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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 10:50:30 GMT
I’m struggling to understand why anyone would film that little girl’s grief. How exploitive. So the world gets to see, acknowledge and (hopefully) understand what they're going through. The Pulitzer Prize winning photograph of Phan Thi Kim Phuc in Vietnam, is one of the most famous and well recognised photographs of all time, even though it is an utterly horrific scene that is captured. I won't post it here, as I assume most people will be more than familiar with it. The worst thing that anybody can do (imho), is to look away and ignore what is taking place in Palestine.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 15, 2024 10:59:12 GMT
I’m struggling to understand why anyone would film that little girl’s grief. How exploitive. So the world gets to see, acknowledge and (hopefully) understand what they're going through. The Pulitzer Prize winning photograph of Phan Thi Kim Phuc in Vietnam, is one of the most famous and well recognised photographs of all time, even though it is an utterly horrific scene that is captured. I won't post it here, as I assume most people will be more than familiar with it. The worst thing that anybody can do (imho), is to look away and ignore what is taking place in Palestine. I don’t think you need to ignore it. There’s plenty of images of death and destruction. I don’t think that filming a child who’s lost their parents is going to sway public opinion more. I do think it will be a nice payday for the cameraman though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 11:09:21 GMT
So the world gets to see, acknowledge and (hopefully) understand what they're going through. The Pulitzer Prize winning photograph of Phan Thi Kim Phuc in Vietnam, is one of the most famous and well recognised photographs of all time, even though it is an utterly horrific scene that is captured. I won't post it here, as I assume most people will be more than familiar with it. The worst thing that anybody can do (imho), is to look away and ignore what is taking place in Palestine. I don’t think you need to ignore it. There’s plenty of images of death and destruction. I don’t think that filming a child who’s lost their parents is going to sway public opinion more. I do think it will be a nice payday for the cameraman though. I think you're flat out wrong. The picture I mentioned above had a huge impact on public opinion. If you seriously believe that somebody filmed the video that I posted, with the primary intention of seeking monetary gain from doing so, then sorry, I'm afraid you're demonstrating a complete disconnect from what is happening on the ground. These people are starving and being bombed back to the stoneage in a place where international reporters and TV crews are banned. They're attempting to get their suffering and plight to the attention of the outside world through whatever medium is available to them. By the time these videos could even make it into the hands of anybody who might want to offer money for them, they've already been shared around the world several thousand times, rendering them virtually worthless. What is happening in Palestine right now, will be recorded in the history books of future generations, as being the first genocide to ever be recorded in real time, not by ABC, not by CNN, not by the BBC but by the actual people who were being slaughtered themselves.
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Post by lordb on May 15, 2024 11:13:45 GMT
So the world gets to see, acknowledge and (hopefully) understand what they're going through. The Pulitzer Prize winning photograph of Phan Thi Kim Phuc in Vietnam, is one of the most famous and well recognised photographs of all time, even though it is an utterly horrific scene that is captured. I won't post it here, as I assume most people will be more than familiar with it. The worst thing that anybody can do (imho), is to look away and ignore what is taking place in Palestine. I don’t think you need to ignore it. There’s plenty of images of death and destruction. I don’t think that filming a child who’s lost their parents is going to sway public opinion more. I do think it will be a nice payday for the cameraman though. Don’t agree It's absolutely vital that the impact on humanity is kept front and centre
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Post by cvillestokie on May 15, 2024 11:18:54 GMT
I don’t think you need to ignore it. There’s plenty of images of death and destruction. I don’t think that filming a child who’s lost their parents is going to sway public opinion more. I do think it will be a nice payday for the cameraman though. I think you're flat out wrong. The picture I mentioned above had a huge impact on public opinion. If you seriously believe that somebody filmed the video that I posted, with the primary intention of seeking monetary gain from doing so, then sorry, I'm afraid you're demonstrating a complete disconnect from what is happening on the ground. These people are starving and being bombed back to the stoneage in a place where international reporters and TV crews are banned. They're attempting to get their suffering and plight to the attention of the outside world through whatever medium is available to them. By the time these videos could even make it into the hands of anybody who might want to offer money for them, they've already been shared around the world several thousand times, rendering them virtually worthless. What is happening in Palestine right now, will be recorded in the history books of future generations, as being the first genocide to ever be recorded in real time, not by ABC, not by CNN, not by the BBC but by the actual people who were being slaughtered themselves. Then we’ll have to disagree. I think that there are plenty of ways to highlight the genocide happening in Gaza. Has this video shifted public sentiment to the degree that the war will no longer be waged? Will protests double in size and finally shift UK and US policy? No? Then all that this has achieved is to take a moment of personal grief and tragedy and broadcast it to the world - likely without anyone’s permission. Comparing this to truly impactful journalism doesn’t seem like an appropriate comparison. P.s., Views on twitter etc = money. They also = more job opportunities. For you, it’s had the intended effect. For me, it hasn’t.
