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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2023 18:24:04 GMT
Absolutely unbelievable!
So referring to someone who IS autistic as autistic, during a bunch of insults doesn't make it an insult?
Okay then Julia, let's substitute the word autistic for, erm, let's say black, or Jewish or blind or whatever and see how far you get with it ...
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Post by Davef on Jan 3, 2023 19:45:40 GMT
Absolutely unbelievable! So referring to someone who IS autistic during a bunch of insults doesn't make it an insult? Okay then Julia, let's substitute the word autistic for, erm, let's say black, or Jewish or blind or whatever and see how far you get with it ...
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 3, 2023 19:58:00 GMT
Never heard of him until I clicked on this thread 15 minutes ago Thank goodness Pizza box clue arrest is a hoax that went viral apparently All the exchanges on Twitter to me just seem to drag people down to his level , I see very few people coming out of it with honour An enlightening ten minutes read, but a complete whopper . I can now go back to being unaware of him and his click-baiting Good post. Fact checker Snopes says pizza box thing was false speculation. What a pity, it was fucking funny.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 3, 2023 21:58:52 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 3, 2023 22:26:32 GMT
Hard to disagree with this is it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 3, 2023 22:39:44 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true. It is sad isn’t it. The choice of role models is appalling now. Maybe it’s me but everything seems to be about image, how someone looks and how to get rich quick with the minimum amount of work to do it. This “My fans” being a classic example. It’s a weird and very destructive world we live in where there’s constant online fighting and bateing. I guess when everyone has a voice it’s bound to happen.
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Post by gawa on Jan 3, 2023 22:58:46 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true. What do you mean? That's only two people and one is barely known in the UK and the other is arrested for human trafficking and rape, and mostly known for getting kicked of big brother for being a knob. I agree though that it's innocent until proven guilty. But you don't get kept in for 30 days unless they have some sort of decent evidence. I'm sure Andrew Tate has a very good layer so there is a reason why he's been kept in.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 3, 2023 22:59:38 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true. It is sad isn’t it. The choice of role models is appalling now. Maybe it’s me but everything seems to be about image, how someone looks and how to get rich quick with the minimum amount of work to do it. This “My fans” being a classic example. It’s a weird and very destructive world we live in where there’s constant online fighting and bateing. I guess when everyone has a voice it’s bound to happen. The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 3, 2023 23:10:05 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true. What do you mean? That's only two people and one is barely known in the UK and the other is arrested for human trafficking and rape, and mostly known for getting kicked of big brother for being a knob. I agree though that it's innocent until proven guilty. But you don't get kept in for 30 days unless they have some sort of decent evidence. I'm sure Andrew Tate has a very good layer so there is a reason why he's been kept in. I mean he's one of the most watched figures in the history of the Internet and has been cancelled/banned by just about every mainstream outlet going - So its pretty impressive and he's clearly got a monumental audience. But that's beside the point. It's more around the fact that young men don't have strong role models anymore. They are being neglected, rejected, ignored and pushed away. History tells us that whenever that happens to a social grouping, there is normally a hostile response. It is absolutely no surprise that the likes of Tate and JP are so popular... They give the voiceless a voice in a world dominated by Western institutions that want to discourage prosperity, strength and traditional values.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2023 23:26:53 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true. Is it because increasingly, people find it easier and simpler to reach out into their online universe? And as such, they can then become more easily exploited and/or influenced/radicalised?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 3, 2023 23:34:02 GMT
This tweet from Konstantin is absolutely incredible. So fucking true. Is it because increasingly, people find it easier and simpler to reach out into their online universe? And as such, they can then become more easily exploited and/or influenced/radicalised? Indeed. Just look at our politicians Paul, could we really expect young men to look up to that? Teachers, celebrities, business leaders - there is so much bad leadership right now. Is it any surprise that we are in such divisive times? Push young men away and they get disillusioned, angry and look for role models who aren't good role models.
