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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2022 12:36:16 GMT
Never heard of him till a couple of months ago but he’s clearly a complete tool. I’d never heard of him until, about, three minutes ago. And, doubtless, I’ll have forgotten about him by lunchtime today 🤔 He's the most Googled person on the planet in 2022, more than Putin, Trump, Musk, Kardashian etc.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 30, 2022 12:38:08 GMT
Imagine arguing with a teenager and losing. Then taking a video of yourself and constantly trying to pop open your walmart robe. Then going to jail after.
That said, I do feel that if you left these morons alone, they’d fade away. They run on a platform of hate, they know that maybe 65% of their viewership are people who don’t like them. That 65% still makes them heavily viewed and thus, marketable.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2022 12:41:25 GMT
That was exactly Tate's intention Gawa but it has backfired on him absolutely spectacularly! As for Hartley-Brewer, not only has she made a complete fool of herself by attempting to piggy back on Tate's intentions, she's now in very hot water for using a person's autism as a reason to attack them. I actually think the guy with the autistic kid referring to it as a "gift" and saying his kid can achieve "whatever the fuck he wants in life" is problematic. Because the reality is that, for every hyper-successful person with high-functioning autism, there's 1000s of autistic people suffering serious difficulties in their lives. And many are struggling to get by (especially with this cunty government that does everything it can to make it difficult for those in need to receive the state assistance they deserve) so, whilst I can empathise with the guy for not wanting his kid to be victimised and limited by his condition, the chances are his kid is going to have a rough time of it as some point. And then how is he going to feel when people are referring to his disability as a "gift" and telling him "you can do anything!"? I reckon he'll end up feeling pretty fucking worthless. I'm not excusing JHB for using it as a slur obviously, that's another matter, but I think people who blind themselves to reality are offensive and harmful in their own way; even if they are well intentioned. I don't think his message is really for his kids' ears but rather, for that of Brewer's. He's just pushing back (and pushing hard) against her vile slurs. Brewer's thread is full of autistic people/parents of autistic children, doing the same thing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2022 13:02:43 GMT
The way climate change is going it could end in the near future. I’m not sure why that’s so difficult to understand? Climate change is a massive threat and is already making the world a harder place to live in. Deny it all you want but there’s only one delusion there and it’s not listening to what the scientists are telling us. That just reads as tin foil hat bollocks to me. "The way the climate change is going it could end in the near future" I'm not a "climate change denier" or whatever the term is. I'm also a massive advocate of the reversal of habitat loss and view the wild as the greatest resource we have. I'm a big fan of David Attenborough and highly recommend his "A Life on Our Planet" book; which highlights the habitat destruction / loss of biodiversity that has occurred during his lifetime, as well as presenting practical solutions for how we can prevent/reverse much of it. It's very much within our capabilities. However, your above quote is utter nonsense and lacking any nuance whatsoever. It's an extreme ideological position. And it's a position that GT is promoting, and being supported in doing so by a shady group of elites who couldn't give less of a shit about wider humanity but are using this alarmist ideology as a means to implement extreme measures that would facilitate the greatest transfer of wealth/power in human history. Greta Thunberg is nothing but an oblivious pawn in this maniacal game. She deserves neither encouragement nor vitriol; only sympathy. We aren’t doing much to reverse it though and are already in a mass extinction event. How is it an extreme ideological position? Climate science suggests we are close to reaching that point. If they were so elite they’d be making a difference wouldn’t they? That is pure unadulterated conspiracy shit. That last paragraph is just insane tbh 😂😂
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 30, 2022 13:05:34 GMT
She’s a “shock jock” off Talkradio. She’s a bit like JOB but her views are the polar opposite. You could liken her a little bit to Katy Hopkins. Too right wing for me. Ah right, cheers I haven't much of a clue who JOB is either if I'm honest but I vaguely remember seeing a clip or two on here. Is Talkradio run by the same people as Talksport? I used to listen to Talksport most of the day in the late 90s/early noughties then I (sadly) got a job in an office. I believe so. They’re definately on the more central/right side of politics. They raise some good debates but a little too right for me on the whole. It’s like a lot of political discussions in politics what ever side you sit on it’s not as simple as black and white. There’s a lot of grey too.
