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Post by dirtygary69 on May 11, 2023 6:47:32 GMT
He actually got injured because he did too much at times. Didn’t he break his leg going for something he didn’t really need to?
The ‘lazy’ narrative is as annoying as it is blatantly wrong. There were times when he wasn’t involved in games, but don’t mistake that for laziness. He could look a bit half-arsed at times because of his demeanour and this season he wasn’t good, but I don’t think he was ever going to thrive under Neil.
He was at his best when he was centre of attention. MON realised that and allowed him that sort of freedom and got the best of him. Neil, maybe understandably, didn’t.
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Post by stokiesteve on May 11, 2023 7:06:00 GMT
Total embarrassment. Why the manager would play him there getting long balls lumped up to him I'll never know. Probably to prove he isn’t a good fit for his future plans. Love NP had my biggest mental since relegation when he scored that lob vs West Brom a few years back, thought we were onto something but it hasn’t worked. He’s injury prone and that won’t change. But another who will no doubt be shushing us at some point or other along with Clucas !! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 11, 2023 7:10:41 GMT
He did work hard when he played, he was just injured a lot. No he didn't work hard, he strolled around in lots of games He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 11, 2023 9:32:27 GMT
No he didn't work hard, he strolled around in lots of games He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. It’s all set up like a Joe Allen - He’s shit fuck him off blah blah and then reality dawns if People think Neil will even recognise better let alone atttact them they are in for a very disappointing summer our issue starts firmly in the dug out Fox and Powell arr actually toe of our bette palyerd add Sterling into that and Possibly Hoever and the first week after season end has been as bad as it could be possibly be |
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Post by independent on May 11, 2023 21:44:25 GMT
He still has plenty of time and money to replace players that he obviously made his mind up about weeks/months ago. Genuinely think AN should go on holiday at the moment and return last week of May and get stuck into the job.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 12, 2023 8:16:58 GMT
He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. It’s all set up like a Joe Allen - He’s shit fuck him off blah blah and then reality dawns if People think Neil will even recognise better let alone atttact them they are in for a very disappointing summer our issue starts firmly in the dug out Fox and Powell arr actually toe of our bette palyerd add Sterling into that and Possibly Hoever and the first week after season end has been as bad as it could be possibly be Joe Allen was poor and he's been mainly on the treatment table with a few games thrown in here and there for Swansea this season.....no matter how our season has u folded I wouldn't of wanted big Joe anywhere near our team/squad this season. Not overly fussed powell is leaving, you can't build a team around someone who spends large chunks of the season on the treatment table..and no it wouldn't be worth keeping him as a squad player as an earlier poster said powell wants to be the centre point of the team. But physically he's just not up to it. |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on May 12, 2023 8:22:57 GMT
He put in a few exciting performances under MON and was at one time our only flare player and the first name on the team
sheet. Unfortunately injuries have caught up with him this season, thinking back to the Hull game when he got injured within about 10 seconds.
It was time for both parties to move on, wish him the best of luck, can see him dropping into league one next season.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 12, 2023 15:29:41 GMT
For me, Powell is a brilliant player and our best player by a mile in recent years - but he just didn’t want it enough. Talent-wise, head and shoulders above anyone, but you’ve got to work hard, be consistent and have drive. Sadly he didn’t demonstrate any of that. If Michael Jordan / Serena Williams / Tiger Woods didn’t work hard, they’d achieve nothing. It’s not all about talent. Likewise, Gary Neville / Rory Delap / etc. had no real talent to speak of but dug in every minute of every day- and the results come. If NP had the drive of Neville, we would only have ever seen him from afar as he won trophies and England caps. Big shame that he never really wanted it enough, but in that flashes he did show, he was fantastic. Good luck Nick. But people are different and that's what makes life interesting. If everyone had the mindset of those names you mentioned, no one would stand out and you wouldn't have any names to mention. I also disagree about Neville and Delap - lots of talent in both, and they worked harder than most to maximise that talent. However talented you are, you don't get to play as many games as Nick Powell has at various levels without having drive and working fecking hard. One of my favourite examples is from snooker - imagine the game of Ronnie O'Sullivan with the mindset of Peter Ebdon. That player would barely lose a game. In football, we have Ronaldo and Messi who have both in different ways. I doubt we'll get two players in the same era as great as them again for a long time. Some folk just have way too high expectations, especially when it comes to sports that are very well-paid. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 12, 2023 15:34:29 GMT
Had his best time with with 19/20 MON and during the COVID seasons and I think that has massively skewed perceptions of his time here because they all merge into one. His spell here was actually largely pretty damn good when he featured. He was on an absolute tear in 21/22 until he broke his leg as well.
