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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 17:15:41 GMT
Imo
The action should be taken against Asante and the ref .
It's dangerous play from Asante , which is always a straight red for the player in any game at any level.
And it's dangerous refereeing from the ref . Which is a novelty you don't often come across. Can't remember describing a ref as dangerous before, but this ref is dangerous and has to be removed from the game before a player suffers an horrendous injury like a broken back or a broken neck .
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 16, 2023 17:19:15 GMT
For sure, but if the ref didn't see or appreciate what Asante had fully done at that point a reds never going to be given. I think the ref simply saw it as Asante and Wilmot collided mid air and coz Wilmot came off worse he simply gave a bog standard foul to us. I'm guessing/hoping the ref simply saw it as Wilmot falling awkwardly. From my vantage point in the Tile Mountain Stand I was convinced there was some kind of shift pull/tug but without the option of a replay it was definitely a foul, but not 100% a dangerous foul on first live viewing. That's the problem with yesterday. The ref was a complete knobber but giving him the benefit of the doubt for that incident, I think he purely viewed it as a foul but with a injury occuring as a result of an innocuous fall to the ground. Even folk sat near near me weren't 100% sure if it was a foul and deliberate act or an accident. Just as everyone had opinions on what part of his body was actually injured, was pure guess work. Yes In an ideal world the ref would have see the pull back and deemed it dangerous, but for whatever reason he clearly didn't. The ref was perfectly positioned It was the third type of foul that half Disgusting from Albion Abysmal from the ref As the clip shows, the linesman was also in a great position and gave the foul. It would be good to see the other two incidents again. There was a definite ploy by WBA to engage in that type of foul.. and it only stopped when Wilmot went off. The play acting rolling around tactic continued throughout though. /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1647385729088081922¤tTweetUser=Sporting_Jim |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 16, 2023 17:19:25 GMT
At the time it was written the individual will have no idea of the extent of the injury at the very very best it’s a gross misjudgment at worst it’s a incitement and escalation of I’ll feeling that’s downright irresponsible never mind lacking in any level of dignity it categorically ensures WBA v Stoke city next season will carry the venom of the Pulis games Being the devil's advocate it could also be something written about his general performance without really thinking. Taking his horrific foul out of the game he was very impressive and probably man of the match for me. However that just shows how much influence referees have on the outcome of a game. Our best player in the first half spends the second half in hospital while their best player who committed the foul stays on to influence the game. Agree he was the games deciding player with his strength second half but that’s a different issue the social media stuff is chronic misjudgement at best |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 17:33:58 GMT
If it had been in the prem, with var looking at it whilst he's been given oxygen and taken straight to hospital, there's no doubt he'd have been sent off.
The refereeing in this league is so bad, players are routinely put into danger.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 16, 2023 17:40:18 GMT
The ref was perfectly positioned It was the third type of foul that half Disgusting from Albion Abysmal from the ref As the clip shows, the linesman was also in a great position and gave the foul. It would be good to see the other two incidents again. There was a definite ploy by WBA to engage in that type of foul.. and it only stopped when Wilmot went off. The play acting rolling around tactic continued throughout though. /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1647385729088081922¤tTweetUser=Sporting_Jim The linesman correctly flags for the foul, but positioning wise is slightly ahead of play so surely doesn't get to see the extent of Asantes pull back as its a quick fluid motion. Yes the ref has a direct and unobstructed view of the incident but he's by no means close to it. Of course we can say he should have seen it, & the dangerous nature it was done. But he either hasn't seen it in natural time to the degree it was carried out, or simply hasn't interpreted the rules correctly by way of punishment. Either way, Asantes been a sneaky twat & whatever retrospective action is or isn't taken, he's definitely got away with one there. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 16, 2023 17:43:55 GMT
When Shawcross was sent off I thought we were told by the ‘experts’ that when foul play causes a serious injury to an opponent, the referee has no option other than showing a red card.
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 16, 2023 17:50:04 GMT
Genuine question.
I don’t think I can remember hearing of a player out with a cracked/broken pelvis.