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Post by Davef on Dec 30, 2022 13:19:47 GMT
There's only one Andy Tate.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 30, 2022 13:21:18 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2022 13:21:20 GMT
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Post by noustie on Dec 30, 2022 13:30:35 GMT
The belief we are anyway capable of saving the planet is testament to mankind's sheer arrogance rather that its ability:
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Post by noustie on Dec 30, 2022 13:33:00 GMT
In fairness that's quality housery!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2022 13:33:04 GMT
Absolute quality! 🤣
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Post by yeokel on Dec 30, 2022 13:44:38 GMT
I’d never heard of him until, about, three minutes ago. And, doubtless, I’ll have forgotten about him by lunchtime today 🤔 He's the most Googled person on the planet in 2022, more than Putin, Trump, Musk, Kardashian etc. He’s obviously important then?
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Post by chuffedstokie on Dec 30, 2022 13:57:18 GMT
He's the most Googled person on the planet in 2022, more than Putin, Trump, Musk, Kardashian etc. He’s obviously important then? From reality show nobody to Romanian prison, his life plans are coming together nicely. Still no idea who he is.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2022 13:59:57 GMT
He's the most Googled person on the planet in 2022, more than Putin, Trump, Musk, Kardashian etc. He’s obviously important then? Absolutely. His influence is huge (sadly).
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Post by wannabee on Dec 30, 2022 14:07:30 GMT
Middle aged blokes seem obsessed by her and quite intimidated that a young woman can be intelligent and really quite powerful. It’s very strange. And quite insulting to her tbh. Like she couldn’t hold these thoughts herself. Misogynistic shite. I've not followed her in recent years. Maybe her views have matured. But when she first burst onto the scene, I felt very sorry for her because she was a politically indoctrinated child with a mental-disorder who was essentially being abused by her parents; parents who were allowing an autistic kid (with extreme black/white thinking) to literally believe that the world was going to end in the near future. That doesn't excuse the vitriol thrown her way from the right, but in a sense I'm not sure how people who know she's catastrophising are meant to react. The fact GT was chosen as the poster child was deliberate; she's a young girl/woman with a disability, so it was meant to be a shield so that, when people do come at her for her deluded outlook, people like you bayern can seek to shut down the debate by throwing isms their way. A cunty trick that is favoured by movements of a certain broad political flavour. I think your views are rather condescending to Greta and her 15M+ mostly young official followers. You are also somewhat ill informed of her Familial Relationship, it was her Parents who changed their lifestyle including Professionally when they discovered it was adversely affecting their Daughters well-being, as most parents would do. If when you say that her views may have matured you mean that her views, supported by Science, (there's always a few crackpots) have become accepted as fact by most World Leaders and the Population generally To not do so would be a COP Out. Aspergers Syndrome on the Autism Spectrum is far from being a "Mental-disorder" but it does effect one's way of thinking (Homosexuality was seen in this light not so long ago) and many go through to Adulthood being misdiagnosed. In any case it hasn't hindered her picking up a multitude of awards at a very young age including being twice nominated for a Nobel Prize, Time Person of the Year 2019, Amnesty International highest award "The Ambassador of Conscience Award " etc etc A byproduct of her Aspergers is Selective Mutism in which she speaks only when she feels it is necessary, a condition many including Politicians might do well to follow. Again this has not hindered her successfully using Social Media to "Clapback" at those foolish enough to have attempted to belittle her including currently Tate and previously Putin, Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro, but only succeeded in making themselves look even more stupid.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 30, 2022 14:16:33 GMT
Ah right, cheers I haven't much of a clue who JOB is either if I'm honest but I vaguely remember seeing a clip or two on here. Is Talkradio run by the same people as Talksport? I used to listen to Talksport most of the day in the late 90s/early noughties then I (sadly) got a job in an office. I believe so. They’re definately on the more central/right side of politics. They raise some good debates but a little too right for me on the whole. It’s like a lot of political discussions in politics what ever side you sit on it’s not as simple as black and white. There’s a lot of grey too. They used to take deliberately controversial stances as far as I remember, good business model, iirc they made money off the callers and the advertisers, angry people are their cash machines Indeed it isn't, media outlets try and convince us otherwise tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 14:22:14 GMT
