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Apr 14, 2024 12:01:21 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2024 12:01:21 GMT
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Post by prettything on Apr 14, 2024 12:04:37 GMT
No worries. Iran are currently reeling and can’t understand how any of their drones and missiles didn’t hit any of their intended targets and were foiled by those dastardly kids again! You really think it wouldn’t be all out war if Iran were serious about attacking the USA’s key ally in the Middle East ? America would be mobilising right now and preparing for an all out attack on Iran by Monday. Instead Biden is using tough rhetoric. This was simply War Games. I think you’re being dramatic. GAWA put a tweet in the Ukraine thread from some fantasist talking about a war with Iran. America wouldn’t mobilise, to me mobilise suggests boots on the ground. Invading Iran would be a massive undertaking with massive losses. Iran has devised a military doctrine and Israel has devised a way to counter it. It’s not a conspiracy. It isn’t a conspiracy, this was a telegraphed attack by Iran. The US, Israel and the UK knew where they were going to strike and at what time. Iran needed to retaliate for many reasons and the US knew this, also. It has happened before and will happen again. Thus,one person injured with a chipped toe nail.
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Apr 14, 2024 12:06:13 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 14, 2024 12:06:13 GMT
We royally fucked up by not building bridges with Iran under the last moderate regime. It's a wonderful country with friendly welcoming people and could be a fantastic trading partner for Britain and Europe. They're also a key stakeholder to potential peace in the Middle East along with a handful of others. The moment has well and truly passed unfortunately and now we're back to radical Islamic ideologues........ By the previous moderate regime to you mean the Shah of Iran? He was a deeply resented American puppet who created the conditions for the current regime. I agree there a many moderate people in Iran but it is the Iranians who need to get rid and of the current regime and if they do I'm sure we will rebuild relations.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 14, 2024 12:10:13 GMT
We royally fucked up by not building bridges with Iran under the last moderate regime. It's a wonderful country with friendly welcoming people and could be a fantastic trading partner for Britain and Europe. They're also a key stakeholder to potential peace in the Middle East along with a handful of others. The moment has well and truly passed unfortunately and now we're back to radical Islamic ideologues........ By the previous moderate regime to you mean the Shah of Iran? He was a deeply resented American puppet who created the conditions for the current regime. I agree there a many moderate people in Iran but it is the Iranians who need to get rid and of the current regime and if they do I'm sure we will rebuild relations. Hassan Rouhani.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 12:10:55 GMT
Yes that’s the whole frigging point of it 🤣 No worries. Iran are currently reeling and can’t understand how any of their drones and missiles didn’t hit any of their intended targets and were foiled by those dastardly kids again! You really think it wouldn’t be all out war if Iran were serious about attacking the USA’s key ally in the Middle East ? America would be mobilising right now and preparing for an all out attack on Iran by Monday. Instead Biden is using tough rhetoric. This was simply War Games. Exactly. This was broadcast on the BBC the day before the response from Iran.
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Apr 14, 2024 12:19:54 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 12:19:54 GMT
Not sure how reliable Apex are but interesting if true ...
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Apr 14, 2024 12:28:21 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2024 12:28:21 GMT
I think you’re being dramatic. GAWA put a tweet in the Ukraine thread from some fantasist talking about a war with Iran. America wouldn’t mobilise, to me mobilise suggests boots on the ground. Invading Iran would be a massive undertaking with massive losses. Iran has devised a military doctrine and Israel has devised a way to counter it. It’s not a conspiracy. It isn’t a conspiracy, this was a telegraphed attack by Iran. The US, Israel and the UK knew where they were going to strike and at what time. Iran needed to retaliate for many reasons and the US knew this, also. It has happened before and will happen again. Thus,one person injured with a chipped toe nail. 🤣sounds like a conspiracy to me.
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Apr 14, 2024 12:35:00 GMT
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Post by prettything on Apr 14, 2024 12:35:00 GMT
It isn’t a conspiracy, this was a telegraphed attack by Iran. The US, Israel and the UK knew where they were going to strike and at what time. Iran needed to retaliate for many reasons and the US knew this, also. It has happened before and will happen again. Thus,one person injured with a chipped toe nail. 🤣sounds like a conspiracy to me. No worries at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 12:46:43 GMT
If I were Israel, I’d be much more worried about the increase in funding and propaganda that Iran will be sending Hezbollah’s way.
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Post by gawa on Apr 14, 2024 13:32:23 GMT
I still don't quite understand how nearly every conflict we've had in the middle east for the last few decades have always come against countries with Shia Muslims.