Second top scorer since relegation, only 1 of two to score 20 across the last 3 seasons, despite being on one leg for half of that time.
Probably the right time of move on, but completely dumbfounded by the levels of dislike on display for him in truth.
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Post by stokieinlondon on May 12, 2023 18:28:09 GMT
For me, Powell is a brilliant player and our best player by a mile in recent years - but he just didn’t want it enough. Talent-wise, head and shoulders above anyone, but you’ve got to work hard, be consistent and have drive. Sadly he didn’t demonstrate any of that. If Michael Jordan / Serena Williams / Tiger Woods didn’t work hard, they’d achieve nothing. It’s not all about talent. Likewise, Gary Neville / Rory Delap / etc. had no real talent to speak of but dug in every minute of every day- and the results come. If NP had the drive of Neville, we would only have ever seen him from afar as he won trophies and England caps. Big shame that he never really wanted it enough, but in that flashes he did show, he was fantastic. Good luck Nick. But people are different and that's what makes life interesting. If everyone had the mindset of those names you mentioned, no one would stand out and you wouldn't have any names to mention. I also disagree about Neville and Delap - lots of talent in both, and they worked harder than most to maximise that talent. However talented you are, you don't get to play as many games as Nick Powell has at various levels without having drive and working fecking hard. One of my favourite examples is from snooker - imagine the game of Ronnie O'Sullivan with the mindset of Peter Ebdon. That player would barely lose a game. In football, we have Ronaldo and Messi who have both in different ways. I doubt we'll get two players in the same era as great as them again for a long time. Some folk just have way too high expectations, especially when it comes to sports that are very well-paid. I like that people are different, and of course NP has put in the work - but you can’t tell me he’d be at Stoke if he had the mindset of Walters or Neville. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 12, 2023 18:43:27 GMT
No he didn't work hard, he strolled around in lots of games He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. Drawn in? The sign of Ill discipline. He’s overrated and increasingly injured, a luxury player who we can’t afford to keep on the books if we want to aim for promotion. Undoubted talent with the ball at his feet and I wish him all the best wherever he turns up next. Can see him being one of those that retires at 30 because he’s fell out of love with the game |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 12, 2023 18:48:09 GMT
He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. Drawn in? The sign of Ill discipline. He’s overrated and increasingly injured, a luxury player who we can’t afford to keep on the books if we want to aim for promotion. Undoubted talent with the ball at his feet and I wish him all the best wherever he turns up next. Can see him being one of those that retires at 30 because he’s fell out of love with the game Some truth, some nonsense, so on balance decent for you. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 12, 2023 18:50:31 GMT
Drawn in? The sign of Ill discipline. He’s overrated and increasingly injured, a luxury player who we can’t afford to keep on the books if we want to aim for promotion. Undoubted talent with the ball at his feet and I wish him all the best wherever he turns up next. Can see him being one of those that retires at 30 because he’s fell out of love with the game Some truth, some nonsense, so on balance decent for you. You love me really😉 |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 12, 2023 20:05:25 GMT
