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Post by liathroid on Aug 20, 2024 12:40:17 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2024 13:20:55 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2024 13:21:42 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2024 13:23:59 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2024 13:38:22 GMT
Christ a team like that getting beat 3-1
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 20, 2024 13:39:27 GMT
Christ a team like that getting beat 3-1 We always get stuffed when we chuck first teamers in the 21s. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2024 13:55:05 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2024 17:41:24 GMT
x.com/PaulRStoke/status/18270373643229882631 Noah Cooper 2 Jaden Mears 3 Francis Gymiah 4 Josh Bickerton 5 Jake Griffin 6 Sol Sidibe 7 Japhet Matondo 8 Will Smith 9 Dean Adekoya 10 Darius Lipsuic 11 Jack Griffiths Subs 12 Owen Powell 13 Alfie Brooks 14 Wiktor Gromek 15 Chinonso Chibueze 16 Keke Jeffers No Jojic again. Wonder if he's off somewhere, or just injured. And that New Zealand keeper seems to be serving no purpose?
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 23, 2024 17:49:37 GMT
x.com/PaulRStoke/status/18270373643229882631 Noah Cooper 2 Jaden Mears 3 Francis Gymiah 4 Josh Bickerton 5 Jake Griffin 6 Sol Sidibe 7 Japhet Matondo 8 Will Smith 9 Dean Adekoya 10 Darius Lipsuic 11 Jack Griffiths Subs 12 Owen Powell 13 Alfie Brooks 14 Wiktor Gromek 15 Chinonso Chibueze 16 Keke Jeffers No Jojic again. Wonder if he's off somewhere, or just injured. And that New Zealand keeper seems to be serving no purpose? Surely Jojic is off? One of the Jared buys that did not work out, it seems. Sol getting game time, so not on the bench tomorrow, you'd think. Anderson and Dixon are still with the first team squad, I guess - I thought Anderson might be dropped back down after Phillips arrived, especially with Badley-Morgan gone on loan to Airdrie. |
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 23, 2024 17:59:37 GMT
x.com/PaulRStoke/status/18270373643229882631 Noah Cooper 2 Jaden Mears 3 Francis Gymiah 4 Josh Bickerton 5 Jake Griffin 6 Sol Sidibe 7 Japhet Matondo 8 Will Smith 9 Dean Adekoya 10 Darius Lipsuic 11 Jack Griffiths Subs 12 Owen Powell 13 Alfie Brooks 14 Wiktor Gromek 15 Chinonso Chibueze 16 Keke Jeffers No Jojic again. Wonder if he's off somewhere, or just injured. And that New Zealand keeper seems to be serving no purpose? And coming into the last week of the window and all of a sudden Baker, Vidigal etc aren't involved as they were last match. I'm sure there's nothing in that  |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 23, 2024 18:29:53 GMT
x.com/PaulRStoke/status/18270373643229882631 Noah Cooper 2 Jaden Mears 3 Francis Gymiah 4 Josh Bickerton 5 Jake Griffin 6 Sol Sidibe 7 Japhet Matondo 8 Will Smith 9 Dean Adekoya 10 Darius Lipsuic 11 Jack Griffiths Subs 12 Owen Powell 13 Alfie Brooks 14 Wiktor Gromek 15 Chinonso Chibueze 16 Keke Jeffers No Jojic again. Wonder if he's off somewhere, or just injured. And that New Zealand keeper seems to be serving no purpose? who’s the lad we had off liverpool ? |
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Post by liathroid on Aug 23, 2024 18:36:25 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Aug 23, 2024 19:33:15 GMT
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Post by bunnyscfc on Aug 23, 2024 19:54:08 GMT
At many other clubs, Sol is in the first team. Absolute talent. Surround him with good players and he'd thrive.
Why are we so reticent about playing talented midfielders? Other clubs he'd be nailed on to play.
