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Post by thevoid on Apr 13, 2023 20:42:06 GMT
Fair point, but Manchester Arena is a huge arena, this won’t have the same effect. I don’t like to be negative about the city but there’s been so many false dawns it’s difficult to be positive I do agree that the 3,500 capacity does bother me too. If you're going to do it, do it properly and look at something in the region of 5-7,000 capacity. Stoke has an absolutely huge catchment area from Manchester and Liverpool in the North, Brum to the West, Nottingham to the East, Coventry to the South and everything else inbetween. There isn't a venue in any of those cities with that sort of capacity and apart from the super acts, we could host most of the major artistes. Well we used to attract DJs from all over the world so why not? If we can get people into the city centre then they're spending in the bars and restaurants
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Post by stuammo on Apr 13, 2023 20:49:30 GMT
I think the capacity if alright. Yes there’s catchment from Manchester Birmingham, derby etc but the likelihood that anyone your hoping to attract to perform will also be performing in these cities too so the capacity is more fitting with the city of stoke itself. There needs to be places to go before and after, an infrastructure to support it. Travel and transport. Hotels.
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Post by gawa on Apr 13, 2023 20:53:28 GMT
Won't be long till the tories have filled that hotel with asylum seekers 🤣
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Post by foster on Apr 13, 2023 21:06:11 GMT
Won't be long till the tories have filled that hotel with asylum seekers 🤣 Hartshill will be responding to this shortly. He's a big advocate of free hotels.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 21:31:07 GMT
Won't be long till the tories have filled that hotel with asylum seekers 🤣 Hartshill will be responding to this shortly. He's a big advocate of free hotels. I’d never respond to such right wing filth👀
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 13, 2023 21:31:37 GMT
I think the capacity if alright. Yes there’s catchment from Manchester Birmingham, derby etc but the likelihood that anyone your hoping to attract to perform will also be performing in these cities too so the capacity is more fitting with the city of stoke itself. There needs to be places to go before and after, an infrastructure to support it. Travel and transport. Hotels. The suggestion I was making, is that because of the lack of a similar sized venue in any of those cities, then hopefully bands would choose to play in Stoke INSTEAD of those other cities. There are plenty of 3,000 capacity venues for bands already to choose from, in the North West and North Midlands.
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Post by stuammo on Apr 13, 2023 21:43:13 GMT
I think the capacity if alright. Yes there’s catchment from Manchester Birmingham, derby etc but the likelihood that anyone your hoping to attract to perform will also be performing in these cities too so the capacity is more fitting with the city of stoke itself. There needs to be places to go before and after, an infrastructure to support it. Travel and transport. Hotels. The suggestion I was making, is that because of the lack of a similar sized venue in any of those cities, then hopefully bands would choose to play in Stoke INSTEAD of those other cities. There are plenty of 3,000 capacity venues for bands already to choose from, in the North West and North Midlands. I don’t see this as an instead of venue rather an additional one I think
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 13, 2023 21:58:17 GMT
Looking on Wikipedia it has The Victoria Hall at 1,467, and The Regent Theatre at 1,600. So an arena which is more than twice the size of either could/should attract the 'next level' of performers. (Still feel we're selling ourselves a bit short with the capacity though, surely we could manage 5,000?!) Yep, that I think is a legitimate worry. A 3,500 seat arena isn't really going to attract the next level sized acts, when there are plenty of such sized venues elsewhere. There's a circuit and if an act is already going to play Birmingham, Manchester and/or Liverpool, this size of venue offers them no incentive to choose Stoke as one of their stops instead, whereas a 5,000 capacity venue would do. Of course there will be plenty of gigs to come, as well as sports events and exhibitions but I wouldn't place that much hope on pinching concerts from (say) Liverpool Empire or Manchester Apollo. Exactly my point. If we’re pointing it out on the bleeding Oatcake then surely the powers that be would be?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 13, 2023 23:01:02 GMT
I do agree that the 3,500 capacity does bother me too. If you're going to do it, do it properly and look at something in the region of 5-7,000 capacity. Stoke has an absolutely huge catchment area from Manchester and Liverpool in the North, Brum to the West, Nottingham to the East, Coventry to the South and everything else inbetween. There isn't a venue in any of those cities with that sort of capacity and apart from the super acts, we could host most of the major artistes. Well we used to attract DJs from all over the world so why not? If we can get people into the city centre then they're spending in the bars and restaurants To do that, you have to build up those scenes. It would also help to bring up wages in the area so that restaurants weren’t heavily reliant on the occasional good performance.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 14, 2023 10:08:53 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 14, 2023 10:12:41 GMT
