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Post by salopstick on Sept 1, 2023 12:14:02 GMT
never had heard of him before this case. seems despicable
however are the bbc jepordising the case by publishing some of the evidence
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Post by slippyblunger on Sept 1, 2023 13:47:00 GMT
I blame the clowns that pay it. Yeah mate it seems nuts to me. Maybe if you're feeling despondent or desperate enough. I can't bring myself to be too critical though, life is tough for a lot of folk. Well this is it. We shouldn't judge I suppose, everyone is how they are for a reason I guess. I need to remind myself of that some times when I'm getting pissed off with people for being people 😂
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Post by gawa on Apr 16, 2024 12:27:17 GMT
Andrew on a mad one these days.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 16, 2024 13:02:16 GMT
Dangerous Weirdo
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 16, 2024 13:06:51 GMT
Andrew on a mad one these days. He’s just a piece of shit. The World would be better without him and others who spew crap like that.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 16, 2024 19:50:04 GMT
Andrew on a mad one these days. He’s just a piece of shit. The World would be better without him and others who spew crap like that. He’s a waste of skin.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 6:19:27 GMT
Of all the things Tate has said and done, it’s still his accent that offends me the most. What the fuck is that all about?
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Post by stoke1989 on Apr 17, 2024 22:57:05 GMT
He has the odd valid point, but this bloke is an absolute clown, staggering that he his held in high regards by some, especially by some younger youths, which is quite scary.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 18, 2024 0:31:41 GMT
I always think with Tate, his overall points often have some validity. It's all the crap around it that is the issue. But then again, it's the crap around it that earns him his money.
His point here (I believe) is that white people have lower fertility rates than others. I don't know if that's true or not but if there is evidence to suggest that, then it's a good argument to be had. All the stuff about "women doing their job" etc is just stuff to get clicks and let's be honest, in his eyes, it's done his job as we are now discussing it on the oatcake and it's wound a bunch of people up that he wanted to wind up!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 18, 2024 9:50:02 GMT
Of all the things Tate has said and done, it’s still his accent that offends me the most. What the fuck is that all about? He was born in America I believe but moved to Luton as a kid and grew up here. Obviously he's moved around alot which adds to the strange accent.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 18, 2024 10:00:02 GMT
I guess if I had to live with the shame of having a brother called Tristan then I'd want to lash out.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 18, 2024 10:34:23 GMT
I always think with Tate, his overall points often have some validity. It's all the crap around it that is the issue. But then again, it's the crap around it that earns him his money. His point here (I believe) is that white people have lower fertility rates than others. I don't know if that's true or not but if there is evidence to suggest that, then it's a good argument to be had. All the stuff about "women doing their job" etc is just stuff to get clicks and let's be honest, in his eyes, it's done his job as we are now discussing it on the oatcake and it's wound a bunch of people up that he wanted to wind up! Who, other than Big Govt, would pay for kids that people have but can’t afford to raise?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 18, 2024 12:28:01 GMT
I always think with Tate, his overall points often have some validity. It's all the crap around it that is the issue. But then again, it's the crap around it that earns him his money. His point here (I believe) is that white people have lower fertility rates than others. I don't know if that's true or not but if there is evidence to suggest that, then it's a good argument to be had. All the stuff about "women doing their job" etc is just stuff to get clicks and let's be honest, in his eyes, it's done his job as we are now discussing it on the oatcake and it's wound a bunch of people up that he wanted to wind up! Who, other than Big Govt, would pay for kids that people have but can’t afford to raise? It's a huge issue. People should not be having kids they can't afford. Also do people really need anymore than 3 kids ffs?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 18, 2024 15:24:21 GMT
Who, other than Big Govt, would pay for kids that people have but can’t afford to raise? It's a huge issue. People should not be having kids they can't afford. Also do people really need anymore than 3 kids ffs? To be honest given the current trajectory of the state of the world I would no longer bother having a kid...
