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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 13:38:42 GMT
If only my haranguing wasn’t for good reason. You mean you're not happy with 5 bottom half finishes in a row and hundreds of millions worth of purchases given away for nothing, all backed up by an administrative team that has to be 'harangued' by a supporters led council for two solid years to introduce cashless payments in food kiosks? Madness isn’t it. Sorry, I’ll back down now.
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Post by theonlooker on May 29, 2023 13:41:42 GMT
You mean you're not happy with 5 bottom half finishes in a row and hundreds of millions worth of purchases given away for nothing, all backed up by an administrative team that has to be 'harangued' by a supporters led council for two solid years to introduce cashless payments in food kiosks? Madness isn’t it. Sorry, I’ll back down now. No absolutely do not back down. We need the fans to get stuck into this club and not just sit back and accept any old shit. There's nothing this club have done right for far too long now and far too many clinging onto free bus rides and price freezes to justify half a decade of absolute nonsense.
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Post by PotterLog on May 29, 2023 13:42:21 GMT
All joined at 15/16. I think it’s a combined thanks tbh. There’s still a lot of development there to be done. Souttar was 18 and Campbell 17. Of course we brought them on but it was pretty obvious very early on with all three players that they would become first team players. The argument is why aren’t we producing that calibre of player from our own academy? So young players who are obvious first team material sign for our academy. Isn’t this is an argument in favour of our set-up?
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Post by stokesaint1 on May 29, 2023 13:47:17 GMT
We appear to have firmly put all our eggs into one basket. That basket belonging to Neil and Martin. I just hope the board have really done their homework properly (for a change) and know what they're doing. Otherwise what has been six years of misery could become an even bigger disaster with no way back. My fingers are well and truly crossed and hope my concerns are unfounded. This upcoming season really does feel like make or break.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 29, 2023 13:47:55 GMT
AN’s revolution continues. It is a good move when establishing the leader’s vision to renew staff but it is risky if it doesn’t work and piles pressure on the leader. There is no reason for AN to touch sections of the club he doesn’t work with on a regular basis. He’s employed to manage the first team. Is he going to get rid of the women’s head coach next? If the general consensus was that the youth development was doing well in their jobs, then they should be left alone. AN will be here for about another year, he shouldn’t be able to just rip the infrastructure to pieces. Martin needs to focus on getting a head of recruitment in given that we don’t have a first team and there is a window approaching.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 13:51:43 GMT
Madness isn’t it. Sorry, I’ll back down now. No absolutely do not back down. We need the fans to get stuck into this club and not just sit back and accept any old shit. There's nothing this club have done right for far too long now and far too many clinging onto free bus rides and price freezes to justify half a decade of absolute nonsense. I was being sarcastic sorry 🤣 It maddens me how so many are so ok with it all. It’s like no amount of shit is enough to make them seemingly care.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 29, 2023 13:52:15 GMT
It's like a Beer Hall Putsch!
The concentration of power one or two individuals hold here is madness, especially after what we've all witnessed last season.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 29, 2023 13:54:25 GMT
So bar 35m quids of talent and raise that to 40 if you include Campbell. And then I’d say 60 if we use Tezgel right, it’s done nothing…. Surely the recruitment team deserve the credit for the sales of Souttar and Collins and potential sale of Campbell? After all we didn’t exactly “produce” them. “Produce them” is relative. Just because we didn’t find Souttar kicking a ball around on the street in Scotland, it doesn’t mean that we didn’t find a good quality young player and develop him far beyond what he was when we brought him in. If you look at Man City’s academy, they do exactly the same. They have a number of players that start with them and have never been anywhere else, then they bring in dozens of players from every age group as well.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 29, 2023 13:55:10 GMT
Souttar was 18 and Campbell 17. Of course we brought them on but it was pretty obvious very early on with all three players that they would become first team players. The argument is why aren’t we producing that calibre of player from our own academy? Campbell joined at 16 and Souttar was 16/17 and played in the u18/ for a year. You’re right on Campbell sorry, he was 16yrs 7 months when he joined. Souttar turned 18 three weeks after he joined so would have still been eligible for the u18’s. Like I said though, it’s a fair enough question to ask why we don’t produce that calibre of players from our younger age groups?
