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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 29, 2024 8:43:51 GMT
Getting the last word in , doesn't mean you've won the argument. Nor lost it.
A general observation.
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Feb 29, 2024 8:47:42 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 29, 2024 8:47:42 GMT
Can an entire European nation be accused of being antisemitic? I am sure they can be but they shouldn’t be for introducing sanctions to try to apply pressure on Israel to stop their attacks on Palestine. Ed Davey has called for sanctions on right wing Israelis too.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 29, 2024 8:50:00 GMT
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Post by felonious on Feb 29, 2024 8:56:11 GMT
Getting the last word in , doesn't mean you've won the argument. Nor lost it. A general observation. You're wasting your time we've been here before so many times and of course you and I both have useful work to be getting on with....... I don't believe we've got anywhere near the last leg of these replies
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 29, 2024 9:26:24 GMT
Was the anc justified in what it did I don’t know, start a thread about it. Do you think Hamas are blameless in the Middle East conflict? You full well know I have condemned the hamas actions last year I’m just interested in your stance on terrorist organisations If you abhor all political violence or or is it subjective to who is doing it or who it is against
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 29, 2024 9:29:22 GMT
Can an entire European nation be accused of being antisemitic? I am sure they can be but they shouldn’t be for introducing sanctions to try to apply pressure on Israel to stop their attacks on Palestine. Ed Davey has called for sanctions on right wing Israelis too. Ed davey is pretty much irrelevant And he really should be spending his time digging himself out of the post office scandal
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 9:40:51 GMT
Getting the last word in , doesn't mean you've won the argument. Nor lost it. A general observation. You're wasting your time we've been here before so many times and of course you and I both have useful work to be getting on with....... I don't believe we've got anywhere near the last leg of these replies
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 9:44:33 GMT
Was the anc justified in what it did I don’t know, start a thread about it. Do you think Hamas are blameless in the Middle East conflict? Why would you need to start a new thread about the ANC, the point wagastokie makes is relevant to the debate? Everyone on here has condemned Hamas' actions on October 7th as far as I'm aware. You shouldn't have to make it a precursor to every post from thereon in........
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 29, 2024 11:48:51 GMT
See how it works?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 29, 2024 12:05:35 GMT
Yep. Look at Wes Streeting nodding in an agreement behind him and yet he's one of the worst of the lot now. Sold their principles and sold their souls, it's utterly sickening.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 29, 2024 12:08:44 GMT
I think you're deliberately Gaslighting now Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing two sides of the same coin While ethnic cleansing and genocide may share the same goal and methods (e.g., forced displacement), ethnic cleansing is intended to displace a persecuted population from a given territory, while genocide is intended to destroy a group.The Nakba in 1948 was the beginning of Palestinian Displacement the next major displacements took place in 1967 and 1973 As of today about half the Palestinian Population of 14 Million have been displaced. The Majority in Refugee Camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. They are prohibited to return to Palestine to reclaim their lands which were confiscated Of the other 7 Million, 2 Million live in Gaza in an open Prison turned to Rubble, 3 Million live in the West Bank under Occupation and 2 Million in Israel both of these groups are living in an Apartheid State as Second Class Citizens View AttachmentSo the people displaced according to this map would only have been forced to move somewhere else? Which goes to show what a disastrous decision it was to create an artificial State of Israel in Palestine The Father of Modern Zionism Theodore Herzl presented to the the World Zionist Organization's Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903 in Basel a proposal by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to establisha JewishHomeland which is now part of Kenya.. After much debate the vote to consider the proposal was carried by a 2/3 Majority. So in effect there was no particular imperative to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine the overriding reason to create a Jewish Homeland being Anti-semitism in EUROPE where Zionists felt they would never be allowed to assimilate NOT in Arab States In fac as your Map shows Jews lived happily in Arab States for hundreds if not thousands of years The catalyst for antagonism by Arab States was Western UK US imposing a displacement of their Palestinian Fraternal Brothers from the homes they had occupied for centuries As you enjoy Maps the one below shows how the progressive Land Grab has been so successful and now Israel controls all of Palestine in one way or another. The completion of the exercise will be when those remaining Palestinians Fuck Off or are Killed Off. It seems incongruous to me that "The West" Countries and some Citizens have a Major Problem with a Russian Land Grab and are prepared to pour $ Billions to support the defender but takes a 180 Degree view in Palestine Attachment Deleted
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 29, 2024 12:09:11 GMT
Yep. Look at Wes Streeting nodding in an agreement behind him and yet he's one of the worst of the lot now. Sold their principles and sold their souls, it's utterly sickening. I have a funny feeling that the bloke behind the expulsions and increase in Zionist support is Luke Akehurst... a vile little man.
