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Post by andystokey on May 17, 2024 12:33:59 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists If she spontaneously combusted in front of me it would be a very similar reaction.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists And it would have been difficult to pull off. Protesters by their very nature tend to be loud mouths but they knew she was coming and they all entered into a pact, the amazing thing was, that it actually held. And she absolutely hated it. I know I wouldn't have been able to have not taken the bait.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 15:56:42 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ...
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May 17, 2024 18:29:11 GMT
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Post by knype on May 17, 2024 18:29:11 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... Yeah, no hope
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 17, 2024 18:41:26 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... From reading the comments on the you tube video I’d say opinion was split and there was no clear winner.
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Post by wannabee on May 17, 2024 19:03:21 GMT
If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... From reading the comments on the you tube video I’d say opinion was split and there was no clear winner. Is that how you form your opinions?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 19:10:36 GMT
If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... From reading the comments on the you tube video I’d say opinion was split and there was no clear winner.
I wasn't basing my opinion on comments made by other people Cobs but rather, I was basing my comments on what I thought of what she said.
What did you think of what she had to say in response to Braverman?
EDIT: I replied to you before I saw wannabee's reply to you above but yes, quite ...
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Post by andystokey on May 17, 2024 19:12:03 GMT
They have studied and copied what happened at Columbia 1968. The media studies dept. is one of the best in the world. They controlled the narrative and tried to avoid being misrepresented by the MSM.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 17, 2024 22:28:59 GMT
From reading the comments on the you tube video I’d say opinion was split and there was no clear winner. Is that how you form your opinions? Not at all. I’m just saying that a lot of people didn’t agree with Paul’s opinion that Braverman was schooled by the student. An observation not an opinion.
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Post by wannabee on May 17, 2024 22:48:44 GMT
Is that how you form your opinions? Not at all. I’m just saying that a lot of people didn’t agree with Paul’s opinion that Braverman was schooled by the student. An observation not an opinion. Are you likely to give your opinion?
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 17, 2024 22:50:38 GMT
Not at all. I’m just saying that a lot of people didn’t agree with Paul’s opinion that Braverman was schooled by the student. An observation not an opinion. Are you likely to give your opinion? Nope.
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Post by wannabee on May 17, 2024 23:33:47 GMT
Are you likely to give your opinion? Nope. Much as I expected
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2024 0:31:59 GMT
Is that how you form your opinions? Not at all. I’m just saying that a lot of people didn’t agree with Paul’s opinion that Braverman was schooled by the student. An observation not an opinion.
Oh come on Cobs, what do you actually expect when you're referencing the replies on a GB News YouTube channel?
Do you genuinely believe that those remarks are providing you with a balanced view on the topic?
And on top of all that, you don't actually have the conviction to give your own opinion on their exchange?
Pretty poor mate.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 18, 2024 5:02:11 GMT
Not at all. I’m just saying that a lot of people didn’t agree with Paul’s opinion that Braverman was schooled by the student. An observation not an opinion. Oh come on Cobs, what do you actually expect when you're referencing the replies on a GB News YouTube channel? Do you genuinely believe that those remarks are providing you with a balanced view on the topic? And on top of all that, you don't actually have the conviction to give your own opinion on their exchange? Pretty poor mate.
I have a view which isn’t a million miles away from yours but rather than spending hours discussing a subject I’m not an expert on (I’m more interested in the U.K. and things I can do something about) and risk getting into some lengthy debate and argue minor points to the nth degree I don’t post a lot on this thread because of exactly the response I got from the dynamic duo for putting on a simple observation to a video which I’m now beginning to regret ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) My OP was simply a clumsy way of trying to say not everyone has to have the exact same view and that they should be able to post an opinion without feeling that they’re - bad - some sort of facist - wrong every time - asked what there qualifications are for having that opinion and what job they do - Getting drawn into some long drawn out argument with you or Wanabee (or as is often the case both). - Having a like pulled out from 3 months ago and have it misinterpreted and used against them. The way it’s going there’ll be a lot of threads that will end up just turning into echo chambers where 2 percent of the posters post 90 percent of the content simply because the majority can’t be arsed with putting an opinion because it’s to much like hard work. Anyway I’ve said my piece so I’m going to dump and run before I end up getting into one of those long drawn out arguments I’ve just talked about and end up being a hypocrite (which I know I am anyway)
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Post by knype on May 18, 2024 5:48:59 GMT
Oh come on Cobs, what do you actually expect when you're referencing the replies on a GB News YouTube channel? Do you genuinely believe that those remarks are providing you with a balanced view on the topic? And on top of all that, you don't actually have the conviction to give your own opinion on their exchange? Pretty poor mate.
