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Post by dexter97 on Nov 29, 2022 15:32:53 GMT
Politics has been done to death now. Let's see whether religion is less divisive... Less than half of population Christian for first timeAccording to the 2021 census, less than half of England & Wales now identifies as Christian – 46%, compared to 59% ten years earlier. The fall mirrors a rise in the number of people who claim to have no religion, from 25% to 37%. It’s not news that society is becoming increasingly secular, but this is quite a change in a relatively short period of time. Nobody can say for sure how much further this will move over the next ten years, but it’s only going in one direction and will likely drop below a third before too long. At what point do we stop considering the UK a Christian country, and what do you think will be the implications of that? For the institutions that are bound-up in religious faith? For societal values when the singular truth that shaped them has become irrelevant? I’m one of the 37% and don’t feel that I’m in need of spiritual guidance to know how to be a ‘good person’, but I guess that’s how most atheists regard themselves, and there's as much disparity in what the non-religious believe as there is between all the world's faiths. What moral code are we going to live by, and without the promise of everlasting life or the jeopardy of eternal damnation, is anyone going to give a toss anyway?
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Post by flea79 on Nov 29, 2022 17:12:07 GMT
just scrap all religion and the world will be a better place thread finished
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Post by knype on Nov 29, 2022 17:14:03 GMT
just scrap all religion and the world will be a better place thread finished And politics
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 29, 2022 17:53:17 GMT
Did it say if other religions had been on the increase.
Lets face it the only gods are social media ahd the press.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Nov 29, 2022 18:02:58 GMT
A lot of 'Christians' these days have probably developed an 'atheist' stance in more recent times. A good proportion of people I know couldn't care less for religion. Born C of E, but otherwise, no real sense of feeling that way.
Whereas, I'd always imagined Muslims, for example, to be more fervent followers of their own religion.
In summary, a lot of Christians have fallen out of love with the idea of religion. That'll skew these numbers, somewhat.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2022 18:05:19 GMT
It’s all just a load of divisive bollocks and I’m sick of it!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 29, 2022 18:06:39 GMT
Did it say if other religions had been on the increase.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2022 18:10:54 GMT
Did it say if other religions had been on the increase. No real surprises there based on population demographs
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 29, 2022 18:38:12 GMT
Wonder if other contains Jedi's
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Post by felonious on Nov 29, 2022 18:46:47 GMT
I can't wait for the day when we can reclaim the fish.
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Post by superjw on Nov 29, 2022 19:12:19 GMT
Hardly surprising tbh. I was raised a Christian but learnt like many in adult life that a higher god power doesn’t exist.
Over millennia, religion was a way of life and frankly, a way to control populations and explain “biblical” events that can easily be proved by science today. It to mention the endless conflicts that are religiously rooted.
People can lead whatever life they want, but a world without religion would be a better place.
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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 29, 2022 19:29:51 GMT
Hardly surprising tbh. I was raised a Christian but learnt like many in adult life that a higher god power doesn’t exist. Over millennia, religion was a way of life and frankly, a way to control populations and explain “biblical” events that can easily be proved by science today. It to mention the endless conflicts that are religiously rooted. People can lead whatever life they want, but a world without religion would be a better place. I think it's fair to say religion is still a way of life for quite a few people in the world.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 29, 2022 19:30:24 GMT
Just another word for superstition really.
Which wouldn't matter, if it wasn't for the money involved and the influence it still exerts.
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Post by teenagefanclub on Nov 29, 2022 21:14:47 GMT
What do you call a book club that has never moved on from their first book?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 29, 2022 21:26:25 GMT
Religion causes 99 percent of the problems in the world and always has. Load of fairy tales that causes nothing but sadness. Fuck it off.
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2022 21:59:26 GMT
Not a fan of organised religion but disorganised religion is fine
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 29, 2022 23:02:55 GMT
It’s clear Britain is becoming more atheist and it should shock no one. It means nothing.
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Post by bigvern on Nov 29, 2022 23:03:17 GMT
Walking into a church and hearing the angelic voices of the quior makes me feel quite melancholy but I just can't get past the fact that its absolute bollocks.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 29, 2022 23:50:18 GMT
As a practicing Christian, I think the news is disappointing in one way, i.e. less professing Christians, but on the other hand at least people are being more honest about what they believe or don't believe.
I think the point about religions causing conflict is true but just as there is conflict between religions, there is suppression of religion, as is occurring in China. The conflict in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Ukraine today could hardly be described as due to religion.
The Bible says in Exodus 20:4-5, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them."
This leads me to put it to you that there are different "types" of religion as well as the normal accepted creeds. In ancient times people worshipped the sun, the "Gods", golden calf, etc. Today those idols have been replaced by modern ones. Many people worship money/wealth, power/influence/control, pop idols, celebrities, their collection/hobby, their team! and so on. In other words many people who claim not to be religious actually are; they just have a different God like the ancient peoples.
