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Post by stokeson on Apr 14, 2024 18:49:50 GMT
"War is Young men dying and Old men Talking..... Franklin D Roosevelt
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Post by AlliG on Apr 14, 2024 18:56:28 GMT
Now that I do agree with you on! You’ve just got to look at the reply to it above. Their parents went through hardship. It’s laughable. You have a generation who didn’t fight a war, bang on about said war and then want to “bring back” national service. Which I read somewhere if the person saying that is under 79 then they wouldn’t have done it themselves. Totally laughable. Where are all these "Boomers" calling for conscription? My old man was conscripted and sent to Korea where he was almost killed by a Yank (spent 6 weeks in hospital) and he indoctrinated me with his views on conscription. "A bloody stupid idea that should only be considered in extremis". Growing up, the papers used to be full of letters from "Retired Major of Tunbridge Wells" demanding the reintroduction of conscription for the "long haired louts" (i.e. my generation). I must admit I haven't seen any such demands in the last 20 years, presumably since those characters died out.
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 14, 2024 19:12:22 GMT
I really hope Israel doesn’t retaliate. It's a perfect opportunity for de-escalation but there's no chance Israel don't 'retaliate'. I sincerely hope they're funding the allies who are protecting them. Once they build the infrastructure for the oil maybe?
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Apr 14, 2024 21:50:55 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 14, 2024 21:50:55 GMT
Where do Russia and China stand on the Israel/Iran/Gaza issue?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 22:18:06 GMT
Where do Russia and China stand on the Israel/Iran/Gaza issue? Russia unequivocally backs Iran. China has a strict non interference policy but having said that, it is Irans biggest trading partner and buys 90% of it's oil. Both are calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 22:19:58 GMT
A very good point ...
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Post by wannabee on Apr 15, 2024 1:31:22 GMT
The "World Order" is truly Fucked Up in its hypocrisy a) Israel attacks Iranian Sovereign Embassy in Damascus killing 7 b) A Russian Motion to UN condemning the attack is Vetoed by US UK and France - as there isn't clear evidence that Israel carried it out. c) Iran citing Article 51 of UN Charter regarding legitimacy to "Self defence" informs UN it will take action The same convention Israel has used, supported by the majority of Western Countries, to bomb the shit out of Gaza with a death toll currently of Circa 33,000 mostly women and children d) Having choreographed its response beforehand Iran launches a Performative Strike of circa 300 Misiles and Drones towards Israel Having been pre-warned Israel and its Allies US and UK shoot down it is claimed 99% of the Misiles and Drones e) the actions of d) by US and UK show there was no need for hand wringing and urging Israel to show restraint as it was capable of shooting down the Misiles and Drones Israel has reigned down on Gaza killing 33,000 but chose not to. f) Israel is not a member of NATO so US and UK and other NATO Countries don't have a Treaty obligation to defend Israel with direct Air Support but chose to do so. g) Ukraine is also not a NATO member but US and UK choose not to provide direct Air support from Misiles and Drones from Russia but do provide limited Air support for Ukraine to use There are more than 20 conflicts going on in the World at the moment, a majority in Africa and near/far East. Most are scantily reported if at all. Like most modern day conflicts the death toll is mostly from starvation than direct conflict like Sudan currently where 5 Million are facing famine. A huge number of the population where conflicts are occurring flee and set up Refugee Camps at the Countries Borders or just over in the neighbouring Country.When the conflict is unresolved after a few years the fittest and most able commence a perilous journey and become Refugees in Europe/UK and we wonder why. The World is Truly Fucked Up
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 15, 2024 5:33:33 GMT
