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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 9, 2022 13:12:22 GMT
Now legal in Maryland after yesterdays election.
Possession of 1.5 ounces now allowed for recreational purpose starting next year.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 9, 2022 13:46:47 GMT
Now legal in Maryland after yesterdays election. Possession of 1.5 ounces now allowed for recreational purpose starting next year. Weren't there 5 states voting on it or were the others voting on something else?
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 9, 2022 14:38:47 GMT
Now legal in Maryland after yesterdays election. Possession of 1.5 ounces now allowed for recreational purpose starting next year. Weren't there 5 states voting on it or were the others voting on something else? Not too sure with regards to other States. Just hoping I can get to claim my tax back in future. They have no excuse now.
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Post by gawa on Nov 9, 2022 14:52:33 GMT
I give it 1 month and the deaths in car accidents will shoot up. Heroin usage will be through the roof. Stoned people will be out on the streets rioting and fighting and attacking members of the public. Children as young as 12 will be living like El Chapo as they follow a gateway into mexican cartels and drug addiction.
And it will be us the British responsible for this. A country which knows only too well about the serious dangers of cannabis usage and the path of destruction which follows those who taste the devils lettuce. Despite knowing the dangers and the ethics surrounding this dangerous plant, we as a country are still happy to allow the super wealthy, and only those, to mass produce this at huge profits. Blood will be on Theresa May's husbands hands.
Unless of course it's all a farce and in reality it's not dangerous at all..
Enjoy Mr Maryland.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 9, 2022 22:08:23 GMT
Now legal in Maryland after yesterdays election. Possession of 1.5 ounces now allowed for recreational purpose starting next year. Weren't there 5 states voting on it or were the others voting on something else? Currently, 19 states, along with the District of Columbia, have fully legalized marijuana. There also are 37 states, including Maryland, that have legalized medical marijuana. Maryland currently has about 150,000 registered cannabis patients.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 10, 2022 0:03:27 GMT
Weren't there 5 states voting on it or were the others voting on something else? Currently, 19 states, along with the District of Columbia, have fully legalized marijuana. There also are 37 states, including Maryland, that have legalized medical marijuana. Maryland currently has about 150,000 registered cannabis patients. The UK has about 20,000 registered cannabis patients. In 2018 when cannabis was legalised medically there were 3 prescriptions on the NHS, all epileptic kids, today 4 years later there are 4 prescriptions for epileptic kids on the NHS, it's an absolute scandal. I met a parent the other night paying £17,000 a year for their son's treatment, it's only that expensive because of prohibition, no other reason, ridiculous.
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Post by stokefc on Nov 10, 2022 9:51:48 GMT
It would be just my luck after 30 years of smoking it then packing in they would legalise it
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 10, 2022 10:36:21 GMT
It would be just my luck after 30 years of smoking it then packing in they would legalise it Funnily enough never touched the stuff all my life, and, with the business I was in there was certainly a lot of it about. My prescription was for pain management and to replace the hell of the opioids that had were being thrown around over here. I also have terrible trouble eating so it does help with that on occasions.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 10, 2022 10:49:51 GMT
It would be just my luck after 30 years of smoking it then packing in they would legalise it Funnily enough never touched the stuff all my life, and, with the business I was in there was certainly a lot of it about. My prescription was for pain management and to replace the hell of the opioids that had were being thrown around over here. I also have terrible trouble eating so it does help with that on occasions. From what I've seen in Thailand, where they legalised for recreational use in June, it makes little if any difference to life in general except more people recognise "reefer madness" for the absolute load of bollocks it actually is. Has recent cannabis legislation in other states changed your view or that of your friends and neighbours at all?