We make a big deal talking about women not wearing the hijab in Iran. But we rarely hear the media talk about Saudia Arabia or sunni muslim countries and their humans right records. Well we do touch on it while continuing to sell them tons of arms. So effectively supporting those regimes.
I was researching Rwandas history the other day and I find it odd that this is made out to be a democratic state. The country runs a political regime similar to Russia where oppositions are banned, electoral fraud is rife, critics are assasinated or arrested and the same guy and party have led the government since the civil war.
And that guy was backed by the USA and the USA backed Uganda army. A former descendant of the last king and Queen of Rwanda from the tutsi tribe who ran an oppressive regime and would literally defecate in the mouths of Hutu's.
85-90% of Rwanda are Hutu and yet this descendant of Rwanda Tutsi Royalty has ran the country for 30 odd years. And this is the same country our government implies has went from some sort of democratic revolution and is meant to be safe. They're corrupt as fuck.
Just find it baffling that the countries the west seem to have the best relationships with in the middle east tend to be the most oppressive regimes. And those who are more tolerant are the ones we tend to go to war with.
Is it about human rights? Or is it about supporting regimes who hold a tight grip over their populations and smearing anyone who opposes it as a terrorist.
The above are all my own opinions through doing my own research on historical conflicts in the middle east.
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Apr 14, 2024 13:40:27 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Apr 14, 2024 13:40:27 GMT
Regardless of the theatre of the piece and how it all went down and was planned for it’s a very worrying escalation in what is already a tinderbox of a region, an emboldened Iran will worry Pakistan and lead to a build up on that border, while we are busy with the war performance in the Middle East old Pootin can flex his muscle a bit more, China starts looking at Taiwan, The Fat Kim in DPRK will loose a couple of missiles off.
We could do with an alien invasion too sort us all out
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Post by gawa on Apr 14, 2024 14:08:32 GMT
One of the reasons why I'm so opposed to conscription. Even if this guy was conscripted you can sure bet he won't be anywhere near the front line but will leave with the highest accolades and medals.
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Apr 14, 2024 14:16:01 GMT
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Post by superjw on Apr 14, 2024 14:16:01 GMT
One of the reasons why I'm so opposed to conscription. Even if this guy was conscripted you can sure bet he won't be anywhere near the front line but will leave with the highest accolades and medals. Conscription is supposed to be for everybody, unless you are part of the elite then it magically disappears
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 14, 2024 14:23:55 GMT
I still don't quite understand how nearly every conflict we've had in the middle east for the last few decades have always come against countries with Shia Muslims. We make a big deal talking about women not wearing the hijab in Iran. But we rarely hear the media talk about Saudia Arabia or sunni muslim countries and their humans right records. Well we do touch on it while continuing to sell them tons of arms. So effectively supporting those regimes. I was researching Rwandas history the other day and I find it odd that this is made out to be a democratic state. The country runs a political regime similar to Russia where oppositions are banned, electoral fraud is rife, critics are assasinated or arrested and the same guy and party have led the government since the civil war. And that guy was backed by the USA and the USA backed Uganda army. A former descendant of the last king and Queen of Rwanda from the tutsi tribe who ran an oppressive regime and would literally defecate in the mouths of Hutu's. 85-90% of Rwanda are Hutu and yet this descendant of Rwanda Tutsi Royalty has ran the country for 30 odd years. And this is the same country our government implies has went from some sort of democratic revolution and is meant to be safe. They're corrupt as fuck. Just find it baffling that the countries the west seem to have the best relationships with in the middle east tend to be the most oppressive regimes. And those who are more tolerant are the ones we tend to go to war with. Is it about human rights? Or is it about supporting regimes who hold a tight grip over their populations and smearing anyone who opposes it as a terrorist. The above are all my own opinions through doing my own research on historical conflicts in the middle east. Politics are more important than Honesty, decency, integrity, morals etc?
