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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 23, 2023 6:55:42 GMT
I thought Leicester`s tactics last night were shameful. Two touches in the oppositions penalty area and one solitary effort on goal in injury time. They deserve to go down with such negative play. They had enough quality on the pitch to have played with more attacking intent than that. I thought it was a sound approach to the game, Newcastle would have battered them if they’d have give them space. They got to 60 mins and had a go. It almost worked.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 23, 2023 6:59:52 GMT
Pleased for Souttar, he was excellent.
Leicester however are a shadow of their former selves, they should beat West Ham but they're that bad I won't be putting any money on it........
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 23, 2023 7:26:02 GMT
I thought Leicester`s tactics last night were shameful. Two touches in the oppositions penalty area and one solitary effort on goal in injury time. They deserve to go down with such negative play. They had enough quality on the pitch to have played with more attacking intent than that. Sorry I don't agree, Defensive play is also part of football, they defended very well tonight as a team and a free flowing newcastle couldn't break them down. Yes they rode their luck at times but they kept their goal difference in tact, came away with a good point (when some on here were predicting a 4-0 win for newcastle) and go into the last game still with a chance. In our early premier days we had away days like this....you do whatever it takes to get you to the finish line.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2023 7:32:07 GMT
I thought Leicester`s tactics last night were shameful. Two touches in the oppositions penalty area and one solitary effort on goal in injury time. They deserve to go down with such negative play. They had enough quality on the pitch to have played with more attacking intent than that. Sorry I don't agree, Defensive play is also part of football, they defended very well tonight as a team and a free flowing newcastle couldn't break them down. Yes they rode their luck at times but they kept their goal difference in tact, came away with a good point (when some on here were predicting a 4-0 win for newcastle) and go into the last game still with a chance. In our early premier days we had away days like this....you do whatever it takes to get you to the finish line. Not sure I agree with that. They needed to win last night, imo. Then they would have had a real chance of staying up on the last day where a win against WHU would keep them up regardless of what Everton did v Bournemouth. Now they need to win and Everton to draw/lose at home against a side on the beach with the leakiest defence outside of the bottom three.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 23, 2023 8:28:18 GMT
Looks to me Smith - like Lambert at Stoke - has got the psychology all wrong for this group of players. If you've got a squad of underdogs who know they aren't as good as other teams then building on an underdog spirit and playing to dig in and nick games can work because it suits the mentality of the players. Trying to do that with an underperforming team of decent players who know it won't work - like it or not they aren't going to like starting games being told they aren't as good as their opponents and their only hope is to grind it out. They need to be coaxed into doing what they do best and play their natural game with some belief and confidence and take the game to the opposition.
Leicester got a point last night (which to be fair might turn out to be enough) but lost against Fulham and Liverpool with the same tactic. Fulham were there for the taking and Leicester just let them come at them and got turned over - they would have been better off winning that one and taking defeats against in form Liverpool and Newcastle.
I think they'll go down - I can see Everton winning and if Leicester go one down against West Ham they will fold.
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Post by mickstupp on May 23, 2023 8:28:19 GMT
I thought Leicester`s tactics last night were shameful. Two touches in the oppositions penalty area and one solitary effort on goal in injury time. They deserve to go down with such negative play. They had enough quality on the pitch to have played with more attacking intent than that. Sorry I don't agree, Defensive play is also part of football, they defended very well tonight as a team and a free flowing newcastle couldn't break them down. Yes they rode their luck at times but they kept their goal difference in tact, came away with a good point (when some on here were predicting a 4-0 win for newcastle) and go into the last game still with a chance. In our early premier days we had away days like this....you do whatever it takes to get you to the finish line. Early premier days yes I agree, but this is a team with quality. They didn`t need to play like that. Ultra negative and very lucky to escape with a point in my opinion, I feel sorry for their fans who paid to watch such tepid tripe.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 23, 2023 8:31:19 GMT
Sorry I don't agree, Defensive play is also part of football, they defended very well tonight as a team and a free flowing newcastle couldn't break them down. Yes they rode their luck at times but they kept their goal difference in tact, came away with a good point (when some on here were predicting a 4-0 win for newcastle) and go into the last game still with a chance. In our early premier days we had away days like this....you do whatever it takes to get you to the finish line. Early premier days yes I agree, but this is a team with quality. They didn`t need to play like that. Ultra negative and very lucky to escape with a point in my opinion, I feel sorry for there fans that paid to watch such tepid tripe. Newcastle were visibly nervous from about the 70th minute, and Leicester had one solitary effort in the 93rd of 95 minutes, really really poor. They should have at least had a go last 20 without being gung ho, in any other circumstances it would have been a really good point but it could have been in their own hands. I suppose we'll only know if it was a good point at 18:30 on Sunday though.............