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 10, 2022 16:12:15 GMT
Funnily enough never touched the stuff all my life, and, with the business I was in there was certainly a lot of it about. My prescription was for pain management and to replace the hell of the opioids that had were being thrown around over here. I also have terrible trouble eating so it does help with that on occasions. From what I've seen in Thailand, where they legalised for recreational use in June, it makes little if any difference to life in general except more people recognise "reefer madness" for the absolute load of bollocks it actually is. Has recent cannabis legislation in other states changed your view or that of your friends and neighbours at all? There is a lot of disinformation that has been disseminated over the years. My fave is the man boobs one which someone, somewhere dreamed up to stop teen boys smoking it. I think most people had come the conclusion this is a plant that grows in the sun and soil. I have heard many knowledgeable people say if booze was invented now it would be illegal (that’s when I become a monk) One interesting point. Because of my card I may not,now,own a gun. Also, gambling was legalised in the state in the same election.
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Nov 10, 2022 16:18:56 GMT
From what I've seen in Thailand, where they legalised for recreational use in June, it makes little if any difference to life in general except more people recognise "reefer madness" for the absolute load of bollocks it actually is. Has recent cannabis legislation in other states changed your view or that of your friends and neighbours at all? There is a lot of disinformation that has been disseminated over the years. My fave is the man boobs one which someone, somewhere dreamed up to stop teen boys smoking it. I think most people had come the conclusion this is a plant that grows in the sun and soil. I have heard many knowledgeable people say if booze was invented now it would be illegal (that’s when I become a monk) One interesting point. Because of my card I may not,now,own a gun. Also, gambling was legalised in the state in the same election. We get sports gambling in Ohio come January 1st!
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Post by elystokie on Nov 10, 2022 17:25:34 GMT
From what I've seen in Thailand, where they legalised for recreational use in June, it makes little if any difference to life in general except more people recognise "reefer madness" for the absolute load of bollocks it actually is. Has recent cannabis legislation in other states changed your view or that of your friends and neighbours at all? There is a lot of disinformation that has been disseminated over the years. My fave is the man boobs one which someone, somewhere dreamed up to stop teen boys smoking it. I think most people had come the conclusion this is a plant that grows in the sun and soil. I have heard many knowledgeable people say if booze was invented now it would be illegal (that’s when I become a monk) One interesting point. Because of my card I may not,now,own a gun. Also, gambling was legalised in the state in the same election. Booze is many times more harmful. The misinformation we've been fed and the mis-education we've been subjected to has been and is very dangerous.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 10, 2022 17:40:16 GMT
There is a lot of disinformation that has been disseminated over the years. My fave is the man boobs one which someone, somewhere dreamed up to stop teen boys smoking it. I think most people had come the conclusion this is a plant that grows in the sun and soil. I have heard many knowledgeable people say if booze was invented now it would be illegal (that’s when I become a monk) One interesting point. Because of my card I may not,now,own a gun. Also, gambling was legalised in the state in the same election. We get sports gambling in Ohio come January 1st! Then electricity?
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Post by metalhead on Nov 10, 2022 19:44:54 GMT
I give it 1 month and the deaths in car accidents will shoot up. Heroin usage will be through the roof. Stoned people will be out on the streets rioting and fighting and attacking members of the public. Children as young as 12 will be living like El Chapo as they follow a gateway into mexican cartels and drug addiction. And it will be us the British responsible for this. A country which knows only too well about the serious dangers of cannabis usage and the path of destruction which follows those who taste the devils lettuce. Despite knowing the dangers and the ethics surrounding this dangerous plant, we as a country are still happy to allow the super wealthy, and only those, to mass produce this at huge profits. Blood will be on Theresa May's husbands hands. Unless of course it's all a farce and in reality it's not dangerous at all.. Enjoy Mr Maryland. I was about to reply "what a load of bollocks". Nice save.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 10, 2022 19:45:30 GMT
There is a lot of disinformation that has been disseminated over the years. My fave is the man boobs one which someone, somewhere dreamed up to stop teen boys smoking it. I think most people had come the conclusion this is a plant that grows in the sun and soil. I have heard many knowledgeable people say if booze was invented now it would be illegal (that’s when I become a monk) One interesting point. Because of my card I may not,now,own a gun. Also, gambling was legalised in the state in the same election. We get sports gambling in Ohio come January 1st! Pretty sure bet365 are already live in Ohio.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 10, 2022 20:38:42 GMT
There is a lot of disinformation that has been disseminated over the years. My fave is the man boobs one which someone, somewhere dreamed up to stop teen boys smoking it. I think most people had come the conclusion this is a plant that grows in the sun and soil. I have heard many knowledgeable people say if booze was invented now it would be illegal (that’s when I become a monk) One interesting point. Because of my card I may not,now,own a gun. Also, gambling was legalised in the state in the same election. We get sports gambling in Ohio come January 1st! Hi in the middle and round at both ends.