I have a view which isn’t a million miles away from yours but rather than spending hours discussing a subject I’m not an expert on (I’m more interested in the U.K. and things I can do something about) and risk getting into some lengthy debate I don’t post a lot on this thread because of exactly the response I got from the dynamic duo for putting on a simple observation to a video which I’m now beginning to regret ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) My OP was simply a clumsy way of trying to say not everyone has to have the exact same view and that they should be able to post an opinion without feeling that they’re - bad - some sort of facist - wrong every time - asked what there qualifications are for having that opinion and what job they do - Getting drawn into some long drawn out argument with you or Wanabee (or as is often the case both). - Having a like pulled out from 3 months ago and have it misinterpreted and used against them. The way it’s going there’ll be a lot of threads that will end up just turning into echo chambers where 2 percent of the posters post 90 percent of the content simply because the majority can’t be arsed with putting an opinion because it’s to much like hard work. Anyway I’ve said my piece so I’m going to dump and run before I end up getting into one of those long drawn out arguments I’ve just talked about and end up being a hypocrite (which I know I am anyway) And that's exactly what they want to happen! That's why they do it.
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Post by spitthedog on May 18, 2024 9:36:17 GMT
I really don't like this 'winners/losers' approach to dialogue and discussion that we see on social media all the time. I dont think it is helpful and it really undermines any openness to meaningful debate. It's not a sport.
What I will say with the above clip is that the response to the host (Braverman) picks up on something important. While the question about October 7th is reasonable in one way, it seems to be part of an adopted media narrative that this political situation somehow only started on that date, as if the succession of horrors dating back to 1947 are not relevant.
In that way the question seems disingenuous, the implication that these protestors are merely supporters of something horrific that took place on October 7th, that is how GB news seems to want to portray them, even though they are posing as if they are also wanting to give them a voice, so little wonder they are refusing to engage.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2024 10:48:04 GMT
Oh come on Cobs, what do you actually expect when you're referencing the replies on a GB News YouTube channel? Do you genuinely believe that those remarks are providing you with a balanced view on the topic? And on top of all that, you don't actually have the conviction to give your own opinion on their exchange? Pretty poor mate.
I have a view which isn’t a million miles away from yours but rather than spending hours discussing a subject I’m not an expert on (I’m more interested in the U.K. and things I can do something about) and risk getting into some lengthy debate and argue minor points to the nth degree I don’t post a lot on this thread because of exactly the response I got from the dynamic duo for putting on a simple observation to a video which I’m now beginning to regret ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) My OP was simply a clumsy way of trying to say not everyone has to have the exact same view and that they should be able to post an opinion without feeling that they’re - bad - some sort of facist - wrong every time - asked what there qualifications are for having that opinion and what job they do - Getting drawn into some long drawn out argument with you or Wanabee (or as is often the case both). - Having a like pulled out from 3 months ago and have it misinterpreted and used against them. The way it’s going there’ll be a lot of threads that will end up just turning into echo chambers where 2 percent of the posters post 90 percent of the content simply because the majority can’t be arsed with putting an opinion because it’s to much like hard work. Anyway I’ve said my piece so I’m going to dump and run before I end up getting into one of those long drawn out arguments I’ve just talked about and end up being a hypocrite (which I know I am anyway) Well of course they will become echo chambers if people post stuff and then run away and aren't prepared to have a conversation about what they've posted. There are numerous threads out there discussing the conversation between Braverman and the student, the vast majority of which, contain hundreds and hundreds of posts actually praising the student, for the way in which the student tackled her. But no, you chose the thread (which would be unquestionably the most biased against the student), GB News, to make your point, as if it was some bastion of impartiality. And as I said, my post was based entirely on my own thoughts, not those of the GB News audience and if, as you say, your own opinions pretty much align with mine, that being, that she did indeed put up a fine performance, then I'm not entirely sure why it was necessary to bring them up in the first place. I dont think it was unreasonable to believe that in doing so, you were showing some sort of solidarity with their position. Following your post, I read through quite a big chunk of them and found that many didn't realise, just how much of a fool they were making of themselves, due to their actual ignorance, as they attempted to belittle the student. But hey, I guess, it wasn't particularly surprising.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2024 10:59:10 GMT