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Post by gawa on Jan 3, 2023 23:42:46 GMT
What do you mean? That's only two people and one is barely known in the UK and the other is arrested for human trafficking and rape, and mostly known for getting kicked of big brother for being a knob. I agree though that it's innocent until proven guilty. But you don't get kept in for 30 days unless they have some sort of decent evidence. I'm sure Andrew Tate has a very good layer so there is a reason why he's been kept in. I mean he's one of the most watched figures in the history of the Internet and has been cancelled/banned by just about every mainstream outlet going - So its pretty impressive and he's clearly got a monumental audience. But that's beside the point. It's more around the fact that young men don't have strong role models anymore. They are being neglected, rejected, ignored and pushed away. History tells us that whenever that happens to a social grouping, there is normally a hostile response. It is absolutely no surprise that the likes of Tate and JP are so popular... They give the voiceless a voice in a world dominated by Western institutions that want to discourage prosperity, strength and traditional values. But he's not exactly a good role model, is he? He has a history of being a misogynist bully. I think social media algorithms actually play a big part in this. If you watch one you'll get suggested the other and all your ads and suggestions will be focused on a particular stereotype. As a result you get content which heavily swings one way or another rather than a balanced view. If he gets convicted will your opinion change? Or will that be another conspiracy to shut down the global threat that is Andrew Tate.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 3, 2023 23:48:32 GMT
I mean he's one of the most watched figures in the history of the Internet and has been cancelled/banned by just about every mainstream outlet going - So its pretty impressive and he's clearly got a monumental audience. But that's beside the point. It's more around the fact that young men don't have strong role models anymore. They are being neglected, rejected, ignored and pushed away. History tells us that whenever that happens to a social grouping, there is normally a hostile response. It is absolutely no surprise that the likes of Tate and JP are so popular... They give the voiceless a voice in a world dominated by Western institutions that want to discourage prosperity, strength and traditional values. But he's not exactly a good role model, is he? He has a history of being a misogynist bully. I think social media algorithms actually play a big part in this. If you watch one you'll get suggested the other and all your ads and suggestions will be focused on a particular stereotype. As a result you get content which heavily swings one way or another rather than a balanced view. If he gets convicted will your opinion change? Or will that be another conspiracy to shut down the global threat that is Andrew Tate. Sorry mate I think you're missing my point. The very point is that he probably isn't a great role model... But ultimately millions of young men are turning to the likes of Tate for the reasons I've stated above. Why do kids from broken homes, bad family life and shit areas turn to gangs? We all need role models and if they aren't there, we will search for them off our own back - That's when it's at its most dangerous. There will be far more of this to come the more that men and male prosperity is attacked. As it happens I think Tate is a smart guy (evidently) who deliberately provokes. He makes some very good points and some very bad points. No idea whether he's guilty of human trafficking or not but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the challenges facing men.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 4, 2023 0:02:50 GMT
It is sad isn’t it. The choice of role models is appalling now. Maybe it’s me but everything seems to be about image, how someone looks and how to get rich quick with the minimum amount of work to do it. This “My fans” being a classic example. It’s a weird and very destructive world we live in where there’s constant online fighting and bateing. I guess when everyone has a voice it’s bound to happen. The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. I feel sorry that you and your fellow "likers" are attracted to such diverse characters as Tate and Peterson as role models and use their thoughts as a coping mechanism from what you see as an assault on your masculinity in your daily lives You don't have to "love" everyone or indeed embrace others lifestyles just at worst ignore, but at least be respectful and accept difference, you'll be much more fulfilled I can understand your confusion where first your traditional view of Genders was challenged and God forbid Males and Females were deemed to be equal but now their is a whole Alphabet of Pronouns to contend with, it must indeed be distressing
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 0:18:10 GMT
The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. I feel sorry that you and your fellow "likers" are attracted to such diverse characters as Tate and Peterson as role models and use their thoughts as a coping mechanism from what you see as an assault on your masculinity in your daily lives You don't have to "love" everyone or indeed embrace others lifestyles just at worst ignore, but at least be respectful and accept difference, you'll be much more fulfilled I can understand your confusion where first your traditional view of Genders was challenged and God forbid Males and Females were deemed to be equal but now their is a whole Alphabet of Pronouns to contend with, it must indeed be distressing I mean you've basically just embodied all of the above perfectly with that rambling, thanks 😊 Give me a shred of evidence that says I'm personally "attracted" to Tate. Id never listened to him until this case and as per above, from the clips I've seen, he says some very valid, intelligent stuff and some very dumb, idiotic stuff. Can I see why he'd appeal to young men who feel as though they've been let down by a nation? Absolutely. You'd do far worse than take your own advice of "embracing" others with a different view, because evidently it's something you struggle with. You seem triggered and outraged by the idea that men might want to "embrace" masculinity. Why?
