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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 13, 2023 15:28:02 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/hanley-skyline-set-change-forever-8028621Reading the sentinel comments section is depressing as fuck. Maybe I am naive but I look at this sort of development and think "this is exactly the sort of thing SOT needs" but all the comments are the opposite. Maybe someone can fill me in as to why such negativity? TBF the sentinel comments section is an absolute cesspit but maybe they are onto something that I'm not seeing. Because I look at this development (and the goods yard) and think these are exactly the sort of projects that SOT needs to improve as a city and increase investment/opportunities and reverse the decline it's been on since de-industrialisation.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 13, 2023 15:30:25 GMT
Where does a new arena leave the (fantastic) Victoria Hall?
Surely the capacity of the new arena won't be so much that the two could co-exist?
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Post by dexter97 on Apr 13, 2023 15:39:14 GMT
Where does a new arena leave the (fantastic) Victoria Hall? Surely the capacity of the new arena won't be so much that the two could co-exist? I guess the idea is that it would be capable of attracting acts that do the larger theatre tours (eg. Manc Apollo), which the Vicky Hall (1,500 capacity?) can't accommodate.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 13, 2023 15:48:43 GMT
Where does a new arena leave the (fantastic) Victoria Hall? Surely the capacity of the new arena won't be so much that the two could co-exist? I guess the idea is that it would be capable of attracting acts that do the larger theatre tours (eg. Manc Apollo), which the Vicky Hall (1,500 capacity?) can't accommodate. Looking on Wikipedia it has The Victoria Hall at 1,467, and The Regent Theatre at 1,600. So an arena which is more than twice the size of either could/should attract the 'next level' of performers. (Still feel we're selling ourselves a bit short with the capacity though, surely we could manage 5,000?!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 15:57:05 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/hanley-skyline-set-change-forever-8028621Reading the sentinel comments section is depressing as fuck. Maybe I am naive but I look at this sort of development and think "this is exactly the sort of thing SOT needs" but all the comments are the opposite. Maybe someone can fill me in as to why such negativity? TBF the sentinel comments section is an absolute cesspit but maybe they are onto something that I'm not seeing. Because I look at this development (and the goods yard) and think these are exactly the sort of projects that SOT needs to improve as a city and increase investment/opportunities and reverse the decline it's been on since de-industrialisation. So do you agree that it's unlikely to come to fruition?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 13, 2023 16:00:27 GMT
So do you agree that it's unlikely to come to fruition? THere's an election looming so I suspect yes, I agree!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 13, 2023 16:56:43 GMT
It's in the wrong place for me, it should be somewhere around Stoke.
I'm not going to comment on the likelihood of any of it ever happening.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 13, 2023 17:12:06 GMT
I guess the idea is that it would be capable of attracting acts that do the larger theatre tours (eg. Manc Apollo), which the Vicky Hall (1,500 capacity?) can't accommodate. Looking on Wikipedia it has The Victoria Hall at 1,467, and The Regent Theatre at 1,600. So an arena which is more than twice the size of either could/should attract the 'next level' of performers. (Still feel we're selling ourselves a bit short with the capacity though, surely we could manage 5,000?!) Yep, that I think is a legitimate worry. A 3,500 seat arena isn't really going to attract the next level sized acts, when there are plenty of such sized venues elsewhere. There's a circuit and if an act is already going to play Birmingham, Manchester and/or Liverpool, this size of venue offers them no incentive to choose Stoke as one of their stops instead, whereas a 5,000 capacity venue would do. Of course there will be plenty of gigs to come, as well as sports events and exhibitions but I wouldn't place that much hope on pinching concerts from (say) Liverpool Empire or Manchester Apollo.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 13, 2023 17:15:03 GMT
At least there's funding for a car park. You can park there to look at the other car parks
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Post by stuammo on Apr 13, 2023 18:40:32 GMT
Where does the support of a venue come from? If you start to get 3-4k people coming to a town centre then they need pubs, restaurants and associated venues to support this. Where are they? Thereâs barely any pubs left in Hanley. As a city centre itâs a depressing hole with no restaurants, pubs and bars.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 18:42:01 GMT
Where does the support of a venue come from? If you start to get 3-4k people coming to a town centre then they need pubs, restaurants and associated venues to support this. Where are they? Thereâs barely any pubs left in Hanley. As a city centre itâs a depressing hole with no restaurants, pubs and bars. Thereâs a plethora of pubs in Shelton!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 18:45:40 GMT
It's in the wrong place for me, it should be somewhere around Stoke. I'm not going to comment on the likelihood of any of it ever happening. Trouble is, you know if it were come to fruition it would be so half arsed. I really hope SOMETHING GOOD happens because I want my city to get some identity back. Iâm sick of having to go to Manchester or wherever for some form of entertainment. Good news about another car park though. They must have something big up their sleeve otherwise whatâs the point?đ
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 13, 2023 18:54:27 GMT
It's in the wrong place for me, it should be somewhere around Stoke. I'm not going to comment on the likelihood of any of it ever happening. Trouble is, you know if it were come to fruition it would be so half arsed. I really hope SOMETHING GOOD happens because I want my city to get some identity back. Iâm sick of having to go to Manchester or wherever for some form of entertainment. Good news about another car park though. They must have something big up their sleeve otherwise whatâs the point?đ You just know that none of these car parks will be designed to be future proofed to take the weight of the EVs we'll all be driving.