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 20:00:15 GMT
At many other clubs, Sol is in the first team. Absolute talent. Surround him with good players and he'd thrive. Why are we so reticent about playing talented midfielders? Other clubs he'd be nailed on to play. What evidence do you base this on? Sol is doing great for his age, but I’m really not sure if he’s ready for the first team yet . He’s very young. I think the real question is whether he is ready for a loan to get used to men’s football? |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 23, 2024 20:01:47 GMT
At many other clubs, Sol is in the first team. Absolute talent. Surround him with good players and he'd thrive. Why are we so reticent about playing talented midfielders? Other clubs he'd be nailed on to play. What evidence do you base this on? Sol is doing great for his age, but I’m really not sure if he’s ready for the first team yet . He’s very young. I think the real question is whether he is ready for a loan to get used to men’s football? needs games off the bench before being thrown in a deep end , start him now and a few bad performances will destroy his confidence and set him back a while |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Aug 23, 2024 20:02:20 GMT
At many other clubs, Sol is in the first team. Absolute talent. Surround him with good players and he'd thrive. Why are we so reticent about playing talented midfielders? Other clubs he'd be nailed on to play. What evidence do you base this on? Sol is doing great for his age, but I’m really not sure if he’s ready for the first team yet . He’s very young. I think the real question is whether he is ready for a loan to get used to men’s football? Of watching him and similar players over the last few years. Strange how noone questions the absolutely awful results of our 21s over recent years.... |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 20:07:43 GMT
What evidence do you base this on? Sol is doing great for his age, but I’m really not sure if he’s ready for the first team yet . He’s very young. I think the real question is whether he is ready for a loan to get used to men’s football? needs games off the bench before being thrown in a deep end , start him now and a few bad performances will destroy his confidence and set him back a while Agree. He definitely needs minutes. I think he will get more minutes on loan at another club. There are many who are already chucking Junior under the bus, and he’s only 20! Add Wilmot to this list, who is only 24, with three Championship seasons under his belt, and you can see the potential issues that will surface. For me, I’m in no rush to go up this season and would be happy to give the kids a full season. I’m not sure if everyone would have the same view? |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 20:11:17 GMT
What evidence do you base this on? Sol is doing great for his age, but I’m really not sure if he’s ready for the first team yet . He’s very young. I think the real question is whether he is ready for a loan to get used to men’s football? Of watching him and similar players over the last few years. Strange how noone questions the absolutely awful results of our 21s over recent years.... It’s not just the results, it’s the lack of quality being produced from the local area. Hopefully that is changing now with the likes of Sidibie and Tezgel breaking through but compared with academies like Blackburn, Birmingham and Sunderland we’re miles behind. Go back 25 years and our academy was much more productive. I know we were in a lower division but we had a number of young lads come through that went on to play a good number of games for club. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 20:15:55 GMT
Of watching him and similar players over the last few years. Strange how noone questions the absolutely awful results of our 21s over recent years.... It’s not just the results, it’s the lack of quality being produced from the local area. Hopefully that is changing now with the likes of Sidibie and Tezgel breaking through but compared with academies like Blackburn, Birmingham and Sunderland we’re miles behind. Go back 25 years and our academy was much more productive. I know we were in a lower division but we had a number of young lads come through that went on to play a good number of games for club. We have sold Collins and Souttar for a combined fee of over 30 million pounds? I must have missed it, but who have Sunderland and Blackburn sold from their academy’s these last few years that have equated to what we have received ? Looking back before these last few years, I can’t think of any players that have reached these kind of sums. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 20:24:07 GMT
Just to add.
If we look back 25 years from our academy, I can only think of Dean Crowe that was any kind of prospect coming out of our academy.
It was bad times for our club in the 90’s
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 20:36:46 GMT
It’s not just the results, it’s the lack of quality being produced from the local area. Hopefully that is changing now with the likes of Sidibie and Tezgel breaking through but compared with academies like Blackburn, Birmingham and Sunderland we’re miles behind. Go back 25 years and our academy was much more productive. I know we were in a lower division but we had a number of young lads come through that went on to play a good number of games for club. We have sold Collins and Souttar for a combined fee of over 30 million pounds? I must have missed it, but who have Sunderland and Blackburn sold from their academy’s these last few years that have equated to what we have received ? Looking back before these last few years, I can’t think of any players that have reached these kind of sums. Collins and Souttar were both signed for the academy at U18/U21 level. My point was we don’t produce that kind of quality ourselves with young lads from the local area. Success for the academy isn’t just measured on how much money you sell academy players for, it’s how many players you bring through that go on to play regularly for the club. Blackburn have recently sold Wharton for £18m and four of their starting eleven from their last game came through their academy. Sunderland had three players in their last starting eleven that came through their academy. Birmingham have had loads come through in the past few years like Bellingham, James, Hall and Donovan. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 20:44:15 GMT