What, if such an injury has occurred, are the implications for recovery and time scale?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 16, 2023 17:59:59 GMT
When Shawcross was sent off I thought we were told by the ‘experts’ that when foul play causes a serious injury to an opponent, the referee has no option other than showing a red card. He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 18:02:28 GMT
When Shawcross was sent off I thought we were told by the ‘experts’ that when foul play causes a serious injury to an opponent, the referee has no option other than showing a red card. He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. Still not sure why Pearson was booked and their player wasn’t. Both of them went in a bit studdy but it was a yellow for both or nothing for both. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 16, 2023 18:03:48 GMT
Genuine question. I don’t think I can remember hearing of a player out with a cracked/broken pelvis. What, if such an injury has occurred, are the implications for recovery and time scale? Like everything else i suppose it's how bad the break is and where at least start of next season perhaps longer. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 16, 2023 18:04:11 GMT
When Shawcross was sent off I thought we were told by the ‘experts’ that when foul play causes a serious injury to an opponent, the referee has no option other than showing a red card. He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. Oh no. If accurately reported (I really, really hope so) he called him something waaaaay different to that. A phrase I have never heard previously but immediately stored away in case of needed future use. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 16, 2023 18:07:31 GMT
When Shawcross was sent off I thought we were told by the ‘experts’ that when foul play causes a serious injury to an opponent, the referee has no option other than showing a red card. He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. The Pearson incident is six of one and half a dozen of the other. The West Brom player’s foot was even higher than Pearson’s and he clearly wasn’t in control. Both players should have been booked or neither. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 16, 2023 18:11:58 GMT
He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. Oh no. If accurately reported (I really, really hope so) he called him something waaaaay different to that. A phrase I have never heard previously but immediately stored away in case of needed future use. Yes a good one stored away.. |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 16, 2023 18:15:54 GMT
If Wilmot has a serious injury, I hope that the club demand a review of the disgusting challenge by that scumbag. If WBA had any decency they would then apologise for the manner of the foul.
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Post by nonameface on Apr 16, 2023 18:21:52 GMT
Genuine question. I don’t think I can remember hearing of a player out with a cracked/broken pelvis. What, if such an injury has occurred, are the implications for recovery and time scale? It was an injury that seriously reduced Steve Gerrards pace and lead to him retiring as he couldn't keep taking epidurals. Hopefully won't take too long but the key measure is does he make a full recovery. |
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Post by jeycov on Apr 16, 2023 18:23:27 GMT
Agree with your thought process regarding a red card but I'm still convinced to this day that Ryan Shawcross was only red carded in the Ramsey incident once the ref had noted the extent of the injury to Ramseys leg, which is never the way it should be judged on. The ref had no intention of deeming it an illegal tackle when he first viewed it live at full pace. In a lot of people's eyes (even neutral fans), people weren't convinced it was even an offence in the first place, nor one that warranted a yellow card nevermind a red! Im convinced the ref judged that red card on basis of injury alone which was never right. So yesterday I get the ref not red carding purely on basis of seriousness of injury. But there was clearly a foul committed, the linesman flagged and the ref blew his whistle to signal a free kick to us. So on the basis of what he thinks he viewed, he didn't deem it serious enough to punish with a card being shown. In my view he saw it as a minor foul which he had made his mind up it didn't warrant any further punishment other than the free kick being awarded to Stoke. But in the next phase following the initial challenge he has then witnessed the extent & seriousness of Wilmots injuries but has actually not deemed further punishment necessary on this basis alone. In reality I think that him not punishing the player at the time may result in the challenge being reviewed & he may well face a retrospective punishment. I totally get it doesn't help us now going forward as down to 10men yesterday would have really given us the advantage for the duration of yesterday's match. But if the ref didn't realise at the time of the challenge that Asante had been as sly as he had with the collar pull back whilst Wilmot was mid-air, I do get why no further action was taken yesterday. A VAR option may have well been a game changer yesterday as that may have shown how dangerous his actions were, but as it is a retrospective review and punishment is most likely the most we can now expect. Deliberately endangering another player is a red card offence And VAR would confirm that |
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 16, 2023 18:25:07 GMT
Genuine question. I don’t think I can remember hearing of a player out with a cracked/broken pelvis. What, if such an injury has occurred, are the implications for recovery and time scale? Like everything else i suppose it's how bad the break is and where at least start of next season perhaps longer. Yes. If it is a cracked pelvis and nothing more then six weeks is the "normal" recovery time. Fingers crossed for the lad. |
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Post by mattador78 on Apr 16, 2023 18:25:52 GMT
