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May 20, 2024 6:42:11 GMT
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Post by andystokey on May 20, 2024 6:42:11 GMT
I would be shocked if she wasn’t either the next Tory leader or the one after that to be honest. I mean, who else is left? Hunt? Gullis? The relatively competent Penny Mordaunt would be a better choice and is not part of the Lunatic Fringe..... yea, you're right, Cruella it is. I think Kemi Badenoch is the one who is quietly building the constituency. She understands the culture war buttons to press and sounds acceptable, deep down I think she's far more ruthless. The Right will rally around her and Suella will be rewarded with a top job in the shadow cabinet.
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May 20, 2024 11:51:31 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on May 20, 2024 11:51:31 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 20, 2024 12:43:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69038760The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas's leader in Gaza, Yahya SinwarKarim Khan also says he's seeking the arrest warrants of Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Mohammed al-Masri, and Israeli defence minister Yoav GallantKhan says he has "reasonable grounds to believe" the men bear responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanityIn the Hamas leaders' case, the alleged crimes begin "from at least 7 October 2023"In the Israeli leaders' case, the alleged crimes begin "from at least 8 October 2023"Israeli politicians condemned the decision to apply for a warrant for Netanyahu, with war cabinet minister Benny Gantz calling it a "deep distortion of justice" I can't see Prestwich post above so delete if its the same thing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 20, 2024 13:25:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69038760The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas's leader in Gaza, Yahya SinwarKarim Khan also says he's seeking the arrest warrants of Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Mohammed al-Masri, and Israeli defence minister Yoav GallantKhan says he has "reasonable grounds to believe" the men bear responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanityIn the Hamas leaders' case, the alleged crimes begin "from at least 7 October 2023"In the Israeli leaders' case, the alleged crimes begin "from at least 8 October 2023"Israeli politicians condemned the decision to apply for a warrant for Netanyahu, with war cabinet minister Benny Gantz calling it a "deep distortion of justice" I can't see Prestwich post above so delete if its the same thing. Hard to underestimate, just how massive this actually is. Despite huge threats, the ICC has stood it's ground. You just watch now, as history suddenly begins to get rewritten, as the likes of Cameron and Blinken start shitting themselves ...
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May 20, 2024 14:02:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 14:02:52 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69038760The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas's leader in Gaza, Yahya SinwarKarim Khan also says he's seeking the arrest warrants of Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyeh, Mohammed al-Masri, and Israeli defence minister Yoav GallantKhan says he has "reasonable grounds to believe" the men bear responsibility for war crimes and crimes against humanityIn the Hamas leaders' case, the alleged crimes begin "from at least 7 October 2023"In the Israeli leaders' case, the alleged crimes begin "from at least 8 October 2023"Israeli politicians condemned the decision to apply for a warrant for Netanyahu, with war cabinet minister Benny Gantz calling it a "deep distortion of justice" I can't see Prestwich post above so delete if its the same thing. Hard to underestimate, just how massive this actually is. Despite huge threats, the ICC has stood it's ground. You just watch now, as history suddenly begins to get rewritten, as the likes of Cameron and Blinken start shitting themselves ... Twelve Republican senators made that threat. There are 100 in office. Republicans don’t even control the Senate. We currently have a DNC majority in the Senate and as a leader of the executive branch. Talk about Twitter propagating bollocks. This Arnaud Bertrand should maybe think about how these 12 Republican senators will prosecute the ICC and their families on an issue that they can’t get a majority for.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 20, 2024 15:27:44 GMT
Hard to underestimate, just how massive this actually is. Despite huge threats, the ICC has stood it's ground. You just watch now, as history suddenly begins to get rewritten, as the likes of Cameron and Blinken start shitting themselves ... Twelve Republican senators made that threat. There are 100 in office. Republicans don’t even control the Senate. We currently have a DNC majority in the Senate and as a leader of the executive branch. Talk about Twitter propagating bollocks. This Arnaud Bertrand should maybe think about how these 12 Republican senators will prosecute the ICC and their families on an issue that they can’t get a majority for. Mate, I would end up completely spamming this thread, if I posted all the threats that have been made just in the last few hours, here are just three. This sends out a huge (and brave) message to the likes of Biden and Cameron. It's going to be extremely hard to justify continuing to supply arms to a nation whose leaders have been indicted for war crimes. The ICC is essentially standing up to Israel, which very few world leaders have had the courage to do.
