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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 31, 2022 13:35:45 GMT
I mean this “seriously smart dude” said this : “Women have been exchanging sex for opportunity for a very long time. Some did this. Weren’t abused. […] If you put yourself in a position to be raped, you must bare some responsibility.” He’s absolute vermin. Posting the full quote not because I think the soundbite is justifiable (I don't) but, as with most of the things I've heard him say since recently being made aware of him, I agree with a large % of it. I get that most people here find a large % of what he says reprehensible; but for me personally, do I throw the baby out with the bathwater when I think most of what he says is vital and needs to be heard? (obviously this is pending the ongoing investigation which I expect is a hitjob but could turn out to be valid - innocent until proven guilty except on the oatcake) Also where is this notion that because you find someone's views reprehensible, then that automatically means they're not smart? Can you not be "seriously smart"/"vermin" simultaneously? Fairly sure you can. In this case I'd throw out the baby and keep the bathwater. At least you can treat bathwater and get the shit out.
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Post by superjw on Dec 31, 2022 13:38:34 GMT
There is a video where he talks about his belief that certain people are “after him” and that his initial social media cancellation was just the start, with the next step him being arrested for something out of the blue. He considers these as warnings from powers that be against things he has/is saying That video was made after he'd first been detained by Romanian police back in April and was made aware the investigation extended to rape charges (which is why he'd stayed away from Romania ever since, until the last few days of course). I'm pretty sure that most people who had rape charges dangling over them could foretell that there was a chance that people may be "after them", it's hardly some kind of bizarre prophecy that came from out of the blue from nowhere and therefore must back up some kind of wild conspiracy theory. It's an investigation that was already ongoing and he'd been detained for by the police previously...but you carry on believing the "arrest out of the blue" nonsense if you like fella. After all, he's 100% relying on people like you who will believe him without first doing the tiniest bit of homework on him P.S. i presume you're aware that he first went over to Romania to escape an assault charge he was being investigated for here in the UK and he himself said that "40% of the reason" that he went there is that it's easier to escape rape charges? He then qualified that by saying "I'm not actually a rapist but i like the idea of being able to do whatever i want, i like to be free", as if that somehow makes it sound better. When did I say I liked the bloke or defended any of the stuff he’s said and done? I’ve only referenced the single video I’ve seen of him and what his belief was. Your making some big leaps, calm yourself down. For what it’s worth I don’t give a single toss about him or anything going on about it. If he’s found guilty of what he is suspected of, then he deserves everything coming - end of story really
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 13:43:24 GMT
That video was made after he'd first been detained by Romanian police back in April and was made aware the investigation extended to rape charges (which is why he'd stayed away from Romania ever since, until the last few days of course). I'm pretty sure that most people who had rape charges dangling over them could foretell that there was a chance that people may be "after them", it's hardly some kind of bizarre prophecy that came from out of the blue from nowhere and therefore must back up some kind of wild conspiracy theory. It's an investigation that was already ongoing and he'd been detained for by the police previously...but you carry on believing the "arrest out of the blue" nonsense if you like fella. After all, he's 100% relying on people like you who will believe him without first doing the tiniest bit of homework on him P.S. i presume you're aware that he first went over to Romania to escape an assault charge he was being investigated for here in the UK and he himself said that "40% of the reason" that he went there is that it's easier to escape rape charges? He then qualified that by saying "I'm not actually a rapist but i like the idea of being able to do whatever i want, i like to be free", as if that somehow makes it sound better. When did I say I liked the bloke or defended any of the stuff he’s said and done? I’ve only referenced the single video I’ve seen of him and what his belief was. Your making some big leaps, calm yourself down. For what it’s worth I don’t give a single toss about him or anything going on about it. Apologies in that case. However, surely you can see that you posting that with no further context will look to other people like you're defending him though?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 13:45:59 GMT