I've posted this before but worth repeating. The opportunity to build a large Arena (10,000 +) was there on the Etruria Valley along with the upgrading of infrastructure to support it. Links improved up to Hanley and Bingo. Sadly no one had the balls or the wherewithal to push for it. Think how Birmingham and Manchester and other LA's did successfully.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 14, 2023 11:24:38 GMT
I suppose it's too much to expect some sort of eSports facility to be incorporated in this new arena, doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 14, 2023 11:35:24 GMT
I suppose it's too much to expect some sort of eSports facility to be incorporated in this new arena, doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come. Would that basically be a modernized arcade? Sounds like a nice idea.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 14, 2023 11:43:03 GMT
I suppose it's too much to expect some sort of eSports facility to be incorporated in this new arena, doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come. Would that basically be a modernized arcade? Sounds like a nice idea. From my, admittedly very limited, research, some of these gamers are very much reaching celebrity status, bits I've seen are of those sort competing on a stage with the action played out on a huge screen. I imagine the local council will have had the foresight to at least consider it.. Then again they did pay someone to daub meaningless slogans across the city so who knows 🤷
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Apr 14, 2023 11:51:44 GMT
Looking on Wikipedia it has The Victoria Hall at 1,467, and The Regent Theatre at 1,600. So an arena which is more than twice the size of either could/should attract the 'next level' of performers. (Still feel we're selling ourselves a bit short with the capacity though, surely we could manage 5,000?!) Yep, that I think is a legitimate worry. A 3,500 seat arena isn't really going to attract the next level sized acts, when there are plenty of such sized venues elsewhere. There's a circuit and if an act is already going to play Birmingham, Manchester and/or Liverpool, this size of venue offers them no incentive to choose Stoke as one of their stops instead, whereas a 5,000 capacity venue would do. Of course there will be plenty of gigs to come, as well as sports events and exhibitions but I wouldn't place that much hope on pinching concerts from (say) Liverpool Empire or Manchester Apollo. It depends - if it's properly thought out and designed from the ground up as a concert venue with facilities and layout to match, there's no reason why once word got around, that it couldn't squeeze in to that bracket. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the Manc Apollo (a converted cinema) - especially if you end up in the seats upstairs. Promoters and people who actually have to work in the industry might look favourably on something new and purpose-built. I think people would travel from other conurbations too. I'm always surprised at the level of artist that plays at the Picturedome in Holmfirth - smack in the middle of the Pennines between Leeds and Manchester, but still regularly on tour itineraries.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Apr 14, 2023 11:55:02 GMT
I guess the idea is that it would be capable of attracting acts that do the larger theatre tours (eg. Manc Apollo), which the Vicky Hall (1,500 capacity?) can't accommodate. Looking on Wikipedia it has The Victoria Hall at 1,467, and The Regent Theatre at 1,600. So an arena which is more than twice the size of either could/should attract the 'next level' of performers. (Still feel we're selling ourselves a bit short with the capacity though, surely we could manage 5,000?!) Have they reduced the capacity of the Viccy Hall? Or have they measured when the downstairs is set up for seating and not standing? I always had it in mind that it was about 2000 capacity.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 14, 2023 11:55:18 GMT
Would that basically be a modernized arcade? Sounds like a nice idea. From my, admittedly very limited, research, some of these gamers are very much reaching celebrity status, bits I've seen are of those sort competing on a stage with the action played out on a huge screen. I imagine the local council will have had the foresight to at least consider it.. Then again they did pay someone to daub meaningless slogans across the city so who knows 🤷 This is from the recent Valorant 'Lock In' event in Brazil, I'm sure it'd be easy enough to fit something like this inside the new arena. For older, more established esports like Counter Strike or League Of Legends you'd need a bigger arena. CS LOL
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Post by elystokie on Apr 14, 2023 12:08:55 GMT