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Post by wapiti on Nov 12, 2022 1:31:42 GMT
Washington State was one of the first two US states to legalize recreational reefers......the pot shops are similar to a Starbucks.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2022 12:51:53 GMT
A bit of a hunt around regarding legalisation around the world reveals the following countries have, or plan to have in the near future, decriminilised or fully legal recreational cannabis.
Uruguay, Canada, Mexico, Malta, Luxembourg, Portugal, Spain, Germany, Czech Republic, Thailand, Netherlands, Costa Rica, Edcuador and now around half the states in the US.
There's probably more, in Argentina the authorities apparently give their medical marijuana patients their medicine for free, haven't looked what the qualifying criteria is or are tho.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 12, 2022 13:16:01 GMT
I give it 1 month and the deaths in car accidents will shoot up. Heroin usage will be through the roof. Stoned people will be out on the streets rioting and fighting and attacking members of the public. Children as young as 12 will be living like El Chapo as they follow a gateway into mexican cartels and drug addiction. And it will be us the British responsible for this. A country which knows only too well about the serious dangers of cannabis usage and the path of destruction which follows those who taste the devils lettuce. Despite knowing the dangers and the ethics surrounding this dangerous plant, we as a country are still happy to allow the super wealthy, and only those, to mass produce this at huge profits. Blood will be on Theresa May's husbands hands. Unless of course it's all a farce and in reality it's not dangerous at all.. Enjoy Mr Maryland. It's a much more intricate debate than that. I used to smoke the stuff religiously for a number of years and saw first hand the (short term and long term) issues that regular use of cannabis can cause. It can in many instances act as a gateway to wider substance abuse - I saw more friends who were stoners go down the wrong path than those who abuse coke. No idea why that is but I guess it's something to do with the highs and emotions you get from weed over the buz you get from coke - The latter of which should absolutely remain illegal for a whole range of reasons. It's worth noting as well that there is always a huge difference in risk (as with other drugs like coke) between those who do it socially to those who do it frequently. By legalising it you essentially increase that risk. I'm not really sure where I stand on legalising weed (ironic because I used to be such a huge supporter of legalising it). But either way it's not as black and white as you make out and never underestimate the damage that frequent use of cannabis can cause - Both in itself or indirectly as a result of future substance abuse that it can lead to.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 12, 2022 13:43:57 GMT
I give it 1 month and the deaths in car accidents will shoot up. Heroin usage will be through the roof. Stoned people will be out on the streets rioting and fighting and attacking members of the public. Children as young as 12 will be living like El Chapo as they follow a gateway into mexican cartels and drug addiction. And it will be us the British responsible for this. A country which knows only too well about the serious dangers of cannabis usage and the path of destruction which follows those who taste the devils lettuce. Despite knowing the dangers and the ethics surrounding this dangerous plant, we as a country are still happy to allow the super wealthy, and only those, to mass produce this at huge profits. Blood will be on Theresa May's husbands hands. Unless of course it's all a farce and in reality it's not dangerous at all.. Enjoy Mr Maryland. It's a much more intricate debate than that. I used to smoke the stuff religiously for a number of years and saw first hand the (short term and long term) issues that regular use of cannabis can cause. It can in many instances act as a gateway to wider substance abuse - I saw more friends who were stoners go down the wrong path than those who abuse coke. No idea why that is but I guess it's something to do with the highs and emotions you get from weed over the buz you get from coke - The latter of which should absolutely remain illegal for a whole range of reasons. It's worth noting as well that there is always a huge difference in risk (as with other drugs like coke) between those who do it socially to those who do it