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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 16, 2023 20:20:46 GMT
The absence of a club statement of any kind is a concern , clear indication it’s more than Neil’s hoped for spasm , how the clubs respond over the next 48 hours will be very important , you can normally trust Stoke to do absolutely the right thing in these circumstances but it’s clear that the referee and wba need to put under severe scrutiny Says confirmed cracked pelvis above but nothing from club yet as you say, WBA seem to be revelling in it.. |
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 16, 2023 21:03:32 GMT
The absence of a club statement of any kind is a concern , clear indication it’s more than Neil’s hoped for spasm , how the clubs respond over the next 48 hours will be very important , you can normally trust Stoke to do absolutely the right thing in these circumstances but it’s clear that the referee and wba need to put under severe scrutiny You can tell it’s a season ender minimum with all the support he’s getting from the players on SM. I’m sure I’ve seen Souttar wish him well. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 16, 2023 21:25:18 GMT
The absence of a club statement of any kind is a concern , clear indication it’s more than Neil’s hoped for spasm , how the clubs respond over the next 48 hours will be very important , you can normally trust Stoke to do absolutely the right thing in these circumstances but it’s clear that the referee and wba need to put under severe scrutiny Or the club are waiting on medical feedback/results following secondary scans once swelling has reduced. All these rumours juat make things worse. AN will update on Monday in his prematch interview for the Wigan game. To be fair any SiM training would say control of communication is key , so even a holding statement dampens down said rumours |
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Post by skip on Apr 16, 2023 22:47:51 GMT
The absence of a club statement of any kind is a concern , clear indication it’s more than Neil’s hoped for spasm , how the clubs respond over the next 48 hours will be very important , you can normally trust Stoke to do absolutely the right thing in these circumstances but it’s clear that the referee and wba need to put under severe scrutiny Says confirmed cracked pelvis above but nothing from club yet as you say, WBA seem to be revelling in it.. What have they been saying? I've got a WBA fan/mate who's right getting on my tits about 'fair play'. |
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Post by skip on Apr 16, 2023 22:53:13 GMT
Did Pearson call the ref a thundercunt or something even better?
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Post by callas12 on Apr 16, 2023 23:08:29 GMT
Yesterday started out as a noisy local derby match with a pretty good atmosphere taking hold between the Stoke and Albion fans.
Bu the way the ref officiated the match and allowed blatant fouls to go unpunished started to make the players and fans tense and the atmosphere gradually became more hostile as the match went on. Which has now clearly spilled over into online media accounts.
I noticed yesterday that the more amenable WBA fans sat in the lower part of the away end had quickly realised the severity of Wilmots injury and predicament & sportingly applauded Wilmot being stretchered off in unison with the Stoke fans. Which is exactly what I'd expect and sure the Stoke fans would do for an opposition player.
But the upper area of WBA support, just in front of the control box area were a totally different breed all together. They were waving towards Wilmot in a 'cheerio' style as he was stretchered off and had already been singing things like "F him off" & songs to that affect at the point the stretcher was being called for. Some clubs you'd expect this type or behaviour from, granted, but WBA fans seem to be more militant and thinking they're something they're not more so than before.
I don't suppose the Stoke v WBA matches when WBA were under Pulis's managementship has helped relations, especially the match where tensions rose after Charlie Adam and Afellay were red carded within 6mins of each other in the bad tempered 1st half of a match at the Britannia in 2015! Which again involved WBA players play acting to unbelievable levels!
The fallout from Saturdays match and the apparent insensitivity from WBA towards Wilmots injury will almost definitely make WBA our new Arsenal/Wolves equivalent of dislike towards following incidents & unsavoury outcomes.
Take a big bow Andy Woolmer for playing your part in things getting out of hand on Saturday. If he'd of got a grip of things sooner, the outcome on & off the pitch could well have been very different.