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 18, 2024 16:02:25 GMT
Who, other than Big Govt, would pay for kids that people have but can’t afford to raise? It's a huge issue. People should not be having kids they can't afford. Also do people really need anymore than 3 kids ffs? I agree. So, Tate isn’t making a good point then because he’s saying that white men should be having 30 children if they want to be respected.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 18, 2024 18:46:44 GMT
It's a huge issue. People should not be having kids they can't afford. Also do people really need anymore than 3 kids ffs? I agree. So, Tate isn’t making a good point then because he’s saying that white men should be having 30 children if they want to be respected. No but there may be an argument to be had around white people having less kids than non white people. And I'm going to take a guess that probably is true but given I've never researched it, don't quote me on it! Pretty certain I've read Muslims have higher fertility rates than any other religion? I assume Tate is exaggerating the point ie have 30 kids if you're white to get his clicks.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 18, 2024 19:53:13 GMT
I agree. So, Tate isn’t making a good point then because he’s saying that white men should be having 30 children if they want to be respected. No but there may be an argument to be had around white people having less kids than non white people. And I'm going to take a guess that probably is true but given I've never researched it, don't quote me on it! Pretty certain I've read Muslims have higher fertility rates than any other religion? I assume Tate is exaggerating the point ie have 30 kids if you're white to get his clicks. But what difference does it make if white people don’t want more kids? I have one. I’ve never wanted more than one and don’t see it happening? Am I failing my race, as Tate is alluding to?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 18, 2024 20:28:51 GMT
No but there may be an argument to be had around white people having less kids than non white people. And I'm going to take a guess that probably is true but given I've never researched it, don't quote me on it! Pretty certain I've read Muslims have higher fertility rates than any other religion? I assume Tate is exaggerating the point ie have 30 kids if you're white to get his clicks. But what difference does it make if white people don’t want more kids? I have one. I’ve never wanted more than one and don’t see it happening? Am I failing my race, as Tate is alluding to? Well I don't have the answer to that. I definitely wouldn't say you are failing your race.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 18, 2024 20:51:43 GMT
No but there may be an argument to be had around white people having less kids than non white people. And I'm going to take a guess that probably is true but given I've never researched it, don't quote me on it! Pretty certain I've read Muslims have higher fertility rates than any other religion? I assume Tate is exaggerating the point ie have 30 kids if you're white to get his clicks. But what difference does it make if white people don’t want more kids? I have one. I’ve never wanted more than one and don’t see it happening? Am I failing my race, as Tate is alluding to? He (Tate) is simply goading folk along the lines of the Great Replacement Theory. The facts are that whilst fertility rates for whites are indeed falling -so they are for every other ethnicity as well. Global fertility stood at 5 in the 1960's - it's now 2.2. The lowest in the world is actually (non white) South Korea. Nevertheless he does have his supporters to be found (unsurprisingly) amongst the wingnuts of the Tory right. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/low-birthrate-is-uk-top-priority-tory-mp-tells-rightwing-conference-miriam-cates
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 18, 2024 23:00:18 GMT
But what difference does it make if white people don’t want more kids? I have one. I’ve never wanted more than one and don’t see it happening? Am I failing my race, as Tate is alluding to? He (Tate) is simply goading folk along the lines of the Great Replacement Theory. The facts are that whilst fertility rates for whites are indeed falling -so they are for every other ethnicity as well. Global fertility stood at 5 in the 1960's - it's now 2.2. The lowest in the world is actually (non white) South Korea. Nevertheless he does have his supporters to be found (unsurprisingly) amongst the wingnuts of the Tory right. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/low-birthrate-is-uk-top-priority-tory-mp-tells-rightwing-conference-miriam-catesWould it be fair to say though that white people as an overall figure are falling behind non whites in terms of fertility? Presumably while global fertility is falling with the lower white fertility rates, there are certain ethnicities that aren't falling? I'd hazard a guess that minority birth rates are significantly higher than white British birth rates in the UK.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 18, 2024 23:55:59 GMT
Would it be fair to say though that white people as an overall figure are falling behind non whites in terms of fertility? Presumably while global fertility is falling with the lower white fertility rates, there are certain ethnicities that aren't falling? I'd hazard a guess that minority birth rates dwarf white British birth rates in the UK. These things typically happen for about a generation though. The first generation of immigrants have more kids, then those kids grow up to have a similar number of kids as the population average. It’s more to do with societal pressures than it is to do with religion or ethnicity. For example, people in the UK and US are having kids much older now than before. A lot of that is because job markets are competitive and the cost of living is ever increasing. A lot of my friends (and my wife and I) have all held back until we have started to get some sort of career established. In the US, not many people have kids after 35 either because of the increased risk of Down’s Syndrome. That leaves a very short window to have a large family (which would costs $1000s in daycare alone).