"The way the climate change is going it could end in the near future" I'm not a "climate change denier" or whatever the term is. I'm also a massive advocate of the reversal of habitat loss and view the wild as the greatest resource we have. I'm a big fan of David Attenborough and highly recommend his "A Life on Our Planet" book; which highlights the habitat destruction / loss of biodiversity that has occurred during his lifetime, as well as presenting practical solutions for how we can prevent/reverse much of it. It's very much within our capabilities. However, your above quote is utter nonsense and lacking any nuance whatsoever. It's an extreme ideological position. And it's a position that GT is promoting, and being supported in doing so by a shady group of elites who couldn't give less of a shit about wider humanity but are using this alarmist ideology as a means to implement extreme measures that would facilitate the greatest transfer of wealth/power in human history. Greta Thunberg is nothing but an oblivious pawn in this maniacal game. She deserves neither encouragement nor vitriol; only sympathy. We aren’t doing much to reverse it though and are already in a mass extinction event. How is it an extreme ideological position? Climate science suggests we are close to reaching that point. If they were so elite they’d be making a difference wouldn’t they? That is pure unadulterated conspiracy shit. That last paragraph is just insane tbh 😂😂 “How is it an extreme ideological position” You’re literally agreeing with the notion that humans are facing extinction in the living future as a result of human induced climate change. (GT’s belief essentially) It’s a doomsday cult being used to engender fear and panic amongst the masses with the intention of exploiting that fear and panic for nefarious purposes. A means of implementing policies that benefit the few. Not too dissimilar to a recent global event actually. There’s a great irony to me that the people acknowledging our collective responsibility to prevent/reverse habitat and biodiversity loss, whilst simultaneously warning against the cultists screaming “the house in on fire”, are the ones who get called “insane”.
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Post by noustie on Dec 30, 2022 14:23:57 GMT
I've not followed her in recent years. Maybe her views have matured. But when she first burst onto the scene, I felt very sorry for her because she was a politically indoctrinated child with a mental-disorder who was essentially being abused by her parents; parents who were allowing an autistic kid (with extreme black/white thinking) to literally believe that the world was going to end in the near future. That doesn't excuse the vitriol thrown her way from the right, but in a sense I'm not sure how people who know she's catastrophising are meant to react. The fact GT was chosen as the poster child was deliberate; she's a young girl/woman with a disability, so it was meant to be a shield so that, when people do come at her for her deluded outlook, people like you bayern can seek to shut down the debate by throwing isms their way. A cunty trick that is favoured by movements of a certain broad political flavour. I think your views are rather condescending to Greta and her 15M+ mostly young official followers. You are also somewhat ill informed of her Familial Relationship, it was her Parents who changed their lifestyle including Professionally when they discovered it was adversely affecting their Daughters well-being, as most parents would do. If when you say that her views may have matured you mean that her views, supported by Science, (there's always a few crackpots) have become accepted as fact by most World Leaders and the Population generally To not do so would be a COP Out. Aspergers Syndrome on the Autism Spectrum is far from being a "Mental-disorder" but it does effect one's way of thinking (Homosexuality was seen in this light not so long ago) and many go through to Adulthood being misdiagnosed. In any case it hasn't hindered her picking up a multitude of awards at a very young age including being twice nominated for a Nobel Prize, Time Person of the Year 2019, Amnesty International highest award "The Ambassador of Conscience Award " etc etc A byproduct of her Aspergers is Selective Mutism in which she speaks only when she feels it is necessary, a condition many including Politicians might do well to follow. Again this has not hindered her successfully using Social Media to "Clapback" at those foolish enough to have attempted to belittle her including currently Tate and previously Putin, Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro, but only succeeded in making themselves look even more stupid. I know it's the Express but don't think she writes all her own stuff. Even agreeing mostly with the cause weaponising kids isn't right for me. There's no possible way a 16-18 year old can have more knowledge than adults in the field and she's being exploited for her media influence. www.express.co.uk/news/world/1227896/greta-thunberg-climate-change-activist-Facebook-page-social-media-posts-edited
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 30, 2022 14:24:08 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 30, 2022 14:31:45 GMT