I really don't like this 'winners/losers' approach to dialogue and discussion that we see on social media all the time. I dont think it is helpful and it really undermines any openness to meaningful debate. It's not a sport. What I will say with the above clip is that the response to the host (Braverman) picks up on something important. While the question about October 7th is reasonable in one way, it seems to be part of an adopted media narrative that this political situation somehow only started on that date, as if the succession of horrors dating back to 1947 are not relevant. In that way the question seems disingenuous, the implication that these protestors are merely supporters of something horrific that took place on October 7th, that is how GB news seems to want to portray them, even though they are posing as if they are also wanting to give them a voice, so little wonder they are refusing to engage. Exactly. And there are very few people in our media (none?) and virtually no MP's (just Galloway and a maybe a small handful of others) who have the bottle to push back against that narrative. That's was why it was so refreshing to see the student call out Braverman and accuse her of being disingenuous with posing such a question (which of course she was being). I don't think Braverman was at all prepared to be confronted with a person who actually knew what she was talking about and instead thought that she'd be able to get away with trotting out her usual suite of misinformation and lies.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2024 11:00:44 GMT
I have a view which isn’t a million miles away from yours but rather than spending hours discussing a subject I’m not an expert on (I’m more interested in the U.K. and things I can do something about) and risk getting into some lengthy debate I don’t post a lot on this thread because of exactly the response I got from the dynamic duo for putting on a simple observation to a video which I’m now beginning to regret ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) My OP was simply a clumsy way of trying to say not everyone has to have the exact same view and that they should be able to post an opinion without feeling that they’re - bad - some sort of facist - wrong every time - asked what there qualifications are for having that opinion and what job they do - Getting drawn into some long drawn out argument with you or Wanabee (or as is often the case both). - Having a like pulled out from 3 months ago and have it misinterpreted and used against them. The way it’s going there’ll be a lot of threads that will end up just turning into echo chambers where 2 percent of the posters post 90 percent of the content simply because the majority can’t be arsed with putting an opinion because it’s to much like hard work. Anyway I’ve said my piece so I’m going to dump and run before I end up getting into one of those long drawn out arguments I’ve just talked about and end up being a hypocrite (which I know I am anyway) And that's exactly what they want to happen! That's why they do it. Behave. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 18, 2024 11:12:22 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... Doesn’t she have a constituency to represent?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2024 11:23:51 GMT
If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... Doesn’t she have a constituency to represent? Indeed. As the young lady (quite accurately) said to Braverman, the only reason she was there, was because she was touting to become the next Tory party leader.
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Post by spitthedog on May 18, 2024 11:30:32 GMT
If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... Doesn’t she have a constituency to represent? I was going to post the same. How the hell this practice of sitting MPs with their own TV shows on political orientated stations is allowed is frankly gobsmacking, bad for democracy, as well as an insult to their constituencies.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 18, 2024 11:53:43 GMT
Oh come on Cobs, what do you actually expect when you're referencing the replies on a GB News YouTube channel? Do you genuinely believe that those remarks are providing you with a balanced view on the topic? And on top of all that, you don't actually have the conviction to give your own opinion on their exchange? Pretty poor mate.