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May 20, 2024 19:15:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 19:15:17 GMT
Twelve Republican senators made that threat. There are 100 in office. Republicans don’t even control the Senate. We currently have a DNC majority in the Senate and as a leader of the executive branch. Talk about Twitter propagating bollocks. This Arnaud Bertrand should maybe think about how these 12 Republican senators will prosecute the ICC and their families on an issue that they can’t get a majority for. Mate, I would end up completely spamming this thread, if I posted all the threats that have been made just in the last few hours, here are just three. This sends out a huge (and brave) message to the likes of Biden and Cameron. It's going to be extremely hard to justify continuing to supply arms to a nation whose leaders have been indicted for war crimes. The ICC is essentially standing up to Israel, which very few world leaders have had the courage to do. But it isn’t “the US”, it’s a subset of politicians who aren’t in the majority of their house, in a democracy that consists of three branches of power, two of which are run by the DNC. Graham (one of the 12) can say all he likes but he’s a warmongering turd that just unfortunately gets elected. They are wankers but they are not “the US” as the tweet is portraying and I believe that is a very important distinction. Now, Biden may well come out with the same rhetoric (wouldn’t surprise me) and that would be a very different story. Edit: Biden actually has come out and said something now. He’s called it outrageous to compare Hamas and Israel. He hasn’t threatened the ICC or their families.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 20, 2024 21:07:17 GMT
Mate, I would end up completely spamming this thread, if I posted all the threats that have been made just in the last few hours, here are just three. This sends out a huge (and brave) message to the likes of Biden and Cameron. It's going to be extremely hard to justify continuing to supply arms to a nation whose leaders have been indicted for war crimes. The ICC is essentially standing up to Israel, which very few world leaders have had the courage to do. But it isn’t “the US”, it’s a subset of politicians who aren’t in the majority of their house, in a democracy that consists of three branches of power, two of which are run by the DNC. Graham (one of the 12) can say all he likes but he’s a warmongering turd that just unfortunately gets elected. They are wankers but they are not “the US” as the tweet is portraying and I believe that is a very important distinction. Now, Biden may well come out with the same rhetoric (wouldn’t surprise me) and that would be a very different story. Edit: Biden actually has come out and said something now. He’s called it outrageous to compare Hamas and Israel. He hasn’t threatened the ICC or their families. With the greatest of respect CS, I think you're massively missing the point here. Khan as you can see in this clip, is clearly terrified at what the future holds for himself, his colleagues and their families. It would be totally niave, to believe that international rules of fairness and integrity apply, in response to them stepping into the arena that they have. They must have thought long and hard about taking the action that they have, knowing full well, that they are going to be left totally isolated, with absolutely NOBODY watching their back. Their 'punishment' for their actions might not come in the next 6 months, it might not even come in the next 10 years but it is a fear they are now (justifiably) going to have to carry for the rest of their lives. These are extremely brave people, who didn't have to make the stand that they have but they are clearly people of conscious, who nevermind being brave now, might ultimately be proven to be recorded in future history books, as actual heroes. Target on his back ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 21, 2024 5:43:15 GMT
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Post by andystokey on May 21, 2024 7:19:54 GMT
They've all been called out for being in a hole so deep they have no common sense way out. The US has a position of not respecting any law makers that aren't US based anyway. Evidently if you are mutilated, murdered, raped or treated inhumanely by your oppressor, you should ask your oppressor to investigate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 21, 2024 10:32:07 GMT
Don't forget that the US and the UK were big supporters of the ICC when they were looking for arrest warrants for Putin to be issued ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 21, 2024 10:34:55 GMT
They make it up as they go along. I honestly think there will be books written in 10/20 years time scathing about the cult of Zionism, it's mental.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 21, 2024 10:44:06 GMT
They make it up as they go along. I honestly think there will be books written in 10/20 years time scathing about the cult of Zionism, it's mental. Oh indeed the ICC was clearly never created to go after upstanding friends of America but rather, it was created to go after leaders who won't play ball in Africa and thugs like Putin ...
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Post by andystokey on May 21, 2024 12:42:18 GMT
They make it up as they go along. I honestly think there will be books written in 10/20 years time scathing about the cult of Zionism, it's mental. Oh indeed the ICC was clearly never created to go after upstanding friends of America but rather, it was created to go after leaders who won't play ball in Africa and thugs like Putin ... How governments of all creeds and nations would prefer a judociary that interpret legislature to suit the states in control, we see it on our own small island. Without and independent judiciary democracy does not exist. As Khan says this judiciary was set up to interpret and judge based on the laws that they collectively subscribed to. The ICC didn't make up the laws. Sadly the US, Isreal in 2002 the Russia 2016 chose to tell the UN they are no longer accountable for genocide, war crimes or crimes against humanity to the ICC. That in itself should tell us everything about them.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 21, 2024 16:00:31 GMT
What he's saying is complete common sense but the media don't want it to be pointed out ...
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Post by spitthedog on May 21, 2024 23:30:04 GMT
What he's saying is complete common sense but the media don't want it to be pointed out ... This is so utterly depressing. How can anyone argue with the point he is making and yet our British media clearly will not tolerate it. The media cannot handle any reasoned debate. The point he is making about judging each of their crimes on its 'merits' is so damn reasonable and yet is reacted to with hysteria by our authorities and media.