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Post by chuckrocky on May 29, 2023 13:59:24 GMT
Souttar was 18 and Campbell 17. Of course we brought them on but it was pretty obvious very early on with all three players that they would become first team players. The argument is why aren’t we producing that calibre of player from our own academy? So young players who are obvious first team material sign for our academy. Isn’t this is an argument in favour of our set-up? Those players were signed when we were a Premier League club. Not a chance we sign that calibre of player for the academy any more.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2023 14:01:40 GMT
If what I’ve been told is right we will need the following: Head of Academy Coaching Lead Professional Development Phase Coach (u18s manager) Professional Development Phase Coach Senior Professional Development Phase Coach (U21s manager) And maybe: Academy Director Senior Professional Development Phase Coach & Loans Manager As well as a head of recruitment, replacements for Delap and O'Shea - and probably a dozen new players. Just an average summer
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 29, 2023 14:04:01 GMT
If what I’ve been told is right we will need the following: Head of Academy Coaching Lead Professional Development Phase Coach (u18s manager) Professional Development Phase Coach Senior Professional Development Phase Coach (U21s manager) And maybe: Academy Director Senior Professional Development Phase Coach & Loans Manager As well as a head of recruitment, replacements for Delap and O'Shea - and probably a dozen new players. Just an average summer What is/was Lenny’s position at the club?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 29, 2023 14:06:28 GMT
As well as a head of recruitment, replacements for Delap and O'Shea - and probably a dozen new players. Just an average summer What is/was Lenny’s position at the club? u-16s coach according to his linkedin uk.linkedin.com/in/liam-lawrence-7a4895146
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Post by gingerninja on May 29, 2023 14:08:22 GMT
I don't think Neil is a fan of the job for the boys situation. The turnover in the playing staff was always on the cards this summer, the backroom staff and infrastructure is somewhat more concerning, it would appear behind the scenes we have been disfunctional for quite sometime, not conducive to a successful club, let's hope for heaven's sake we get the reset right.
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Post by sportsman on May 29, 2023 14:09:19 GMT
We're certainly building a whole new club. Big reset
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 29, 2023 14:12:16 GMT
I wonder if he’s part of the mass clear out?
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Post by PotterLog on May 29, 2023 14:14:10 GMT
We're certainly building a whole new club. Big reset What AN was employed to do, in his own words. Let’s cross the pinkies that he’s up to it. I suspect it’s folly.
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 14:20:33 GMT
Surely this is RM doing not AN? Are we seeing them as a pair?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 29, 2023 14:45:06 GMT
The Academy should be run by the club and the transient idiot in the hot seat should keep his beak out of those matters, whoever he may be at the time. This current 'manager' has absolutely no track record of blooding kids so should keep the hell away from our Academy. Frankly, their success in recent seasons shows the first team manager and his lack of success last season up for what it is. Maybe that's the real reason? As for the owners, they need to wake the hell up before their rank lazy way of running this club sends it further into the mire. Exactly this, no decent club allows a manager and his self-appointed hatchet man run a club to this extent , a poor start next season and Neil will be gone before Christmas then what ?
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Post by greenhoff on May 29, 2023 14:51:10 GMT
Letting a manager run the club from top to bottom is utter madness. Especially one whose hardly covered himself in glory since he was appointed. The owners/board never learn.
