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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 19, 2024 0:14:45 GMT
I’m kinda gutted Paul went. He played a great evil traitor. He completely cocked it up by putting himself in the dungeon. Hoping Harry gets done because he’s getting way too cocky. Yes I preferred him to Harry but I can’t deny it was TV gold watching him get usurped by the young gun.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 22:25:16 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine!
However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning.
How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor.
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Post by stoke111 on Jan 19, 2024 22:33:25 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Annoying thing I find about Jaz is it seems he has the right theory but keeps in quiet and doesn’t say a word in the round table. I feel like he wants to give the theory but wants someone else to lead it. Then if it’s wrong he won’t get the backlash. He feels very crafty.
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Post by lordb on Jan 19, 2024 22:45:09 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Think Harry made a mistake saying that surely Molly will twig that only a traitor could guarantee she won't be murdered
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Post by lordb on Jan 19, 2024 22:46:32 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Annoying thing I find about Jaz is it seems he has the right theory but keeps in quiet and doesn’t say a word in the round table. I feel like he wants to give the theory but wants someone else to lead it. Then if it’s wrong he won’t get the backlash. He feels very crafty. He's just incredibly paranoid when he shared his, 100%correct, Harry theory (with evidence) Zak and Evie just dismissed it
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 22:53:15 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Think Harry made a mistake saying that surely Molly will twig that only a traitor could guarantee she won't be murdered Don't mean to be rude to Mollie but she's 1) not the sharpest tool in the box and 2) she's absolutely infatuated with him and Harry knows it, no way he would have pulled that stunt with Jasmine.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 22:55:45 GMT
Annoying thing I find about Jaz is it seems he has the right theory but keeps in quiet and doesn’t say a word in the round table. I feel like he wants to give the theory but wants someone else to lead it. Then if it’s wrong he won’t get the backlash. He feels very crafty. He's just incredibly paranoid when he shared his, 100%correct, Harry theory (with evidence) Zak and Evie just dismissed it Yep, he's the cleverest one in there. Clocked Paul way before anybody else and has done exactly the same with Harry but he's too terrified to speak up, incase he get's offed as a result.
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Post by misterj on Jan 19, 2024 23:40:34 GMT
Clocked first episode and couldn’t get into it. Seemed like a school kid game, I’ve killed you….. you’re dead! etc. Also the promotion of being devious and backstabbing ….. rather than celebrate that sort of sh** - don’t we normally condemn it as being the behaviour of aspirational and ambitious ‘win at all costs’ types?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 20, 2024 0:23:01 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Jaz is the smartest person in there by a distance, though it really is a low bar. I think tonight’s episode showed that collectively they are quite an unintelligent bunch of people and about 3/4 of the way it made me a bit fed up with the show. As Harry says, they’re the most traitorous faithfuls imaginable, and it’s down to them not ever thinking things through logically. If a young man who spells Charlotte ‘CHARLOT’ on his board is running rings round them, then you know something is amiss.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 20, 2024 0:26:07 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Annoying thing I find about Jaz is it seems he has the right theory but keeps in quiet and doesn’t say a word in the round table. I feel like he wants to give the theory but wants someone else to lead it. Then if it’s wrong he won’t get the backlash. He feels very crafty. I think he’s smart, he bides his time to take the horse of the bridle. Like his vote for Andrew the other night, he knew it wasn’t time for Paul bashing. He will do the same with Harry next episode. It’s all played into Andrew’s hands tonight, weirdly. If he sits back and says nothing, he could win the whole thing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2024 1:00:59 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Jaz is the smartest person in there by a distance, though it really is a low bar. I think tonight’s episode showed that collectively they are quite an unintelligent bunch of people and about 3/4 of the way it made me a bit fed up with a show. As Harry says, they’re the most traitorous faithfuls imaginable, and it’s down to them not ever thinking things through logically. If a young man who spells Charlotte ‘CHARLOT’ on his board is running rings round them, then you know something is amiss.
Agreed.
And I think it must be so hard as the show's producers to get the selection of the player's right. There must be hundreds, if not thousands of people who apply and they've got to work out, which ones of all those applicants will ultimately make a good show. If everyone of the ones chosen, was bright as a button, then it might not work, they actually need a few thickos in there to make it work, i guess.
Nevertheless, it's compulsive viewing and the format is miles above any of the normal reality TV shows that we get fostered upon us.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 20, 2024 14:40:59 GMT
Ross has got to go down as the most gullible contestant, he's utterly useless.
Unfortunately for the "faithfuls" he isn’t the only one who can't see the blindingly obvious.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 21, 2024 20:14:28 GMT
Clocked first episode and couldn’t get into it. Seemed like a school kid game, I’ve killed you….. you’re dead! etc. Also the promotion of being devious and backstabbing ….. rather than celebrate that sort of sh** - don’t we normally condemn it as being the behaviour of aspirational and ambitious ‘win at all costs’ types? You deserve a public flogging for this heresy. It's quite possibly the finest TV creation since Breaking Bad (and you should see the antisocial behaviour they got upto on that).