frequently. By legalising it you essentially increase that risk. I'm not really sure where I stand on legalising weed (ironic because I used to be such a huge supporter of legalising it). But either way it's not as black and white as you make out and never underestimate the damage that frequent use of cannabis can cause - Both in itself or indirectly as a result of future substance abuse that it can lead to. In relation to legalising cannabis I think the best people to speak to would be users who started using as teenagers and are now in the 40s-50s not teenagers / young people who’ve just started using. We had a long debate on this in the London thread. As someone against legalisation I’d like to know if drugs are legalised. - What drugs would remain illegal. - What age could you illegally buy them. - If they’re only sold legally what would stop teens going on to the black market? - How could you gauge if someone’s taking to much and will have a long term issue. - Would you limit how much someone uses. - If you have an addict what happens if they can’t afford any more.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2022 14:32:01 GMT
It's a much more intricate debate than that. I used to smoke the stuff religiously for a number of years and saw first hand the (short term and long term) issues that regular use of cannabis can cause. It can in many instances act as a gateway to wider substance abuse - I saw more friends who were stoners go down the wrong path than those who abuse coke. No idea why that is but I guess it's something to do with the highs and emotions you get from weed over the buz you get from coke - The latter of which should absolutely remain illegal for a whole range of reasons. It's worth noting as well that there is always a huge difference in risk (as with other drugs like coke) between those who do it socially to those who do it frequently. By legalising it you essentially increase that risk. I'm not really sure where I stand on legalising weed (ironic because I used to be such a huge supporter of legalising it). But either way it's not as black and white as you make out and never underestimate the damage that frequent use of cannabis can cause - Both in itself or indirectly as a result of future substance abuse that it can lead to. In relation to legalising cannabis I think the best people to speak to would be users who started using as teenagers and are now in the 40s-50s not teenagers / young people who’ve just started using. We had a long debate on this in the London thread. As someone against legalisation I’d like to know if drugs are legalised. - What drugs would remain illegal. - What age could you illegally buy them. - If they’re only sold legally what would stop teens going on to the black market? - How could you gauge if someone’s taking to much and will have a long term issue. - Would you limit how much someone uses. - If you have an addict what happens if they can’t afford any more. Treat them the same as alcohol, a far more dangerous drug, and if some use other, safer drugs then that's surely a step in the right direction, we've been through all this. But, out of interest, what currently stops teens going to the black market? Do dealers around your way refuse to sell to teens?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 12, 2022 14:44:13 GMT
In relation to legalising cannabis I think the best people to speak to would be users who started using as teenagers and are now in the 40s-50s not teenagers / young people who’ve just started using. We had a long debate on this in the London thread. As someone against legalisation I’d like to know if drugs are legalised. - What drugs would remain illegal. - What age could you illegally buy them. - If they’re only sold legally what would stop teens going on to the black market? - How could you gauge if someone’s taking to much and will have a long term issue. - Would you limit how much someone uses. - If you have an addict what happens if they can’t afford any more. Treat them the same as alcohol, a far more dangerous drug, and if some use other, safer drugs then that's surely a step in the right direction, we've been through all this. But, out of interest, what currently stops teens going to the black market? Do dealers around your way refuse to sell to teens? and the other questions ? Of course not. So basically the dealers that you say legalising drugs will get rid of will just target the young rather than all people. Most of criminality around the dealers / gangs is based around young people dealing to young people/children isn't it?