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Post by gawa on Feb 29, 2024 12:18:53 GMT
Why didn't he condemn hamas for October 7th 2023 in that video? That's when all this started I thought?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 29, 2024 12:22:57 GMT
View AttachmentSo the people displaced according to this map would only have been forced to move somewhere else? Which goes to show what a disastrous decision it was to create an artificial State of Israel in Palestine The Father of Modern Zionism Theodore Herzl presented to the the World Zionist Organization's Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903 in Basel a proposal by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to establisha JewishHomeland which is now part of Kenya.. After much debate the vote to consider the proposal was carried by a 2/3 Majority. So in effect there was no particular imperative to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine the overriding reason to create a Jewish Homeland being Anti-semitism in EUROPE where Zionists felt they would never be allowed to assimilate NOT in Arab States In fac as your Map shows Jews lived happily in Arab States for hundreds if not thousands of years The catalyst for antagonism by Arab States was Western UK US imposing a displacement of their Palestinian Fraternal Brothers from the homes they had occupied for centuries As you enjoy Maps the one below shows how the progressive Land Grab has been so successful and now Israel controls all of Palestine in one way or another. The completion of the exercise will be when those remaining Palestinians Fuck Off or are Killed Off. It seems incongruous to me that "The West" Countries and some Citizens have a Major Problem with a Russian Land Grab and are prepared to pour $ Billions to support the defender but takes a 180 Degree view in Palestine View AttachmentAnd the reason the Jewish Homeland wasn't created in Uganda? Britain had to withdraw the offer to the Zionists, when white British settlers started rebelling against the idea. Just who the fuck did Britain think they were giving land the settlers had already stolen from the Africans to the Jews FFS?! Cheeky bastards. So we gave them Palestine instead. We knew the Arabs would kick up less of a fuss than the white settlers and they were (of course) not much more than savages anyway. To quote Churchill, when considering the position of the Palestinians ... "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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Post by stokeson on Feb 29, 2024 12:43:31 GMT
Wow! That Churchill quote could have Come from Boris .
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 29, 2024 13:02:01 GMT
Right to self defence or a massacre?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 29, 2024 13:03:15 GMT
Right to self defence or a massacre? I have no words left.....
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Feb 29, 2024 13:09:16 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 29, 2024 13:09:16 GMT
I don’t know, start a thread about it. Do you think Hamas are blameless in the Middle East conflict? You full well know I have condemned the hamas actions last year I’m just interested in your stance on terrorist organisations If you abhor all political violence or or is it subjective to who is doing it or who it is against I don’t think what Hamas did on 7 Oct is political violence. I don’t think what Israel are doing now is political violence. To be honest, I don’t know a great deal of detail about Mandela’s actions prior to his release from prison etc
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Feb 29, 2024 13:10:42 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 29, 2024 13:10:42 GMT
View AttachmentSo the people displaced according to this map would only have been forced to move somewhere else? Which goes to show what a disastrous decision it was to create an artificial State of Israel in Palestine The Father of Modern Zionism Theodore Herzl presented to the the World Zionist Organization's Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903 in Basel a proposal by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to establisha JewishHomeland which is now part of Kenya.. After much debate the vote to consider the proposal was carried by a 2/3 Majority. So in effect there was no particular imperative to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine the overriding reason to create a Jewish Homeland being Anti-semitism in EUROPE where Zionists felt they would never be allowed to assimilate NOT in Arab States In fac as your Map shows Jews lived happily in Arab States for hundreds if not thousands of years The catalyst for antagonism by Arab States was Western UK US imposing a displacement of their Palestinian Fraternal Brothers from the homes they had occupied for centuries As you enjoy Maps the one below shows how the progressive Land Grab has been so successful and now Israel controls all of Palestine in one way or another. The completion of the exercise will be when those remaining Palestinians Fuck Off or are Killed Off. It seems incongruous to me that "The West" Countries and some Citizens have a Major Problem with a Russian Land Grab and are prepared to pour $ Billions to support the defender but takes a 180 Degree view in Palestine View AttachmentWhat would you have done with the Jewish population? Not saying you are wrong at all but interested if you have a view.
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Feb 29, 2024 13:12:09 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 29, 2024 13:12:09 GMT
I don’t know, start a thread about it. Do you think Hamas are blameless in the Middle East conflict? Why would you need to start a new thread about the ANC, the point wagastokie makes is relevant to the debate? Everyone on here has condemned Hamas' actions on October 7th as far as I'm aware. You shouldn't have to make it a precursor to every post from thereon in........ I am not saying that. But every time I attribute blame to both sides, numerous people jump in saying it is all Israel. That’s wrong and part of the problem in my opinion.
