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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 22:06:20 GMT
I can’t agree with that, 20/25 years were producing players that would go on to be regulars in the first team for a number of years. It’s still too early to say if any of the current prospects will make the grade. Agreed, it’s too early to say. Who are these players, 20/25 years ago that became regulars? I’m not sure when Griffin, O’Connor and Clarke signed , but if we do count those players, apart from Griffin, the other two would definitely not get into our current first team. Unless I’m missing somebody? It’s not fair to compare if players back then would get into today’s team as they were mostly playing in the third tier. The point I’m making is that in terms of producing first team ready players, the academy was more productive 20 years ago than it today. Pound for pound, with todays budget and facilities compared to back then I’d say we’re comfortably underperforming. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 22:22:31 GMT
Agreed, it’s too early to say. Who are these players, 20/25 years ago that became regulars? I’m not sure when Griffin, O’Connor and Clarke signed , but if we do count those players, apart from Griffin, the other two would definitely not get into our current first team. Unless I’m missing somebody? It’s not fair to compare if players back then would get into today’s team as they were mostly playing in the third tier. The point I’m making is that in terms of producing first team ready players, the academy was more productive 20 years ago than it today. Pound for pound, with todays budget and facilities compared to back then I’d say we’re comfortably underperforming. Not sure. Again, boils down to the age you class players coming through. We could be a league 1 side and would probably have more youth players starting. Guess it boils down to the circumstances of the club. I imagine Blackburn are starting more players because they don’t have the resources we do. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 23, 2024 22:22:48 GMT
Agreed, it’s too early to say. Who are these players, 20/25 years ago that became regulars? I’m not sure when Griffin, O’Connor and Clarke signed , but if we do count those players, apart from Griffin, the other two would definitely not get into our current first team. Unless I’m missing somebody? It’s not fair to compare if players back then would get into today’s team as they were mostly playing in the third tier. The point I’m making is that in terms of producing first team ready players, the academy was more productive 20 years ago than it today. Pound for pound, with todays budget and facilities compared to back then I’d say we’re comfortably underperforming. Ok but it sounds like you are saying we produced more players back then that were first team ready, but that you can’t compare then and now because we were at a lower level?! I don’t think the likes of Dean Crowe, Goodfellow and others, would get a sniff in the current set up if I’m being honest - simply not good enough for this level. I reckon if we were in league 1 we’d have a fair few younger lads regularly in the first team squad than we did 20 years ago. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 24, 2024 6:43:59 GMT
It’s not fair to compare if players back then would get into today’s team as they were mostly playing in the third tier. The point I’m making is that in terms of producing first team ready players, the academy was more productive 20 years ago than it today. Pound for pound, with todays budget and facilities compared to back then I’d say we’re comfortably underperforming. Ok but it sounds like you are saying we produced more players back then that were first team ready, but that you can’t compare then and now because we were at a lower level?! I don’t think the likes of Dean Crowe, Goodfellow and others, would get a sniff in the current set up if I’m being honest - simply not good enough for this level. I reckon if we were in league 1 we’d have a fair few younger lads regularly in the first team squad than we did 20 years ago. You can forward the clock a few years and we produced the likes of Henry, Wilko, Dicko, Paterson and Shotton. All were good enough for the Championship and three of them went on to play in the Premier League with us. So my point is relevant, the era that we were relegated to the third division and then our promotion back to the second division we were producing a good number of players who went on the either play lots of games for the first team or have a very good career at a decent level elsewhere. We just haven’t been doing it for a number of years now. Not only are we not bringing players through for our first team but hardly any of the players leaving the academy are going on to have a decent career elsewhere. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 26, 2024 22:55:42 GMT
Bayern is slipping and never started a 2024/25 thread, the up to date list of young players is below as per transfermarkt feel free to amend accordingly.....