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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2024 14:31:06 GMT
I still don't quite understand how nearly every conflict we've had in the middle east for the last few decades have always come against countries with Shia Muslims. We make a big deal talking about women not wearing the hijab in Iran. But we rarely hear the media talk about Saudia Arabia or sunni muslim countries and their humans right records. Well we do touch on it while continuing to sell them tons of arms. So effectively supporting those regimes. I was researching Rwandas history the other day and I find it odd that this is made out to be a democratic state. The country runs a political regime similar to Russia where oppositions are banned, electoral fraud is rife, critics are assasinated or arrested and the same guy and party have led the government since the civil war. And that guy was backed by the USA and the USA backed Uganda army. A former descendant of the last king and Queen of Rwanda from the tutsi tribe who ran an oppressive regime and would literally defecate in the mouths of Hutu's. 85-90% of Rwanda are Hutu and yet this descendant of Rwanda Tutsi Royalty has ran the country for 30 odd years. And this is the same country our government implies has went from some sort of democratic revolution and is meant to be safe. They're corrupt as fuck. Just find it baffling that the countries the west seem to have the best relationships with in the middle east tend to be the most oppressive regimes. And those who are more tolerant are the ones we tend to go to war with. Is it about human rights? Or is it about supporting regimes who hold a tight grip over their populations and smearing anyone who opposes it as a terrorist. The above are all my own opinions through doing my own research on historical conflicts in the middle east. Politics are more important than Honesty, decency, integrity, morals etc? Nothing surprises me when it comes to politics. I'm more baffled by people's outrage. What's happening in Afghanistan with women's rights or the people that got shafted during the pull out? Ah yes, that was sidelined when the Russia / Ukraine shit started. And then Ukraine was sidelined when the shit with Israel / Palestine started... And now the Palestinian 'genocide' is being sidelined because of this shit with Iran. All part of a bigger picture with people being fed all kinds of bullshit via msm and social media.
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Apr 14, 2024 14:38:23 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 14, 2024 14:38:23 GMT
I still don't quite understand how nearly every conflict we've had in the middle east for the last few decades have always come against countries with Shia Muslims. We make a big deal talking about women not wearing the hijab in Iran. But we rarely hear the media talk about Saudia Arabia or sunni muslim countries and their humans right records. Well we do touch on it while continuing to sell them tons of arms. So effectively supporting those regimes. I was researching Rwandas history the other day and I find it odd that this is made out to be a democratic state. The country runs a political regime similar to Russia where oppositions are banned, electoral fraud is rife, critics are assasinated or arrested and the same guy and party have led the government since the civil war. And that guy was backed by the USA and the USA backed Uganda army. A former descendant of the last king and Queen of Rwanda from the tutsi tribe who ran an oppressive regime and would literally defecate in the mouths of Hutu's. 85-90% of Rwanda are Hutu and yet this descendant of Rwanda Tutsi Royalty has ran the country for 30 odd years. And this is the same country our government implies has went from some sort of democratic revolution and is meant to be safe. They're corrupt as fuck. Just find it baffling that the countries the west seem to have the best relationships with in the middle east tend to be the most oppressive regimes. And those who are more tolerant are the ones we tend to go to war with. Is it about human rights? Or is it about supporting regimes who hold a tight grip over their populations and smearing anyone who opposes it as a terrorist. The above are all my own opinions through doing my own research on historical conflicts in the middle east. You can be as big a twat as you like to your own people so long as you fall in line with the old guard of US/UK good. Fall in line and you can treat your own people however you want.
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Post by foster on Apr 14, 2024 14:43:14 GMT
I still don't quite understand how nearly every conflict we've had in the middle east for the last few decades have always come against countries with Shia Muslims. Easier target aren't they. They won't get much much support from Sunni countries and its easier for some countries in the west to target them, knowing there won't be any real repurcussions. What happened with that Khashoggi assassination at the embassy in Turkey? Oh yeah, the Saudis bought Newcastle football club, started LIV golf, are hosting the 2034 world cup and have continued buying up sporting rights ever since.
