US personally. A welcome change but banning less than 10% of arms sales sounds more performative in nature rather than due to concerns about the war crimes said weapons are used for. An F35 which was partially made in the UK killed 90 civillians in Gaza yesterday. Those F35s are not part of the ban.
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Sept 3, 2024 11:44:07 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 3, 2024 11:44:07 GMT
I'm surprised no one has yet commented on the Government decision to suspend some Arms Export Licenses to Israel Bibi's reaction was predictable In many ways the decision is symbolic as by all accounts UK doesn't supply Israel with a significant amount of Arms but the Official reason given is highly significant because of a “clear risk” they may be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law.
This places a huge spotlight on US who supply the vast majority of Arms to Israel if they continue to reach a different conclusion to UK on the potential use of those Arms It would only be someone obtuse that would deny that this is not a major change of Policy by the Labour Government not only towards Israel but it's alignment with US as i predicted when Richard Hermer was appointed Attorney General. To reach any other conclusion would have made a mockery of what Labour said in opposition and Hermer said as an independent Lawyer www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/02/uk-suspends-30-arms-export-licences-to-israel-after-reviewPretty sure Oggy and Waga have just been discussing it. I don't think it's a major change of policy and alignment towards Israel or US personally. A welcome change but banning less than 10% of arms sales sounds more performative in nature rather than due to concerns about the war crimes said weapons are used for. An F35 which was partially made in the UK killed 90 civillians in Gaza yesterday. Those F35s are not part of the ban. I thought we didn’t sell the F35 parts to Israel? I don’t know the law well enough, but the bans in force are down to a review of the legal position. Ultimately nothing we do will make a difference on the ground in Gaza or Israel.
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Sept 3, 2024 12:13:36 GMT
Post by wannabee on Sept 3, 2024 12:13:36 GMT
I'm surprised no one has yet commented on the Government decision to suspend some Arms Export Licenses to Israel Bibi's reaction was predictable In many ways the decision is symbolic as by all accounts UK doesn't supply Israel with a significant amount of Arms but the Official reason given is highly significant because of a “clear risk” they may be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law.
This places a huge spotlight on US who supply the vast majority of Arms to Israel if they continue to reach a different conclusion to UK on the potential use of those Arms It would only be someone obtuse that would deny that this is not a major change of Policy by the Labour Government not only towards Israel but it's alignment with US as i predicted when Richard Hermer was appointed Attorney General. To reach any other conclusion would have made a mockery of what Labour said in opposition and Hermer said as an independent Lawyer www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/02/uk-suspends-30-arms-export-licences-to-israel-after-reviewPretty sure Oggy and Waga have just been discussing it. I don't think it's a major change of policy and alignment towards Israel or US personally. A welcome change but banning less than 10% of arms sales sounds more performative in nature rather than due to concerns about the war crimes said weapons are used for. An F35 which was partially made in the UK killed 90 civillians in Gaza yesterday. Those F35s are not part of the ban. I must catch up with this conversation between Oggy and Waga on Arms Sales to Israel as it's not on Israel thread Your response is the least surprising to me in acknowledging a shift in Government Policy by Labour I believe you are referring to a report i believe from a Danish Aid Agency that an F35 may have been involved in a attack on a Refugee Camp. Even if the report turns out to be true your categoric statement is dubious because UK components are used in some F35s not all as there are many variants and although UK is a Tier 1 Supplier it is by no means single sourced on the components it supplies. So at best the connection if any and if it occurred is tenuous at best. By its nature the Defence Industry is highly secretive of its manufacturing footprint and components and I'm content that the review that was ordered by Lammy on his first day in office has come to a conclusion on information far more comprehensive than your speculation
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Sept 3, 2024 12:19:59 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 3, 2024 12:19:59 GMT
Is Hizbollah and Hamas still seen as the bad terrorist guys and Israel as the friendly peace seeking nation, in England?
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