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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 29, 2023 12:03:40 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 12:05:01 GMT
Apparently a load of the academy are leaving.
All seems very drastic given how well it’s done. 🤷‍♂️
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 29, 2023 12:07:12 GMT
Was told about this at the weekend and it’s a mass clear out apparently.Let’s just say Ricky Martin is clearing the decks of folk Neil doesn’t get on with or see eye to eye with
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 29, 2023 12:09:33 GMT
I hope they've got replacements lines up sharpish, there's a hell of a lot of upheaval in all departments going on................
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 12:09:41 GMT
Was told about this at the weekend and it’s a mass clear out apparently.Let’s just say Ricky Martin is clearing the decks of folk Neil doesn’t get on with or see eye to eye with Jesus wept what a shit club we have.
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Post by march4 on May 29, 2023 12:13:39 GMT
AN’s revolution continues.
It is a good move when establishing the leader’s vision to renew staff but it is risky if it doesn’t work and piles pressure on the leader.
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Post by gingerninja on May 29, 2023 12:14:32 GMT
This is concerning for sure, both Walker and Rooster were held in high regard and in my opinion did very good jobs. This is becoming one hell of a cull..
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 12:14:38 GMT
Huge decision
On the face of it it's very bad news
What involvement did Martin have with West Ham youth set up? Any credit to him given their success would counter the negativity but have no idea if he had input re that or not
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 12:14:52 GMT
AN’s revolution continues. It is a good move when establishing the leader’s vision to renew staff but it is risky if it doesn’t work and piles pressure on the leader. It’s terrible. The academy is the only thing at this club that has been working for the last 5 years.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 29, 2023 12:16:16 GMT
Was told about this at the weekend and it’s a mass clear out apparently.Let’s just say Ricky Martin is clearing the decks of folk Neil doesn’t get on with or see eye to eye with Jesus wept what a shit club we have. I firmly believe you’d find solace and peace of mind at some other club, perhaps one you admire more than the one you constantly harangue on this board.
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Post by andycooke96 on May 29, 2023 12:17:52 GMT
Two key academy staff gone in a week, could be coincidence.. Slightly worrying though that the best asset the club has, the academy, won’t play a significant role under the current manager
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Post by PotterLog on May 29, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
That’s the academy helicoptered into then
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Post by theonlooker on May 29, 2023 12:22:19 GMT
The Academy should be run by the club and the transient idiot in the hot seat should keep his beak out of those matters, whoever he may be at the time.
This current 'manager' has absolutely no track record of blooding kids so should keep the hell away from our Academy. Frankly, their success in recent seasons shows the first team manager and his lack of success last season up for what it is. Maybe that's the real reason?
As for the owners, they need to wake the hell up before their rank lazy way of running this club sends it further into the mire.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 12:22:24 GMT
Jesus wept what a shit club we have. I firmly believe you’d find solace and peace of mind at some other club, perhaps one you admire more than the one you constantly harangue on this board. I’d prefer this one was run in a good way ta.
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Post by boscfc on May 29, 2023 12:23:05 GMT
Pinning a lot of decision-making faith in a management team that has delivered the square root of fuck all to date.
Concerning.
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Post by gingerninja on May 29, 2023 12:24:39 GMT
Is there anyone at the club Alex Neil does get on with. I don't think I can remember in recent time such a massive and far reaching upheaval of playing & backroom staff..
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Post by wuzza on May 29, 2023 12:27:24 GMT
It took about 5 bloody generations to get the academy working and now they do this ! On the face of things it’s utterly ridiculous I only hope we later find out it was outside the clubs control and Rooster has been offered a much better job elsewhere.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 29, 2023 12:28:39 GMT
Was told about this at the weekend and it’s a mass clear out apparently.Let’s just say Ricky Martin is clearing the decks of folk Neil doesn’t get on with or see eye to eye with Jesus wept what a shit club we have. Or are the club making changes to improve things?. Many fans on this site have demanded wholesale changes to the scfc environment....can't have it both ways.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 12:30:58 GMT
Jesus wept what a shit club we have. Or are the club making changes to improve things?. The academy was working well. The changes needed are at the other end of the club. And decisions like this shouldn’t be done by a club who could easily be sacked by November.
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Post by skip on May 29, 2023 12:31:10 GMT
I want to know if and why Alex Neil has any say in the Academy whatsoever. The Academy should transcend the short or even medium term aim of the first team manager.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2023 12:34:43 GMT
It definitelly falls under Martin's remit. And he seems to be causing ripples around the place. He's been an Academy manager for 7 years at Norwich and 4 at West Ham, so presumably thinks he can micro-manage everything which is rubbing some people up the wrong way. We'll see if he fills the roles with some of his old sidekicks. www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/november/09/potters-appoint-technical-director/Stoke City are delighted to confirm the appointment of Ricky Martin as the Club’s new Technical Director. Martin will work in close collaboration with manager Alex Neil and will oversee various departments, including player recruitment, scouting and analysis, medical, sports science and the Academy. He will take up his new role with the Potters next Monday and, like Neil, will report directly to John Coates.