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 22, 2024 12:47:15 GMT
Would have absolutely loved it if Harry had murdered Mollie, after assuring her she would be fine! However it was a perfect strategy to conceal the shield, assuming he will reveal at breakfast in the morning. How anybody can think that Jaz is a traitor is just plain stupid. He'd been calling out Paul for ages, he obviously wouldn't have being doing that if he was a traitor. Think Harry made a mistake saying that surely Molly will twig that only a traitor could guarantee she won't be murdered Same, think it will come back to bite him. Getting too clever for his own good, was a far better strategy when he was blending into the background.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 23, 2024 18:29:45 GMT
Trying to avoid spoilers...
It's easy to judge people as dumb because the show makers only give glimpses of what's gone on, not sure how many of us would do better?
E.g. I think Harry, Zack and Charlotte have done some smart things, they've clearly got some nous. Harry is going a bit overboard last few episodes though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2024 2:07:41 GMT
It surely HAS to be Zack that they kill tonight, hasn't it?
If Jasmine was a traitor, then then there is no doubt whatsoever, that Zack would be the one who she would kill tonight.
Ergo, at the round table tomorrow, if Zack has been offed, then Jasmine is clearly the (possibly final) traitor.
Absolutely no way Harry is going to kill Mollie, she is infatuated with him and he knows he's got her nailed.
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Post by mrnovember on Jan 25, 2024 7:41:04 GMT
It surely HAS to be Zack that they kill tonight, hasn't it?
If Jasmine was a traitor, then then there is no doubt whatsoever, that Zack would be the one who she would kill tonight.
Ergo, at the round table tomorrow, if Zack has been offed, then Jasmine is clearly the (possibly final) traitor.
Absolutely no way Harry is going to kill Mollie, she is infatuated with him and he knows he's got her nailed.
It's the only play and you suspect the conversation in the turret was a lot more decisive than the one that was aired. Jasmine will argue that it's too obvious to be her but she will still go. Which is a shame because I've really enjoyed watching her, I think she's articulated well and stayed just on the right side of confrontational for the most part. Their only chance really is an en masse and very sudden realisation that Harry The Unbanishable escaping murder for so long is ludicrous and makes no sense.
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2024 12:50:00 GMT
It surely HAS to be Zack that they kill tonight, hasn't it?
If Jasmine was a traitor, then then there is no doubt whatsoever, that Zack would be the one who she would kill tonight.
Ergo, at the round table tomorrow, if Zack has been offed, then Jasmine is clearly the (possibly final) traitor.
Absolutely no way Harry is going to kill Mollie, she is infatuated with him and he knows he's got her nailed.
It's the only play and you suspect the conversation in the turret was a lot more decisive than the one that was aired. Jasmine will argue that it's too obvious to be her but she will still go. Which is a shame because I've really enjoyed watching her, I think she's articulated well and stayed just on the right side of confrontational for the most part. Their only chance really is an en masse and very sudden realisation that Harry The Unbanishable escaping murder for so long is ludicrous and makes no sense. Why would Jasmine as a traitor kill Zach though knowing that it puts the attention directly onto her. It's not a smart move. Plus Jasmine was close to cracking it last night when she flirted with the idea of Zach knowing that Harry had the shield and using that to his advantage. Just needs to click that maybe there was a recruitment which occurred and Harry could be the traitor. I think it was maybe Jaz (Jez?) Said in an earlier episode last week about Harry maybe being a traitor. Or if not him one of them did. Maybe it was Ross?. Not sure. With Ross also getting wound up by Andrew and insinuating he's been thrown under the bus. I think a few eyes could go Andrew's direction. I don't want Harry to win - I didn't like him in the first episode and his arrogance since Paul went out has cemented that opinion. I think getting rid of Paul was smart by him but everything up to that was mainly Paul's work. I don't particularly think Harry has played well and it's more so that the faithful have played poorly. Surely it has to click for someone that he has voted every single traitor off and came up with mad theories on how each were traitors. Was only a few episodes ago that they were querying why he's not been murdered after getting everything correct. Then suddenly he gets a shield and doesn't get murdered and everyone's sold on it- nah. Greed will get the better of Harry eventually and he will get caught even if he survives next couple of rounds. If he goes for Andrew, I think Andrew will leave enough seeds to put them onto Harry. If I was Andrew I witnessed how he screwed the rest of the traitors, I'd be doing my upmost to make sure he gets fucked over if he came for me - I think Andrew will do the same. Very much tram faithful at the minute so I am.
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2024 12:52:11 GMT
I think it would be much better if upon receiving a shield you can use it on yourself or another contestant of your choosing.