From my, admittedly very limited, research, some of these gamers are very much reaching celebrity status, bits I've seen are of those sort competing on a stage with the action played out on a huge screen. I imagine the local council will have had the foresight to at least consider it.. Then again they did pay someone to daub meaningless slogans across the city so who knows 🤷 This is from the recent Valorant 'Lock In' event in Brazil, I'm sure it'd be easy enough to fit something like this inside the new arena. For older, more established esports like Counter Strike or League Of Legends you'd need a bigger arena. CS LOL Well we're ideally located geographically for such events, I'd go all out to make it the new 'darts'
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Post by felonious on Apr 14, 2023 17:25:08 GMT
Yep, that I think is a legitimate worry. A 3,500 seat arena isn't really going to attract the next level sized acts, when there are plenty of such sized venues elsewhere. There's a circuit and if an act is already going to play Birmingham, Manchester and/or Liverpool, this size of venue offers them no incentive to choose Stoke as one of their stops instead, whereas a 5,000 capacity venue would do. Of course there will be plenty of gigs to come, as well as sports events and exhibitions but I wouldn't place that much hope on pinching concerts from (say) Liverpool Empire or Manchester Apollo. It depends - if it's properly thought out and designed from the ground up as a concert venue with facilities and layout to match, there's no reason why once word got around, that it couldn't squeeze in to that bracket. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the Manc Apollo (a converted cinema) - especially if you end up in the seats upstairs. Promoters and people who actually have to work in the industry might look favourably on something new and purpose-built. I think people would travel from other conurbations too. I'm always surprised at the level of artist that plays at the Picturedome in Holmfirth - smack in the middle of the Pennines between Leeds and Manchester, but still regularly on tour itineraries. It's the same with the Piece Hall at Halifax slightly back of beyond, it houses around 5,000 but attracts a decent level of artist although the venue itself is a bit special. I went to see Jethro Tull at the Viccy Hall around 18? months ago and got chatting to the lady next to me. Our conversation highlights the problem facing Hanley. She deliberately arrived early to have a look around the city centre and found very little of value. Fortunately she discovered Hanley Park and gave it a glowing reference. The second issue was that she used the train and therefore arrived in Stoke. I did offer to take her back to the train station and she politely declined even though I did have my very well mannered son with me
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2023 17:32:06 GMT
It depends - if it's properly thought out and designed from the ground up as a concert venue with facilities and layout to match, there's no reason why once word got around, that it couldn't squeeze in to that bracket. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the Manc Apollo (a converted cinema) - especially if you end up in the seats upstairs. Promoters and people who actually have to work in the industry might look favourably on something new and purpose-built. I think people would travel from other conurbations too. I'm always surprised at the level of artist that plays at the Picturedome in Holmfirth - smack in the middle of the Pennines between Leeds and Manchester, but still regularly on tour itineraries. It's the same with the Piece Hall at Halifax slightly back of beyond, it houses around 5,000 but attracts a decent level of artist although the venue itself is a bit special. I went to see Jethro Tull at the Viccy Hall around 18? months ago and got chatting to the lady next to me. Our conversation highlights the problem facing Hanley. She deliberately arrived early to have a look around the city centre and found very little of value. Fortunately she discovered Hanley Park and gave it a glowing reference. The second issue was that she used the train and therefore arrived in Stoke. I did offer to take her back to the train station and she politely declined even though I did have my very well mannered son with me Pervert
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2023 17:33:37 GMT
I suppose it's too much to expect some sort of eSports facility to be incorporated in this new arena, doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come. This is an idea I was going to chuck out last night but forgot about. I think it’s an excellent idea. Not into myself at the moment but it’s a massively growing market and would definitely create the footfall
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 14, 2023 17:57:27 GMT
doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come. Not into myself at the moment but it’s a massively growing market and would definitely create the footfall You should both get & join the well over 100,000 people currently watching Giants v BBL in the Valorant VCT EMEA league on Twitch. Followed afterwards by Vitality v Karmine Corp (KC are hilarious to watch, for a fully franchised team filled with professional players they're fucking clueless on how to actually play the game... And they're a French team, nowt better than laughing at a French team getting shit on!)