The "World Order" is truly Fucked Up in its hypocrisy a) Israel attacks Iranian Sovereign Embassy in Damascus killing 7 b) A Russian Motion to UN condemning the attack is Vetoed by US UK and France - as there isn't clear evidence that Israel carried it out. c) Iran citing Article 51 of UN Charter regarding legitimacy to "Self defence" informs UN it will take action The same convention Israel has used, supported by the majority of Western Countries, to bomb the shit out of Gaza with a death toll currently of Circa 33,000 mostly women and children d) Having choreographed its response beforehand Iran launches a Performative Strike of circa 300 Misiles and Drones towards Israel Having been pre-warned Israel and its Allies US and UK shoot down it is claimed 99% of the Misiles and Drones e) the actions of d) by US and UK show there was no need for hand wringing and urging Israel to show restraint as it was capable of shooting down the Misiles and Drones Israel has reigned down on Gaza killing 33,000 but chose not to. f) Israel is not a member of NATO so US and UK and other NATO Countries don't have a Treaty obligation to defend Israel with direct Air Support but chose to do so. g) Ukraine is also not a NATO member but US and UK choose not to provide direct Air support from Misiles and Drones from Russia but do provide limited Air support for Ukraine to use There are more than 20 conflicts going on in the World at the moment, a majority in Africa and near/far East. Most are scantily reported if at all. Like most modern day conflicts the death toll is mostly from starvation than direct conflict like Sudan currently where 5 Million are facing famine. A huge number of the population where conflicts are occurring flee and set up Refugee Camps at the Countries Borders or just over in the neighbouring Country.When the conflict is unresolved after a few years the fittest and most able commence a perilous journey and become Refugees in Europe/UK and we wonder why. The World is Truly Fucked Up There's talks on Sudan today in Paris. Not sure how much was spent on the whole operation at the weekend but the talks will centre around how to raise more funding for Sudan. The amounts raised so far are roughly 10% of what's required. There's always money for missiles.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:12:47 GMT
More Jews being rounded up by the German authorities.
This is a terrible look for Germany, they are so conflicted right now, surely they're not going to end up being on the wrong side of history again ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 15, 2024 10:30:36 GMT
They think we're all mugs. Talks about proportionate response when it's Iran but has no issues with 36,000 Palestinian's been bombed and killed in retaliation for October 7th.
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Apr 15, 2024 10:36:18 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 10:36:18 GMT
More Jews being rounded up by the German authorities. This is a terrible look for Germany, they are so conflicted right now, surely they're not going to end up being on the wrong side of history again ... Only terrible if you're looking for something that isn't there. 1 Jewish protestor doesn't mean anything since the vast majority of the others aren't Jewish.
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Apr 15, 2024 10:40:47 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:40:47 GMT
More Jews being rounded up by the German authorities. This is a terrible look for Germany, they are so conflicted right now, surely they're not going to end up being on the wrong side of history again ... Only terrible if you're looking for something that isn't there. 1 Jewish protestor doesn't mean anything since the vast majority of the others aren't Jewish. You've not been keeping up with the thread then (and you shouldn't be expected to) but this isn't an isolated occurrence of late.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 10:43:37 GMT
They think we're all mugs. Talks about proportionate response when it's Iran but has no issues with 36,000 Palestinian's been bombed and killed in retaliation for October 7th. Well this is it, they genuinely think we ARE all stupid. There can't be any other explanation for him sitting there and believing he can get away with such total guff.
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Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 10:49:04 GMT
Only terrible if you're looking for something that isn't there. 1 Jewish protestor doesn't mean anything since the vast majority of the others aren't Jewish. You've not been keeping up with the thread then (and you shouldn't be expected to) but this isn't an isolated occurrence of late. I did see an earlier tweet that was shared, however I think it's absurd likening German police to the Gestapo or suggesting that they overly target Jewish people. They can't be expected to avoid arresting Jews for something they previously had no involvement with. It's just a case of this historical guilt or whatever it's referred to as. It's a lazy slur in my opinion.
