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Post by davethebass on Nov 18, 2022 12:38:14 GMT
This is an excellent and informative documentary for anyone interested. Bear in mind its ftom 9 years ago, so some things have changed namely where its been legalised up to now, but its still mostly relevant. That's an excellent video. The lady on around 21:50 is funny Had this ridiculous law not been passed in the US many acres of jungle and forest could still be standing, we wouldn't have needed to dig up all the metal we have, instead of exclusively using processes that pollute that atmosphere we could have used a plant that does the opposite. Millions of life years in jail, millions of lives ruined and in some cases lost, millions of people suffering whilst being denied a relatively safe medicine, a massively negative environmental impact, all for seemingly no good reason. The Emperor wears no clothes and never did. Well said Ely!! Yes the price the world has paid is very high. And yes for seemingly no good reason...its at best foolish and misguided, at worst sinister. ...now to go and check out who this lady is at around 21:50
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2022 13:48:43 GMT
That's an excellent video. The lady on around 21:50 is funny Had this ridiculous law not been passed in the US many acres of jungle and forest could still be standing, we wouldn't have needed to dig up all the metal we have, instead of exclusively using processes that pollute that atmosphere we could have used a plant that does the opposite. Millions of life years in jail, millions of lives ruined and in some cases lost, millions of people suffering whilst being denied a relatively safe medicine, a massively negative environmental impact, all for seemingly no good reason. The Emperor wears no clothes and never did. Well said Ely!! Yes the price the world has paid is very high. And yes for seemingly no good reason...its at best foolish and misguided, at worst sinister. ...now to go and check out who this lady is at around 21:50 Cheers Dave, the hypocrisy, greed, racism, mis-education and corruption surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, a good percentage of the planet is now realising this and acting accordingly. There's definitely a sinister side to it, the pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol brewing companies stand to lose out significantly to a safer alternative and they're not shy of using their massive funding capabilities to maintain the status quo.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 18, 2022 14:18:45 GMT
How sad!
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Post by davethebass on Nov 18, 2022 15:04:39 GMT
Well said Ely!! Yes the price the world has paid is very high. And yes for seemingly no good reason...its at best foolish and misguided, at worst sinister. ...now to go and check out who this lady is at around 21:50 Cheers Dave, the hypocrisy, greed, racism, mis-education and corruption surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, a good percentage of the planet is now realising this and acting accordingly. There's definitely a sinister side to it, the pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol brewing companies stand to lose out significantly to a safer alternative and they're not shy of using their massive funding capabilities to maintain the status quo. You're welcome, and agree with everything you say there. And we can add logging, cotton, and petroleum industries to that list too. Yes it has to stop, and you're right, there is some momemtum gathering to do that. Another benefit with growing hemp for textiles and paper, building materials, and fuel etc, is the carbon sequestering, so it would help with meeting carbon zero targets too as well as everything else. Edit: the lady at 21:50... you mean the one who pretends to not be able to remember the word "memory"? That really tickled me that did, brilliant dry humour
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2022 15:35:45 GMT
Cheers Dave, the hypocrisy, greed, racism, mis-education and corruption surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, a good percentage of the planet is now realising this and acting accordingly. There's definitely a sinister side to it, the pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol brewing companies stand to lose out significantly to a safer alternative and they're not shy of using their massive funding capabilities to maintain the status quo. You're welcome, and agree with everything you say there. And we can add logging, cotton, and petroleum industries to that list too. Yes it has to stop, and you're right, there is some momemtum gathering to do that. Another benefit with growing hemp for textiles and paper, building materials, and fuel etc, is the carbon sequestering, so it would help with meeting carbon zero targets too as well as everything else. Edit: the lady at 21:50... you mean the one who pretends to not be able to remember the word "memory"? That really tickled me that did, brilliant dry humour Yeh that's the one It would help massively with targets, you're right, we can lock lots of CO2 into things we use daily, cannabis has 25,000 uses apparently, vast majority of which will lock away CO2 for years. And we could leave the trees alone to do their job.