Today we live in the age of "self" and a major "religion" of modern western society is to worship oneself; people are told from a young age to "get a life" and "the selfie" is just that. Fortunately that does not apply to the majority who are very generous, caring, and giving as evidenced by the recent pandemic. My wife and I were looked after by neighbours who were strangers we did not previously know.
God bless.
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Post by flea79 on Nov 30, 2022 0:15:42 GMT
As a practicing Christian, I think the news is disappointing in one way, i.e. less professing Christians, but on the other hand at least people are being more honest about what they believe or don't believe. I think the point about religions causing conflict is true but just as there is conflict between religions, there is suppression of religion, as is occurring in China. The conflict in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Ukraine today could hardly be described as due to religion. The Bible says in Exodus 20:4-5, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them." This leads me to put it to you that there are different "types" of religion as well as the normal accepted creeds. In ancient times people worshipped the sun, the "Gods", golden calf, etc. Today those idols have been replaced by modern ones. Many people worship money/wealth, power/influence/control, pop idols, celebrities, their collection/hobby, their team! and so on. In other words many people who claim not to be religious actually are; they just have a different God like the ancient peoples. Today we live in the age of "self" and a major "religion" of modern western society is to worship oneself; people are told from a young age to "get a life" and "the selfie" is just that. Fortunately that does not apply to the majority who are very generous, caring, and giving as evidenced by the recent pandemic. My wife and I were looked after by neighbours who were strangers we did not previously know. God bless. Correct re ww1 and 2 but both sides claimed the backing off god in ww1 and Germans had belt buckles with religious text paining themselves to be of god, or something like that And Hitler was obsessed with harnessing the power of god/gods, not too mention his distaste for the Jewish folk and the horrors he inflicted upon them
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 30, 2022 0:23:04 GMT
I'm not particularly religious at all but I feel a bit sad about this.
Always an inevitability I suppose 😒
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 30, 2022 1:14:44 GMT
As a practicing Christian, I think the news is disappointing in one way, i.e. less professing Christians, but on the other hand at least people are being more honest about what they believe or don't believe. I think the point about religions causing conflict is true but just as there is conflict between religions, there is suppression of religion, as is occurring in China. The conflict in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Ukraine today could hardly be described as due to religion. The Bible says in Exodus 20:4-5, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them." This leads me to put it to you that there are different "types" of religion as well as the normal accepted creeds. In ancient times people worshipped the sun, the "Gods", golden calf, etc. Today those idols have been replaced by modern ones. Many people worship money/wealth, power/influence/control, pop idols, celebrities, their collection/hobby, their team! and so on. In other words many people who claim not to be religious actually are; they just have a different God like the ancient peoples. Today we live in the age of "self" and a major "religion" of modern western society is to worship oneself; people are told from a young age to "get a life" and "the selfie" is just that. Fortunately that does not apply to the majority who are very generous, caring, and giving as evidenced by the recent pandemic. My wife and I were looked after by neighbours who were strangers we did not previously know. God bless. Correct re ww1 and 2 but both sides claimed the backing off god in ww1 and Germans had belt buckles with religious text paining themselves to be of god, or something like that And Hitler was obsessed with harnessing the power of god/gods, not too mention his distaste for the Jewish folk and the horrors he inflicted upon them Wasnt that raiders of the lost ark?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 1:17:04 GMT
A lot of 'Christians' these days have probably developed an 'atheist' stance in more recent times. A good proportion of people I know couldn't care less for religion. Born C of E, but otherwise, no real sense of feeling that way. Whereas, I'd always imagined Muslims, for example, to be more fervent followers of their own religion. In summary, a lot of Christians have fallen out of love with the idea of religion. That'll skew these numbers, somewhat. It’s much more taboo for Muslims to abandon faith. If you do some googling you’ll find forums full of poor young adults who were ostracised and outcast by their families for leaving Islam, even in western countries. Then there will be many who observe the faith whilst secretly having mentally “checked out”. And many families that are already similar to most “Christian” families in that they observe the religion more for cultural reasons rather than deep spiritual connection. I’ve always theorised that, in many ways, the path Islam is on in the west is similar to the path Christianity has gone over the last several generations. And potentially might go through an accelerated version. As Christianity has really waned in the last human lifetime (80 years or so) and society has become far less conservative. But we’ve potentially thrown the baby out with the bath water in many respects. Maybe the pendulum between liberalism/conservatism will swing back again (as it tends to) in wider society and there might be a meeting in the middle at some point. Hard to say I suppose but I’d say that’s likely. Obviously I haven’t touched on the radical Islamist faction of Islam here. I can’t speak for what will happen with those fuckers. But generally I’d say there’s likely a good proportion of the “Muslim” demographic who are Muslims in name only.