Just to add. If we look back 25 years from our academy, I can only think of Dean Crowe that was any kind of prospect coming out of our academy. It was bad times for our club in the 90’s We didn’t produce world beaters but the likes of Griffin, O’Connor, Clarke and Neil played over 600 games for us. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 20:46:15 GMT
We have sold Collins and Souttar for a combined fee of over 30 million pounds? I must have missed it, but who have Sunderland and Blackburn sold from their academy’s these last few years that have equated to what we have received ? Looking back before these last few years, I can’t think of any players that have reached these kind of sums. Collins and Souttar were both signed for the academy at U18/U21 level. My point was we don’t produce that kind of quality ourselves with young lads from the local area. Success for the academy isn’t just measured on how much money you sell academy players for, it’s how many players you bring through that go on to play regularly for the club. Blackburn have recently sold Wharton for £18m and four of their starting eleven from their last game came through their academy. Sunderland had three players in their last starting eleven that came through their academy. Birmingham have had loads come through in the past few years like Bellingham, James, Hall and Donovan. I see , local boys born and bread ? Fair enough. That is tough though, considering the size of a place like Stoke, compared to a city like Birmingham. Not to be pedantic , but Bellingham is from Stourbridge and not Brum, but I get your point. Can’t think of many Stokies that have reached the top level these last 20 years or so. Diaz? Maybe more to do with our grass routes set up? |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 20:48:01 GMT
Just to add. If we look back 25 years from our academy, I can only think of Dean Crowe that was any kind of prospect coming out of our academy. It was bad times for our club in the 90’s We didn’t produce world beaters but the likes of Griffin, O’Connor, Clarke and Neil played over 600 games for us. But again, most of those aren’t born and bread, which I think is the point you are making. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 20:51:47 GMT
Collins and Souttar were both signed for the academy at U18/U21 level. My point was we don’t produce that kind of quality ourselves with young lads from the local area. Success for the academy isn’t just measured on how much money you sell academy players for, it’s how many players you bring through that go on to play regularly for the club. Blackburn have recently sold Wharton for £18m and four of their starting eleven from their last game came through their academy. Sunderland had three players in their last starting eleven that came through their academy. Birmingham have had loads come through in the past few years like Bellingham, James, Hall and Donovan. I see , local boys born and bread ? Fair enough. That is tough though, considering the size of a place like Stoke, compared to a city like Birmingham. Not to be pedantic , but Bellingham is from Stourbridge and not Brum, but I get your point. Can’t think of many Stokies that have reached the top level these last 20 years or so. Diaz? Maybe more to do with our grass routes set up? I don’t mean they have to be from Stoke, more that they’ve been at our academy from a young age and we’ve been responsible for their development. We were able to do some brilliant recruitment for the academy while we were in the Premier League with the likes of Souttar, Collins and Campbell. Now we’re in a position where we can’t attract that kind of quality to the academy. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 20:55:06 GMT
We didn’t produce world beaters but the likes of Griffin, O’Connor, Clarke and Neil played over 600 games for us. But again, most of those aren’t born and bread, which I think is the point you are making. No, I mean producing players from the younger age groups of the academy. Our recent success stories from the academy like Collins and Souttar were signed at U18/U21 level. Who was the last player to come all the way through our academy that was at the level of Souttar or Collins? |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 21:09:23 GMT
But again, most of those aren’t born and bread, which I think is the point you are making. No, I mean producing players from the younger age groups of the academy. Our recent success stories from the academy like Collins and Souttar were signed at U18/U21 level. Who was the last player to come all the way through our academy that was at the level of Souttar or Collins? I’m not sure how old James O Conner, Clarke and Griffin were when they signed ? All I know is that they weren’t from Stoke. Tyrese came from ManCity when he was 16? Our academy is light years ahead of where we were 25 years ago. And now we have the likes of Emre, Sol and Simkin ? We are in a great place. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 23, 2024 21:19:06 GMT
No, I mean producing players from the younger age groups of the academy. Our recent success stories from the academy like Collins and Souttar were signed at U18/U21 level. Who was the last player to come all the way through our academy that was at the level of Souttar or Collins? I’m not sure how old James O Conner, Clarke and Griffin were when they signed ? All I know is that they weren’t from Stoke. Tyrese came from ManCity when he was 16? Our academy is light years ahead of where we were 25 years ago. And now we have the likes of Emre, Sol and Simkin ? We are in a great place. I can’t agree with that, 20/25 years were producing players that would go on to be regulars in the first team for a number of years. It’s still too early to say if any of the current prospects will make the grade. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 23, 2024 21:24:38 GMT
I’m not sure how old James O Conner, Clarke and Griffin were when they signed ? All I know is that they weren’t from Stoke. Tyrese came from ManCity when he was 16? Our academy is light years ahead of where we were 25 years ago. And now we have the likes of Emre, Sol and Simkin ? We are in a great place. I can’t agree with that, 20/25 years were producing players that would go on to be regulars in the first team for a number of years. It’s still too early to say if any of the current prospects will make the grade. Agreed, it’s too early to say. Who are these players, 20/25 years ago that became regulars? I’m not sure when Griffin, O’Connor and Clarke signed , but if we do count those players, apart from Griffin, the other two would definitely not get into our current first team. Unless I’m missing somebody? |
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