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 14, 2023 18:24:56 GMT
I suppose it's too much to expect some sort of eSports facility to be incorporated in this new arena, doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come. Behave. They’ll probably be boasting about broadband facilities and contactless payments.
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Post by lagwafis on Apr 14, 2023 18:28:55 GMT
From my, admittedly very limited, research, some of these gamers are very much reaching celebrity status, bits I've seen are of those sort competing on a stage with the action played out on a huge screen. I imagine the local council will have had the foresight to at least consider it.. Then again they did pay someone to daub meaningless slogans across the city so who knows 🤷 This is from the recent Valorant 'Lock In' event in Brazil, I'm sure it'd be easy enough to fit something like this inside the new arena. For older, more established esports like Counter Strike or League Of Legends you'd need a bigger arena. CS LOL Sentinel - 'Hanley to host 2032 Pong World Cup'
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Post by elystokie on Apr 14, 2023 18:34:36 GMT
Not into myself at the moment but it’s a massively growing market and would definitely create the footfall You should both get & join the well over 100,000 people currently watching Giants v BBL in the Valorant VCT EMEA league on Twitch. Followed afterwards by Vitality v Karmine Corp (KC are hilarious to watch, for a fully franchised team filled with professional players they're fucking clueless on how to actually play the game... And they're a French team, nowt better than laughing at a French team getting shit on!) I'll have to take your word for it, I just about know what Twitch is, the rest is a mystery
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 15, 2023 4:02:10 GMT
I suppose it's too much to expect some sort of eSports facility to be incorporated in this new arena, doesn't hold much interest for me personally but I can see it being huge in years to come. This is an idea I was going to chuck out last night but forgot about. I think it’s an excellent idea. Not into myself at the moment but it’s a massively growing market and would definitely create the footfall From what I understand there's quite the CVG department at Staffs Uni nowadays. Anything to attract talented people to the city, or encourage talented people from the city to stay here is worth investing in. Apparently car parks must have the ability to do that unless I'm missing something 🤷
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Post by figo85 on Apr 16, 2023 6:42:03 GMT
Would that basically be a modernized arcade? Sounds like a nice idea. From my, admittedly very limited, research, some of these gamers are very much reaching celebrity status, bits I've seen are of those sort competing on a stage with the action played out on a huge screen. I imagine the local council will have had the foresight to at least consider it.. Then again they did pay someone to daub meaningless slogans across the city so who knows 🤷 Esports based subjects, such as Esports Management, are rapidly growing at colleges etc. This industry will have similar growth to tech based qualifications.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 7:31:04 GMT
From my, admittedly very limited, research, some of these gamers are very much reaching celebrity status, bits I've seen are of those sort competing on a stage with the action played out on a huge screen. I imagine the local council will have had the foresight to at least consider it.. Then again they did pay someone to daub meaningless slogans across the city so who knows 🤷 Esports based subjects, such as Esports Management, are rapidly growing at colleges etc. This industry will have similar growth to tech based qualifications. Staffs Uni offered the first such course in the country and still offers it alongside loads of other games subject. And is one of the best places around to study games at. It should be a no brainer with the knowledge held locally to get it done. But does either party have the vision?
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Post by figo85 on Apr 16, 2023 11:45:01 GMT
Esports based subjects, such as Esports Management, are rapidly growing at colleges etc. This industry will have similar growth to tech based qualifications. Staffs Uni offered the first such course in the country and still offers it alongside loads of other games subject. And is one of the best places around to study games at. It should be a no brainer with the knowledge held locally to get it done. But does either party have the vision? Unless they personally gain from it, probably not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 11:45:58 GMT
Staffs Uni offered the first such course in the country and still offers it alongside loads of other games subject. And is one of the best places around to study games at. It should be a no brainer with the knowledge held locally to get it done. But does either party have the vision? Unless they personally gain from it, probably not. I don’t see how they wouldn’t tbh. Getting the students working on real world massive events would be huge.
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