Regardless of whether these charges "stick" or not, i'm sure that your wife/mother/daughter/grandaughters must be really proud of you for labelling someone who promotes violence towards women, the subjugation and belittlement of women and blames women for their own sexual assaults as "super smart". Genuine question, have you the balls to have told female relatives that you support Tate or do you only have the guts to do it anonymously on here?What a great male role model you must be for them whilst supporting such utterly contemptable idealogies. I have close female relatives who have been hyper-critical of aspects of the me too movement. I also have close female relatives who would be on board with you. They all know who I am. I don't agree with your analysis btw. (obviously...) I only became aware of him recently before this thread. The Piers Morgan interview (where they play chess) was the first major exposure. And I think it was a great interview. So you're openly admitting then that you're happy to call him "super smart" and defend him, despite the fact that you, by your own admission, don't really know much about him or what he's said about women (btw although he did tweet about the me too movement, very little of what he's said about women on the whole relates to the me too movement and are simply his own views regarding women in general) Words fail me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:07:40 GMT
I have close female relatives who have been hyper-critical of aspects of the me too movement. I also have close female relatives who would be on board with you. They all know who I am. I don't agree with your analysis btw. (obviously...) I only became aware of him recently before this thread. The Piers Morgan interview (where they play chess) was the first major exposure. And I think it was a great interview. So you're openly admitting then that you're happy to call him "super smart" and defend him, despite the fact that you don't really know much about him or what he's said about women (btw although he did tweet about the me too movement, very little of what he's said about women on the whole relates to the me too movement and are simply his own views regarding women in general) Words fail me I've listened to enough long form interviews/podcasts over the last week or so to have developed enough sense of his general worldviews; and to therefore hold an opinion as to whether I believe the heat he's getting is justified. It's a confusing standard you're holding me to by suggesting that this is not enough to defend a guy, when the majority of this thread is people writing him off with far less information. I understand that people find the soundbites so repulsive that this is enough for them to come to that conclusion. That's fair enough. But then surely me being exposed to far more information is enough for me to form my own opinions? I'm well aware of his conservative views. For the most part, his explanations seem reasonable to me even if I'm not in line with his general view. He also says some stupid shit for clickbait. As I said previously, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. (yet)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 31, 2022 14:12:25 GMT
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 14:19:23 GMT
So you're openly admitting then that you're happy to call him "super smart" and defend him, despite the fact that you don't really know much about him or what he's said about women (btw although he did tweet about the me too movement, very little of what he's said about women on the whole relates to the me too movement and are simply his own views regarding women in general) Words fail me I've listened to enough long form interviews/podcasts over the last week or so to have developed enough sense of his general worldviews; and to therefore hold an opinion as to whether I believe the heat he's getting is justified. It's a confusing standard you're holding me to by suggesting that this is not enough to defend a guy, when the majority of this thread is people writing him off with far less information. I understand that people find the soundbites so repulsive that this is enough for them to come to that conclusion. That's fair enough. But then surely me being exposed to far more information is enough for me to form my own opinions? I'm well aware of his conservative views. For the most part, his explanations seem reasonable to me even if I'm not in line with his general view. How do you know that those "writing him off" have been exposed to less info than you? Tate has been around on social media espousing his views about women for years. You may not have heard of him until fairly recently but i don't think that's the case for most on here, especially for those of us who have young female relatives. Lots of us have been very aware of him for quite a long time now. P.S. those "soundbites" that you say people are writing him off for...they're called tweets; HE writes them, HE chooses how they are phrased and HE publishes them to social media for all to see himself. If you're trying to imply that people are somehow misunderstanding what he REALLY means, then that's on him as he chooses how to phrase those tweets. Same goes for the views he used to espouse on HIS youtube channel. If people are "misunderstanding" his message to such an extent that he's being somehow unfairly demonised, then how "super smart" is he really?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:30:39 GMT
I've listened to enough long form interviews/podcasts over the last week or so to have developed enough sense of his general worldviews; and to therefore hold an opinion as to whether I believe the heat he's getting is justified. It's a confusing standard you're holding me to by suggesting that this is not enough to defend a guy, when the majority of this thread is people writing him off with far less information. I understand that people find the soundbites so repulsive that this is enough for them to come to that conclusion. That's fair enough. But then surely me being exposed to far more information is enough for me to form my own opinions? I'm well aware of his conservative views. For the most part, his explanations seem reasonable to me even if I'm not in line with his general view. How do you know that those "writing him off" have been exposed to less info than you? A decent chunk of posts ITT say it. I'm not looking to invalidate their opinion. Don't do the same to me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 14:32:03 GMT