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Apr 14, 2024 15:04:28 GMT
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Post by gawa on Apr 14, 2024 15:04:28 GMT
I still don't quite understand how nearly every conflict we've had in the middle east for the last few decades have always come against countries with Shia Muslims. We make a big deal talking about women not wearing the hijab in Iran. But we rarely hear the media talk about Saudia Arabia or sunni muslim countries and their humans right records. Well we do touch on it while continuing to sell them tons of arms. So effectively supporting those regimes. I was researching Rwandas history the other day and I find it odd that this is made out to be a democratic state. The country runs a political regime similar to Russia where oppositions are banned, electoral fraud is rife, critics are assasinated or arrested and the same guy and party have led the government since the civil war. And that guy was backed by the USA and the USA backed Uganda army. A former descendant of the last king and Queen of Rwanda from the tutsi tribe who ran an oppressive regime and would literally defecate in the mouths of Hutu's. 85-90% of Rwanda are Hutu and yet this descendant of Rwanda Tutsi Royalty has ran the country for 30 odd years. And this is the same country our government implies has went from some sort of democratic revolution and is meant to be safe. They're corrupt as fuck. Just find it baffling that the countries the west seem to have the best relationships with in the middle east tend to be the most oppressive regimes. And those who are more tolerant are the ones we tend to go to war with. Is it about human rights? Or is it about supporting regimes who hold a tight grip over their populations and smearing anyone who opposes it as a terrorist. The above are all my own opinions through doing my own research on historical conflicts in the middle east. Politics are more important than Honesty, decency, integrity, morals etc? Of course there are just my opinions from a few hours on Wikipedia. I imagine even I'm only scratching the surface and there are probably people more knowledgeable than myself on the complexities of it. I could be completely barking up the wrong tree here. Very much an opinion piece. With Rwanda though, alot of the stuff I learned is completely different to what we are told. When you read more into the Tutsis, US influence, Uganda etc.. it adds alot more context which we aren't usually provided. And I think through learning stuff like the above it makes me more keen to seek alternative sources on the middle east. Not because I'm an anti western propagandist. But because through being western I've learned about how other countries use propoganda. Other countries have nukes, drones, rockets, spies etc.. too. So it would be pretty dumb for me to be like "oh I'm told we are the land of the free so everything we get told is the truth". The truth tends to be somewhere in the middle. And I think what happened in Sydney yesterday is a good example of that. Even sky news went from "terrorist" to "mentally ill" in their reporting yesterday. And for whatever reason terrorist tends to mean muslim alot these days. Had the Nottingham killer been muslim he'd have been a terrorist rather than mentally ill. And these subtle word associations curated over years in the media is a good example of the sub conscious propoganda which the west uses. The same also goes for the propoganda about it being a jewish perpetrator too.* * Views may be influenced by consumption of marajuana.
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Apr 14, 2024 15:16:19 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 15:16:19 GMT
Politics are more important than Honesty, decency, integrity, morals etc? Of course there are just my opinions from a few hours on Wikipedia. I imagine even I'm only scratching the surface and there are probably people more knowledgeable than myself on the complexities of it. I could be completely barking up the wrong tree here. Very much an opinion piece. With Rwanda though, alot of the stuff I learned is completely different to what we are told. When you read more into the Tutsis, US influence, Uganda etc.. it adds alot more context which we aren't usually provided. And I think through learning stuff like the above it makes me more keen to seek alternative sources on the middle east. Not because I'm an anti western propagandist. But because through being western I've learned about how other countries use propoganda. Other countries have nukes, drones, rockets, spies etc.. too. So it would be pretty dumb for me to be like "oh I'm told we are the land of the free so everything we get told is the truth". The truth tends to be somewhere in the middle. And I think what happened in Sydney yesterday is a good example of that. Even sky news went from "terrorist" to "mentally ill" in their reporting yesterday. And for whatever reason terrorist tends to mean muslim alot these days. Had the Nottingham killer been muslim he'd have been a terrorist rather than mentally ill. And these subtle word associations curated over years in the media is a good example of the sub conscious propoganda which the west uses. The same also goes for the propoganda about it being a jewish perpetrator too.* * Views may be influenced by consumption of marajuana. I think you might find this docu interesting mate ...
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Apr 14, 2024 15:18:44 GMT
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Post by gawa on Apr 14, 2024 15:18:44 GMT
Of course there are just my opinions from a few hours on Wikipedia. I imagine even I'm only scratching the surface and there are probably people more knowledgeable than myself on the complexities of it. I could be completely barking up the wrong tree here. Very much an opinion piece. With Rwanda though, alot of the stuff I learned is completely different to what we are told. When you read more into the Tutsis, US influence, Uganda etc.. it adds alot more context which we aren't usually provided. And I think through learning stuff like the above it makes me more keen to seek alternative sources on the middle east. Not because I'm an anti western propagandist. But because through being western I've learned about how other countries use propoganda. Other countries have nukes, drones, rockets, spies etc.. too. So it would be pretty dumb for me to be like "oh I'm told we are the land of the free so everything we get told is the truth". The truth tends to be somewhere in the middle. And I think what happened in Sydney yesterday is a good example of that. Even sky news went from "terrorist" to "mentally ill" in their reporting yesterday. And for whatever reason terrorist tends to mean muslim alot these days. Had the Nottingham killer been muslim he'd have been a terrorist rather than mentally ill. And these subtle word associations curated over years in the media is a good example of the sub conscious propoganda which the west uses. The same also goes for the propoganda about it being a jewish perpetrator too.* * Views may be influenced by consumption of marajuana. I think you might find this docu interesting mate ... 1 hour 30 mins! Will try to watch later in the week. Nursing my Sunday blues for now
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Post by andystokey on Apr 14, 2024 15:24:45 GMT
Could the US support a retaliatory strike by Isreal on Iran to the industrial base producing the Shahed drones?