But people are different and that's what makes life interesting. If everyone had the mindset of those names you mentioned, no one would stand out and you wouldn't have any names to mention. I also disagree about Neville and Delap - lots of talent in both, and they worked harder than most to maximise that talent. However talented you are, you don't get to play as many games as Nick Powell has at various levels without having drive and working fecking hard. One of my favourite examples is from snooker - imagine the game of Ronnie O'Sullivan with the mindset of Peter Ebdon. That player would barely lose a game. In football, we have Ronaldo and Messi who have both in different ways. I doubt we'll get two players in the same era as great as them again for a long time. Some folk just have way too high expectations, especially when it comes to sports that are very well-paid. I like that people are different, and of course NP has put in the work - but you can’t tell me he’d be at Stoke if he had the mindset of Walters or Neville. That's kind of my point. Not everyone can have that mindset. You've still got to be incredibly motivated to reach the level Powell has. It's not a personal failure of Nick Powellthat Nick Powell isn't a Premier League regular. I've never seen Jon Parkin getting anywhere near the kind of criticism Powell gets and in fact Parkin is lauded for the career and lifestyle he's had. |
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Post by swampySCFC on May 12, 2023 20:24:55 GMT
No different than the majority of the others Over paid pile of gutless wank But he does have technical ability and a soupçon of nous. He had two (?) opportunities to score or assist yet again today but instead chose to fanny around playing FIFA in his mind. I've never seen a player demonstrate a Can't Be Arsed mindset as much as him today. Neil should never have played him. Nor Smallbone, who was out of position (I think) and did absolutely sod all. Pearson running around like a bull in a china shop and a couple of goal bound wallops did more than most of the others put together. I can't get past the idea that Powell could have so good for us. Lets not get carried away with this. The lad is very talented earning him a top move at a young age. But injuries relegated him to Wigan and then Stoke wher he had the odd game (£30k a week). Waste of money and another example of the clubs shocking aquisition policy since relegation |
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Post by wakeypotter on May 12, 2023 20:26:55 GMT
He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. It’s all set up like a Joe Allen - He’s shit fuck him off blah blah and then reality dawns if People think Neil will even recognise better let alone atttact them they are in for a very disappointing summer our issue starts firmly in the dug out Fox and Powell arr actually toe of our bette palyerd add Sterling into that and Possibly Hoever and the first week after season end has been as bad as it could be possibly be I was a bit surprised we let fox go but mate Powell ain’t as good as you are making out. He’s one of the most overrated players I’ve seen |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 0:43:03 GMT
Wasn’t a terrible signing for us but never hit the heights either.
You have to say, as powell’s career enters the twilight years he’s not come close to reaching his potential. (I know he’s only 29 but will be shocked if he’s still playing in 3/4 years)
When he was at Crewe in league two, and scored that outrageous playoff final goal (still one of the greatest goals I’ve EVER seen) then got his move to man united and scored a class goal on his home debut, I was convinced he’d go onto become Crewe’s greatest ever product; which would be saying a lot.
For whatever reason he’s had a poor career compared to the promise. I know he’s likely a multi-millionaire and set for life (if good with money) even if he doesn’t work another day, but maybe he’ll have some regrets in the future?
But that’s just speculation. Nobody truly knows other than Nick Powell why he never reached the heights he should’ve. Potentially he was just unfortunate but I don’t remember any major injuries. It always felt like niggles here and there, which leads me to suspect maybe he could’ve done more to prevent those and be more consistent.
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2023 7:56:36 GMT
I see the Sun newspaper is running with this story.