I've listened to enough long form interviews/podcasts over the last week or so to have developed enough sense of his general worldviews; and to therefore hold an opinion as to whether I believe the heat he's getting is justified. It's a confusing standard you're holding me to by suggesting that this is not enough to defend a guy, when the majority of this thread is people writing him off with far less information. I understand that people find the soundbites so repulsive that this is enough for them to come to that conclusion. That's fair enough. But then surely me being exposed to far more information is enough for me to form my own opinions? I'm well aware of his conservative views. For the most part, his explanations seem reasonable to me even if I'm not in line with his general view. How do you know that those "writing him off" have been exposed to less info than you? Tate has been around on social media espousing his views about women for years. You may not have heard of him until fairly recently but i don't think that's the case for most on here, especially for those of us who have young female relatives. Lots of us have been very aware of him for quite a long time now. P.S. those "soundbites" that you say people are writing him off for...they're called tweets; HE writes them, HE chooses how they are phrased and HE publishes them to social media for all to see himself. If you're trying to imply that people are somehow misunderstanding what he REALLY means, then that's on him as he chooses how to phrase those tweets. Same goes for the views he used to espouse on HIS youtube channel. If people are "misunderstanding" his message to such an extent that he's being somehow unfairly demonised, then how "super smart" is he really? The words he writes are massive red flags. I can’t believe anyone is sticking up for it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2022 14:35:43 GMT
They have already been released apparently, don’t know how true or not. It's not true, strange that you posted it, you obviously didn't have much faith in your source in the first place. www.reuters.com/world/romania-detains-ex-kickboxer-andrew-tate-human-trafficking-case-2022-12-30/BUCHAREST, Dec 30 (Reuters) - A Romanian court agreed late on Friday to extend the detention of Andrew Tate by 30 days, after the divisive internet personality was arrested on suspicion of human trafficking, rape and forming an organised crime group.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 14:38:01 GMT
How do you know that those "writing him off" have been exposed to less info than you? A decent chunk of posts ITT say it. I'm not looking to invalidate their opinion. Don't do the same to me. Choosing to compeletely ignore the rest of the post i see. Still think that someone who apparently communicates so badly that he's allowed himself to be so misunderstood to the extent that he's demonised by millions across the globe is "super smart" do you? If so, then you must have an incredibly low bar set for what you deem to be intelligent.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 14:41:17 GMT
How do you know that those "writing him off" have been exposed to less info than you? A decent chunk of posts ITT say it. I'm not looking to invalidate their opinion. Don't do the same to me. I'm not trying to. I'm simply giving context (as you said you haven't seen that much of him...a few podcasts in a week after him releasing years worth of tripe is hardly a good overview) and asking questions which you seem to ignore completely and omit when you quote me, hoping no-one notices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:42:54 GMT
A decent chunk of posts ITT say it. I'm not looking to invalidate their opinion. Don't do the same to me. Choosing to compeletely ignore the rest of the post i see. Still think that someone who apparently communicates so badly that he's allowed himself to be so misunderstood to the extent that he's demonised by millions across the globe is "super smart" do you? If so, then you must have an incredibly low bar set for what you deem to be intelligent. I think he’s said a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money during the long form interviews I’ve seen. Alongside some views that have troubled me. I also think he’s a shitposter who says some wacky shit to generate outrage and get attention.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 14:48:05 GMT
Choosing to compeletely ignore the rest of the post i see. Still think that someone who apparently communicates so badly that he's allowed himself to be so misunderstood to the extent that he's demonised by millions across the globe is "super smart" do you? If so, then you must have an incredibly low bar set for what you deem to be intelligent. I think he’s said a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money during the long form interviews I’ve seen. Alongside some views that have troubled me. I also think he’s a shitposter who says some wacky shit to generate outrage and get attention. And here we are giving it to him. So, literally following the tactics of an actual toddler i.e. acting up to get attention, is now considered to be "super smart" to you, regardless of the means they employ to get that attention? And you think that simply getting attention on social media makes you super smart? That says way more about you than anything else i'm afraid. The bar is now set at the lowest point i've ever seen, if simply getting attention now makes someone intelligent.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2022 14:53:53 GMT
