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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 29, 2024 16:35:43 GMT
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Feb 29, 2024 16:46:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 16:46:48 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 29, 2024 16:49:11 GMT
Again it's the West Bank so some will choose to ignore but what a top bloke to do this so passionately and articulately...... Clearly a raging antisemite with that sort of rhetoric. Organising demonstrations FFS! 🙄
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 29, 2024 17:43:18 GMT
Again it's the West Bank so some will choose to ignore but what a top bloke to do this so passionately and articulately...... Inspirational man. Brave man. I hope he knows the has the support of people he doesn’t even know.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 29, 2024 20:17:44 GMT
Just watched the latest from Gaza.
There can be no doubt that our government is supporting group of fucking barbarians.
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Post by Gods on Feb 29, 2024 23:17:06 GMT
Any one noticed how many of the Israeli military TV spokespeople are from the UK? At least 3 of the regular military 'apologists' are basically Londoners.
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Feb 29, 2024 23:50:14 GMT
Post by wannabee on Feb 29, 2024 23:50:14 GMT
Which goes to show what a disastrous decision it was to create an artificial State of Israel in Palestine The Father of Modern Zionism Theodore Herzl presented to the the World Zionist Organization's Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903 in Basel a proposal by British Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain to establisha JewishHomeland which is now part of Kenya.. After much debate the vote to consider the proposal was carried by a 2/3 Majority. So in effect there was no particular imperative to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine the overriding reason to create a Jewish Homeland being Anti-semitism in EUROPE where Zionists felt they would never be allowed to assimilate NOT in Arab States In fac as your Map shows Jews lived happily in Arab States for hundreds if not thousands of years The catalyst for antagonism by Arab States was Western UK US imposing a displacement of their Palestinian Fraternal Brothers from the homes they had occupied for centuries As you enjoy Maps the one below shows how the progressive Land Grab has been so successful and now Israel controls all of Palestine in one way or another. The completion of the exercise will be when those remaining Palestinians Fuck Off or are Killed Off. It seems incongruous to me that "The West" Countries and some Citizens have a Major Problem with a Russian Land Grab and are prepared to pour $ Billions to support the defender but takes a 180 Degree view in Palestine View AttachmentIt doesn't answer the original question though, which was more around the simplistic definition of ethnic cleansing used in the original post than creation of a Jewish state. That long winded response was a politicians answer, something of a filibuster if you will - though not of Ted1965 proportions. Simplistic or not it coincides with the UN definition www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/ethnic-cleansing.shtmlFor every action in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. If object A exerts a force on object B, object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object - Newtons Third Law Of course the actions taken in Arab States against Jews when all the Arab States declared War after the establishment of The State of Israel were wrong. As was the displacement of the Palestinians The dispersement of Jews began around 600 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar 11 captured Judah which was inhabited by Jews and others. Nebuchadnezzar modus operandi was to persecute the locals to follow his will. Like most Refugees they fled to the nearest safe Countries which are now what is called the Arab States. Of course they were not Arab States at that time because Islam didn't evolve until 1,200 Hundred years later. Nevertheless they lived happily in their new found home for another 2,600 years including 1,400 as Arab States What changed the equilibrium which had existed for 2,600 was the establishment of The State of Israel by UK and US Did the UK and US have a Duty of care to Palestinians and Jews when they established the State of Israel. Did the UK and US have a duty of care when disputes occurred. Did the UK and US have a Duty to act in an even-handed way when the expansion of the State they had established occurred. Do you agree they have a Duty and if you do, do you think they have fulfilled their obligations.