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Feb 29, 2024 13:15:41 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 29, 2024 13:15:41 GMT
I am sure they can be but they shouldn’t be for introducing sanctions to try to apply pressure on Israel to stop their attacks on Palestine. Ed Davey has called for sanctions on right wing Israelis too. Ed davey is pretty much irrelevant And he really should be spending his time digging himself out of the post office scandal To be fair, Alan Bates dug Davey out of his hole with his evidence. I think our politicians should be putting in place sanctions against Israel. I am surprised given what you have said on here that you think that view is irrelevant from a politician.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 29, 2024 13:26:56 GMT
Which goes to show what a disastrous decision it was to create an artificial State of Israel in Palestine The Father of Modern Zionism Theodore Herzl presented to the the World Zionist Organization's Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903 in Basel a proposal by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to establisha JewishHomeland which is now part of Kenya.. After much debate the vote to consider the proposal was carried by a 2/3 Majority. So in effect there was no particular imperative to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine the overriding reason to create a Jewish Homeland being Anti-semitism in EUROPE where Zionists felt they would never be allowed to assimilate NOT in Arab States In fac as your Map shows Jews lived happily in Arab States for hundreds if not thousands of years The catalyst for antagonism by Arab States was Western UK US imposing a displacement of their Palestinian Fraternal Brothers from the homes they had occupied for centuries As you enjoy Maps the one below shows how the progressive Land Grab has been so successful and now Israel controls all of Palestine in one way or another. The completion of the exercise will be when those remaining Palestinians Fuck Off or are Killed Off. It seems incongruous to me that "The West" Countries and some Citizens have a Major Problem with a Russian Land Grab and are prepared to pour $ Billions to support the defender but takes a 180 Degree view in Palestine View AttachmentAnd the reason the Jewish Homeland wasn't created in Uganda? Britain had to withdraw the offer to the Zionists, when white British settlers started rebelling against the idea. Just who the fuck did Britain think they were giving land the settlers had already stolen from the Africans to the Jews FFS?! Cheeky bastards. So we gave them Palestine instead. We knew the Arabs would kick up less of a fuss than the white settlers and they were (of course) not much more than savages anyway. To quote Churchill, when considering the position of the Palestinians ... "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." As yes that we'll known Racist Churchill Indeed and going back centuries there were many areas Governed by Jewish Tribal Leaders but they weren't nor intended to be exclusively for Jews Adiabene - Mesopotamia Anilai and Asinai - Babylonia Mahoza - Irag Nehardea - Babylonia Himyar - Yemen Kingdom of Semien - Ethiopia Council of Four Lands - Poland There have been a multitude of other locations proposed as locations for a Jewish State The essential reason for the rise in Zionism is due to Anti-semitism primarily in EUROPE to create a seperate Jewish Homeland. Jews are not a Race Jews have lived without discrimination in many different places throughout History sometimes as Tribal Rulers as above and in many Arab States
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 29, 2024 13:37:11 GMT
Getting the last word in , doesn't mean you've won the argument. Nor lost it. A general observation. Just because you shout loudest doesn't mean that you're right.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 29, 2024 13:39:09 GMT
A brilliant summary of the situation. Steve Bannon is doing a 1st class job of imposing his lunatic views to those that carry power. OS.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
Getting the last word in , doesn't mean you've won the argument. Nor lost it. A general observation. Just because you shout loudest doesn't mean that you're right. Not relevant on an internet forum though (unless you use cap locks of course)
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 29, 2024 13:41:19 GMT
View AttachmentSo the people displaced according to this map would only have been forced to move somewhere else? Which goes to show what a disastrous decision it was to create an artificial State of Israel in Palestine The Father of Modern Zionism Theodore Herzl presented to the the World Zionist Organization's Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903 in Basel a proposal by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to establisha JewishHomeland which is now part of Kenya.. After much debate the vote to consider the proposal was carried by a 2/3 Majority. So in effect there was no particular imperative to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine the overriding reason to create a Jewish Homeland being Anti-semitism in EUROPE where Zionists felt they would never be allowed to assimilate NOT in Arab States In fac as your Map shows Jews lived happily in Arab States for hundreds if not thousands of years The catalyst for antagonism by Arab States was Western UK US imposing a displacement of their Palestinian Fraternal Brothers from the homes they had occupied for centuries As you enjoy Maps the one below shows how the progressive Land Grab has been so successful and now Israel controls all of Palestine in one way or another. The completion of the exercise will be when those remaining Palestinians Fuck Off or are Killed Off. It seems incongruous to me that "The West" Countries and some Citizens have a Major Problem with a Russian Land Grab and are prepared to pour $ Billions to support the defender but takes a 180 Degree view in Palestine View AttachmentIt doesn't answer the original question though, which was more around the simplistic definition of ethnic cleansing used in the original post than creation of a Jewish state. That long winded response was a politicians answer, something of a filibuster if you will - though not of Ted1965 proportions.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 29, 2024 14:14:34 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 29, 2024 14:34:27 GMT
Its just going to go on and on until Netanyahu and the zionists are convinced they have done enough to win the support of the Israeli people.The issue is that that will never happen because most Israelis just want the hostages back ,which they will not get whilst they continue bombing or threaten to continue after a ceasefire.
Also it seems as though Netanyahu is just prolonging the war as we all know his time is up and possibly will be jailed within two years.The biggest issue for me is the constant support of influential governments who could stop the war,mainly USA.They keep supplying the IDF and then tell them to be careful its pathetic,they sold Sadaam his gassess what is he going to do, not use them, of course he did. The whole lot of them makes me sick to the stomach.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 29, 2024 15:08:56 GMT
Horrific what’s happened this morning.
IDF says people moved towards the troops in an ‘endangering manner’
Course they did.
Surely this has to be the straw that breaks the camels back.
We need to start ostracising Israel on the same level as Russia. And soon.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 16:00:48 GMT
Again it's the West Bank so some will choose to ignore but what a top bloke to do this so passionately and articulately......
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