Choosing to compeletely ignore the rest of the post i see. Still think that someone who apparently communicates so badly that he's allowed himself to be so misunderstood to the extent that he's demonised by millions across the globe is "super smart" do you? If so, then you must have an incredibly low bar set for what you deem to be intelligent. I think he’s said a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money during the long form interviews I’ve seen. Alongside some views that have troubled me. I also think he’s a shitposter who says some wacky shit to generate outrage and get attention. I think he's a very dangerous individual with (sadly) a very large level of influence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 15:06:38 GMT
I think he’s said a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money during the long form interviews I’ve seen. Alongside some views that have troubled me. I also think he’s a shitposter who says some wacky shit to generate outrage and get attention. And here we are giving it to him. So, literally following the tactics of an actual toddler i.e. acting up to get attention, is now considered to be "super smart" to you, regardless of the means they employ to get that attention? And you think that simply getting attention on social media makes you super smart?That says way more about you than anything else i'm afraid. The bar is now set at the lowest point i've ever seen, if simply getting attention now makes someone intelligent. Considering you previously accused me above of choosing to ignore part of your post; your suggestion that I think AT is "smart" purely because he knows how to troll on twitter (as opposed to saying "a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money") is a bit sneaky. The previous accusation now reveals itself to be a classic case of projection.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 15:17:29 GMT
So, literally following the tactics of an actual toddler i.e. acting up to get attention, is now considered to be "super smart" to you, regardless of the means they employ to get that attention? And you think that simply getting attention on social media makes you super smart?That says way more about you than anything else i'm afraid. The bar is now set at the lowest point i've ever seen, if simply getting attention now makes someone intelligent. Considering you previously accused me above of choosing to ignore part of your post; your suggestion that I think AT is "smart" purely because he knows how to troll on twitter (as opposed to saying "a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money") is a bit sneaky. The previous accusation now reveals itself to be a classic case of projection. No it doesn't. Despite what you clearly think, "Projection" is a specific psychological term that actually means something, not just a social media buzzword you can trot out to try to deflect attention (especially when it's used incorrectly and out of context). I'll make it easy for you, what people are calling him out for are for things like: “You can’t be responsible for something that doesn’t listen to you. You can’t be responsible for a dog if it doesn’t obey you, or a child if it doesn’t obey you, or a woman that doesn’t obey you.” “I could open a strip club, but that takes money and I need overhead, I need money. How can I use these women to make me money,” “Females are the ultimate status symbol… People think I’m running around with these h*es because I like sex. That’s nothing to do with the reason why I’m running around with these b*tches. I got these b*tches just so everyone knows who the don is.” “I think the women belong to the man.” On the subject of what would happen if a woman accused him of cheating: “It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” “I believe as a man I should pay for the first date,I believe I should open the car door, protect her, provide. I believe she is my woman, she should come to me with her problems and I should fix them.By extension, if I have responsibility over her, then I must have a degree of authority." “One of the best things about being a man is being territorial and being able to say ‘that is mine.'” Can you let us know which of these you think are "super smart" or "bang on the money"? That way, certain sections of society will know to steer well fucking clear of you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 15:28:16 GMT
Considering you previously accused me above of choosing to ignore part of your post; your suggestion that I think AT is "smart" purely because he knows how to troll on twitter (as opposed to saying "a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money") is a bit sneaky. The previous accusation now reveals itself to be a classic case of projection. No it doesn't. Despite what you clearly think, "Projection" is a specific psychological term that actually means something, not just a social media buzzword you can trot out to try to deflect attention (especially when it's used incorrectly and out of context). I'll make it easy for you, what people are calling him out for are for things like: “You can’t be responsible for something that doesn’t listen to you. You can’t be responsible for a dog if it doesn’t obey you, or a child if it doesn’t obey you, or a woman that doesn’t obey you.” “I could open a strip club, but that takes money and I need overhead, I need money. How can I use these women to make me money,” “Females are the ultimate status symbol… People think I’m running around with these h*es because I like sex. That’s nothing to do with the reason why I’m running around with these b*tches. I got these b*tches just so everyone knows who the don is.” “I think the women belong to the man.” On the subject of what would happen if a woman accused him of cheating: “It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” “I believe as a man I should pay for the first date,I believe I should open the car door, protect her, provide. I believe she is my woman, she should come to me with her problems and I should fix them.By extension, if I have responsibility over her, then I must have a degree of authority." “One of the best things about being a man is being territorial and being able to say ‘that is mine.'” Can you let us know which of these you think are "super smart" or "bang on the money"? That way, certain sections of society will know to steer well fucking clear of you! It's all pretty abhorrent ye. Indefensible.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 15:50:19 GMT