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Israel
Mar 1, 2024 3:35:51 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2024 3:35:51 GMT
It doesn't answer the original question though, which was more around the simplistic definition of ethnic cleansing used in the original post than creation of a Jewish state. That long winded response was a politicians answer, something of a filibuster if you will - though not of Ted1965 proportions. Simplistic or not it coincides with the UN definition www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/ethnic-cleansing.shtmlFor every action in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. If object A exerts a force on object B, object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object - Newtons Third Law Of course the actions taken in Arab States against Jews when all the Arab States declared War after the establishment of The State of Israel were wrong. As was the displacement of the Palestinians The dispersement of Jews began around 600 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar 11 captured Judah which was inhabited by Jews and others. Nebuchadnezzar modus operandi was to persecute the locals to follow his will. Like most Refugees they fled to the nearest safe Countries which are now what is called the Arab States. Of course they were not Arab States at that time because Islam didn't evolve until 1,200 Hundred years later. Nevertheless they lived happily in their new found home for another 2,600 years including 1,400 as Arab States What changed the equilibrium which had existed for 2,600 was the establishment of The State of Israel by UK and US Did the UK and US have a Duty of care to Palestinians and Jews when they established the State of Israel. Did the UK and US have a duty of care when disputes occurred. Did the UK and US have a Duty to act in an even-handed way when the expansion of the State they had established occurred. Do you agree they have a Duty and if you do, do you think they have fulfilled their obligations. Morally the ordinary person would expect so. My confusion comes from the fact your original statement which makes ethnic cleansing sound like a group of people are asked politely to leave a region, rather than the horrific actions that actually ensure when that occurs.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 1, 2024 12:42:32 GMT
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Mar 1, 2024 14:56:16 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 14:56:16 GMT
Horrible.Dont open spoiler if you dont want to see a body
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 1, 2024 15:11:34 GMT
Horrible indeed, as were many of the appalling images that came out after the Hamas festival shooting in Israel. Let's keep the board free for speech but free of violent imagery like that. Those images are disgusting and shouldn't be on a football forum. Don't doubt your positive intent mate but think this is a bit far 👍
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2024 15:21:56 GMT
Horrible. Dont open spoiler if you dont want to see a body. Horrible indeed, as were many of the appalling images that came out after the Hamas festival shooting in Israel. Let's keep the board free for speech but free of violent imagery like that. Those images are disgusting and shouldn't be on a football forum. Don't doubt your positive intent mate but think this is a bit far 👍 Sorry mate I've spoilered it now. Maybe requote me so it is spoilered in your reply? Completely agree that it's not the only horrible picture from this conflict either, I remember seeing some awful pictures from hamas at the start of October too. How anyone can do that to another human being though is beyond me. And then to take pictures of it and see so many people reacting positively to it really makes you question humanity. Horrible.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 1, 2024 15:39:13 GMT
Horrible indeed, as were many of the appalling images that came out after the Hamas festival shooting in Israel. Let's keep the board free for speech but free of violent imagery like that. Those images are disgusting and shouldn't be on a football forum. Don't doubt your positive intent mate but think this is a bit far 👍 Sorry mate I've spoilered it now. Maybe requote me so it is spoilered in your reply? Completely agree that it's not the only horrible picture from this conflict either, I remember seeing some awful pictures from hamas at the start of October too. How anyone can do that to another human being though is beyond me. And then to take pictures of it and see so many people reacting positively to it really makes you question humanity. Horrible. Nice one mate and yes indeed 👍
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Mar 2, 2024 1:46:07 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 2, 2024 1:46:07 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 4, 2024 14:11:31 GMT
This is huge news if it's true.
Nothing in the Western media yet but it's being reported on mainstream news in Israel and Jordan.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 4, 2024 14:47:06 GMT
And you are not allowed to make a purchase, unless you are Jewish ...
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Post by wannabee on Mar 4, 2024 15:25:59 GMT
This is huge news if it's true. Nothing in the Western media yet but it's being reported on mainstream news in Israel and Jordan. I doubt it's from any rush of conscious Apparently a whole bunch of them have resigned My uninformed guess is Political manoeuvring within Israeli Cabinet and these support a particular Cabinet Member. Gantz is also in Washington meeting Harris. www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240304-israel-sees-wave-of-senior-israeli-army-officers-resign/
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 4, 2024 15:28:31 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 4, 2024 18:41:05 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 4, 2024 20:26:50 GMT
And we fund this?