I like Greta Thunberg. Autism comes in many forms and Greta's affects her in a way that she doesn't adhere to social norms in what she says and does when she's passionate about something. She's the opposite of a politician who says things he thinks will win him votes or not make him/her look bad in any way. She's an intelligent young person and can hold her own when discussing climate change. And her parents have never controlled her. They've done the opposite by allowing her to follow her own perceived course in life and also supported her while she was doing it. (If only more parents would do that rather than ramming their own ideas into their children about what they think is the right way for them to go. Many of our greatest artists and musicians etc have had to rebel against parental control to follow their dreams.) Because she doesn't follow the norms. she can say the things she thinks are truths without bothering about the consequences of what she's saying. Those who rail against her or try to belittle her are those who are likely to suffer financially from her truths or those who will, one day, realise (too late) that she's crusading for a very worthwhile cause... perhaps the greatest cause humanity has faced since we crawled out of the water. Like many others, I had never heard of the prick in the video before, but Greta has done us all a great favour by taking him down. And the icing on the cake is her comment, “This is what happens when you don’t recycle your pizza boxes". That's pure genius from someone who is described by some as having a mental illness. I'll end with a funny anecdote. I have a very highly intelligent friend who 'suffers from mental illness'. Occasionally he'll sign himself into Harplands for a bit of peace and quiet. While he's there he walks around with a cardboard box over his head. When I asked him why he did that, his answer was that he's autistic and it stops him thinking outside the box. After a couple of weeks he'll come out and is perfectly 'normal' for a while. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 15:02:24 GMT
Aspergers Syndrome on the Autism Spectrum is far from being a "Mental-disorder" but it does effect one's way of thinking (Homosexuality was seen in this light not so long ago) and many go through to Adulthood being misdiagnosed. Autism IS a developmental-disorder. It's literally called ASD - autism spectrum disorder... so it's perfectly appropriate (potentially slightly behind current trends) for me to refer to it as a mental-disorder. And the point I was originally making was that I believe it to be morally ambiguous (at best) that a child with ASD was thrust into the limelight. Definitely not using "mental-disorder" as some sort of slur like your eagerness to fall over yourself to correct me seemed to insinuate. If homosexuality was previously categorised as a disorder then that's unfortunate.
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Post by yeswilko on Dec 30, 2022 15:18:14 GMT
Must be a post somewhere of Rossi describing Tate as his absolute hero...
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Post by wannabee on Dec 30, 2022 15:21:53 GMT
I think your views are rather condescending to Greta and her 15M+ mostly young official followers. You are also somewhat ill informed of her Familial Relationship, it was her Parents who changed their lifestyle including Professionally when they discovered it was adversely affecting their Daughters well-being, as most parents would do. If when you say that her views may have matured you mean that her views, supported by Science, (there's always a few crackpots) have become accepted as fact by most World Leaders and the Population generally To not do so would be a COP Out. Aspergers Syndrome on the Autism Spectrum is far from being a "Mental-disorder" but it does effect one's way of thinking (Homosexuality was seen in this light not so long ago) and many go through to Adulthood being misdiagnosed. In any case it hasn't hindered her picking up a multitude of awards at a very young age including being twice nominated for a Nobel Prize, Time Person of the Year 2019, Amnesty International highest award "The Ambassador of Conscience Award " etc etc A byproduct of her Aspergers is Selective Mutism in which she speaks only when she feels it is necessary, a condition many including Politicians might do well to follow. Again this has not hindered her successfully using Social Media to "Clapback" at those foolish enough to have attempted to belittle her including currently Tate and previously Putin, Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro, but only succeeded in making themselves look even more stupid. I know it's the Express but don't think she writes all her own stuff. Even agreeing mostly with the cause weaponising kids isn't right for me. There's no possible way a 16-18 year old can have more knowledge than adults in the field and she's being exploited for her media influence. www.express.co.uk/news/world/1227896/greta-thunberg-climate-change-activist-Facebook-page-social-media-posts-editedAs you say it's The Express but to be fair they do go on to give her full explanation which obviously doesn't match the headline but then again what Express readers get past the headline There are many examples of Child Prodogies who have excelled in all sorts of fields, I very much doubt Greta would consider herself