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Post by UNKLE on Apr 13, 2023 19:18:45 GMT
Drove through Hanley today for the first time in years whilst up to see the folks. I wouldnât know where to start with investment.
Drove up to the Titanic Brewery shop to get some provisions to take home to London. The shop is brilliant but the journey there was like going back in timeâŠ.reminded me of Bradford 30 years ago (where I was a student, and official slum area at the time)âŠ.the deprivation, empty shops and takeaways.
Itâs been said before on this thread but the different towns with competing needs and topography makes cohesive central investment very difficult.
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Post by stuammo on Apr 13, 2023 19:26:54 GMT
Where does the support of a venue come from? If you start to get 3-4k people coming to a town centre then they need pubs, restaurants and associated venues to support this. Where are they? Thereâs barely any pubs left in Hanley. As a city centre itâs a depressing hole with no restaurants, pubs and bars. Thereâs a plethora of pubs in Shelton! Is there? Theyâve all gone too. Corner cupboard, roebuck, firkin all gone
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 19:29:05 GMT
Thereâs a plethora of pubs in Shelton! Is there? Theyâve all gone too. Corner cupboard, roebuck, firkin all gone I was being sarcastic againđ Use to pop into the Bell and Bear after work a few years back. Is the Dume of Wellington still open? I doubt it. Got barred from the Corner Cupboard for putting music on the landlord didnât appreciate, great daysđ€Ł
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Post by stuammo on Apr 13, 2023 20:03:33 GMT
Is there? Theyâve all gone too. Corner cupboard, roebuck, firkin all gone I was being sarcastic againđ Use to pop into the Bell and Bear after work a few years back. Is the Dume of Wellington still open? I doubt it. Got barred from the Corner Cupboard for putting music on the landlord didnât appreciate, great daysđ€Ł I gathered you were đ but in seriousness to support such a project there needs to be more. Hanley has Wetherspoons, tontine, Market tavern, auctioneer and the unicorn. Thatâs it pub wise. Imagine going to a city centre anywhere else in the country and that being your choice of pubs. Itâs abysmal.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 13, 2023 20:09:27 GMT
I was being sarcastic againđ Use to pop into the Bell and Bear after work a few years back. Is the Dume of Wellington still open? I doubt it. Got barred from the Corner Cupboard for putting music on the landlord didnât appreciate, great daysđ€Ł I gathered you were đ but in seriousness to support such a project there needs to be more. Hanley has Wetherspoons, tontine, Market tavern, auctioneer and the unicorn. Thatâs it pub wise. Imagine going to a city centre anywhere else in the country and that being your choice of pubs. Itâs abysmal. I guess they would be hoping that the area around the arena will attract additional investment simply because of it's presence. Hopefully bars, restaurants and shops would spring up around it over future years.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 20:17:24 GMT
I gathered you were đ but in seriousness to support such a project there needs to be more. Hanley has Wetherspoons, tontine, Market tavern, auctioneer and the unicorn. Thatâs it pub wise. Imagine going to a city centre anywhere else in the country and that being your choice of pubs. Itâs abysmal. I guess they would be hoping that the area around the arena will attract additional investment simply because of it's presence. Hopefully bars, restaurants and shops would spring up around it over future years. TBH honest Iâd rather the proposed area be used as a social/entertainment hub anyway rather than a potential white elephant of an arena. At a small capacity there seems little point with the Vic and the Regent in close proximity
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 20:24:56 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 13, 2023 20:25:26 GMT
I guess they would be hoping that the area around the arena will attract additional investment simply because of it's presence. Hopefully bars, restaurants and shops would spring up around it over future years. TBH honest Iâd rather the proposed area be used as a social/entertainment hub anyway rather than a potential white elephant of an arena. At a small capacity there seems little point with the Vic and the Regent in close proximity I suppose we've got to hope that the town planners have got all their ducks in a row and there is a comprehensive plan for the entire area and it doesn't simply begin and end with the erection of a small arena on a patch of land.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 13, 2023 20:26:02 GMT