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Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 10:52:43 GMT
They think we're all mugs. Talks about proportionate response when it's Iran but has no issues with 36,000 Palestinian's been bombed and killed in retaliation for October 7th. Well this is it, they genuinely think we ARE all stupid. There can't be any other explanation for him sitting there and believing he can get away with such total guff. Well, we are stupid aren't we? Because all people (in the main) do is whine and argue on social media platforms about politics and meaningless shite, instead of coming together, getting out on the streets and doing something about it. See meaningless posts about German police arresting a jew for example.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
You've not been keeping up with the thread then (and you shouldn't be expected to) but this isn't an isolated occurrence of late. I did see an earlier tweet that was shared, however I think it's absurd likening German police to the Gestapo or suggesting that they overly target Jewish people. They can't be expected to avoid arresting Jews for something they previously had no involvement with. It's just a case of this historical guilt or whatever it's referred to as. It's a lazy slur in my opinion. Only you have mentioned the word Gestapo and only you have used the words 'overly target', the topic is far more nuanced than you think it is. And yes Germany's historic guilt plays straight into this and as a result, you've got Jews being arrested in Germany for apparently being 'anti-semitic'. It's a dreadful look and they know it is. I said in the original post, that Germany is so conflicted right now and for years the policy hasn't really been an issue but the current situation in Gaza has now shone a great big spotlight on the absurdity of their position.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:10:30 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:10:30 GMT
Well this is it, they genuinely think we ARE all stupid. There can't be any other explanation for him sitting there and believing he can get away with such total guff. Well, we are stupid aren't we? Because all people (in the main) do is whine and argue on social media platforms about politics and meaningless shite, instead of coming together, getting out on the streets and doing something about it. See meaningless posts about German police arresting a jew for example. Bad Monday morning Fozzy? Millions of people HAVE been coming together and getting out on the streets ... all over the world actually.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:12:08 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 11:12:08 GMT
I did see an earlier tweet that was shared, however I think it's absurd likening German police to the Gestapo or suggesting that they overly target Jewish people. They can't be expected to avoid arresting Jews for something they previously had no involvement with. It's just a case of this historical guilt or whatever it's referred to as. It's a lazy slur in my opinion. Only you have mentioned the word Gestapo and only you have used the words 'overly target', the topic is far more nuanced than you think it is. And yes Germany's historic guilt plays straight into this and as a result, you've got Jews being arrested in Germany for apparently being 'anti-semitic'. It's a dreadful look and they know it is. I said in the original post, that Germany is so conflicted right now and for years the policy hasn't really been an issue but the current situation in Gaza has now shone a great big spotlight on the absurdity of their position. Arresting Jews for being anti-semitic? I'm not buying it. But by all means continue to be upset by it.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:12:44 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 11:12:44 GMT
Well, we are stupid aren't we? Because all people (in the main) do is whine and argue on social media platforms about politics and meaningless shite, instead of coming together, getting out on the streets and doing something about it. See meaningless posts about German police arresting a jew for example. Bad Monday morning Fozzy? Millions of people HAVE been coming together and getting out on the streets ... all over the world actually. Clearly not enough though.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:15:04 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:15:04 GMT
Only you have mentioned the word Gestapo and only you have used the words 'overly target', the topic is far more nuanced than you think it is. And yes Germany's historic guilt plays straight into this and as a result, you've got Jews being arrested in Germany for apparently being 'anti-semitic'. It's a dreadful look and they know it is. I said in the original post, that Germany is so conflicted right now and for years the policy hasn't really been an issue but the current situation in Gaza has now shone a great big spotlight on the absurdity of their position. Arresting Jews for being anti-semitic? I'm not buying it. But by all means continue to be upset by it. That's EXACTLY what is happening and that's where the confliction comes in.
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Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 11:19:13 GMT
Arresting Jews for being anti-semitic? I'm not buying it. But by all means continue to be upset by it. That's EXACTLY what is happening and that's where the confliction comes in. Sorry Paul, but it'll take more than a couple of videos on X to convince me of that, and a hell of a lot more arrests of Jews (in their masses) to convince me further that it's even worse debating.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:25:38 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 11:25:38 GMT
That's EXACTLY what is happening and that's where the confliction comes in. Sorry Paul, but it'll take more than a couple of videos on X to convince me of that, and a hell of a lot more arrests of Jews (in their masses) to convince me further that it's even worse debating. You're more than welcome to do your own research of course ...