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Post by mickstupp on May 23, 2023 8:31:55 GMT
I thought Leicester`s tactics last night were shameful. Two touches in the oppositions penalty area and one solitary effort on goal in injury time. They deserve to go down with such negative play. They had enough quality on the pitch to have played with more attacking intent than that. I thought it was a sound approach to the game, Newcastle would have battered them if they’d have give them space. They got to 60 mins and had a go. It almost worked. Had a go? They had two touches in the oppositions penalty area throughout the whole game?
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Post by Veritas on May 23, 2023 8:48:38 GMT
I thought it was a sound approach to the game, Newcastle would have battered them if they’d have give them space. They got to 60 mins and had a go. It almost worked. Had a go? They had two touches in the oppositions penalty area throughout the whole game? And it very nearly was enough, If I was a Leicester fan I would be reasonably pleased with an away point.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 23, 2023 10:38:12 GMT
Looks to me Smith - like Lambert at Stoke - has got the psychology all wrong for this group of players. If you've got a squad of underdogs who know they aren't as good as other teams then building on an underdog spirit and playing to dig in and nick games can work because it suits the mentality of the players. Trying to do that with an underperforming team of decent players who know it won't work - like it or not they aren't going to like starting games being told they aren't as good as their opponents and their only hope is to grind it out. They need to be coaxed into doing what they do best and play their natural game with some belief and confidence and take the game to the opposition. Leicester got a point last night (which to be fair might turn out to be enough) but lost against Fulham and Liverpool with the same tactic. Fulham were there for the taking and Leicester just let them come at them and got turned over - they would have been better off winning that one and taking defeats against in form Liverpool and Newcastle. I think they'll go down - I can see Everton winning and if Leicester go one down against West Ham they will fold. After 36 games it's pretty clear that this season newcastles players are better, so I can understand smiths tactics... his team have been poor all season, there confidence is shot, the vast majority of prem centre backs are now faster than vardy. If Leicester had of gone toe to toe with Newcastle they would of got whipped.. Yes it may be to little to late but there still their fighting on the last day.
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2023 11:08:42 GMT
Had a go? They had two touches in the oppositions penalty area throughout the whole game? And it very nearly was enough, If I was a Leicester fan I would be reasonably pleased with an away point. normally yes, but a draw means it's out of their hands now if they had defended & defended till 70 minutes then had 20 minutes of trying to attack I think most fans would understand that
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Post by gingerninja on May 23, 2023 11:53:49 GMT
It was as bad, if not worse than any of Pulis park the bus performances, Leicester had far better players at their disposal as well, which makes it that much worse. If I was a Leicester fan traveling to support them all that way, point gained or not, I would have been appalled.