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Post by wannabee on May 22, 2024 2:10:06 GMT
What he's saying is complete common sense but the media don't want it to be pointed out ... This is so utterly depressing. How can anyone argue with the point he is making and yet our British media clearly will not tolerate it. The media cannot handle any reasoned debate. The point he is making about judging each of their crimes on its 'merits' is so damn reasonable and yet is reacted to with hysteria by our authorities and media. The whole conflict narrative is a fiction of words I won't bother to enumerate the number of International Laws which Israel has broken in this engagement, you either accept it or you don't. The biggest fiction which Western Countries are using as cover to justify at a minimum War Crimes but in reality Genocide is the oft trotted out trope "Israel has the right to defend itself" But who is Israel defending itself against? Hamas committed a Terrorist attack on October 7 no-one denies that. Since 1967 after the 6 day War when Israel defeated Egypt, Israel has complete control of Gaza The fact that in 2005 Israel decided to try a different strategy and instead of occupying Gaza Militarily, instead enforced a physical Blockade behind a 7 metre Steel Wall and control of all of the entries in and out from the South to Egypt and to the North Israel. Israel also controls Gaza's Air Space and Territorial waters So de facto Gaza became a part of Israel albeit it's inhabitants were quarantined to live in a specified area as are the Palestinians in the West Bank who are controlled by an occupying Army. When post October 7 Israel disrupted and continues to disrupt Electricity, Water, Food and Fuel Supplies to Gaza it was proof positive a collective punishment of a Territory which Israel controls was taking place. What is sickeningly hypocritical of Western Countries is that they rightly condemn and correctly call the Genocide of Rohingya people in Myanmar and the Genocide of Uyghurs in China but categorically fail to condemn Israel for the same Genocidal atrocities in Gaza. The only difference is that Israel is an allay of the West and China and Myanmar are not. Lest there be any doubt China and Myanmar are Countries with an appalling Human Rights record against Ethnic Minorities as is Israel. So to repeat the question "Who has Israel got the right to defend itself against?" Neither US or UK recognise Palestine as an Independent Country so it can't be them. Hamas has been proscribed as a Terrorist Organisation by the US and UK so it must be them. So by default we have a Terrorist Organisation operating in an area under the control of Israel. Pre October 7 Israel estimated there were 30,000 Hamas insurgents in Gaza or just over 1% of the 2.3M Population. Is it credible that Western Countries/Leaders stand over the Collective Punishment of 99% of Gazans that are not insurgents but are being subjected to Death, Injury, Starvation and Dehydration and many associated long term affects. Why would Western Countries cry foul when the ICC issues arrest warrants for Hamas Leaders and Netanyahu and Gallant? Is it because ICC was designed for Moral Outrage against African Despots but not Western Warmongers? Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton. For Decades US has been the sole Superpower and Sheriff, a previous Superpower Britain has been it's poodle. Those Decades have ushered in a Moral decay without the benefit of previous Statemen. The promotion of Greed over Good has left an irreversible indelible mark. As the Power balance shifts towards China and to a lesser extent India to become the dominant Superpowers they will be no better or no worse but the US and the West generally will have no moral high ground to point to as new alliances are formed. I shall be glad not to be around to witness it.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 22, 2024 10:28:27 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2024 19:00:29 GMT
Johnson acting like the Mafia boss of the world!
There will never be peace in Palestine until the US says no to Israel ...
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 23, 2024 19:06:35 GMT
Johnson acting like the Mafia boss of the world! There will never be peace in Palestine until the US says no to Israel ... Yet they were cheerleading when they asked one for Putin.
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May 23, 2024 21:35:23 GMT
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2024 21:35:23 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 23, 2024 21:54:46 GMT
They seem like a nice bunch. Strong EDL vibes coming from the pro-Israel lot there it has to be said.......
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2024 21:59:15 GMT
They seem like a nice bunch. Strong EDL vibes coming from the pro-Israel lot there it has to be said....... "They smelt of pubs And Wormwood Scrubs And ..."
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Post by gawa on May 24, 2024 9:48:19 GMT
Some more counter protests to the "hate marches"
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May 24, 2024 10:08:37 GMT
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Post by knype on May 24, 2024 10:08:37 GMT
They seem like a nice bunch. Strong EDL vibes coming from the pro-Israel lot there it has to be said....... "They smelt of pubs And Wormwood Scrubs And ..." Anything wrong with that ?
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May 24, 2024 10:08:54 GMT
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Post by knype on May 24, 2024 10:08:54 GMT
They seem like a nice bunch. Strong EDL vibes coming from the pro-Israel lot there it has to be said....... What EDL ?
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May 24, 2024 12:44:29 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2024 12:44:29 GMT
"They smelt of pubs And Wormwood Scrubs And ..." Anything wrong with that ? Too many right wing meetings? Yeah, I'd say so.
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Post by andystokey on May 24, 2024 12:49:27 GMT
Some more counter protests to the "hate marches" I think the bald bloke has lost his cat.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 24, 2024 13:29:51 GMT
ICJ has ordered Israel to halt military offensive in Rafah.
13 to 2.
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May 24, 2024 13:35:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 13:35:23 GMT
ICJ has ordered Israel to halt military offensive in Rafah. 13 to 2. A moral decision. However, it’s not one that is likely to be adhered to or enforced.
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