Think that would make people a bit more tactical with it and the game more interesting.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 25, 2024 12:54:16 GMT
Ross' 1 day as a traitor certainly cemented his place as one of the worst contestants over both series. The bloke had no idea as a faithful and as a traitor had a breakdown almost immediately.
I thought Ash was a shit traitor but last night was a whole new level.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2024 13:16:37 GMT
It's the only play and you suspect the conversation in the turret was a lot more decisive than the one that was aired. Jasmine will argue that it's too obvious to be her but she will still go. Which is a shame because I've really enjoyed watching her, I think she's articulated well and stayed just on the right side of confrontational for the most part. Their only chance really is an en masse and very sudden realisation that Harry The Unbanishable escaping murder for so long is ludicrous and makes no sense. Why would Jasmine as a traitor kill Zach though knowing that it puts the attention directly onto her. It's not a smart move. And that will be exactly the defence that Jasmine will offer at the roundtable tonight and the faithful won't believe her. The faithful have repeatedly shown that they are unable to think any deeper than the most obvious answer. Look at the way Zak celebrated last night because he was convinced that HIS theory had been proven right, even though in actual fact, he was completely wrong.
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2024 13:37:47 GMT
Why would Jasmine as a traitor kill Zach though knowing that it puts the attention directly onto her. It's not a smart move. And that will be exactly the defence that Jasmine will offer at the roundtable tonight and the faithful won't believe her. The faithful have repeatedly shown that they are unable to think any deeper than the most obvious answer. Look at the way Zak celebrated last night because he was convinced that HIS theory had been proven right, even though in actual fact, he was completely wrong. I think when it gets to end game they'll think much deeper. As just like the traitors, it works to their advantage to eliminate as many as possible in order to get a bigger prize fund. And I have a hunch that tonight could be the last slaughter? Taking out Evie and Mollie who are useless - that leaves at least 1 of Zach, Jasmine and Jez making it to the final. I think one of the above three will make a difference in the final. And I think if/when Harry turns on Andrew that will cost them. If Andrew and Harry went into the final happy to split the prize pot I think there chances are decent but I can't see that happening. So if Harry turns on Andrew then he in effects needs to get down to a 1v1 to win which means eliminating Andrew, the above three and Mollie or Evie. I don't think he's convincing enough to do that. He's got to where he has because he hasn't been challenged but in the late game he will come under alot more heat. If the traitors want to win they need to stick together but I sort of envision a repeat of last year to play out here. And I think Harry's getting too big for his boots.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2024 13:45:15 GMT
And that will be exactly the defence that Jasmine will offer at the roundtable tonight and the faithful won't believe her. The faithful have repeatedly shown that they are unable to think any deeper than the most obvious answer. Look at the way Zak celebrated last night because he was convinced that HIS theory had been proven right, even though in actual fact, he was completely wrong. I think when it gets to end game they'll think much deeper. As just like the traitors, it works to their advantage to eliminate as many as possible in order to get a bigger prize fund. And I have a hunch that tonight could be the last slaughter? Taking out Evie and Mollie who are useless - that leaves at least 1 of Zach, Jasmine and Jez making it to the final. I think one of the above three will make a difference in the final. And I think if/when Harry turns on Andrew that will cost them. If Andrew and Harry went into the final happy to split the prize pot I think there chances are decent but I can't see that happening. So if Harry turns on Andrew then he in effects needs to get down to a 1v1 to win which means eliminating Andrew, the above three and Mollie or Evie. I don't think he's convincing enough to do that. He's got to where he has because he hasn't been challenged but in the late game he will come under alot more heat. If the traitors want to win they need to stick together but I sort of envision a repeat of last year to play out here. And I think Harry's getting too big for his boots. So are you suggesting that his best play now, is to to murder Evie or Mollie?