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Post by Veritas on May 23, 2023 11:54:00 GMT
And it very nearly was enough, If I was a Leicester fan I would be reasonably pleased with an away point. normally yes, but a draw means it's out of their hands now if they had defended & defended till 70 minutes then had 20 minutes of trying to attack I think most fans would understand that The bookies are rarely wrong and the odds on them winning were large. Yes it is out if their hands but they have the best goal difference and are playing West Ham who will have more than an eye on the Europa Cup final.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 23, 2023 12:15:43 GMT
Looks to me Smith - like Lambert at Stoke - has got the psychology all wrong for this group of players. If you've got a squad of underdogs who know they aren't as good as other teams then building on an underdog spirit and playing to dig in and nick games can work because it suits the mentality of the players. Trying to do that with an underperforming team of decent players who know it won't work - like it or not they aren't going to like starting games being told they aren't as good as their opponents and their only hope is to grind it out. They need to be coaxed into doing what they do best and play their natural game with some belief and confidence and take the game to the opposition. Leicester got a point last night (which to be fair might turn out to be enough) but lost against Fulham and Liverpool with the same tactic. Fulham were there for the taking and Leicester just let them come at them and got turned over - they would have been better off winning that one and taking defeats against in form Liverpool and Newcastle. I think they'll go down - I can see Everton winning and if Leicester go one down against West Ham they will fold. After 36 games it's pretty clear that this season newcastles players are better, so I can understand smiths tactics... his team have been poor all season, there confidence is shot, the vast majority of prem centre backs are now faster than vardy. If Leicester had of gone toe to toe with Newcastle they would of got whipped.. Yes it may be to little to late but there still their fighting on the last day. It's the wrong tactics for this set of players and the Newcastle game in isolation isn't the issue. Since Smith has come in they have been negative and haven't taken the game to any of their opponents. Being more adventurous would probably have meant losing against in form teams like Newcastle and Liverpool but with the quality they have could have brought wins against the like of Fulham, Everton and Palace where they ended up getting a total of 1 point. His negative approach hasn't done anything to improve them - they needed a manager who could get the best out of some decent players not convert them into underdogs with an underdog mentality they don't possess.
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2023 12:39:30 GMT
Pleased for Souttar, he was excellent. Leicester however are a shadow of their former selves, they should beat West Ham but they're that bad I won't be putting any money on it........ Not sure I can see it to be honest, I can see an early Hammers goal and heads just dropping. I think rellygation is done and dusted, bloody Everton spawning out of it for the nth time in 30 years despite being absolutely woeful
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Post by a on May 23, 2023 18:50:36 GMT
Of course it helps them. Had they lost Everton could have sat in and played for a draw which is a Dyche wet dream. Now the pressure is on Everton to get 3 points without their main attacking threat. Logic suggests all 3 teams should win this weekend, but an early goal for either Leicester or Leeds could cause Everton to panic. A win might and probably won’t be enough, but it’s incorrect to say it doesn’t help. Bournemouth will be in change strip of hawaiian shirts, bermuda shorts and sandals. They've been on the beach since they secured safety. Lost their last three. I would prefer Everton to come down for novelty value but I just can't see it. Same, Everton would be my preferred club to drop but equally seeing smug Gary’s side drop would be nice too, he was never kind to Stoke imo. Leeds are Leeds and again a club I wouldn’t mind seeing drop. Everton though would be quality, just can’t see it happening sadly. Bournemouth will lose making the other results moot.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 23, 2023 19:08:32 GMT
I disagree with the view that Leicester should have gone gung ho last night. They were clearly thinking “if we lose this we are down”. As it is, at the weekend they will undoubtedly attack because if they win and Everton get anything other than a win they’re staying up and Everton are down. A win last night wouldn’t actually have changed that much as in it still goes to the last game and I don’t subscribe to this “in their own hands” stuff. It was sensible to take a point. Just my view
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Post by smallthorner on May 23, 2023 19:34:50 GMT
Bournemouth will be in change strip of hawaiian shirts, bermuda shorts and sandals. They've been on the beach since they secured safety. Lost their last three. I would prefer Everton to come down for novelty value but I just can't see it. Same, Everton would be my preferred club to drop but equally seeing smug Gary’s side drop would be nice too, he was never kind to Stoke imo. Leeds are Leeds and again a club I wouldn’t mind seeing drop. Everton though would be quality, just can’t see it happening sadly. Bournemouth will lose making the other results moot. Yeh... Reckon Everton will score early and then Bournemouth will surrender tamely. Such a shame for the neutrals. Looking forward to knicker gripper with about five teams involved. Still, nice to see Leeds go down again.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 24, 2023 11:27:15 GMT
If only we could have won 2 trophies before we got relegated,it would have softened the blow somewhat.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 24, 2023 11:43:13 GMT
There’s still a lot of parallels between Ourselves and Leicester’s time in the Premier League (apart from the fact they were so much more successfull of course)
Both clubs almost sleepwalked into the Championship with squads ‘far too good to go down’.