I have a view which isn’t a million miles away from yours but rather than spending hours discussing a subject I’m not an expert on (I’m more interested in the U.K. and things I can do something about) and risk getting into some lengthy debate and argue minor points to the nth degree I don’t post a lot on this thread because of exactly the response I got from the dynamic duo for putting on a simple observation to a video which I’m now beginning to regret ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) My OP was simply a clumsy way of trying to say not everyone has to have the exact same view and that they should be able to post an opinion without feeling that they’re - bad - some sort of facist - wrong every time - asked what there qualifications are for having that opinion and what job they do - Getting drawn into some long drawn out argument with you or Wanabee (or as is often the case both). - Having a like pulled out from 3 months ago and have it misinterpreted and used against them. The way it’s going there’ll be a lot of threads that will end up just turning into echo chambers where 2 percent of the posters post 90 percent of the content simply because the majority can’t be arsed with putting an opinion because it’s to much like hard work. Anyway I’ve said my piece so I’m going to dump and run before I end up getting into one of those long drawn out arguments I’ve just talked about and end up being a hypocrite (which I know I am anyway) You could have just given your opinion in the time it took to type all that out in fairness..……
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Post by wannabee on May 18, 2024 12:43:20 GMT
If this young lady is representative of the youth coming through today, then maybe there's still hope. Braverman knew she'd been blown completely out of the water within seconds ... Doesn’t she have a constituency to represent? What I found particularly appalling was the condescending smirking tone Braverman and the GB News Lackey took to being cancelled. She attempted to ask the loaded question of "Do you support Hamas" which of course nobody does but it doesn't follow you support what Israel is doing When she tried the same tactic with the Student in the Studio she was firmly told that she was asking the wrong question as the conflict didn't begin on October 7 and she recoiled like her arse had been slapped
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Post by cvillestokie on May 18, 2024 14:30:34 GMT
Doesn’t she have a constituency to represent? Indeed. As the young lady (quite accurately) said to Braverman, the only reason she was there, was because she was touting to become the next Tory party leader. I would be shocked if she wasn’t either the next Tory leader or the one after that to be honest. I mean, who else is left? Hunt? Gullis?
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Post by wannabee on May 18, 2024 15:02:19 GMT
Indeed. As the young lady (quite accurately) said to Braverman, the only reason she was there, was because she was touting to become the next Tory party leader. I would be shocked if she wasn’t either the next Tory leader or the one after that to be honest. I mean, who else is left? Hunt? Gullis? The relatively competent Penny Mordaunt would be a better choice and is not part of the Lunatic Fringe..... yea, you're right, Cruella it is.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 18, 2024 16:00:09 GMT
I really don't like this 'winners/losers' approach to dialogue and discussion that we see on social media all the time. I dont think it is helpful and it really undermines any openness to meaningful debate. It's not a sport. What I will say with the above clip is that the response to the host (Braverman) picks up on something important. While the question about October 7th is reasonable in one way, it seems to be part of an adopted media narrative that this political situation somehow only started on that date, as if the succession of horrors dating back to 1947 are not relevant. In that way the question seems disingenuous, the implication that these protestors are merely supporters of something horrific that took place on October 7th, that is how GB news seems to want to portray them, even though they are posing as if they are also wanting to give them a voice, so little wonder they are refusing to engage. Or to put it in a slightly more scientific context - who has the least sand in their fanny
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2024 19:18:19 GMT
Unbelievably stupid and in a way you can feel sorry for him but even though he is obviously thicker than a whale omelette, he is clearly a very nasty piece of work, regardless.
Hard to see, how he isn't, at the very least, going to lose his job but it's hard to find much sympathy for him.
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Post by wannabee on May 18, 2024 20:43:05 GMT
Unbelievably stupid and in a way you can feel sorry for him but even though he is obviously thicker than a whale omelette, he is clearly a very nasty piece of work, regardless. Hard to see, how he isn't, at the very least, going to lose his job but it's hard to find much sympathy for him. Just about the level of lack of intelligence you'd expect from an Arsenal Fan impugning something was said which wasn't The commentary in the tweet is completely accurate but some people can't be helped
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 20, 2024 2:13:06 GMT
I really am coming round to the belief that Morgan actually does get it now ...
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