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Post by superjw on Apr 15, 2024 12:00:50 GMT
They think we're all mugs. Talks about proportionate response when it's Iran but has no issues with 36,000 Palestinian's been bombed and killed in retaliation for October 7th. It’s almost laughable watching hypocrisy in action. Almost as if defending oneself and retaliating is only allowed when it’s certain states or countries… By their own logic, Gaza has a right to retaliate aligned with their “proportionality”
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Post by andystokey on Apr 15, 2024 12:26:28 GMT
They think we're all mugs. Talks about proportionate response when it's Iran but has no issues with 36,000 Palestinian's been bombed and killed in retaliation for October 7th. It’s almost laughable watching hypocrisy in action. Almost as if defending oneself and retaliating is only allowed when it’s certain states or countries… By their own logic, Gaza has a right to retaliate aligned with their “proportionality” Ed Balls did him up like a kipper this morning. Paraphrasing "Last week you said we should consider the legality of selling arms to Isreal given their record in Gaza. "Today we are happy to use RAF aircraft to get involved and fight with Isreal Does this not make the first point untenable?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 13:55:46 GMT
A very interesting take on the Iran strike ...
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Apr 15, 2024 14:18:07 GMT
Post by foster on Apr 15, 2024 14:18:07 GMT
A very interesting take on the Iran strike ... I'm quite confident that without the US, Israel would be quickly and quite easily wiped off the map. They may have nuclear capabilities but they won't be able to launch these on their own territory if there were some kind of land invasion. They seem like a bit of a sitting duck to me with only an iron dome and the threat of the US to protect them. How is Israel seriously expecting to continue exist in the long term with all their enemies increasing their assault capabilities. I just can't see it happening unless Israel expands massively and rapidly to increase it's land space..... which they seem to doing now by taking over Gaza and the West Bank.
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Apr 15, 2024 14:44:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 14:44:05 GMT
A very interesting take on the Iran strike ... I'm quite confident that without the US, Israel would be quickly and quite easily wiped off the map. They may have nuclear capabilities but they won't be able to launch these on their own territory if there were some kind of land invasion. They seem like a bit of a sitting duck to me with only an iron dome and the threat of the US to protect them. How is Israel seriously expecting to continue exist in the long term with all their enemies increasing their assault capabilities. I just can't see it happening unless Israel expands massively and rapidly to increase it's land space..... which they seem to doing now by taking over Gaza and the West Bank. If only they could just grow up as a Nation and build positive relationships with their neighbors instead of committing genocides and/or invasions. In the 21st century, the best way to protect yourself is through trade. You make a nation so closely related to you that they have no interest in disrupting their own prosperity by going to war.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 15, 2024 15:25:48 GMT
I did see an earlier tweet that was shared, however I think it's absurd likening German police to the Gestapo or suggesting that they overly target Jewish people. They can't be expected to avoid arresting Jews for something they previously had no involvement with. It's just a case of this historical guilt or whatever it's referred to as. It's a lazy slur in my opinion. Only you have mentioned the word Gestapo and only you have used the words 'overly target', the topic is far more nuanced than you think it is. And yes Germany's historic guilt plays straight into this and as a result, you've got Jews being arrested in Germany for apparently being 'anti-semitic'. It's a dreadful look and they know it is. I said in the original post, that Germany is so conflicted right now and for years the policy hasn't really been an issue but the current situation in Gaza has now shone a great big spotlight on the absurdity of their position.This is exactly Germany's problem For years German policy, through collective responsibility for the Holocaust, has declared Israel’s security to be a raison d’etre for the German Republic or in German Staatsräson. As you say this hasn't really come into conflict up to now but events in Gaza turns the Spotlight on how absurd that Policy is when it conflicts with International Law The younger Generation of Germans do not share that collective responsibility for the Holocaust and are not prepared to see another Genocide take place with Germany's collusion
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Apr 15, 2024 15:29:24 GMT
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Post by gawa on Apr 15, 2024 15:29:24 GMT
Was only a matter of time until the Saudis got involved. Another country which has used starvation to kill innocent children in recent years.
But Iran is allegedly the threat. How much blood does Iran have on its hands in recent years?
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Apr 15, 2024 15:35:35 GMT
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Post by serpico on Apr 15, 2024 15:35:35 GMT
Totally obvious Israel hit the Iranian embassy hoping for a response from Tehran, why would Israel want to widen the war at a time when they are carrying out a full scale assault on Gaza ? It makes no sense unless you see it for what it is, an attempt by the Likudniks to bring the US in to attack Iran, Netenyahu openly brags about how easy it is to move America in Israel’s favour, it’s quite bizarre how much influence Israel has over the US, Israel is basically a piddly little country that has no value to US interests yet the US treats it as if it the 51st state!
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