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2022 14:58:08 GMT
Treat them the same as alcohol, a far more dangerous drug, and if some use other, safer drugs then that's surely a step in the right direction, we've been through all this. But, out of interest, what currently stops teens going to the black market? Do dealers around your way refuse to sell to teens? and the other questions ? Of course not. So basically the dealers that you say legalising drugs will get rid of will just target the young rather than all people. Most of criminality around the dealers / gangs is based around young people dealing to young people/children isn't it? "And the other questions" Which part of 'the same as alcohol' are you struggling with? Do you see a black market for alcohol in your area? Why would it be any different? Why can I go into my local co-op and buy 10 bottles of strong vodka, bring them home, drink the lot and either kill myself or cost the NHS a fortune in the process? More to the point, why do you suppose that people are going to go out and do this to themselves with other drugs when they don't currently do it with alcohol? It seems you are suffering from prohibition psychosis, I recommend a lifetime away from the Daily Mail as a cure
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 12, 2022 16:02:33 GMT
and the other questions ? Of course not. So basically the dealers that you say legalising drugs will get rid of will just target the young rather than all people. Most of criminality around the dealers / gangs is based around young people dealing to young people/children isn't it? "And the other questions" Which part of 'the same as alcohol' are you struggling with? Do you see a black market for alcohol in your area? Why would it be any different? Why can I go into my local co-op and buy 10 bottles of strong vodka, bring them home, drink the lot and either kill myself or cost the NHS a fortune in the process? More to the point, why do you suppose that people are going to go out and do this to themselves with other drugs when they don't currently do it with alcohol? It seems you are suffering from prohibition psychosis, I recommend a lifetime away from the Daily Mail as a cure Sorry I thought the thread was on cannabis not alcohol. You're good at criticising my opinion but have yet to answer all bar one of my questions. 7 Convince me. Answer these without mentioning alcohol. What drugs would remain illegal. What age could you illegally buy them. If they’re only sold legally what would stop teens going on to the black market? How could you gauge if someone’s taking to much and will have a long term issue. Would you limit how much someone uses. If you have an addict what happens if they can’t afford any more.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 12, 2022 16:08:08 GMT
On that first half performance I think I’ll smoke a pinner. (My prescription is for pain after all)
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2022 16:50:28 GMT
"And the other questions" Which part of 'the same as alcohol' are you struggling with? Do you see a black market for alcohol in your area? Why would it be any different? Why can I go into my local co-op and buy 10 bottles of strong vodka, bring them home, drink the lot and either kill myself or cost the NHS a fortune in the process? More to the point, why do you suppose that people are going to go out and do this to themselves with other drugs when they don't currently do it with alcohol? It seems you are suffering from prohibition psychosis, I recommend a lifetime away from the Daily Mail as a cure Sorry I thought the thread was on cannabis not alcohol. You're good at criticising my opinion but have yet to answer all bar one of my questions. 7 Convince me. Answer these without mentioning alcohol. What drugs would remain illegal. What age could you illegally buy them. If they’re only sold legally what would stop teens going on to the black market? How could you gauge if someone’s taking to much and will have a long term issue. Would you limit how much someone uses. If you have an addict what happens if they can’t afford any more. We've been through all this before and as much as I enjoyed getting messages congratulating me on my patience first time around it's wearing much thinner this time around. Personally no drugs would remain illegal, it's a system that has been proven to just make things worse, I can understand the reluctance of some to accept that in the case of heroin etc. and it may take more work legislation wise than other drugs but on the overwhelming evidence from countries that have legalised so far, 10 years ago in the case of Uruguay, legalising cannabis is just common sense, that's why no country or state that has repealed cannabis prohibition has reverted their decision. 