I was being sarcastic againđ Use to pop into the Bell and Bear after work a few years back. Is the Dume of Wellington still open? I doubt it. Got barred from the Corner Cupboard for putting music on the landlord didnât appreciate, great daysđ€Ł I gathered you were đ but in seriousness to support such a project there needs to be more. Hanley has Wetherspoons, tontine, Market tavern, auctioneer and the unicorn. Thatâs it pub wise. Imagine going to a city centre anywhere else in the country and that being your choice of pubs. Itâs abysmal. The Woodman (opposite the are we're on about) isn't bad, plenty of real ale and ciders on. Beats The Coachmakers which is overrated IMHO The Auctioneer could be a cracking venue given it's size and space. Always looks full of wrong 'uns though
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 20:28:35 GMT
TBH honest Iâd rather the proposed area be used as a social/entertainment hub anyway rather than a potential white elephant of an arena. At a small capacity there seems little point with the Vic and the Regent in close proximity I suppose we've got to hope that the town planners have got all their ducks in a row and there is a comprehensive plan for the entire area and it doesn't simply begin and end with the erection of a small arena on a patch of land. I believe the phrase is âpissing in the windâ bit we have to hope I guess. I just donât think a small capacity arena is any use tbh
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 20:29:56 GMT
I gathered you were đ but in seriousness to support such a project there needs to be more. Hanley has Wetherspoons, tontine, Market tavern, auctioneer and the unicorn. Thatâs it pub wise. Imagine going to a city centre anywhere else in the country and that being your choice of pubs. Itâs abysmal. The Woodman (opposite the are we're on about) isn't bad, plenty of real ale and ciders on. Beats The Coachmakers which is overrated IMHO The Auctioneer could be a cracking venue given it's size and space. Always looks full of wrong 'uns though The Auctioneers is a CESSPIT. Wilkos favourite trigger wordđ
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 13, 2023 20:30:13 GMT
Which itself, piggy backed on the success of the Manchester Arena, that had opened 5 years earlier.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 20:32:22 GMT
Which itself, piggy backed on the success of the Manchester Arena, that had opened 5 years earlier. Fair point, but Manchester Arena is a huge arena, this wonât have the same effect. I donât like to be negative about the city but thereâs been so many false dawns itâs difficult to be positive
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Post by thevoid on Apr 13, 2023 20:33:54 GMT
The Woodman (opposite the are we're on about) isn't bad, plenty of real ale and ciders on. Beats The Coachmakers which is overrated IMHO The Auctioneer could be a cracking venue given it's size and space. Always looks full of wrong 'uns though The Auctioneers is a CESSPIT. Wilkos favourite trigger wordđ Or we could have a sensible discussion without encouraging him to ruin another thread
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 13, 2023 20:36:15 GMT
The Woodman (opposite the are we're on about) isn't bad, plenty of real ale and ciders on. Beats The Coachmakers which is overrated IMHO The Auctioneer could be a cracking venue given it's size and space. Always looks full of wrong 'uns though The Auctioneers is a CESSPIT. Wilkos favourite trigger wordđ I buy all my razors from in there. Gillette can fuck right off if they think I'm paying their extortionate prices.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2023 20:39:24 GMT
The Auctioneers is a CESSPIT. Wilkos favourite trigger wordđ Or we could have a sensible discussion without encouraging him to ruin another thread Good pointđđ»
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 13, 2023 20:39:56 GMT
Which itself, piggy backed on the success of the Manchester Arena, that had opened 5 years earlier. Fair point, but Manchester Arena is a huge arena, this wonât have the same effect. I donât like to be negative about the city but thereâs been so many false dawns itâs difficult to be positive I do agree that the 3,500 capacity does bother me too. If you're going to do it, do it properly and look at something in the region of 5-7,000 capacity. Stoke has an absolutely huge catchment area from Manchester and Liverpool in the North, Brum to the West, Nottingham to the East, Coventry to the South and everything else inbetween. There isn't a venue in any of those cities with that sort of capacity and apart from the super acts, we could host most of the major artistes.
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