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Post by foster on Jan 4, 2023 0:20:33 GMT
The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. I feel sorry that you and your fellow "likers" are attracted to such diverse characters as Tate and Peterson as role models and use their thoughts as a coping mechanism from what you see as an assault on your masculinity in your daily lives You don't have to "love" everyone or indeed embrace others lifestyles just at worst ignore, but at least be respectful and accept difference, you'll be much more fulfilled I can understand your confusion where first your traditional view of Genders was challenged and God forbid Males and Females were deemed to be equal but now their is a whole Alphabet of Pronouns to contend with, it must indeed be distressing And yet, you're one of the least accepting of other posters opinions on here... as demonstrated by your patronising, sarcastic and pompous retorts to anyone who doesn't match up to your own ideals.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 0:26:01 GMT
I feel sorry that you and your fellow "likers" are attracted to such diverse characters as Tate and Peterson as role models and use their thoughts as a coping mechanism from what you see as an assault on your masculinity in your daily lives You don't have to "love" everyone or indeed embrace others lifestyles just at worst ignore, but at least be respectful and accept difference, you'll be much more fulfilled I can understand your confusion where first your traditional view of Genders was challenged and God forbid Males and Females were deemed to be equal but now their is a whole Alphabet of Pronouns to contend with, it must indeed be distressing And yet, you're one of the least accepting of other posters opinions on here... as demonstrated by your patronising, sarcastic and pompous retorts to anyone who doesn't match up to your own ideals. The irony is astounding. It's that exact attitude that is the problem...and then he wonders why many young men lack role models and feel they can't express themselves.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 4, 2023 1:38:47 GMT
I feel sorry that you and your fellow "likers" are attracted to such diverse characters as Tate and Peterson as role models and use their thoughts as a coping mechanism from what you see as an assault on your masculinity in your daily lives You don't have to "love" everyone or indeed embrace others lifestyles just at worst ignore, but at least be respectful and accept difference, you'll be much more fulfilled I can understand your confusion where first your traditional view of Genders was challenged and God forbid Males and Females were deemed to be equal but now their is a whole Alphabet of Pronouns to contend with, it must indeed be distressing And yet, you're one of the least accepting of other posters opinions on here... as demonstrated by your patronising, sarcastic and pompous retorts to anyone who doesn't match up to your own ideals. I fully accept that young people, not just Males suffer from a lack of Role Models. I can not accept that Tate could fulfill this Role for Young Males in any sense I think it's Bizarre to conflate a lack of Male Role Models is in some way related to MSN over emphasising diversity and tolerance within Society. Moreover if diversity and respect were more fully embraced within young Males i believe it would remove one layer of confusion and promote respect generally not least towards Females. Perhaps my posting style is as you described, none of us, not even me is perfect
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2023 2:00:38 GMT
It is sad isn’t it. The choice of role models is appalling now. Maybe it’s me but everything seems to be about image, how someone looks and how to get rich quick with the minimum amount of work to do it. This “My fans” being a classic example. It’s a weird and very destructive world we live in where there’s constant online fighting and bateing. I guess when everyone has a voice it’s bound to happen. The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. 😂😂😂 Christ on a fucking bike.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 4, 2023 4:21:38 GMT
And yet, you're one of the least accepting of other posters opinions on here... as demonstrated by your patronising, sarcastic and pompous retorts to anyone who doesn't match up to your own ideals. The irony is astounding. It's that exact attitude that is the problem...and then he wonders why many young men lack role models and feel they can't express themselves. Bianco, I have quoted in full your post I was replying to, lest I be accused of being selective 1. T he focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. 2. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place.
3. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models.
4. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like
1. Let's talk about Pomposity Your reference to the "Privalidged Pyjama Classes" is a direct reference to Elon Musks employees reluctance to return to the actual workplace What this has to do with Male Role Models God only knows 2. Your revilement of Trans Genderism is well documented on here as well as your distain for the type of Characters portrayed in MSN Perhaps you have found a new hero in your Woke Wars in Nick Fletcher MP He like you bemoans the displacement of "Square Jawed" Male Characters like Dr Who, Ghosterbusters, Luke Skywalker and The Equaliser being replaced by Female Equivalents leaving only The Krays and The Shelbys as Male Role Models. This apparently leads Young Males to a Life of Crime. Ridiculous I know but you commenced the absurdity www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/young-men-committing-crime-because-of-lack-of-role-models-on-tv-conservative-mp-nick-fletcher-suggests-124786553. No more than anyone else and its a poor Cop-out 4. Your use of the term "Fight Back" is a reflection of your general over exaggeration and assessment of Society as you see it, but we agree Tate is not a Role Model
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 4, 2023 8:00:18 GMT
The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. I feel sorry that you and your fellow "likers" are attracted to such diverse characters as Tate and Peterson as role models and use their thoughts as a coping mechanism from what you see as an assault on your masculinity in your daily lives You don't have to "love" everyone or indeed embrace others lifestyles just at worst ignore, but at least be respectful and accept difference, you'll be much more fulfilled I can understand your confusion where first your traditional view of Genders was challenged and God forbid Males and Females were deemed to be equal but now their is a whole Alphabet of Pronouns to contend with, it must indeed be distressing Very worrying.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 8:45:56 GMT
And yet, you're one of the least accepting of other posters opinions on here... as demonstrated by your patronising, sarcastic and pompous retorts to anyone who doesn't match up to your own ideals. I fully accept that young people, not just Males suffer from a lack of Role Models. I can not accept that Tate could fulfill this Role for Young Males in any sense I think it's Bizarre to conflate a lack of Male Role Models is in some way related to MSN over emphasising diversity and tolerance within Society. Moreover if diversity and respect were more fully embraced within young Males i believe it would remove one layer of confusion and promote respect generally not least towards Females. Perhaps my posting style is as you described, none of us, not even me is perfect How is the "over emphasising of diversity and tolerance within society" going? Modern day society has never been more divided and uncertain. How about we don't "over emphasise" race, gender, pseudo feminism or social media and instead, "over emphasise" hard work, winning (and losing), physical health (as well as mental), being financially independent and being successful. Over emphasise the wrong thing and you inevitably get extreme figures trying to over compensate, right? Select people on merit, not quotas.