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Post by davethebass on Nov 18, 2022 16:35:09 GMT
You're welcome, and agree with everything you say there. And we can add logging, cotton, and petroleum industries to that list too. Yes it has to stop, and you're right, there is some momemtum gathering to do that. Another benefit with growing hemp for textiles and paper, building materials, and fuel etc, is the carbon sequestering, so it would help with meeting carbon zero targets too as well as everything else. Edit: the lady at 21:50... you mean the one who pretends to not be able to remember the word "memory"? That really tickled me that did, brilliant dry humour Yeh that's the one It would help massively with targets, you're right, we can lock lots of CO2 into things we use daily, cannabis has 25,000 uses apparently, vast majority of which will lock away CO2 for years. And we could leave the trees alone to do their job. *short term memory* even. To be precise haha Yeah would help massively, and it would be an ongoing thing, so locking CO2 away for years would be locking it away indefinitely in a way. And wow as many as 25,000 uses... thinking about it that doesn't surprise me... it can replace petroleum in the plastics industry for one thing, so that's thousands right there. And saves trees. It really is a no brainer isn't it.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2022 18:18:15 GMT
Yeh that's the one It would help massively with targets, you're right, we can lock lots of CO2 into things we use daily, cannabis has 25,000 uses apparently, vast majority of which will lock away CO2 for years. And we could leave the trees alone to do their job. *short term memory* even. To be precise haha Yeah would help massively, and it would be an ongoing thing, so locking CO2 away for years would be locking it away indefinitely in a way. And wow as many as 25,000 uses... thinking about it that doesn't surprise me... it can replace petroleum in the plastics industry for one thing, so that's thousands right there. And saves trees. It really is a no brainer isn't it. You'd have thought it couldn't be more obvious, unfortunately we've been trained to think that it's the devil's lettuce and many people can't be arsed to educate themselves, it's easier to follow the MSM (probably 'sponsored') narrative.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 18, 2022 18:39:52 GMT
Well said Ely!! Yes the price the world has paid is very high. And yes for seemingly no good reason...its at best foolish and misguided, at worst sinister. ...now to go and check out who this lady is at around 21:50 Cheers Dave, the hypocrisy, greed, racism, mis-education and corruption surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, a good percentage of the planet is now realising this and acting accordingly. There's definitely a sinister side to it, the pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol brewing companies stand to lose out significantly to a safer alternative and they're not shy of using their massive funding capabilities to maintain the status quo. I think big tobacco already had its plans in place. Big Pharma will just find the next ‘thing’. A pandemic or something maybe (AIDS, botulism, Asian flu) I think we all recognise that alcohol, if ‘invented’ now, wouldn’t fly for one second.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2022 19:05:37 GMT
Cheers Dave, the hypocrisy, greed, racism, mis-education and corruption surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, a good percentage of the planet is now realising this and acting accordingly. There's definitely a sinister side to it, the pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol brewing companies stand to lose out significantly to a safer alternative and they're not shy of using their massive funding capabilities to maintain the status quo. I think big tobacco already had its plans in place. Big Pharma will just find the next ‘thing’. A pandemic or something maybe (AIDS, botulism, Asian flu) I think we all recognise that alcohol, if ‘invented’ now, wouldn’t fly for one second. I don't know what plans big tobacco had or have in place? Big Pharma may well find the next big thing but that doesn't mean that Cannabis legalisation won't harm them. www.openaccessgovernment.org/cannabis-legalisation-will-cost-big-pharma-billions/142942/As is being evidenced in the legalised states where some people are switching from booze to weed, regardless of what the legality of alcohol would be were it invented now, that switch will hurt their profits, I'd imagine they're bright enough to know that and act accordingly.