No it doesn't. Despite what you clearly think, "Projection" is a specific psychological term that actually means something, not just a social media buzzword you can trot out to try to deflect attention (especially when it's used incorrectly and out of context). I'll make it easy for you, what people are calling him out for are for things like: “You can’t be responsible for something that doesn’t listen to you. You can’t be responsible for a dog if it doesn’t obey you, or a child if it doesn’t obey you, or a woman that doesn’t obey you.” “I could open a strip club, but that takes money and I need overhead, I need money. How can I use these women to make me money,” “Females are the ultimate status symbol… People think I’m running around with these h*es because I like sex. That’s nothing to do with the reason why I’m running around with these b*tches. I got these b*tches just so everyone knows who the don is.” “I think the women belong to the man.” On the subject of what would happen if a woman accused him of cheating: “It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” “I believe as a man I should pay for the first date,I believe I should open the car door, protect her, provide. I believe she is my woman, she should come to me with her problems and I should fix them.By extension, if I have responsibility over her, then I must have a degree of authority." “One of the best things about being a man is being territorial and being able to say ‘that is mine.'” Can you let us know which of these you think are "super smart" or "bang on the money"? That way, certain sections of society will know to steer well fucking clear of you! It's all pretty abhorrent ye. Indefensible. Cool. Just wanted to post those so you could see why he's being called out by so many people. Regardless of how intelligent he may be relating to other matters, holding any views like that clearly shows he certainly isn't "super smart" at all. He's either a troll doing it for social media hits to make money (which isn't super smart if you go so far that you then get banned from that social media) or he's an archaic dinosaur that genuinely believes that women should know their place and be the property of men which, again, is certainly not super smart in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 15:58:34 GMT
It's all pretty abhorrent ye. Indefensible. Cool. Just wanted to post those so you could see why he's being called out by so many people. Regardless of how intelligent he may be relating to other matters, holding any views like that clearly shows he certainly isn't "super smart" at all. He's either a troll doing it for social media hits to make money (which isn't super smart if you go so far that you then get banned from that social media) or he's an archaic dinosaur that genuinely believes that women should know their place and be the property of men which, again, is certainly not super smart in any way. Disappointing because I do genuinely believe some of the shit he says IS smart and IS necessary. But ye some of those above quotes are scary and dangerous.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2022 16:03:28 GMT
Cool. Just wanted to post those so you could see why he's being called out by so many people. Regardless of how intelligent he may be relating to other matters, holding any views like that clearly shows he certainly isn't "super smart" at all. He's either a troll doing it for social media hits to make money (which isn't super smart if you go so far that you then get banned from that social media) or he's an archaic dinosaur that genuinely believes that women should know their place and be the property of men which, again, is certainly not super smart in any way. Disappointing because I do genuinely believe some of the shit he says IS smart and IS necessary. But ye some of those above quotes are scary and dangerous. Were you not aware of those quotes from him previously?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 31, 2022 16:08:34 GMT
Cool. Just wanted to post those so you could see why he's being called out by so many people. Regardless of how intelligent he may be relating to other matters, holding any views like that clearly shows he certainly isn't "super smart" at all. He's either a troll doing it for social media hits to make money (which isn't super smart if you go so far that you then get banned from that social media) or he's an archaic dinosaur that genuinely believes that women should know their place and be the property of men which, again, is certainly not super smart in any way. Disappointing because I do genuinely believe some of the shit he says IS smart and IS necessary. But ye some of those above quotes are scary and dangerous. I agree, he does make some points on some subjects that most would agree with and aren't really that controversial. However, his intelligence on those matters get lost through his own making due to the disgusting views he holds towards women. It's these views that get the press attention, not his views on COVID or the climate situation and he knows that and yet is still happy to punch down on women in society and, as Paul mentioned, has a huge following who follow every word he says. That is extremely dangerous in a world where the incel movement is just looking for a foothold and "leader" to try to justify them.