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Post by musik on Nov 30, 2022 2:18:07 GMT
I'm extremely religious. A more religious person than me doesn't exist. I use to say: everyone is religious; some aren't just aware of it yet.
If you don't believe in God, do you believe in yourself?
The number one problem with atheists is they think religions cause problem. They are not and never will. The people who can't handle the religions are the problem.
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Post by wapiti on Nov 30, 2022 4:57:43 GMT
The conflict in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Ukraine today could hardly be described as due to religion. Vietnam was directly caused by religion, colonialism and Yank neo-colonialism. Vietnam was one country, mostly Buddhist but with a large Catholic population due to French colonialism. The country was divided into two parts in 1954 with the Catholics in the north mostly moving south. The country was supposed to have elections in 1956, to choose a leader (Ho Chi Minh would have won) and to re-unify the country. South Vietnam did not allow that election to take place......the US wasted any good will that it retained, it entangled it's confused concepts of religion and communism and a few million died as a consequence.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2022 7:16:09 GMT
The conflict in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Ukraine today could hardly be described as due to religion. Vietnam was directly caused by religion, colonialism and Yank neo-colonialism. Vietnam was one country, mostly Buddhist but with a large Catholic population due to French colonialism. The country was divided into two parts in 1954 with the Catholics in the north mostly moving south. The country was supposed to have elections in 1956, to choose a leader (Ho Chi Minh would have won) and to re-unify the country. South Vietnam did not allow that election to take place......the US wasted any good will that it retained, it entangled it's confused concepts of religion and communism and a few million died as a consequence. My apologies if I got that wrong. I thought the war in Vietnam was about political ideology, communism v capitalism.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 30, 2022 7:26:12 GMT
As a practicing Christian, I think the news is disappointing in one way, i.e. less professing Christians, but on the other hand at least people are being more honest about what they believe or don't believe. I think the point about religions causing conflict is true but just as there is conflict between religions, there is suppression of religion, as is occurring in China. The conflict in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Ukraine today could hardly be described as due to religion. The Bible says in Exodus 20:4-5, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them." This leads me to put it to you that there are different "types" of religion as well as the normal accepted creeds. In ancient times people worshipped the sun, the "Gods", golden calf, etc. Today those idols have been replaced by modern ones. Many people worship money/wealth, power/influence/control, pop idols, celebrities, their collection/hobby, their team! and so on. In other words many people who claim not to be religious actually are; they just have a different God like the ancient peoples. Today we live in the age of "self" and a major "religion" of modern western society is to worship oneself; people are told from a young age to "get a life" and "the selfie" is just that. Fortunately that does not apply to the majority who are very generous, caring, and giving as evidenced by the recent pandemic. My wife and I were looked after by neighbours who were strangers we did not previously know. God bless. The Bible, and indeed most sacred religious texts, say lots of things, most of it contradictory in nature, written several millennia ago and most of it completely ignored by its adherents. Or at least "interpreted" so it doesn't get in the way of modern life. Unless you're a monk, nun or other religious ascetic genuinely following the words of the sacred texts, most religious followers pick and choose the bits they like and ignore the bits they don't in an obviously hypocritical way. I'm not sure the claim that many people are religious holds up simply because they have an interest in other things primarily, which you've decided is worthy of the term religious. People coming together to socialise and discuss shared interests isn't religion, it's fulfilling humans' evolutionary need to be social. Which is essentially where religion came from in the first place, whether that's gathering to worship the sun, animals, the natural world, gods, God, Allah, Jehovah or whatever.
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 30, 2022 8:29:48 GMT
Just think about the following:
"Crazy - but thats how it goes, millions of people living as foes Maybe its not too late, To learn how to love and forget how to hate"
Ozzy Osbourne said that
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Post by flea79 on Nov 30, 2022 9:02:53 GMT
Correct re ww1 and 2 but both sides claimed the backing off god in ww1 and Germans had belt buckles with religious text paining themselves to be of god, or something like that And Hitler was obsessed with harnessing the power of god/gods, not too mention his distaste for the Jewish folk and the horrors he inflicted upon them Wasnt that raiders of the lost ark? it wasnt far off the truth but Hitler did believe he could find some of these ancient things that would at the very least strengthen nationalism and increase his grip on the Germans apparently finding the holy grail was a major quest of his
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Post by Veritas on Nov 30, 2022 9:46:57 GMT
Religion causes 99 percent of the problems in the world and always has. Load of fairy tales that causes nothing but sadness. Fuck it off. Yes those leaders of religion Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Oh hang on they were all political or racist ideologues.
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