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Post by OldStokie on May 15, 2024 12:06:25 GMT
Those settlers who destroyed that convoy of food should have been shot on sight. The vile bastards not only deprived 1000's of innocent starving Palestinians, they also destroyed food that could have been fed to the hostages. They're a brain dead bunch of extreme Zionists, exactly the same as those in power who have disproportionately committed genocide throughout Gaza after the Oct. 7th massacre. I hate them with a passion!
OS.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 12:07:02 GMT
I think you're flat out wrong. The picture I mentioned above had a huge impact on public opinion. If you seriously believe that somebody filmed the video that I posted, with the primary intention of seeking monetary gain from doing so, then sorry, I'm afraid you're demonstrating a complete disconnect from what is happening on the ground. These people are starving and being bombed back to the stoneage in a place where international reporters and TV crews are banned. They're attempting to get their suffering and plight to the attention of the outside world through whatever medium is available to them. By the time these videos could even make it into the hands of anybody who might want to offer money for them, they've already been shared around the world several thousand times, rendering them virtually worthless. What is happening in Palestine right now, will be recorded in the history books of future generations, as being the first genocide to ever be recorded in real time, not by ABC, not by CNN, not by the BBC but by the actual people who were being slaughtered themselves. Then we’ll have to disagree. I think that there are plenty of ways to highlight the genocide happening in Gaza. Has this video shifted public sentiment to the degree that the war will no longer be waged? Will protests double in size and finally shift UK and US policy? No? Then all that this has achieved is to take a moment of personal grief and tragedy and broadcast it to the world - likely without anyone’s permission. Comparing this to truly impactful journalism doesn’t seem like an appropriate comparison. P.s., Views on twitter etc = money. They also = more job opportunities. For you, it’s had the intended effect. For me, it hasn’t. Job opportunities? Many of people you are referring to, don't even know if they're starving child will still be alive when the morning comes, as they shelter in a make shift tent and pray that they don't get bombed (again). Jeez ...
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Post by cvillestokie on May 15, 2024 13:06:39 GMT
Then we’ll have to disagree. I think that there are plenty of ways to highlight the genocide happening in Gaza. Has this video shifted public sentiment to the degree that the war will no longer be waged? Will protests double in size and finally shift UK and US policy? No? Then all that this has achieved is to take a moment of personal grief and tragedy and broadcast it to the world - likely without anyone’s permission. Comparing this to truly impactful journalism doesn’t seem like an appropriate comparison. P.s., Views on twitter etc = money. They also = more job opportunities. For you, it’s had the intended effect. For me, it hasn’t. Job opportunities? Many of people you are referring to, don't even know if they're starving child will still be alive when the morning comes, as they shelter in a make shift tent and pray that they don't get bombed (again). Jeez ...
That is absolutely true. It’s shocking. There are also journalists there who have jobs and release stuff like this. Even in this video at the end you have a guy with a massive press camera. He may be a civilian, who knows. Anyways, I’m done. I’ve said my piece. I’ve been a big contributor to this thread in its condemnation of Israel. However, unless this video was released by her father (maybe it was, then I retract my objection), I think that this content is exploitive and won’t make one iota of a difference to Israel’s continued genocide of Gaza. If the girl does live through this fucked up destruction of Gaza, she’ll now have this lovely reminder on the internet of the worst day of her life, put there without her permission.
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Post by wannabee on May 15, 2024 13:24:05 GMT
Me smoking a cigarette. Israel supporters in this thread are the old man. When you move from Brooklyn and get Free Housing by evicting someone you may need to take up a Hobby to pass the time.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 14:14:00 GMT
Job opportunities? Many of people you are referring to, don't even know if they're starving child will still be alive when the morning comes, as they shelter in a make shift tent and pray that they don't get bombed (again). Jeez ...
That is absolutely true. It’s shocking. There are also journalists there who have jobs and release stuff like this. Even in this video at the end you have a guy with a massive press camera. He may be a civilian, who knows. Anyways, I’m done. I’ve said my piece. I’ve been a big contributor to this thread in its condemnation of Israel. However, unless this video was released by her father (maybe it was, then I retract my objection), I think that this content is exploitive and won’t make one iota of a difference to Israel’s continued genocide of Gaza. If the girl does live through this fucked up destruction of Gaza, she’ll now have this lovely reminder on the internet of the worst day of her life, put there without her permission. There are tens of thousands of videos that have been released over the last few months by a desperate people, attempting to get the world to recognise the utter depravity of the horrors that they are having to endure on a daily basis. The international media aren't able to report it because Israel won't let them in. Without the Palestinians filming the atrocities themselves, then the world would be oblivious to what's actually happening. The shear number of videos coming out, lead to public outrage, which lead to pressure being put on government's, which leads to pressure being put on Israel to end the killing. Just today, the EU has called for Israel to end it's bombing of Rafah with immediate effect, this call is stimulated by the weight of public opinion. And the crazy thing is, the video that has got you triggered so much, is absolutely NOTHING compared to the many much more horrific videos out there. Just today there have been videos posted of terrified parents carrying their children who have had their skulls blown apart, with their brains spilling out over their fingers. Just today, there have been numerous videos of children, who have 80% burns with their skin literally hanging from their limbs. The people aren't recording these videos for (christ alive) profit.