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Post by gawa on Dec 31, 2022 16:09:25 GMT
I mean this “seriously smart dude” said this : “Women have been exchanging sex for opportunity for a very long time. Some did this. Weren’t abused. […] If you put yourself in a position to be raped, you must bare some responsibility.” He’s absolute vermin. Posting the full quote not because I think the soundbite is justifiable (I don't) but, as with most of the things I've heard him say since recently being made aware of him, I agree with a large % of it. I get that most people here find a large % of what he says reprehensible; but for me personally, do I throw the baby out with the bathwater when I think most of what he says is vital and needs to be heard? (obviously this is pending the ongoing investigation which I expect is a hitjob but could turn out to be valid - innocent until proven guilty except on the oatcake) Also where is this notion that because you find someone's views reprehensible, then that automatically means they're not smart? Can you not be "seriously smart"/"vermin" simultaneously? Fairly sure you can. Let's break it down into parts. 1. Nobody is saying asking someone's name is harrasment. But why do people have to be put up with being whistled at? Women ain't dogs mate ffs. My sister used to get whistled at by tradesmen in their 30s when she was wearing her school uniform. It's creepy and weird as fuck. Thats not normal male behaviour. That's called being a creep or a sexual predator. Just because Andrew says it's "normal" doesn't make it normal. And the vast majority of men on here think the same. So maybe you'll realise it's also not normal and just a belief of Andrew and his cronies. 2. The Harvey stuff is bizarre and seems as though he's speaking from his own experience. So because some women in the past have traded sexual favours for opportunity it now means we illegitimize every woman who is abused? Should we also be reconsidering Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter and Jimmy Saville crimes too? I'm sure they offered financial or other rewards in return for sexual favours. So it's just a trade like people have done for centuries? Wonder if he likes kids and that's why he's living in a country where he can legally have sex with children as young as 15. Anyway it's just classic victim blaming. 3. This seems to contradict point 2 made on Harvey which is odd. Point 2 he is talking about how women have historically traded sex for opportunity. But you're talking about a woman who has went back to a man's house after having some drinks. At which stage was a contract exchanged with the promise of sex? Or does Andrew just assume if he throws his money around that anyone who benefited from it is now their sexual slave? Also how does the above apply to people like Sarah Evarard? Or is he once again picking a scenario which suits his agenda and then trying to apply it to all scenarios of rape? As for him being smart, I think he's smarter than some on here give him credit for but then again most narccacists are. At the end of the day if you're able to manipulate a load of lonely vulnerable young men then you have to have some sort of wit and intellect about you. But then again it doesn't really seem to require much intellect to be a successful influencer these days. Just look at people like Molly-Mae.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 16:21:00 GMT
Disappointing because I do genuinely believe some of the shit he says IS smart and IS necessary. But ye some of those above quotes are scary and dangerous. Were you not aware of those quotes from him previously? No. I'm not surprised by a few. Eg; viewing a partner as property; obv don't agree but also think that, if a man and woman are in a consenting relationship where both view the role of men/women from archaic conservative viewpoint (eg; the trad wife movement) then it's their business basically. Not something I would write them off for. Talking about hitting people with machetes though and women being dogs, how can I use these women to make money etc. Pretty fucking messed up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2022 17:04:20 GMT
Were you not aware of those quotes from him previously? No. Blimey. So you obviously weren't as well informed as you previously believed then? But then surely me being exposed to far more information is enough for me to form my own opinions?
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Post by stokefc on Dec 31, 2022 18:31:41 GMT
Blimey. So you obviously weren't as well informed as you previously believed then? But then surely me being exposed to far more information is enough for me to form my own opinions? A small sample size , it's never enough and stokiepmre should know that He's in jail now lets hope he never gets out
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 19:39:18 GMT
Blimey. So you obviously weren't as well informed as you previously believed then? A small sample size , it's never enough and stokiepmre should know that He's in jail now lets hope he never gets out I'm not in jail and even if I was, bit of an overreaction to hope I never get out?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 1, 2023 9:16:10 GMT
Choosing to compeletely ignore the rest of the post i see. Still think that someone who apparently communicates so badly that he's allowed himself to be so misunderstood to the extent that he's demonised by millions across the globe is "super smart" do you? If so, then you must have an incredibly low bar set for what you deem to be intelligent. I think he’s said a lot of things that are incredibly bang on the money during the long form interviews I’ve seen. Alongside some views that have troubled me. I also think he’s a shitposter who says some wacky shit to generate outrage and get attention. Don’t excuse vermin like him. He is dangerous. His fans are actively targeting young men and boys to get them signed up to his toxicity and hatred of women. He is the type of person who society needs protection from, and he should be locked up without access to the internet. If he is guilty of people trafficking and rape, i would give the choice of chemical castrationand a significant prison sentence or life in prison. www.theguardian.com/media/2023/jan/01/fans-andrew-tate-king-of-toxic-masculinity-flood-web-arrestAlso the social media companies need proper regulation with massive fines for breaches. Personally I would be happy with making them responsible for the content of every post. Social media giants are one of the worst aspects of modern society and cause so much harm across the world, with little comparative upside.
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Post by marwood on Jan 1, 2023 11:55:39 GMT
Never heard of him until I clicked on this thread 15 minutes ago Thank goodness
Pizza box clue arrest is a hoax that went viral apparently
All the exchanges on Twitter to me just seem to drag people down to his level , I see very few people coming out of it with honour
An enlightening ten minutes read, but a complete whopper . I can now go back to being unaware of him and his click-baiting
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2023 17:22:34 GMT
Lovely bloke
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