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Post by davethebass on Nov 18, 2022 19:24:19 GMT
*short term memory* even. To be precise haha Yeah would help massively, and it would be an ongoing thing, so locking CO2 away for years would be locking it away indefinitely in a way. And wow as many as 25,000 uses... thinking about it that doesn't surprise me... it can replace petroleum in the plastics industry for one thing, so that's thousands right there. And saves trees. It really is a no brainer isn't it. You'd have thought it couldn't be more obvious, unfortunately we've been trained to think that it's the devil's lettuce and many people can't be arsed to educate themselves, it's easier to follow the MSM (probably 'sponsored') narrative. It staggers me how things so obvious can be so unseen. That so many follow the narrative is like collective Stockholm syndrome, and its hard to know what to do about it.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2022 19:31:18 GMT
You'd have thought it couldn't be more obvious, unfortunately we've been trained to think that it's the devil's lettuce and many people can't be arsed to educate themselves, it's easier to follow the MSM (probably 'sponsored') narrative. It staggers me how things so obvious can be so unseen. That so many follow the narrative is like collective Stockholm syndrome, and its hard to know what to do about it. Just like the Emperor's New Clothes isn't it Eventually everyone will realise he's naked, in the meantime it's very frustrating, I agree, can't see much change happening quickly in this country either, Cruella was talking about wanting to make it a class A substance recently.
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Post by davethebass on Nov 18, 2022 20:14:27 GMT
It staggers me how things so obvious can be so unseen. That so many follow the narrative is like collective Stockholm syndrome, and its hard to know what to do about it. Just like the Emperor's New Clothes isn't it Eventually everyone will realise he's naked, in the meantime it's very frustrating, I agree, can't see much change happening quickly in this country either, Cruella was talking about wanting to make it a class A substance recently. Oh yeah meant to pick up on when you said that before, exactly! Everyone will realise, of course, just like in the story, and in the story isn't it a young kid who first points it out? By that token its probably for the younger generation to finally see things for what they are, like Greta Thunberg pointing out all the "blah blah blah". I heard those noises about class A too, its scary, and its like they're kinda panicking. My hope is its the lashing out of a dying dinosuar, and its just a matter of time now.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2022 20:29:37 GMT
Just like the Emperor's New Clothes isn't it Eventually everyone will realise he's naked, in the meantime it's very frustrating, I agree, can't see much change happening quickly in this country either, Cruella was talking about wanting to make it a class A substance recently. Oh yeah meant to pick up on when you said that before, exactly! Everyone will realise, of course, just like in the story, and in the story isn't it a young kid who first points it out? By that token its probably for the younger generation to finally see things for what they are, like Greta Thunberg pointing out all the "blah blah blah". I heard those noises about class A too, its scary, and its like they're kinda panicking. My hope is its the lashing out of a dying dinosuar, and its just a matter of time now. I'd love to claim credit for it but it's the title of a book from years ago, free on the link, revolutionary for it's time, pre-internet obviously. www.jackherer.com/emperor-3/
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Post by davethebass on Nov 18, 2022 20:40:39 GMT
Oh yeah meant to pick up on when you said that before, exactly! Everyone will realise, of course, just like in the story, and in the story isn't it a young kid who first points it out? By that token its probably for the younger generation to finally see things for what they are, like Greta Thunberg pointing out all the "blah blah blah". I heard those noises about class A too, its scary, and its like they're kinda panicking. My hope is its the lashing out of a dying dinosuar, and its just a matter of time now. I'd love to claim credit for it but it's the title of a book from years ago, free on the link, revolutionary for it's time, pre-internet obviously. www.jackherer.com/emperor-3/Well, you can claim credit for reading a good book and sharing it! Nice one I'll deffo have a read of that. I can't claim credit for the dying dinosaur metaphor neither, was a mate said it to me few years ago
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Post by davethebass on Nov 19, 2022 2:37:42 GMT
I'd love to claim credit for it but it's the title of a book from years ago, free on the link, revolutionary for it's time, pre-internet obviously. www.jackherer.com/emperor-3/Well, you can claim credit for reading a good book and sharing it! Nice one I'll deffo have a read of that. I can't claim credit for the dying dinosaur metaphor neither, was a mate said it to me few years ago Just to be clear, to anyone reading this... when I say 'dying dinosaur', by dinosaur I don't mean people, I mean the power structure. Of course there are some who will pass away, naturally of old age, and when they do, if there are less people in the younger generation who are of the same mindset, to replace them to pursue that agenda, then that is the time honoured way that change occurs naturally.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 20, 2022 13:15:51 GMT
Well, you can claim credit for reading a good book and sharing it! Nice one I'll deffo have a read of that. I can't claim credit for the dying dinosaur metaphor neither, was a mate said it to me few years ago Just to be clear, to anyone reading this... when I say 'dying dinosaur', by dinosaur I don't mean people, I mean the power structure. Of course there are some who will pass away, naturally of old age, and when they do, if there are less people in the younger generation who are of the same mindset, to replace them to pursue that agenda, then that is the time honoured way that change occurs naturally. Some interesting accounts on the podcast linked below, some amazing recoveries from devastating illnesses and injuries many of which were considered fatal. cannabishealthradio.com/
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 20, 2022 14:58:04 GMT
A strong smell of weed hangs over many New York neighborhoods, the result in part of cannabis decriminalization in 2019 – but cannabis growers in the state are at an impasse when it comes to getting their crops to market.