one. She has never to my knowledge expounded Scientific Theories of her own moreover she publicises Scientific Theories of others more eminently qualified Her talent is her Leadership Qualities which encourages others to take on the mantle and spread the message It is why she founded Fridays for Future Movement at age 15 which is now present in 185 Countries throughout the World I know it's not the context you meant when you said you didn't agree with "Weaponising 16-18 year olds" but that is precisely what most Countries around the World do when they recruit for their Armies many to fight an "Idealogical " battle against opposing viewpoints (Is Climate Activism an Idealogical Battle?) and many at a much younger age. Personally I find having an interest and understanding of the future of the Planet a far more refreshing and worthwhile pursuit
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Post by wannabee on Dec 30, 2022 15:40:24 GMT
Aspergers Syndrome on the Autism Spectrum is far from being a "Mental-disorder" but it does effect one's way of thinking (Homosexuality was seen in this light not so long ago) and many go through to Adulthood being misdiagnosed. Autism IS a developmental-disorder. It's literally called ASD - autism spectrum disorder... so it's perfectly appropriate (potentially slightly behind current trends) for me to refer to it as a mental-disorder. And the point I was originally making was that I believe it to be morally ambiguous (at best) that a child with ASD was thrust into the limelight. Definitely not using "mental-disorder" as some sort of slur like your eagerness to fall over yourself to correct me seemed to insinuate. If homosexuality was previously categorised as a disorder then that's unfortunate. Autism is NOT a "Mental-disorder " Autism is the normal functioning of a differently structured brain. You have correctly defined it, but you have incorrectly interpreted its meaning.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2022 15:41:44 GMT
We aren’t doing much to reverse it though and are already in a mass extinction event. How is it an extreme ideological position? Climate science suggests we are close to reaching that point. If they were so elite they’d be making a difference wouldn’t they? That is pure unadulterated conspiracy shit. That last paragraph is just insane tbh 😂😂 “How is it an extreme ideological position” You’re literally agreeing with the notion that humans are facing extinction in the living future as a result of human induced climate change. (GT’s belief essentially) It’s a doomsday cult being used to engender fear and panic amongst the masses with the intention of exploiting that fear and panic for nefarious purposes. A means of implementing policies that benefit the few. Not too dissimilar to a recent global event actually. There’s a great irony to me that the people acknowledging our collective responsibility to prevent/reverse habitat and biodiversity loss, whilst simultaneously warning against the cultists screaming “the house in on fire”, are the ones who get called “insane”. Because we are and there is mass extinction event going on as we speak. Attenborough should have taught you that. They’re people that want humans to live for longer on this planet, the bastards.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2022 15:44:09 GMT
I think your views are rather condescending to Greta and her 15M+ mostly young official followers. You are also somewhat ill informed of her Familial Relationship, it was her Parents who changed their lifestyle including Professionally when they discovered it was adversely affecting their Daughters well-being, as most parents would do. If when you say that her views may have matured you mean that her views, supported by Science, (there's always a few crackpots) have become accepted as fact by most World Leaders and the Population generally To not do so would be a COP Out. Aspergers Syndrome on the Autism Spectrum is far from being a "Mental-disorder" but it does effect one's way of thinking (Homosexuality was seen in this light not so long ago) and many go through to Adulthood being misdiagnosed. In any case it hasn't hindered her picking up a multitude of awards at a very young age including being twice nominated for a Nobel Prize, Time Person of the Year 2019, Amnesty International highest award "The Ambassador of Conscience Award " etc etc A byproduct of her Aspergers is Selective Mutism in which she speaks only when she feels it is necessary, a condition many including Politicians might do well to follow. Again this has not hindered her successfully using Social Media to "Clapback" at those foolish enough to have attempted to belittle her including currently Tate and previously Putin, Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro, but only succeeded in making themselves look even more stupid. I know it's the Express but don't think she writes all her own stuff. Even agreeing mostly with the cause weaponising kids isn't right for me. There's no possible way a 16-18 year old can have more knowledge than adults in the field and she's being exploited for her media influence. www.express.co.uk/news/world/1227896/greta-thunberg-climate-change-activist-Facebook-page-social-media-posts-editedThis is one for Knypes thread. You don’t like being outsmarted by a young person it seems?