21 seems a good enough age to legally buy them, if you're old enough to do adult things like fight wars and bring up kids you should have autonomy over what choice of intoxicant you prefer and safer choices than alcohol should be legally available to you. We've done the teen thing, if you think that the black market that teens currently buy from would remain as bouyant as it would be were a legal, tested, reasonably priced alternative to be available you're flying in the face of the experience of every country that has legalised. In gauging whether someone will have a future problem or are taking too much, what do we currently do with the many, many people that have an alcohol problem? We don't lock them up just for drinking do we? If they're a problem to society they're dealt with by the law, they're not dealt with by the law for something they 'might' do before they've done it like they are with prohibited drugs. How would we limit how much someone uses? How do we do it with alcohol? Yup, as I've said above, I can go right now and buy as much as I want and get it down my neck as soon as I can physically manage. I don't because I'm not stupid and I know from a combination of education and experience that it would be a very bad idea health wise, why do you suppose that with other drugs, given the same education and, crucially, the same level of quality control and knowledge of purity levels as alcohol, people would go out and buy something they know is going to harm them? Have you that little faith in your fellow humans? As for addicts that can't afford it, the price of illegal drugs is artificially high due, obviously, to the risks involved. What do we currently do when there's alcoholics that can't afford their booze? If they turn to crime to fund their addiction they're dealt with by the law accordingly. If they want help with their problem because they feel it's negatively impacting their lives to a point they're not happy with then hopefully they get it, why should it be different with other drugs? Now, your turn, how about you give me some examples in Western society where prohibition has been a roaring success? Edit - half watching the match (unfortunately) so missed the mentioning of alcohol embargo, since they're comparable drugs (apart from alcohol being far more dangerous) that's just ridiculous.
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Post by Orbs on Nov 12, 2022 16:51:43 GMT
It would be just my luck after 30 years of smoking it then packing in they would legalise it Funnily enough never touched the stuff all my life, and, with the business I was in there was certainly a lot of it about. My prescription was for pain management and to replace the hell of the opioids that had were being thrown around over here. I also have terrible trouble eating so it does help with that on occasions. Terrible trouble eating? Appetite?
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 12, 2022 17:02:00 GMT
Funnily enough never touched the stuff all my life, and, with the business I was in there was certainly a lot of it about. My prescription was for pain management and to replace the hell of the opioids that had were being thrown around over here. I also have terrible trouble eating so it does help with that on occasions. Terrible trouble eating? Appetite? Yes
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 12, 2022 17:05:45 GMT
Sorry I thought the thread was on cannabis not alcohol. You're good at criticising my opinion but have yet to answer all bar one of my questions. 7 Convince me. Answer these without mentioning alcohol. What drugs would remain illegal. What age could you illegally buy them. If they’re only sold legally what would stop teens going on to the black market? How could you gauge if someone’s taking to much and will have a long term issue. Would you limit how much someone uses. If you have an addict what happens if they can’t afford any more. We've been through all this before and as much as I enjoyed getting messages congratulating me on my patience first time around it's wearing much thinner this time around. Personally no drugs would remain illegal, it's a system that has been proven to just make things worse, I can understand the reluctance of some to accept that in the case of heroin etc. and it may take more work legislation wise than other drugs but on the overwhelming evidence from countries that have legalised so far, 10 years ago in the case of Uruguay, legalising cannabis is just common sense, that's why no country or state that has repealed cannabis prohibition has reverted their decision. 21 seems a good enough age to legally buy them, if you're old enough to do adult things like fight wars and bring up kids you should have autonomy over what choice of intoxicant you prefer and safer choices than alcohol should be legally available to you. We've done the teen thing, if you think that the black market that teens currently buy from would remain as bouyant as it would be were a legal, tested, reasonably priced alternative to be available you're flying in the face of the experience of every country that has legalised. In gauging whether someone will have a future problem or are taking too much, what do we currently do with the many, many people that have an alcohol problem? We don't lock them up just for drinking do we? If they're a problem to society they're dealt with by the law, they're not dealt with by the law for something they 'might' do before they've done it like they are with prohibited drugs. How would we limit how much someone uses? How