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2024 13:56:03 GMT
I think when it gets to end game they'll think much deeper. As just like the traitors, it works to their advantage to eliminate as many as possible in order to get a bigger prize fund. And I have a hunch that tonight could be the last slaughter? Taking out Evie and Mollie who are useless - that leaves at least 1 of Zach, Jasmine and Jez making it to the final. I think one of the above three will make a difference in the final. And I think if/when Harry turns on Andrew that will cost them. If Andrew and Harry went into the final happy to split the prize pot I think there chances are decent but I can't see that happening. So if Harry turns on Andrew then he in effects needs to get down to a 1v1 to win which means eliminating Andrew, the above three and Mollie or Evie. I don't think he's convincing enough to do that. He's got to where he has because he hasn't been challenged but in the late game he will come under alot more heat. If the traitors want to win they need to stick together but I sort of envision a repeat of last year to play out here. And I think Harry's getting too big for his boots. So are you suggesting that his best play now, is to to murder Evie or Mollie? No no what I meant was taking evie or mollie out of the equation as they're probably the weakest faithful left and it works in traitors favour to keep them in. So I imagine one of jez/zach/Jasmine to be slaughtered. And potentially another one of them to be eliminated at the round table too. Which would leave 1 of them plus the other 4 in the final. Jez is very smart and the strongest player remaining. Jasmine next smartest. Zach is a bit of a cannon fodder and not as convincing but at least will consider all possibilities. In my opinion. I think one of these 3 will help crack it especially if they get to the final table. Who knows though. Brilliant TV series. I keep meaning to run a game on here very similar to the TV series which is like a social deduction forum version of it but with more tools available to help identify the goodies and badies.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2024 14:04:09 GMT
So are you suggesting that his best play now, is to to murder Evie or Mollie? No no what I meant was taking evie or mollie out of the equation as they're probably the weakest faithful left and it works in traitors favour to keep them in. So I imagine one of jez/zach/Jasmine to be slaughtered. And potentially another one of them to be eliminated at the round table too. Which would leave 1 of them plus the other 4 in the final. Jez is very smart and the strongest player remaining. Jasmine next smartest. Zach is a bit of a cannon fodder and not as convincing but at least will consider all possibilities. In my opinion. I think one of these 3 will help crack it especially if they get to the final table. Who knows though. Brilliant TV series. I keep meaning to run a game on here very similar to the TV series which is like a social deduction forum version of it but with more tools available to help identify the goodies and badies. Yes I agree the smart play is to murder one of Zach, Jasmine or Jez. I think Jasmine would be a wasted kill because she's easily the favourite to be banished tonight and I think by killing Zach, that just increases that eventuality. It would mean facing Jez in the final though and he would be Harry's biggest threat no doubt, so we might see him go tonight. And yes, brilliant TV show all round.
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Post by lordb on Jan 25, 2024 14:47:11 GMT
I think when it gets to end game they'll think much deeper. As just like the traitors, it works to their advantage to eliminate as many as possible in order to get a bigger prize fund. And I have a hunch that tonight could be the last slaughter? Taking out Evie and Mollie who are useless - that leaves at least 1 of Zach, Jasmine and Jez making it to the final. I think one of the above three will make a difference in the final. And I think if/when Harry turns on Andrew that will cost them. If Andrew and Harry went into the final happy to split the prize pot I think there chances are decent but I can't see that happening. So if Harry turns on Andrew then he in effects needs to get down to a 1v1 to win which means eliminating Andrew, the above three and Mollie or Evie. I don't think he's convincing enough to do that. He's got to where he has because he hasn't been challenged but in the late game he will come under alot more heat. If the traitors want to win they need to stick together but I sort of envision a repeat of last year to play out here. And I think Harry's getting too big for his boots. So are you suggesting that his best play now, is to to murder Evie or Mollie? Got to be Evie Zak and Jasmine will get voted out Molly trusts Harry completely Evie more likely to work it out I'm assuming Jaz was murdered last night Harry to chuck Andrew under the bus penultimate round
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Post by noustie on Jan 25, 2024 16:22:53 GMT
I’ve never watched it but interested in giving it a go as fuck all else on.
Don’t really want google it but is the premise someone’s going about trying bump off the other contestants without getting caught?
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Post by gawa on Jan 25, 2024 16:30:38 GMT
I’ve never watched it but interested in giving it a go as fuck all else on. Don’t really want google it but is the premise someone’s going about trying bump off the other contestants without getting caught? 2 teams - faithful/traitors Every night there is a round table involving everyone where they point fingers, accuse and eventually vote out who they think is a traitor. Every night there is also a kill or recruitment by the traitors. Where they either off another player or they recruit one to join them. Traitors know traitors but faithful don't know who else is faithful. During the day there is also a task which goes towards the prize fund and a shield can be won to protect you from murder by the traitors the next night. Which you can choose to disclose or keep private. If you do intend to watch it don't read the comments here as may spoil it. Presume you've only seen a few posts so should be grand. Get it on iplayer and smash it out. If you like it you can then watch last years too.
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Post by deeside2 on Jan 25, 2024 16:49:05 GMT
IMO it makes most sense for Jaz to have been murdered last night. Banish Jasmine tonight, then murder Zach afterwards. That just leaves Evie, Mollie, Andrew and Harry for the final. I don't think Mollie is capable of working it out (unless she's been playing a clever game throughout, but I doubt it) and she's seemingly smitten with Harry. Evie just might do (but don't they think there's just 1 traitor remaining?), which could possibly leave Andrew and Harry going for each other, or they agree to combine to try to split the prize fund.
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Post by mrnovember on Jan 25, 2024 17:38:00 GMT
I love the different approaches and theories listed here in the last few hours. A good example of the intrigue of the show.
I'm still really hoping there is a light switch moment amongst the faithful.
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