He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. Oh no. If accurately reported (I really, really hope so) he called him something waaaaay different to that. A phrase I have never heard previously but immediately stored away in case of needed future use. Does it involve thunder |
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 16, 2023 18:41:38 GMT
Like everything else i suppose it's how bad the break is and where at least start of next season perhaps longer. Yes. If it is a cracked pelvis and nothing more then six weeks is the "normal" recovery time. Fingers crossed for the lad. Cracked pelvis confirmed? Certainly better then the other rumour I’d heard. |
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Post by flea79 on Apr 16, 2023 18:49:11 GMT
Yes. If it is a cracked pelvis and nothing more then six weeks is the "normal" recovery time. Fingers crossed for the lad. Cracked pelvis confirmed? Certainly better then the other rumour I’d heard. Not seen any of the rumours I’m hoping it’s just spasms and precautionary and this can all just blow over If it’s serious it will represent a new low in relations between the two clubs and these things tend too not end well If it a bad injury I hope we personally tie him up in so much litigation his grandkids will need expensive lawyers! |
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 16, 2023 18:49:58 GMT
Oh no. If accurately reported (I really, really hope so) he called him something waaaaay different to that. A phrase I have never heard previously but immediately stored away in case of needed future use. Does it involve thunder Your a beautiful man 👨 |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 16, 2023 18:53:34 GMT
He was never going to send him off yesterday, but how did he not give a yellow? He had about 8 minutes to make the decision. He should have booked him after Wilmot got stretchered off. Asante then went on to be able to commit more full blooded challenges, without fear of getting a second yellow. He then books Pearson for a 50/50 in which he was probably fouled, and then sends him off when he tells him what a knob he is. The Pearson incident is six of one and half a dozen of the other. The West Brom player’s foot was even higher than Pearson’s and he clearly wasn’t in control. Both players should have been booked or neither. Maybe the other player hadn't spent a large proportion of the last how many minutes getting in the referee's face. Just saying! |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 16, 2023 19:18:30 GMT
The Pearson incident is six of one and half a dozen of the other. The West Brom player’s foot was even higher than Pearson’s and he clearly wasn’t in control. Both players should have been booked or neither. Maybe the other player hadn't spent a large proportion of the last how many minutes getting in the referee's face. Just saying! Bollocks… And if his decision did have anything to do with that for Pearsons first booking, then he wants sacking for that too as that’s a completely unacceptable way to officiate. Anyway, the ref is a massive prick. |
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Post by s7oke on Apr 16, 2023 19:22:15 GMT
The Pearson incident is six of one and half a dozen of the other. The West Brom player’s foot was even higher than Pearson’s and he clearly wasn’t in control. Both players should have been booked or neither. Maybe the other player hadn't spent a large proportion of the last how many minutes getting in the referee's face. Just saying! Or maybe he did Either way the ref wants sacking for being wank |
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Post by haway on Apr 16, 2023 19:29:11 GMT
Maybe the other player hadn't spent a large proportion of the last how many minutes getting in the referee's face. Just saying! Or maybe he did Either way the ref wants sacking for being wank That’s a description of 90% of EFL referees to be fair. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 16, 2023 19:35:02 GMT
Maybe the other player hadn't spent a large proportion of the last how many minutes getting in the referee's face. Just saying! Bollocks… And if his decision did have anything to do with that for Pearsons first booking, then he wants sacking for that too as that’s a completely unacceptable way to officiate. Anyway, the ref is a massive prick. Of course it is he should have booked them for getting in his face in the first place and not take recriminating action later. The ref was completely wank but I've no time for players getting in their faces it should be an automatic booking. They should be held accountable for their decisions and be made to explain themselves. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 16, 2023 19:59:52 GMT
If Wilmot has a serious injury, I hope that the club demand a review of the disgusting challenge by that scumbag. If WBA had any decency they would then apologise for the manner of the foul. And also apologise for the official club tweet trivialising the injury and designed to stir the shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 20:05:27 GMT
The most clear cut red card I have ever seen .
Blatant dangerous play.
He has yanked wilmot's shirt , when he is mid air and sent him crashing to the ground, with no control over his fall .
Wilmot could have broken his back , his neck , his pelvis, all three , even been left in a wheelchair.
It is blatant dangerous play and every ref knows that dangerous play is always a straight red.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 16, 2023 20:13:46 GMT
Wba have now put out a short vid on Facebook showing the 2 incidents with Pearson getting sent off, it's fucking embarrassing even some but only some of there fans have actually said it's embarrassing most are saying we have been kicking them for years so we deserve it fuckwits.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 16, 2023 20:17:57 GMT
The absence of a club statement of any kind is a concern , clear indication it’s more than Neil’s hoped for spasm , how the clubs respond over the next 48 hours will be very important , you can normally trust Stoke to do absolutely the right thing in these circumstances but it’s clear that the referee and wba need to put under severe scrutiny
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