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Post by tuum on Apr 17, 2023 1:16:34 GMT
He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. Still not sure why Pearson was booked and their player wasn’t. Both of them went in a bit studdy but it was a yellow for both or nothing for both. Haven't seen the Pearson incident so can't comment on specifics but whenever 2 players go in showing studs for a ball then the one who contacts the ball first gets the foul. It's the same when one of the players clears the ball and his follow through makes contact with the other players studs. Foul every time given to the injured player. Seen it so many times down Stoke where you think the Stoke player has done nothing wrong but foul is given against. Refs are pretty consistent on this I think. No idea what the rule is or what guidance the refs receive in interpreting these situations. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 17, 2023 1:43:14 GMT
Agree with your thought process regarding a red card but I'm still convinced to this day that Ryan Shawcross was only red carded in the Ramsey incident once the ref had noted the extent of the injury to Ramseys leg, which is never the way it should be judged on. The ref had no intention of deeming it an illegal tackle when he first viewed it live at full pace. In a lot of people's eyes (even neutral fans), people weren't convinced it was even an offence in the first place, nor one that warranted a yellow card nevermind a red! Im convinced the ref judged that red card on basis of injury alone which was never right. So yesterday I get the ref not red carding purely on basis of seriousness of injury. But there was clearly a foul committed, the linesman flagged and the ref blew his whistle to signal a free kick to us. So on the basis of what he thinks he viewed, he didn't deem it serious enough to punish with a card being shown. In my view he saw it as a minor foul which he had made his mind up it didn't warrant any further punishment other than the free kick being awarded to Stoke. But in the next phase following the initial challenge he has then witnessed the extent & seriousness of Wilmots injuries but has actually not deemed further punishment necessary on this basis alone. In reality I think that him not punishing the player at the time may result in the challenge being reviewed & he may well face a retrospective punishment. I totally get it doesn't help us now going forward as down to 10men yesterday would have really given us the advantage for the duration of yesterday's match. But if the ref didn't realise at the time of the challenge that Asante had been as sly as he had with the collar pull back whilst Wilmot was mid-air, I do get why no further action was taken yesterday. A VAR option may have well been a game changer yesterday as that may have shown how dangerous his actions were, but as it is a retrospective review and punishment is most likely the most we can now expect. Deliberately endangering another player is a red card offence It is, but recklessness, which also involves disregard for the danger to an opponent, is a yellow. So it’s not cut and shut. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 17, 2023 3:38:27 GMT
Says confirmed cracked pelvis above but nothing from club yet as you say, WBA seem to be revelling in it.. What have they been saying? I've got a WBA fan/mate who's right getting on my tits about 'fair play'. Some saying assante is a hero appreciation thread etc then the Pearson video saying we deserve it is particularly embarrassing. |
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Post by raythesailor on Apr 17, 2023 8:17:14 GMT
I have just been quite shocked reading WB fans comments on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.
They really need to take a step back and reflect on their low life gutter scraping attitudes. Shameful but sadly a reflection of today’s society.
My opinion of them and their club has seriously gone down this week end.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2023 8:20:10 GMT
What have they been saying? I've got a WBA fan/mate who's right getting on my tits about 'fair play'. Some saying assante is a hero appreciation thread etc then the Pearson video saying we deserve it is particularly embarrassing. Pearson is the new McLean its fine if they are good enough but they’ve got to do do the business and hes just isnt any of the things the shop window Said most disappointing is his lack of physicality And aggression oh for whelan , Wilkinson ,Huth , shawcross , Faye walters etc saturday we may still have lost but there’d have been a bloody long wait for an ambulance |
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Post by lordb on Apr 17, 2023 8:31:29 GMT
Deliberately endangering another player is a red card offence It is, but recklessness, which also involves disregard for the danger to an opponent, is a yellow. So it’s not cut and shut. That was not reckless that was, clearly, deliberately endangering an opponent the only possible benefit for the Albion player was to get Wilmot hurt That's why it was disgusting If this a pl game the media would be all over it and the player would be in deep shit, the referee would be demoted and so on |
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Post by werrington on Apr 17, 2023 8:32:55 GMT
It is, but recklessness, which also involves disregard for the danger to an opponent, is a yellow. So it’s not cut and shut. That was not reckless that was, clearly, deliberately endangering an opponent the only possible benefit for the Albion player was to get Wilmot hurt That's why it was disgusting If this a pl game the media would be all over it and the player would be in deep shit, the referee would be demoted and so on Especially if it was a “BIG 6” player |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 17, 2023 8:40:44 GMT
Or the club are waiting on medical feedback/results following secondary scans once swelling has reduced. All these rumours juat make things worse. AN will update on Monday in his prematch interview for the Wigan game. To be fair any SiM training would say control of communication is key , so even a holding statement dampens down said rumours Why would the club be commenting on player injuries over a weekend? Do we normally get weekend injury updates? I can't actually very remember one. As AN said post-match, no-one was sure what the injury was and generally they need time to settle before a full assessment. Over a weekend, testing and diagnosis is minimal and even when you have a diagnosis, the prognosis is not immediately clear in terms of recovery time - someone above said. broken pelvis can be 6 weeks, my wife broke her's in cycling accident and was in a wheelchair for 10 weeks but is fully recovered. Monday's press conference is the first time I would expect any news and even then it may be preliminary. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2023 8:53:52 GMT