do we do it with alcohol? Yup, as I've said above, I can go right now and buy as much as I want and get it down my neck as soon as I can physically manage. I don't because I'm not stupid and I know from a combination of education and experience that it would be a very bad idea health wise, why do you suppose that with other drugs, given the same education and, crucially, the same level of quality control and knowledge of purity levels as alcohol, people would go out and buy something they know is going to harm them? Have you that little faith in your fellow humans? As for addicts that can't afford it, the price of illegal drugs is artificially high due, obviously, to the risks involved. What do we currently do when there's alcoholics that can't afford their booze? If they turn to crime to fund their addiction they're dealt with by the law accordingly. If they want help with their problem because they feel it's negatively impacting their lives to a point they're not happy with then hopefully they get it, why should it be different with other drugs? Now, your turn, how about you give me some examples in Western society where prohibition has been a roaring success? Edit - half watching the match (unfortunately) so missed the mentioning of alcohol embargo, since they're comparable drugs (apart from alcohol being far more dangerous) that's just ridiculous. Small world I got a fair few messages too saying how patient I’d been too and why there was no point trying to reason. Anyway as you say there’s no point in carrying on the argument as neither of us will be changing our opinion any time soon. You keep smoking I won’t jobs a good un.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 12, 2022 17:16:19 GMT
We've been through all this before and as much as I enjoyed getting messages congratulating me on my patience first time around it's wearing much thinner this time around. Personally no drugs would remain illegal, it's a system that has been proven to just make things worse, I can understand the reluctance of some to accept that in the case of heroin etc. and it may take more work legislation wise than other drugs but on the overwhelming evidence from countries that have legalised so far, 10 years ago in the case of Uruguay, legalising cannabis is just common sense, that's why no country or state that has repealed cannabis prohibition has reverted their decision. 21 seems a good enough age to legally buy them, if you're old enough to do adult things like fight wars and bring up kids you should have autonomy over what choice of intoxicant you prefer and safer choices than alcohol should be legally available to you. We've done the teen thing, if you think that the black market that teens currently buy from would remain as bouyant as it would be were a legal, tested, reasonably priced alternative to be available you're flying in the face of the experience of every country that has legalised. In gauging whether someone will have a future problem or are taking too much, what do we currently do with the many, many people that have an alcohol problem? We don't lock them up just for drinking do we? If they're a problem to society they're dealt with by the law, they're not dealt with by the law for something they 'might' do before they've done it like they are with prohibited drugs. How would we limit how much someone uses? How do we do it with alcohol? Yup, as I've said above, I can go right now and buy as much as I want and get it down my neck as soon as I can physically manage. I don't because I'm not stupid and I know from a combination of education and experience that it would be a very bad idea health wise, why do you suppose that with other drugs, given the same education and, crucially, the same level of quality control and knowledge of purity levels as alcohol, people would go out and buy something they know is going to harm them? Have you that little faith in your fellow humans? As for addicts that can't afford it, the price of illegal drugs is artificially high due, obviously, to the risks involved. What do we currently do when there's alcoholics that can't afford their booze? If they turn to crime to fund their addiction they're dealt with by the law accordingly. If they want help with their problem because they feel it's negatively impacting their lives to a point they're not happy with then hopefully they get it, why should it be different with other drugs? Now, your turn, how about you give me some examples in Western society where prohibition has been a roaring success? Edit - half watching the match (unfortunately) so missed the mentioning of alcohol embargo, since they're comparable drugs (apart from alcohol being far more dangerous) that's just ridiculous. Small world I got a fair few messages too saying how patient I’d been too and why there was no point trying to reason. Anyway as you say there’s no point in carrying on the argument as neither of us will be changing our opinion any time soon. You keep smoking I won’t jobs a good un. Hold on, I've just answered all your questions for about the 3rd time and I've asked just one of you, how about an answer?
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