I know Leicester aren’t actually down yet but at 1/6 the bookies firmly believe they are.
Sacking a manager mid term is rarely a good idea and I firmly believe Hughes would have kept us up, just as Brenda would have surely kept the Foxes up.
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Post by a on May 24, 2023 11:55:39 GMT
Same, Everton would be my preferred club to drop but equally seeing smug Gary’s side drop would be nice too, he was never kind to Stoke imo. Leeds are Leeds and again a club I wouldn’t mind seeing drop. Everton though would be quality, just can’t see it happening sadly. Bournemouth will lose making the other results moot. Yeh... Reckon Everton will score early and then Bournemouth will surrender tamely. Such a shame for the neutrals. Looking forward to knicker gripper with about five teams involved. Still, nice to see Leeds go down again. I love a last day scramble when we’re the neutrals 😂 there’s going to be tears 😭
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Post by callas12 on May 28, 2023 18:19:26 GMT
Wonder what happens to Souttar now? Will he stay & be part of their Championship adventure or be deemed worthy of another move to a Premier League Club like Collins did moving to Wolves from Burnley??
Although Leicester were poor I bet he never imagined being relegated back to the Championship on the final day of the season when he signed on with Brendon Rogers back in Jan.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 28, 2023 18:21:21 GMT
Wonder what happens to Souttar now? Will he stay & be part of their Championship adventure or be deemed worthy of another move to a Premier League Club like Collins did moving to Wolves from Burnley?? Although Leicester were poor I bet he never imagined being relegated back to the Championship on the final day of the season when he signed on with Brendon Rogers back in Jan. He’ll stay there, will be on a decent contract and I can’t imagine many suitors based on his performances so far. That said he will probably be one of the best defenders in the championship next season so maybe a move further down the line. Got to feel for him really
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Post by Olgrligm on May 28, 2023 18:33:03 GMT
Potentially a blow to our transfer budget?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 28, 2023 18:43:02 GMT
Leicester have got them sens a very good Championship defender in Souttar.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 28, 2023 18:43:53 GMT
Potentially a blow to our transfer budget? I don’t think add on’s will have affect their thinking for a transfer budget. I’d hope not anyway that’d be stupid. Oh hang on….
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Post by spoton on May 28, 2023 19:05:04 GMT
Wonder what happens to Souttar now? Will he stay & be part of their Championship adventure or be deemed worthy of another move to a Premier League Club like Collins did moving to Wolves from Burnley?? Although Leicester were poor I bet he never imagined being relegated back to the Championship on the final day of the season when he signed on with Brendon Rogers back in Jan. I don't believe he's good enough to play in the premiership, you need pace something he lacks
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Post by metalhead on May 28, 2023 19:18:23 GMT
Would love him back.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 28, 2023 19:23:08 GMT
Souttar was excellent the other night in a back 5 In a back 4 he’ll always struggle in my opinion against movement and pace especially in the Premier League.
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Post by PotterLog on May 28, 2023 19:23:39 GMT
Wonder what happens to Souttar now? Will he stay & be part of their Championship adventure or be deemed worthy of another move to a Premier League Club like Collins did moving to Wolves from Burnley?? Although Leicester were poor I bet he never imagined being relegated back to the Championship on the final day of the season when he signed on with Brendon Rogers back in Jan. He’ll stay there, will be on a decent contract and I can’t imagine many suitors based on his performances so far. That said he will probably be one of the best defenders in the championship next season so maybe a move further down the line. Got to feel for him really Perhaps it’s not the worst thing in the world for him. He’s still young and will now get a full season in the Champo to develop further, out of the spotlight of a Prem relegation dogfight which he probably wasn’t quite ready for, especially so soon after coming back from a bad injury. Then assuming things go well, he goes back up with them or gets a Prem move with more experience under his belt and he’s more ready..
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