To be fair any SiM training would say control of communication is key , so even a holding statement dampens down said rumours Why would the club be commenting on player injuries over a weekend? Do we normally get weekend injury updates? I can't actually very remember one. As AN said post-match, no-one was sure what the injury was and generally they need time to settle before a full assessment. Over a weekend, testing and diagnosis is minimal and even when you have a diagnosis, the prognosis is not immediately clear in terms of recovery time - someone above said. broken pelvis can be 6 weeks, my wife broke her's in cycling accident and was in a wheelchair for 10 weeks but is fully recovered. Monday's press conference is the first time I would expect any news and even then it may be preliminary. Personally I think its a bit lazy on our behalf and i the first to say we’ve imported massively off the pitch bit givne the level of concern id have gone for a holding statement if nothing else but each to their own and it’s certainly not a stick to beat the club with as I’ve said they can always be counted on to actually do the right thing in these circumstances which is far more important. |
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Post by greenhoff on Apr 17, 2023 8:55:07 GMT
To be fair any SiM training would say control of communication is key , so even a holding statement dampens down said rumours Why would the club be commenting on player injuries over a weekend? Do we normally get weekend injury updates? I can't actually very remember one. As AN said post-match, no-one was sure what the injury was and generally they need time to settle before a full assessment. Over a weekend, testing and diagnosis is minimal and even when you have a diagnosis, the prognosis is not immediately clear in terms of recovery time - someone above said. broken pelvis can be 6 weeks, my wife broke her's in cycling accident and was in a wheelchair for 10 weeks but is fully recovered. Monday's press conference is the first time I would expect any news and even then it may be preliminary. If he's been taken to our local hospital they'll know exactly what's going on. One of the best trauma centres in the country |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 17, 2023 9:03:41 GMT
Some saying assante is a hero appreciation thread etc then the Pearson video saying we deserve it is particularly embarrassing. Pearson is the new McLean its fine if they are good enough but they’ve got to do do the business and hes just isnt any of the things the shop window Said most disappointing is his lack of physicality And aggression oh for whelan , Wilkinson ,Huth , shawcross , Faye walters etc saturday we may still have lost but there’d have been a bloody long wait for an ambulance Pearson needs to be first signing of the summer if possible in my opinion. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2023 9:12:14 GMT
Pearson is the new McLean its fine if they are good enough but they’ve got to do do the business and hes just isnt any of the things the shop window Said most disappointing is his lack of physicality And aggression oh for whelan , Wilkinson ,Huth , shawcross , Faye walters etc saturday we may still have lost but there’d have been a bloody long wait for an ambulance Pearson needs to be first signing of the summer if possible in my opinion. Good.news for you is I think he will be here next year if not the first jury's firmly out for me he needs a proper boot camp.summer if he's to do what we need |
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Post by Davef on Apr 17, 2023 9:14:36 GMT
Why would the club be commenting on player injuries over a weekend? Do we normally get weekend injury updates? I can't actually very remember one. As AN said post-match, no-one was sure what the injury was and generally they need time to settle before a full assessment. Over a weekend, testing and diagnosis is minimal and even when you have a diagnosis, the prognosis is not immediately clear in terms of recovery time - someone above said. broken pelvis can be 6 weeks, my wife broke her's in cycling accident and was in a wheelchair for 10 weeks but is fully recovered. Monday's press conference is the first time I would expect any news and even then it may be preliminary. Personally I think its a bit lazy on our behalf and i the first to say we’ve imported massively off the pitch bit givne the level of concern id have gone for a holding statement if nothing else but each to their own and it’s certainly not a stick to beat the club with as I’ve said they can always be counted on to actually do the right thing in these circumstances which is far more important. The club rarely, if ever, issues public statements to quell rumours started by a bunch of narcissists on social media. |
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 17, 2023 9:31:01 GMT
Pearson needs to be first signing of the summer if possible in my opinion. Good.news for you is I think he will be here next year if not the first jury's firmly out for me he needs a proper boot camp.summer if he's to do what we need He’s had more good games than bad Benj. when we’ve played well and won during our recent upturn, he’s been one of the reasons why. I guarantee you that without him joining in Jan, we’d be lower down the table than we are. He addressed one of our main problems. |
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Post by butlerstreetbertie on Apr 17, 2023 10:19:43 GMT
Some clarity on the law around this, Law 12 cites serious foul play as 'A tackle or a challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent...'. A caution is for reckless play only. The free IFAB app is really useful for this sort of clarity.
I know as a fact from a premiership referee that when Shawcross was sent off for the tackle on Ramsey he was going to issue a caution but seeing the extent of the injury had to change that to a sending-off because of the nature of the injury.
Missed the match on Saturday, 1st in years due to recovering from an operation, how was the match re-started, didn't say on Radio Stoke.