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 19, 2024 0:38:07 GMT
Would it be fair to say though that white people as an overall figure are falling behind non whites in terms of fertility? Presumably while global fertility is falling with the lower white fertility rates, there are certain ethnicities that aren't falling? I'd hazard a guess that minority birth rates dwarf white British birth rates in the UK. These things typically happen for about a generation though. The first generation of immigrants have more kids, then those kids grow up to have a similar number of kids as the population average. It’s more to do with societal pressures than it is to do with religion or ethnicity. For example, people in the UK and US are having kids much older now than before. A lot of that is because job markets are competitive and the cost of living is ever increasing. A lot of my friends (and my wife and I) have all held back until we have started to get some sort of career established. In the US, not many people have kids after 35 either because of the increased risk of Down’s Syndrome. That leaves a very short window to have a large family (which would costs $1000s in daycare alone). Yeah makes sense. I do think certain religions and/or cultures endorse/encourage bigger families too more so than others and given most white Brits are not religious, that probably isn't going to apply to your average white Brit. But as you say that can be put down to societal pressures within a certain culture. I just did a bit of (potentially crap) research and it suggests that white and black Caribbean/African fertility rates in the UK are dwarfed by Indian, Pakistani and Bengali rates. Again reinforcing the notion around cultural pressures on bigger families etc. Less people feels like a good thing. A world with more animals and nature and less people can only be more pleasant.😊
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 19, 2024 7:38:31 GMT
Would it be fair to say though that white people as an overall figure are falling behind non whites in terms of fertility? Presumably while global fertility is falling with the lower white fertility rates, there are certain ethnicities that aren't falling? I'd hazard a guess that minority birth rates are significantly higher than white British birth rates in the UK. From the information I saw all ethnicities are falling - some at faster rates than white fertility - but white fertility is indeed currently lower than some others as an absolute. I'm not claiming to be any expert - but it would be fair to say that the picture is complex. Therefore without understanding that complete picture it's difficult to say that Tate has any sort of valid 'point'.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 19, 2024 8:08:37 GMT
Would it be fair to say though that white people as an overall figure are falling behind non whites in terms of fertility? Presumably while global fertility is falling with the lower white fertility rates, there are certain ethnicities that aren't falling? I'd hazard a guess that minority birth rates are significantly higher than white British birth rates in the UK. From the information I saw all ethnicities are falling - some at faster rates than white fertility - but white fertility is indeed currently lower than some others as an absolute. I'm not claiming to be any expert - but it would be fair to say that the picture is complex. Therefore without understanding that complete picture it's difficult to say that Tate has any sort of valid 'point'. A few less people on the planet is probably a good thing. His more sinister point is "make sure they are your race and not someone else's.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 19, 2024 8:14:21 GMT
I guess if I had to live with the shame of having a brother called Tristan then I'd want to lash out. At least Rees-Mogg's sprogs Peter Theodore, Alphege, Mary Anne Charlotte Emma,Thomas Wentworth Somerset Denton, Anslem Charles Fitzwilliam, Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius, Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher can wallow in collective grief "Won't somebody please think of the Children" - Helen
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 19, 2024 8:53:27 GMT
From the information I saw all ethnicities are falling - some at faster rates than white fertility - but white fertility is indeed currently lower than some others as an absolute. I'm not claiming to be any expert - but it would be fair to say that the picture is complex. Therefore without understanding that complete picture it's difficult to say that Tate has any sort of valid 'point'. A few less people on the planet is probably a good thing. His more sinister point is "make sure they are your race and not someone else's. As I said in an earlier post - he's basically goading folk with Great Replacement Theory.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 19, 2024 9:31:14 GMT
A few less people on the planet is probably a good thing. His more sinister point is "make sure they are your race and not someone else's. As I said in an earlier post - he's basically goading folk with Great Replacement Theory. Not certain but I think Tate is actually mixed race 🤔
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 19, 2024 13:09:55 GMT
As I said in an earlier post - he's basically goading folk with Great Replacement Theory. Not certain but I think Tate is actually mixed race 🤔 He is. Father is/was African American. Doesn't stop him goading folk though.
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