Under 18's Squad
Goalkeepers
Ben Houston (18)
Michael Andrew Zeitzen (17)
Ruben Brammer (17)
Defenders
Ian Togo (17)
Owen Powell (16)
Sydney Agina (16)
Jenson Tortoishell (17)
Laurence Giani (16)
Sanchez Phillips (17)
Midfielders
Lewis Walker (16)
Ryan Liu (16)
Daniel Eyaife (17)
Elliot Fearn (16)
Josh Maskall (16)
Piers Hatcliff (16)
Jayden Ogbebor (16)
Gabriel Gartside-Kelly (17)
Forwards
Pedro Nzau (16)
Kobie Hines-Leacock (17)
Oliver Challinor (18)
Under 21's Squad
Goalkeepers
Tommy Simkin (19) - on loan to Walsall
Alfie Brooks (20)
Noah Cooper (18)
Defenders
Jake Griffin (18)
Christy Grogan (18)
Freddie Anderson (17)
Jaden Dixon (17)
Josh Bickerton (18)
Francis Gyimah (18)
Jaden Mears (18)
Luke Bailey Badley-Morgan (20) - on loan to Airdrieonians
Midfielders
Will Smith (18)
Darius Lipsiuc (18)
Sol Sidibe (17)
Wiktor Gromek (19)
Jack Griffiths (19)
Forwards
Japhet Matondo (18)
Nicola Jojic (20)
Emre Tezgel (18)
Nathan Lowe (18) - on loan to Walsall
Edwin Andersson (20)
Dean Adekoya (18)
Chinonso Chibueze (18)
Kieron Wilcox (18)
Ruben McIntosh (21)
Dara McGuiness (20)
Adam Watson (18)
Keke Jeffers (19)
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Post by nonameface on Aug 26, 2024 23:03:32 GMT
Bayern is slipping and never started a 2024/25 thread, the up to date list of young players is below as per transfermarkt feel free to amend accordingly..... Under 18's SquadGoalkeepersBen Houston (18) Michael Andrew Zeitzen (17) Ruben Brammer (17) DefendersIan Togo (17) Owen Powell (16) Sydney Agina (16) Jenson Tortoishell (17) Laurence Giani (16) Sanchez Phillips (17) Midfielders
Lewis Walker (16) Ryan Liu (16) Daniel Eyaife (17) Elliot Fearn (16) Josh Maskall (16) Piers Hatcliff (16) Jayden Ogbebor (16) Gabriel Gartside-Kelly (17) Forwards
Pedro Nzau (16) Kobie Hines-Leacock (17) Oliver Challinor (18) Under 21's SquadGoalkeepers
Tommy Simkin (19) - on loan to Walsall Alfie Brooks (20) Noah Cooper (18) Defenders
Jake Griffin (18) Christy Grogan (18) Freddie Anderson (17) Jaden Dixon (17) Josh Bickerton (18) Francis Gyimah (18) Jaden Mears (18) Luke Bailey Badley-Morgan (20) - on loan to Airdrieonians MidfieldersWill Smith (18) Darius Lipsiuc (18) Sol Sidibe (17) Wiktor Gromek (19) Jack Griffiths (19) ForwardsJaphet Matondo (18) Nicola Jojic (20) Emre Tezgel (18) Nathan Lowe (18) - on loan to Walsall Edwin Andersson (20) Dean Adekoya (18) Chinonso Chibueze (18) Kieron Wilcox (18) Ruben McIntosh (21) Dara McGuiness (20) Adam Watson (18) Keke Jeffers (19) Would it be fair to say the defenders older than Dixon and Anderson are unlikely to be championship level, similarly the midfielders older than Sidibe and the forwards older than Tezgel and Lowe. |
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Post by liathroid on Aug 27, 2024 18:11:28 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 28, 2024 13:12:32 GMT
Jojic appears from nowhere on the bench😳
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Post by liathroid on Aug 28, 2024 15:53:08 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 28, 2024 16:48:25 GMT
Jojic appears from nowhere on the bench😳 He was allowed back home for a personal issue I was told. Feel for the lad to be fair, in a strange country and it's clearly not worked out how anyone would have liked...... |
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Post by stoke1989 on Aug 28, 2024 21:01:14 GMT
Jojic appears from nowhere on the bench😳 He was allowed back home for a personal issue I was told. Feel for the lad to be fair, in a strange country and it's clearly not worked out how anyone would have liked...... You'd think a loan and some regular games would've occurred by now, a local conference side or summit. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2024 21:04:34 GMT
He was allowed back home for a personal issue I was told. Feel for the lad to be fair, in a strange country and it's clearly not worked out how anyone would have liked...... You'd think a loan and some regular games would've occurred by now, a local conference side or summit. He'd do very well to get a loan at that level,just not good enough National League North at a push |
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Post by stoke1989 on Aug 28, 2024 21:23:42 GMT
You'd think a loan and some regular games would've occurred by now, a local conference side or summit. He'd do very well to get a loan at that level,just not good enough National League North at a push Can't say I've ever seen him player but judging by that comment, what an incredible waste of money. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2024 12:03:12 GMT
U18’s had a tonking
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 31, 2024 13:37:55 GMT
Not surprising as most of them are playing with the first team or u21's. |
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