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Post by potterfox1011 on May 29, 2023 12:37:14 GMT
AN’s revolution continues. It is a good move when establishing the leader’s vision to renew staff but it is risky if it doesn’t work and piles pressure on the leader. It’s terrible. The academy is the only thing at this club that has been working for the last 5 years. Kevin did a pretty good job bringing some young talent through unfortunately AN has no interest in playing them.sitting on the bench or five minutes when a game has gone.hed rather carryon with players who have failed week after week.Brighton have showed that playing hungry youngsters can bring big dividends
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Post by gingerninja on May 29, 2023 12:37:49 GMT
Do we know who any of his "side kicks' were previously. Likewise, Neil needs at least one first team coach, as O'Shea & Delap have departed. Wasn't Mike Dodds rumoured to be a target previously for him?.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 29, 2023 12:44:12 GMT
Or are the club making changes to improve things?. The academy was working well. The changes needed are at the other end of the club. And decisions like this shouldn’t be done by a club who could easily be sacked by November. How well is it really working though? Baring the players we signed as 17/18 year olds like Souttar, Collins and Campbell, no one has come through and become a regular first team player. We’re miles behind clubs like Blackburn, Birmingham and Middlesbrough who seem to bring academy players through every season that play regularly in the Championship.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 29, 2023 12:46:57 GMT
AN’s revolution continues. It is a good move when establishing the leader’s vision to renew staff but it is risky if it doesn’t work and piles pressure on the leader. It’s terrible. The academy is the only thing at this club that has been working for the last 5 years. Just playing devil's advocate, how many of the academy successes have there been who weren't signed for a decent fee at age 17/18? Collins, Souttar, Bursik, Campbell and Wright-Phillips all were. Maybe Connor Taylor?
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Post by jokker on May 29, 2023 12:48:15 GMT
Maybe my memory serves me poorly, but didn't Rooster fill in the intermittently vacant manager's position once or twice?
Whether or not he was ever offered the job permantly and just turned it down because he preferred to continue where he wouldn't be sacked (or so he thought until now), we'll probably never know, but is it just possible that AN saw him as a potential threat to his own seat?
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Post by chuckrocky on May 29, 2023 12:51:45 GMT
It’s terrible. The academy is the only thing at this club that has been working for the last 5 years. Just playing devil's advocate, how many of the academy successes have there been who weren't signed for a decent fee at age 17/18? Collins, Souttar, Bursik, Campbell and Wright-Phillips all were. Maybe Connor Taylor? Even Taylor was 18 when he signed. Tom Edwards is the only player to have come through the age groups and play a decent number of first team games for a good number of years.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 29, 2023 12:52:22 GMT
Maybe my memory serves me poorly, but didn't Rooster fill in the intermittently vacant manager's position once or twice? Whether or not he was ever offered the job permantly and just turned it down because he preferred to continue where he wouldn't be sacked (or so he thought until now), we'll probably never know, but is it just possible that AN saw him as a potential threat to his own seat? The WBA home game with Delap and we were dreadful that night and he was assisting Lambert whilst he was here
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Post by jokker on May 29, 2023 12:55:24 GMT
The academy was working well. The changes needed are at the other end of the club. And decisions like this shouldn’t be done by a club who could easily be sacked by November. How well is it really working though? Baring the players we signed as 17/18 year olds like Souttar, Collins and Campbell, no one has come through and become a regular first team player. We’re miles behind clubs like Blackburn, Birmingham and Middlesbrough who seem to bring academy players through every season that play regularly in the Championship. I partially agree with your analysis that the transition from youth setup to first team appears to be not working, and that we haven't seen academy graduates playing with regularity or at all. However, the question is if that's a sign that the academy isn't working or that the managers that we've employed have been unwilling to blood youngsters with no or limited experience at our level thus depriving them of experience at our level...?
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Post by Marc01 on May 29, 2023 12:58:31 GMT
It took about 5 bloody generations to get the academy working and now they do this ! On the face of things it’s utterly ridiculous I only hope we later find out it was outside the clubs control and Rooster has been offered a much better job elsewhere. I may be wrong but the instinctive feeling is that: Newly appointed person in a high office interfering with things, that are working well, to put their own stamp on them, when no such stamp is required. If so, such a regime will only send the club backwards.
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