Best wishes to Wilmott for a speedy recovery.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 17, 2023 10:28:07 GMT
Why would the club be commenting on player injuries over a weekend? Do we normally get weekend injury updates? I can't actually very remember one. As AN said post-match, no-one was sure what the injury was and generally they need time to settle before a full assessment. Over a weekend, testing and diagnosis is minimal and even when you have a diagnosis, the prognosis is not immediately clear in terms of recovery time - someone above said. broken pelvis can be 6 weeks, my wife broke her's in cycling accident and was in a wheelchair for 10 weeks but is fully recovered. Monday's press conference is the first time I would expect any news and even then it may be preliminary. If he's been taken to our local hospital they'll know exactly what's going on. One of the best trauma centres in the country Dependent on how long he had to wait in an Ambulance or the corridor of A&E before being seen/scanned etc 🙄😬 |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 17, 2023 11:02:35 GMT
Some clarity on the law around this, Law 12 cites serious foul play as 'A tackle or a challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent...'. A caution is for reckless play only. The free IFAB app is really useful for this sort of clarity. I know as a fact from a premiership referee that when Shawcross was sent off for the tackle on Ramsey he was going to issue a caution but seeing the extent of the injury had to change that to a sending-off because of the nature of the injury. Missed the match on Saturday, 1st in years due to recovering from an operation, how was the match re-started, didn't say on Radio Stoke. Best wishes to Wilmott for a speedy recovery. Free kick to us so the ref deemed it a foul but not worthy of any further action not even speaking to their player. |
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Post by JudgeMental on Apr 17, 2023 11:24:28 GMT
Wba have now put out a short vid on Facebook showing the 2 incidents with Pearson getting sent off, it's fucking embarrassing even some but only some of there fans have actually said it's embarrassing most are saying we have been kicking them for years so we deserve it fuckwits. That's what happens when you put a BTEC intern in charge of part of a club's comms. Too immature to show some judgement and class - all about the "shits n gigs".  Hopefully if and when the club goes into admin, they'll be in the first cull of "unnecessary roles". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 11:40:42 GMT
Some saying assante is a hero appreciation thread etc then the Pearson video saying we deserve it is particularly embarrassing. Pearson is the new McLean its fine if they are good enough but they’ve got to do do the business and hes just isnt any of the things the shop window Said most disappointing is his lack of physicality And aggression oh for whelan , Wilkinson ,Huth , shawcross , Faye walters etc saturday we may still have lost but there’d have been a bloody long wait for an ambulance Arse gravy |
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Post by datguy on Apr 17, 2023 11:54:55 GMT
Didn’t come on here after the game, was absolutely fuming at what had been objectively the worst and most dangerous refereeing performances I’ve seen.
How much of a wet lettuce was the WBA right back by the way? Going down as if he’d taken an axe to his left arm after Pearson threw the ball at him.
Ben Pearson by the way. Give him Freedom of the City and a 5-year contract.
We’ll be with you Ben Wilmot. Fox, Pearson and Thompson all went through the WBA lad that did it. Fair play lads. Next season the Asante lad will be having it all game won’t he?
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Post by andylgr on Apr 17, 2023 11:56:16 GMT
The incident needs highlighting to the FA / EFL, that kind of challenge is so serious that it warrants a reaction from us as a club. The referees response to it too needs scrutiny as well.
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Post by redstriper on Apr 17, 2023 11:56:16 GMT
When i used to live in the midlands are knew loads of Baggies supporters, down to earth, good people. They are a similar club to us, lurching along on decades on up and downs but generally underachieving, with the vast majority maintaining a sense of humour through it all, even when we were beating them twice a season.
I hope this doesn't get drawn out of proportion just because of a minority of social media warriors (every club has some - including us) and an inept referee.
They aren't Arsenal, and most of their fans aren't the entitled whoppers you get at the Emirates.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 17, 2023 12:00:46 GMT
Pearson has been massively let down by a totally invisible Laurent and Smallbone since Cov. He simply cannot carry a midfield on his own, with the two named players in a different postcode to him when we are out of possession, and also in possession they are not showing for the ball anywhere near enough.
Our mini-run was down primarily to Pearson's influence and with a preseason and games behind him he'll be our best player next season. Amazing he's getting grief for not hiding when others get nothing for doing just that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 12:02:34 GMT
Pearson has been massively let down by a totally invisible Laurent and Smallbone since Cov. He simply cannot carry a midfield on his own, with the two named players in a different postcode to him when we are out of possession, and also in possession they are not showing for the ball anywhere near enough. Our mini-run was down primarily to Pearson's influence and with a preseason and games behind him he'll be our best player next season. Amazing he's getting grief for not hiding when others get nothing for doing just that. This |
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