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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 15:19:19 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread Incredible But unfortunately not surprising Some of the selections, subs, formations were crazy but I still have faith. He knows who all the shit players are who need replacing no one else does. Let him get his own players and let’s take it from there. Some of the stuff said about him on this thread ins not necessarily true. Just a chance to have a dig |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 29, 2023 15:32:27 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread Incredible It isn't anti-Neil. There's concern that he alongside Martin, are being allowed (by woefully weak ownership) to shape the club in their image on the back of a season that leaves much to be desired; meddling in the one relatively bright spot the clubs had in the last 5 years. This isn't Guardiola or Ferguson overseeing wholesale changes on the back of enormous success. Or even Bielsa implementing a belief or philosophy in a way of playing (Neil can't pick between a back 3 or 4 after three quarters of a season). The manager finds himself in roughly the same position as MON was in heading into last season and there's no guarantee he will still even be here by Christmas. Personally I think the concerns expressed are valid. |
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Post by PotterLog on May 29, 2023 15:39:51 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread Incredible Who gives a fuck about Neil, seriously? Pro, anti, it doesn’t matter. He’s a jobbing coach who’ll be gone in a year or so like every other manager - exactly why all this turnover and upheaval on his watch is so concerning. |
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2023 15:46:19 GMT
This is quite concerning, the only stable part of the club that gave us some bright lights over the last 5 years.
I hope they have some gems of coaches lined up and not another bus load of mates that follow them around.
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Post by robrigo on May 29, 2023 15:46:24 GMT
I can see both sides of the argument here. On the face of it allowing a manager and his sidekicks to have the power to alter the structure of every facet of the club is madness, antiquated and extremely risky. If it goes wrong and his shown the door by Christmas then where does it leave us?
On the flip side the club needs change, it needs redirecting and someone has to do it. We want change, a vision of where we are going and ultimately we want to see sustainable progress. To do it means tough decisions. I don’t really know enough about the academy to comment with insight.
However, it’s such an incredibly risky way of going about it. We have to get it right. This next few weeks are pivotal. Absolutely crucial. And there’s so much to do. I’m going to give them a chance because ultimately what will be will be. Saying that after seeing what Neil produced last season it’s one hell of a leap of faith.
Please, finally get it right Stoke.
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 15:48:25 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread Incredible It isn't anti-Neil. There's concern that he alongside Martin, are being allowed (by woefully weak ownership) to shape the club in their image on the back of a season that leaves much to be desired; meddling in the one relatively bright spot the clubs had in the last 5 years. This isn't Guardiola or Ferguson overseeing wholesale changes on the back of enormous success. Or even Bielsa implementing a belief or philosophy in a way of playing (Neil can't pick between a back 3 or 4 after three quarters of a season). The manager finds himself in roughly the same position as MON was in heading into last season and there's no guarantee he will still even be here by Christmas. Personally I think the concerns expressed are valid. It is But you don’t know if it true what’s being said Fuck me let’s sack neil and then what. You can say that about any manager Neil finds himself in a different position to when he took over As he can get his own players not the shit ones left by the previous manager |
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 15:51:06 GMT
Turned into a nice anti neil thread Incredible Who gives a fuck about Neil, seriously? Pro, anti, it doesn’t matter. He’s a jobbing coach who’ll be gone in a year or so like every other manager - exactly why all this turnover and upheaval on his watch is so concerning. He maybe gone but give the fucker a chance with his own players. There maybe a change to a few things but we don’t know if some of the shit is true |
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Post by pottersrule on May 29, 2023 15:52:32 GMT
Apparently a load of the academy are leaving. All seems very drastic given how well it’s done. 🤷♂️ Has it? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2023 15:55:52 GMT
Apparently a load of the academy are leaving. All seems very drastic given how well it’s done. 🤷♂️ Has it? Yes. Good results. Players coming through and generating money. More players to come through too. On every level it’s done well this last 5 years. |
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 16:01:30 GMT
Yes. Good results. Players coming through and generating money. More players to come through too. On every level it’s done well this last 5 years. How do you know it can’t be improved. Your wanting changes in the club on one hand and on the other when things change you don’t like it 🤷♀️ I wouldn’t say any players out of youth set up has been amazing |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 29, 2023 16:02:07 GMT
Yes. Good results. Players coming through and generating money. More players to come through too. On every level it’s done well this last 5 years. They did seem to have a very bad season (the U21s) last year. Didn’t they finish second bottom? I know that they had a young team etc but that’s hardly “doing well”. That said, as I’ve highlighted earlier in this thread, I don’t believe that player development should be dictated by AN in any way (if it is indeed true that RM is getting rid of Russel because they don’t get along). |