The model of a manager led football club belongs in the 90s. We could be in serious shit by Christmas if it goes wrong
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 14:52:09 GMT
If what I’ve been told is right we will need the following: Head of Academy Coaching Lead Professional Development Phase Coach (u18s manager) Professional Development Phase Coach Senior Professional Development Phase Coach (U21s manager) And maybe: Academy Director Senior Professional Development Phase Coach & Loans Manager As well as a head of recruitment, replacements for Delap and O'Shea - and probably a dozen new players. Just an average summer He must enjoy working. It’s gone from being a massive summer to fuck knows what 😂
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Post by Wizbit on May 29, 2023 14:57:47 GMT
You are off the scale with your constant, never ending posts of 'look at me' negativity. Within seconds of someone creating a thread, you can't help yourself by posting more drivel. You call it 'haranguing', the rest of us call it written diarrhea. Have a day off, go and get some fresh air and daylight We’ve been shit for 7 years, what are you going on about? You accept this shit. You are part of the problem. You say we been shit .... well changes are afoot you cant get better without change so how about you give it a chance and see what happens who knows it might be the best thing thats ever happend maybe everyone was a bit too comfy in thier roles .... everyone bemoaned that the family let it stagnate well now we have a new broom so maybe give it a chance then criticise instead of constantly moaning
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 15:00:11 GMT
Was told about this at the weekend and it’s a mass clear out apparently.Let’s just say Ricky Martin is clearing the decks of folk Neil doesn’t get on with or see eye to eye with I don’t believe that for 1 minute Where’s this from
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 15:02:41 GMT
We’ve been shit for 7 years, what are you going on about? You accept this shit. You are part of the problem. You say we been shit .... well changes are afoot you cant get better without change so how about you give it a chance and see what happens who knows it might be the best thing thats ever happend maybe everyone was a bit too comfy in thier roles .... everyone bemoaned that the family let it stagnate well now we have a new broom so maybe give it a chance then criticise instead of constantly moaning The manager has had a season and did terribly and then we’ve given him the keys to the club. He doesn’t deserve a chance.
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Post by jokker on May 29, 2023 15:02:57 GMT
So bar 35m quids of talent and raise that to 40 if you include Campbell. And then I’d say 60 if we use Tezgel right, it’s done nothing…. Surely the recruitment team deserve the credit for the sales of Souttar and Collins and potential sale of Campbell? After all we didn’t exactly “produce” them. We didn't - but we did nurture them through to the progress they made, which resulted in the fees we are depending on. Would they have gotten there without us? Probably/possibly, but you look at Campbell and wonder if other clubs would have kept faith with him for as long as we did after his injury, and have kept playing him even as he struggled/is struggling to get to his best. You could even say how many clubs would have kept faith with Tymon, who seemed for years to be going nowhere but down.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 15:05:06 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread
Incredible
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 15:09:39 GMT
You say we been shit .... well changes are afoot you cant get better without change so how about you give it a chance and see what happens who knows it might be the best thing thats ever happend maybe everyone was a bit too comfy in thier roles .... everyone bemoaned that the family let it stagnate well now we have a new broom so maybe give it a chance then criticise instead of constantly moaning The manager has had a season and did terribly and then we’ve given him the keys to the club. He doesn’t deserve a chance. Well who does then?
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Post by Veritas on May 29, 2023 15:14:02 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread Incredible But unfortunately not surprising
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 29, 2023 15:16:36 GMT
It's like a Beer Hall Putsch! The concentration of power one or two individuals hold here is madness, especially after what we've all witnessed last season. 100% spot on they know best dint have the record to prove it it’s absolute lunacy two individuals setting up their own gang to the exclusion of any previous merit with no evidence to support they’ve any idea how to do it It’s like a mini Chelsea babies going out with bath water everywhere and the ensuing totally dysfunctional club worse than ever will surely follow
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 29, 2023 15:17:44 GMT
AN’s revolution continues. It is a good move when establishing the leader’s vision to renew staff but it is risky if it doesn’t work and piles pressure on the leader. There is no reason for AN to touch sections of the club he doesn’t work with on a regular basis. He’s employed to manage the first team. Is he going to get rid of the women’s head coach next? If the general consensus was that the youth development was doing well in their jobs, then they should be left alone. AN will be here for about another year, he shouldn’t be able to just rip the infrastructure to pieces. Martin needs to focus on getting a head of recruitment in given that we don’t have a first team and there is a window approaching. AN is football manager of scfc and would have final responsibility on all things relating the the playing side which could effect the first team.. so obviously this would include the academy. I thought people were crying out for total rebuild of the club...or is it just the Coates people want out.
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