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Post by gawa on Dec 30, 2022 15:52:39 GMT
It’s a doomsday cult being used to engender fear and panic amongst the masses with the intention of exploiting that fear and panic for nefarious purposes. A means of implementing policies that benefit the few. Not too dissimilar to a recent global event actually. Who's panicking or fearful though? Aside from a few green extremist campaigners, I don't think I've ever came across anyone who is panicking or fearing climate change. Most people simply acknowledge what is happening, support changes to try and slow it down and do their bit at home to have less of an impact. Most of the people filled with fear tend to be those who engross themselves with conspiracy theories. Like covid which you mentioned is another fine example. Most people are trying to get on with their lives and see it as a thing of the past. But there are a few members on here still obsessed and fixated on covid and like to bring it up at any opportunity. In my opinion those who panic and fear about these topics the most tend to be the very people who go out of their way to talk about it at any opportunity and not let it go. This thread itself is a fine example. About a woman beater, human trafficking rapist being arrested. But some are more interested in making it about climate change.
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Post by noustie on Dec 30, 2022 16:11:26 GMT
This is one for Knypes thread. You don’t like being outsmarted by a young person it seems? Yeah mate intelligence in others terrifies me but at least that means we can carry on discussing this if you want?
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Post by noustie on Dec 30, 2022 16:25:20 GMT
As you say it's The Express but to be fair they do go on to give her full explanation which obviously doesn't match the headline but then again what Express readers get past the headline There are many examples of Child Prodogies who have excelled in all sorts of fields, I very much doubt Greta would consider herself one. She has never to my knowledge expounded Scientific Theories of her own moreover she publicises Scientific Theories of others more eminently qualified Her talent is her Leadership Qualities which encourages others to take on the mantle and spread the message It is why she founded Fridays for Future Movement at age 15 which is now present in 185 Countries throughout the World I know it's not the context you meant when you said you didn't agree with "Weaponising 16-18 year olds" but that is precisely what most Countries around the World do when they recruit for their Armies many to fight an "Idealogical " battle against opposing viewpoints (Is Climate Activism an Idealogical Battle?) and many at a much younger age. Personally I find having an interest and understanding of the future of the Planet a far more refreshing and worthwhile pursuit I don't buy the explanation to be honest - a teenager going on her dad's Facebook? If Marcus Rashford has a social media team I'd be amazed if GT hasn't. You can see her parents were performers and that background is obviously part of her success but a 15 year old will simply regurgitate what they're told, they dont have the facets of critical analysis, so she's merely a means of communication. I'll listen to David Attenborough all day in comparison because he has intelligence, wisdom and experience. My concern is that intelligence is being conflated with wisdom. I'm finding it increasingly concerning that society is increasingly looking for youngsters to do the heavy lifting where in any correctly functioning society seeks guidance from the elders. The naivity of youth can be exploited and can be seen throughout social media. Saving the planet is an arrogant bullshit concept because the planet is absolutely fine. What does your body do when a virus takes hold? It heats up and fucks it off. It's the human race that needs saving not the planet.
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Post by superjw on Dec 30, 2022 16:30:21 GMT
They have already been released apparently, don’t know how true or not.
Something similar happened earlier on in the year with an anonymous tip off landing him and his brother arrested for an hour for the exact same thing. There is actually a video of him made recently where he talks about him expecting to be arrested for something. Man’s got enemies
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