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Post by pottersrule on May 29, 2023 16:02:50 GMT
How well is it really working though? Baring the players we signed as 17/18 year olds like Souttar, Collins and Campbell, no one has come through and become a regular first team player. We’re miles behind clubs like Blackburn, Birmingham and Middlesbrough who seem to bring academy players through every season that play regularly in the Championship. I was thinking this. I'm open to change and will hopefully see a better production line than we've seen ourselves in the last few years. I keep hearing that the academies producing but who really have we produced that's gone to be a staple & secure player with Stoke, or has left us after a meaningful contribution to bigger and better things? Even during the Premier League years we had Wilko, Dicko & latterly Edwards. More recent Souttar & Collins. Yes Tyrese has made the first team and has done very well in patches, but let's not forget he was a product of Man City initially. As Souttar was at Dundee United and spent most of his academy time on loan with Joey Barton. We haven't been producing talent on a regular enough basis for me to say the current academy set up is not beyond change and a different direction. Oliver Shenton was predicted to be great, he's currently at Chorley in the National League North. Thibaud Verlinden likewise, was meant to be the next thing but faded away abroad. Joe Bursik, highly rated and deemed good enough to play for England U21's but Stoke seemed to not help him realise his potential.. Plenty others I could name and add to this list Daniel Bachman was released deemed surplus to requirements,now first choice at Watford and Austria. |
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 16:04:31 GMT
I was thinking this. I'm open to change and will hopefully see a better production line than we've seen ourselves in the last few years. I keep hearing that the academies producing but who really have we produced that's gone to be a staple & secure player with Stoke, or has left us after a meaningful contribution to bigger and better things? Even during the Premier League years we had Wilko, Dicko & latterly Edwards. More recent Souttar & Collins. Yes Tyrese has made the first team and has done very well in patches, but let's not forget he was a product of Man City initially. As Souttar was at Dundee United and spent most of his academy time on loan with Joey Barton. We haven't been producing talent on a regular enough basis for me to say the current academy set up is not beyond change and a different direction. Oliver Shenton was predicted to be great, he's currently at Chorley in the National League North. Thibaud Verlinden likewise, was meant to be the next thing but faded away abroad. Joe Bursik, highly rated and deemed good enough to play for England U21's but Stoke seemed to not help him realise his potential.. Plenty others I could name and add to this list Daniel Bachman was released deemed surplus to requirements,now first choice at Watford and Austria. Still don't rate him |
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Post by northernstokie on May 29, 2023 16:04:34 GMT
It's a brave move from him to clear most of the staff and start again but if it works then we will all be saying its a master stroke
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 16:05:53 GMT
Yes. Good results. Players coming through and generating money. More players to come through too. On every level it’s done well this last 5 years. They did seem to have a very bad season (the U21s) last year. Didn’t they finish second bottom? I know that they had a young team etc but that’s hardly “doing well”. That said, as I’ve highlighted earlier in this thread, I don’t believe that player development should be dictated by AN in any way (if it is indeed true that RM is getting rid of Russel because they don’t get along). As you have said if I would guess that’s a load of bollocks |
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Post by pottersrule on May 29, 2023 16:06:21 GMT
Yes. Good results. Players coming through and generating money. More players to come through too. On every level it’s done well this last 5 years. They did seem to have a very bad season (the U21s) last year. Didn’t they finish second bottom? I know that they had a young team etc but that’s hardly “doing well”. That said, as I’ve highlighted earlier in this thread, I don’t believe that player development should be dictated by AN in any way (if it is indeed true that RM is getting rid of Russel because they don’t get along). Plenty saying the club needs a complete overhaul and then moan like fuck when it happens.Baffling. |
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 16:07:07 GMT
Daniel Bachman was released deemed surplus to requirements,now first choice at Watford and Austria. Still don't rate him Well he always does well against us and it’s ok saying I don’t rate him when he’s clearly loads better than we have at the moment |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 29, 2023 16:09:14 GMT
They did seem to have a very bad season (the U21s) last year. Didn’t they finish second bottom? I know that they had a young team etc but that’s hardly “doing well”. That said, as I’ve highlighted earlier in this thread, I don’t believe that player development should be dictated by AN in any way (if it is indeed true that RM is getting rid of Russel because they don’t get along). As you have said if I would guess that’s a load of bollocks I don’t put anything past Stoke. We are about to enter a new transfer window and we are losing a head of recruitment. We knew that he was going some time back and surely should have cut our losses so a new one could come in and help get things started on new priorities before the season ended. Outwardly, the ownership just appear to be so flaccid in their governance. |