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Mar 4, 2024 20:34:35 GMT
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Post by knype on Mar 4, 2024 20:34:35 GMT
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Mar 4, 2024 21:27:34 GMT
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Post by serpico on Mar 4, 2024 21:27:34 GMT
Just a reminder that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammad Atta pledged allegiance to bin laden after the Qana massacre carried out by Israel that killed 100+ people… our support for Israel only brings negatives for us, I fear something unspeakable will be carried out on our streets as a result of it! 🫤 thanks to our dangerous and irresponsible immigration/border policies we’re a sitting duck for the blowback from this, it’s definitely coming.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 5, 2024 9:45:57 GMT
Antisemitic scumbag. He should be arrested and sent back to Germany where he resides............
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Post by gawa on Mar 5, 2024 9:58:35 GMT
Antisemitic scumbag. He should be arrested and sent back to Germany where he resides............ It is Joseph Cohen. Search him on the Internet and you'll find many videos. He makes a living out of antagonising people and editing/uploading videos where he miraculously gets himself in situations every other week. Here he is harassing jewish people 4 years ago who have a view different to his own. Not trying to justify what anyone said in the video. Just adding important context to it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 5, 2024 10:02:37 GMT
Antisemitic scumbag. He should be arrested and sent back to Germany where he resides............ It is Joseph Cohen. Search him on the Internet and you'll find many videos. He makes a living out of antagonising people and editing/uploading videos where he miraculously gets himself in situations every other week. Here he is harassing jewish people 4 years ago who have a view different to his own. Don't need to search him mate, I've met him in person and know Jewish people in Manchester who have been on the receiving end of his Zionist bile. He and the likes of David Collier are bullies and racists, I have no issue saying that. But the reaction of the other guy shouting "F**k Jews" is totally unacceptable..........
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Mar 5, 2024 10:05:06 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 5, 2024 10:05:06 GMT
It is Joseph Cohen. Search him on the Internet and you'll find many videos. He makes a living out of antagonising people and editing/uploading videos where he miraculously gets himself in situations every other week. Here he is harassing jewish people 4 years ago who have a view different to his own. Don't need to search him mate, I've met him in person and know Jewish people in Manchester who have been on the receiving end of his Zionist bile. He and the likes of David Collier are bullies and racists, I have no issue saying that. But the reaction of the other guy shouting "F**k Jews" is totally unacceptable.......... 100% agree mate.
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Mar 5, 2024 10:11:30 GMT
Post by knype on Mar 5, 2024 10:11:30 GMT
Antisemitic scumbag. He should be arrested and sent back to Germany where he resides............ It is Joseph Cohen. Search him on the Internet and you'll find many videos. He makes a living out of antagonising people and editing/uploading videos where he miraculously gets himself in situations every other week. Here he is harassing jewish people 4 years ago who have a view different to his own. Not trying to justify what anyone said in the video. Just adding important context to it. As Prestwich says, doesn't matter if he is antagonising or not, the response is no appropriate on the streets of Britain
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Post by wannabee on Mar 5, 2024 10:32:24 GMT
It is Joseph Cohen. Search him on the Internet and you'll find many videos. He makes a living out of antagonising people and editing/uploading videos where he miraculously gets himself in situations every other week. Here he is harassing jewish people 4 years ago who have a view different to his own. Don't need to search him mate, I've met him in person and know Jewish people in Manchester who have been on the receiving end of his Zionist bile. He and the likes of David Collier are bullies and racists, I have no issue saying that. But the reaction of the other guy shouting "F**k Jews" is totally unacceptable.......... Cohen, heralded in the Israeli Press as the "Lone Warrior" His YouTube "Debate" with Mark Collett and some other undesirables was quite the thing.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 5, 2024 14:16:51 GMT
More conflation between Israel and British Jewry, and the real scourge of antisemitism just gets ignored in all this nonsense.....
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Mar 5, 2024 14:46:52 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 5, 2024 14:46:52 GMT
Utter vile scum
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