It would be a massive OG for Iran. A good hit could not only impact supply to Houthis, Hezbollah but also Russia in Ukraine. Not only that they are getting about $150k in gold from Russia for every one supplied and they have fired 1000s in Ukraine.
I think Russia is now manufacturing copies at home but a good hit would severely restrict supply in multiple theatres.
Must be a tempting win-win.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2024 16:04:36 GMT
One of the reasons why I'm so opposed to conscription. Even if this guy was conscripted you can sure bet he won't be anywhere near the front line but will leave with the highest accolades and medals. The calls for conscription in this country are generally from older fuckers who have never done it themselves and don’t give a shit about the younger generation. Absolute twats.
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Apr 14, 2024 16:29:51 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2024 16:29:51 GMT
Not sure how reliable Apex are but interesting if true ... Might well be true however this is as hawkish an Israeli government as there ever has been They will respond and probably respond by attacking targets in Iran Iran government will then 'have to' respond And so on The West will have all eyes on the Straits of Hormuz, would expect US and it's poodles (sorry strategic partners) to be mobilising ships and planes already
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Post by desman2 on Apr 14, 2024 16:45:32 GMT
One of the reasons why I'm so opposed to conscription. Even if this guy was conscripted you can sure bet he won't be anywhere near the front line but will leave with the highest accolades and medals. The calls for conscription in this country are generally from older fuckers who have never done it themselves and don’t give a shit about the younger generation. Absolute twats. The younger generation haven't done it either. The younger generation have not had to defend anything and just expecting to be given given given. It's only the last 25 years where younger peoples facilities were destroyed. Those facilities were put there by the older fuckers you mention. Even those who are now between say 40 and 80 had parents who had lived through the bad times and reminded us as kids at that time of how to be proud of who you are unlike our modern parents who as I said, have not had to defend anything.
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Apr 14, 2024 16:49:08 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2024 16:49:08 GMT
The calls for conscription in this country are generally from older fuckers who have never done it themselves and don’t give a shit about the younger generation. Absolute twats. The younger generation haven't done it either. The younger generation have not had to defend anything and just expecting to be given given given. It's only the last 25 years where younger peoples facilities were destroyed. Those facilities were put there by the older fuckers you mention. Even those who are now between say 40 and 80 had parents who had lived through the bad times and reminded us as kids at that time of how to be proud of who you are unlike our modern parents who as I said, have not had to defend anything. Boomers are the most entitled handed everything on a plate to them generation.
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Apr 14, 2024 16:55:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 16:55:32 GMT
The calls for conscription in this country are generally from older fuckers who have never done it themselves and don’t give a shit about the younger generation. Absolute twats. The younger generation haven't done it either. The younger generation have not had to defend anything and just expecting to be given given given. It's only the last 25 years where younger peoples facilities were destroyed. Those facilities were put there by the older fuckers you mention. Even those who are now between say 40 and 80 had parents who had lived through the bad times and reminded us as kids at that time of how to be proud of who you are unlike our modern parents who as I said, have not had to defend anything. Then are you saying that the younger generation have been failed by their parents (those aged between 40-80) who have not instilled that sense of pride in their own children?
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Apr 14, 2024 17:02:09 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 14, 2024 17:02:09 GMT
I really hope Israel doesn’t retaliate. It's a perfect opportunity for de-escalation but there's no chance Israel don't 'retaliate'. I sincerely hope they're funding the allies who are protecting them.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 14, 2024 17:53:36 GMT
Israel’s former ambassador to UN saying no choice but to retaliate.
Thick as pig shit.
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Apr 14, 2024 18:29:50 GMT
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Post by superjw on Apr 14, 2024 18:29:50 GMT
One of the reasons why I'm so opposed to conscription. Even if this guy was conscripted you can sure bet he won't be anywhere near the front line but will leave with the highest accolades and medals. The calls for conscription in this country are generally from older fuckers who have never done it themselves and don’t give a shit about the younger generation. Absolute twats. Now that I do agree with you on!
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Apr 14, 2024 18:39:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2024 18:39:51 GMT
The calls for conscription in this country are generally from older fuckers who have never done it themselves and don’t give a shit about the younger generation. Absolute twats. Now that I do agree with you on! You’ve just got to look at the reply to it above. Their parents went through hardship. It’s laughable. You have a generation who didn’t fight a war, bang on about said war and then want to “bring back” national service. Which I read somewhere if the person saying that is under 79 then they wouldn’t have done it themselves. Totally laughable.
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