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 16:13:24 GMT
Well he always does well against us and it’s ok saying I don’t rate him when he’s clearly loads better than we have at the moment We don't have a first choice keeper atm so that's pretty meaningless Hoping for better than Bachmann |
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Post by pottersrule on May 29, 2023 16:15:58 GMT
Yes. Good results. Players coming through and generating money. More players to come through too. On every level it’s done well this last 5 years. Fuck me the U23's only won 3 league games all season.Think I'd be asking questions of the management after a season like that. |
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Post by wakeypotter on May 29, 2023 16:16:03 GMT
Well he always does well against us and it’s ok saying I don’t rate him when he’s clearly loads better than we have at the moment We don't have a first choice keeper atm so that's pretty meaningless Hoping for better than Bachmann What a load of rubbish bonham has been our first choice keeper and still is until we sign another so not so meaningless eh |
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Post by PotterLog on May 29, 2023 16:17:43 GMT
They did seem to have a very bad season (the U21s) last year. Didn’t they finish second bottom? I know that they had a young team etc but that’s hardly “doing well”. That said, as I’ve highlighted earlier in this thread, I don’t believe that player development should be dictated by AN in any way (if it is indeed true that RM is getting rid of Russel because they don’t get along). Plenty saying the club needs a complete overhaul and then moan like fuck when it happens.Baffling. It's yet another newly-appointed figurehead manager being given all the power to make massive long-term decisions about our club's direction and future. It's basically the exact opposite of what people mean by "complete overhaul" in our context. How are you baffled by this |
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 16:18:51 GMT
Plenty saying the club needs a complete overhaul and then moan like fuck when it happens.Baffling. It's yet another newly-appointed figurehead manager being given all the power to make massive long-term decisions about our club's direction and future. It's basically the exact opposite of what people mean by "complete overhaul" in our context. How are you baffled by this But it's RM driving this technical director justifying his job by getting rid of others |
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Post by pottersrule on May 29, 2023 16:19:06 GMT
Daniel Bachman was released deemed surplus to requirements,now first choice at Watford and Austria. Still don't rate him Think he is better than Bursik who replaced him. |
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 16:20:22 GMT
Think he is better than Bursik who replaced him. Meh Similar standard at the same age Definitely want a good keeper to come in this summer |
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Post by neddy on May 29, 2023 16:20:34 GMT
Do we know if Walker has got a better job and may have taken Rooster with him?
Just a thought?
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2023 16:22:19 GMT
Do we know if Walker has got a better job and may have taken Rooster with him? Just a thought? Nah its RM going postal |
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Post by PotterLog on May 29, 2023 16:26:19 GMT
It's yet another newly-appointed figurehead manager being given all the power to make massive long-term decisions about our club's direction and future. It's basically the exact opposite of what people mean by "complete overhaul" in our context. How are you baffled by this But it's RM driving this technical director justifying his job by getting rid of others RM appointed by.... |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 29, 2023 16:28:51 GMT
I was thinking this. I'm open to change and will hopefully see a better production line than we've seen ourselves in the last few years. I keep hearing that the academies producing but who really have we produced that's gone to be a staple & secure player with Stoke, or has left us after a meaningful contribution to bigger and better things? Even during the Premier League years we had Wilko, Dicko & latterly Edwards. More recent Souttar & Collins. Yes Tyrese has made the first team and has done very well in patches, but let's not forget he was a product of Man City initially. As Souttar was at Dundee United and spent most of his academy time on loan with Joey Barton. We haven't been producing talent on a regular enough basis for me to say the current academy set up is not beyond change and a different direction. Oliver Shenton was predicted to be great, he's currently at Chorley in the National League North. Thibaud Verlinden likewise, was meant to be the next thing but faded away abroad. Joe Bursik, highly rated and deemed good enough to play for England U21's but Stoke seemed to not help him realise his potential.. Plenty others I could name and add to this list Daniel Bachman was released deemed surplus to requirements,now first choice at Watford and Austria. Bachmann is fucking useless!  Watford fans hate him because he's largely crap. |
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Post by pottersrule on May 29, 2023 16:29:44 GMT
Plenty saying the club needs a complete overhaul and then moan like fuck when it happens.Baffling. It's yet another newly-appointed figurehead manager being given all the power to make massive long-term decisions about our club's direction and future. It's basically the exact opposite of what people mean by "complete overhaul" in our context. How are you baffled by this Easily.People making judgements based on hearsay and agenda.So when they say the club needs changing from top to bottom I interpret that as a complete overhaul.Not hard is it? |
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Watford fans hate him because he's largely crap.