They're recording them, so the world can't pretend that it isn't aware of the genocide that is taking place, they're recording them, so the world can't pretend it's not their problem and they’re recording them, in the hope, that the world is finally forced into growing a fucking backbone for once.
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Post by wannabee on May 15, 2024 19:11:12 GMT
Today 15th May commemorates the 76th Anniversary of Al Nakba but the Land Grab and Ethnic Cleansing began decades before and continues to this day.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 20:07:04 GMT
Those settlers who destroyed that convoy of food should have been shot on sight. The vile bastards not only deprived 1000's of innocent starving Palestinians, they also destroyed food that could have been fed to the hostages. They're a brain dead bunch of extreme Zionists, exactly the same as those in power who have disproportionately committed genocide throughout Gaza after the Oct. 7th massacre. I hate them with a passion! OS.
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Post by wannabee on May 15, 2024 21:14:59 GMT
Those settlers who destroyed that convoy of food should have been shot on sight. The vile bastards not only deprived 1000's of innocent starving Palestinians, they also destroyed food that could have been fed to the hostages. They're a brain dead bunch of extreme Zionists, exactly the same as those in power who have disproportionately committed genocide throughout Gaza after the Oct. 7th massacre. I hate them with a passion! OS. Never Again !
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 22:20:18 GMT
Amazing how much Morgan's understanding of the situation has developed over the last few months.
He genuinely does seem to be getting it now and fair play to him, for not being afraid to shift his opinion.
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Post by musik on May 15, 2024 22:20:49 GMT
Gothenburg - Sweden's second largest city - has decided not to buy, import ANYTHING from a country occupying another country.
This means no import from Russia, Israel or Marocco, according to our morning news. They want this to be spread all around this country. It probably will.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 15, 2024 23:34:39 GMT
Well this is about as scary as it gets's ... we've heard about the *solution* before, haven't we?
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Post by wannabee on May 16, 2024 1:01:50 GMT
Well this is about as scary as it gets's ... we've heard about the *solution* before, haven't we? Like the Holocaust, some people will still deny the intent. Was October 7 a surprise, contrived or convenient?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 16, 2024 1:14:59 GMT
An important, short video ...
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Post by musik on May 16, 2024 7:13:25 GMT
When the man says: "Go to your homes", what does that mean? Aren't they there now?
Where are their "homes"?
I admit I don't know the geography there.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 16, 2024 11:27:39 GMT
When the man says: "Go to your homes", what does that mean? Aren't they there now? Where are their "homes"? I admit I don't know the geography there. He's saying that in his opinion, the Palestinians don't belong there. They can go to wherever (he doesn't care), so long as they don't remain in Gaza.
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Post by musik on May 16, 2024 11:31:47 GMT
Ok, so no solution worth listening to then.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 16, 2024 11:36:34 GMT
Ok, so no solution worth listening to then. Hopefully not but he is a very powerful man, who many Israelis would like to see as a replacement for Netanyahu. As I said, we've seen this type of *solution* proffered before, specifically in 1930'/40's Germany.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 16, 2024 19:52:18 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 0:24:27 GMT
Tens of thousands of children are literally starving to death ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 0:50:07 GMT
Wise and intelligent words ...
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 17, 2024 7:55:51 GMT
Wise and intelligent words ... Fair play to Macklemore
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Post by roylandstoke on May 17, 2024 8:24:58 GMT
Well this is about as scary as it gets's ... we've heard about the *solution* before, haven't we? No one can now have any doubt that a large part o the Israeli government has is totally committed to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the genocide of the Palestinian people. The UN should be using force to prevent this
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May 17, 2024 8:26:05 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 8:26:05 GMT
Wise and intelligent words ... Fair play to Macklemore I think somebody might be about to lose his career ...
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Post by musik on May 17, 2024 10:13:49 GMT
Tens of thousands of children are literally starving to death ... This isn't about war; this isn't about gaining terrain or military posts. This is murder.
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Post by gawa on May 17, 2024 11:56:33 GMT
Respect to them. No point engaging with propagandists
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