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Post by yeswilko on Jan 4, 2023 8:49:50 GMT
The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. 😂😂😂 Christ on a fucking bike. It's not funny Bayern. there's a war on masculinity taking place!! Hehehe
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 8:57:04 GMT
😂😂😂 Christ on a fucking bike. It's not funny Bayern. there's a war on masculinity taking place!! Hehehe I don't need to type with you around mate. I should just let you type for me because you perfectly embody all my points 😉
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 4, 2023 9:04:11 GMT
It is sad isn’t it. The choice of role models is appalling now. Maybe it’s me but everything seems to be about image, how someone looks and how to get rich quick with the minimum amount of work to do it. This “My fans” being a classic example. It’s a weird and very destructive world we live in where there’s constant online fighting and bateing. I guess when everyone has a voice it’s bound to happen. The focus away from young men and in many cases, the all out assault on men in recent years, driven by the privileged pyjama classes is very sad. If the propaganda machine at institutions like the BBC, Sky and much of the corporate world focussed as much on developing young male talent as they do on trying to display their vomit worthy levels of virtue by prioritising the likes of the trans community and pseudo feminism - We'd be in a much stronger place. Men are facing huge challenges in modern day society and the more young males are neglected, the more they'll turn to extremism and potentially dangerous role models. The time has come for men to fight back, ideally not via Andrew Tate and the like. Blimey, sounds like you're planning on leading an incel uprising, Bianco Like so many others, I'd never heard of this clown before but now that I have I think he's little more than an idiot's version of Jeremy Clarkson, someone who's successfully monetised saying all sorts of shite (that he probably doesn't really believe himself!) to attract the hard of thinking. Fair play to him for making a 'career' out of it and more fool those who've been attracted to him.
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Post by yeswilko on Jan 4, 2023 9:14:08 GMT
It's not funny Bayern. there's a war on masculinity taking place!! Hehehe I don't need to type with you around mate. I should just let you type for me because you perfectly embody all my points 😉 How much money have you handed over to Tate for "lifestyle coaching" mucka? Must be bursting with masculinity by now! Running around the tennis club slapping arses and that.. 😂
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 9:31:08 GMT
I don't need to type with you around mate. I should just let you type for me because you perfectly embody all my points 😉 How much money have you handed over to Tate for "lifestyle coaching" mucka? Must be bursting with masculinity by now! Running around the tennis club slapping arses and that.. 😂 £0 because if you'd actually read the above, you'd know I don't watch Tate and had barely heard of him. You should take up tennis or squash, it'll be good for you. The women at the tennis club are real women as well...amazing isn't it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2023 9:41:36 GMT
In a world where you have a country that just banned women from going to school, you have a country in Iran where women can't wear what they want you have people wanting more rights for men.
What exactly are men stopped from doing? What a load of made up bollocks.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 4, 2023 9:52:50 GMT
In a world where you have a country that just banned women from going to school, you have a country in Iran where women can't wear what they want you have people wanting more rights for men. What exactly are men stopped from doing? What a load of made up bollocks. Or we could not use a couple of extreme Islamic state examples and maybe reference the likes of Eastern Europe, Italy, the Caribbean or South America where there is more balance? So question - Do YOU think we are living in a time where young males in the UK have an abundance of good, strong role models?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2023 9:54:43 GMT
In a world where you have a country that just banned women from going to school, you have a country in Iran where women can't wear what they want you have people wanting more rights for men. What exactly are men stopped from doing? What a load of made up bollocks. Or we could not use a couple of extreme Islamic state examples and maybe reference the likes of Eastern Europe, Italy, the Caribbean or South America where there is more balance? So question - Do YOU think we are living in a time where young males in the UK have an abundance of good, strong role models? I think men have it easier compared to women and have very few excuses to be little bastards.
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