Something like 'Former 29 year old Alex Ferguson / Man United star wakes up unemployed'
They quote Tricky Ricky doing his brave new world Stoke City Torpedoes thing.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 13, 2023 8:43:53 GMT
Wasn’t a terrible signing for us but never hit the heights either. You have to say, as powell’s career enters the twilight years he’s not come close to reaching his potential. (I know he’s only 29 but will be shocked if he’s still playing in 3/4 years) When he was at Crewe in league two, and scored that outrageous playoff final goal (still one of the greatest goals I’ve EVER seen) then got his move to man united and scored a class goal on his home debut, I was convinced he’d go onto become Crewe’s greatest ever product; which would be saying a lot. For whatever reason he’s had a poor career compared to the promise. I know he’s likely a multi-millionaire and set for life (if good with money) even if he doesn’t work another day, but maybe he’ll have some regrets in the future? But that’s just speculation. Nobody truly knows other than Nick Powell why he never reached the heights he should’ve. Potentially he was just unfortunate but I don’t remember any major injuries. It always felt like niggles here and there, which leads me to suspect maybe he could’ve done more to prevent those and be more consistent. He certainly couldn’t prevent his broken fibula that put him out of action for a third of last season…… |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 10:52:39 GMT
I think his mentality and body language, annoyed a section of the fans and I would include myself in that .
I read Bobby Charlton's autobiography and when he was a young player, he had a mentor ( Jimmy Murphy?) , Who was Matt Busby's right hand man.
Anyway Murphy was supportive of Charlton and the two got on well, but there was one game, when Murphy really went for Charlton.
He was raging because Charlton was played in , but instead of taking the shot on , layed the ball off to another man utd player.
Murphy... don't ever do that again! If you hit the bar or hit it over ,the fans will soon forget that . If you decline to take the shot on and pass the buck to someone else, the fans and especially me , will hate that and remember it for a long long time.
Charlton became the opposite, someone who would hit the ball , from anywhere, if the chance was on .
Powell will be played in and lay the ball off and I for one , find this very annoying.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 19:23:32 GMT
Wasn’t a terrible signing for us but never hit the heights either. You have to say, as powell’s career enters the twilight years he’s not come close to reaching his potential. (I know he’s only 29 but will be shocked if he’s still playing in 3/4 years) When he was at Crewe in league two, and scored that outrageous playoff final goal (still one of the greatest goals I’ve EVER seen) then got his move to man united and scored a class goal on his home debut, I was convinced he’d go onto become Crewe’s greatest ever product; which would be saying a lot. For whatever reason he’s had a poor career compared to the promise. I know he’s likely a multi-millionaire and set for life (if good with money) even if he doesn’t work another day, but maybe he’ll have some regrets in the future? But that’s just speculation. Nobody truly knows other than Nick Powell why he never reached the heights he should’ve. Potentially he was just unfortunate but I don’t remember any major injuries. It always felt like niggles here and there, which leads me to suspect maybe he could’ve done more to prevent those and be more consistent. He certainly couldn’t prevent his broken fibula that put him out of action for a third of last season…… Ye good point. Maybe I have premature senility. Still though, he’s extremely prone to niggles. But potentially that’s just an unfortunate product of his style of play; using his intelligence to draw fouls from cloggers. |
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Post by iglugluk on May 13, 2023 23:15:20 GMT
He continually got drawn into the midfield muck and bullets to make tackles, sometimes to the detriment of his attacking game. It’s all set up like a Joe Allen - He’s shit fuck him off blah blah and then reality dawns if People think Neil will even recognise better let alone atttact them they are in for a very disappointing summer our issue starts firmly in the dug out Fox and Powell arr actually toe of our bette palyerd add Sterling into that and Possibly Hoever and the first week after season end has been as bad as it could be possibly be Soon as Allen had to accept Championship wages like everyone else he disappeared in an instant. He was at Stoke for so long because he couldn't get wages like that anywhere else.. not that I blame him for that as it was a completely understandable decision. Sure he was a trier but he wasn't loyal like some seem to think and he rarely brought his A game to our club. Powell is a different kettle of fish as far as I can tell, as his time here was hampered by injury and it seems we let him go rather than the other way around. For the record I think Neil should've kept him..as long as his wage demands were not ridiculous that is. |
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