Almost 300,000 pounds of the drug, worth as much as $750m, from last summer’s production at 200 state-licensed farms are stockpiled, without a place to be sold and in danger of deteriorating, according to a Bloomberg report on Saturday.
Colorado has racked up $13.2bn in cannabis sales, which has gleaned $2.2bn in taxes and fees for the state. ‘This can be done right’: how Colorado sparked a decade of marijuana reform Read more Distribution issues are to blame. Although the New York City has vape shops selling marijuana and CBD products on almost every street, and there are mobile weed vans on Times Square, New York’s office of cannabis management has yet to approve retail dispensaries.
Not one legal recreational dispensary has opened. Last week, a federal judge handed down an injunction that blocked the state from handing out licenses in Brooklyn and areas of the Hudson Valley region after a lawsuit claimed that the state’s cannabis equity program violates the US constitution.
Under the state’s Conditional Adult-Use Retail Dispensary program, or CAURD, people who are “justice-involved individuals”, or people with prior marijuana-related offenses, or their family members, are prioritized for licenses if they have experience owning and operating a business. Plaintiffs in the lawsuit claim the prioritizations are discriminatory.
State cannabis officials have not indicated how many dispensing licenses will be considered at a control board meeting scheduled for next week. But the number could be 150.
Without dispensaries, New York producers are for the moment stuck with newly harvested mountains of stock. “It’s an unclear path to market,” said Melany Dobson of Hudson Cannabis, a farm two hours north of New York City.
Dobson advised that cannabis left exposed to air, light and warmer temperatures can begin to break down and lose potency. “Old cannabis starts to have a brownish glow,” she said.
If restrictions on New York state dispensaries are lifted, and prices hold up at about $2,500 a pound wholesale, the market could be worth $1.3bn in sales in New York City alone next year, according to a statement in August from the mayor’s office.
“The regulated adult-use cannabis industry is a once-in-a-generation opportunity for our underserved communities that have, for too long, faced disproportionate rates of drug-related incarceration to get in on the industry on the ground floor,” said the mayor, Eric Adams. “This is about creating good jobs, successful small businesses, and finally delivering equity to communities harmed by the war on drugs.”
Cannabis management office spokesperson Aaron Ghitelman said “the goal is to open dispensaries by the end of this year” and it was “still gunning to get the first sales on board” by 2023.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 11, 2022 9:47:14 GMT
Seems getting people off opioids isn't the only widespread benefit of ending the ridiculous Cannabis prohibition. "Cannabis use is associated with a substantial reduction in premature deaths in the United States" scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/handle/2022/21632
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Post by musik on Dec 11, 2022 18:15:56 GMT
racism surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, ?
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Post by elystokie on Dec 11, 2022 18:51:47 GMT
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 11, 2022 23:29:04 GMT
racism surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, ? Nothing I could write in a few words would, for a second, begin to explain the inequality of the use of drug laws per race.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 12, 2022 9:37:31 GMT
racism surrounding this has to stop and thankfully, ? The actual word 'Marijuana' is considered racist by some and was a word chosen to describe the plant by prohibitionists in order demonise the Mexican refugees that were fleeing the Mexican civil war and weren't exactly welcomed by everyone in the Southern states. At this time cannnibis (the exact same substance!) was being used extensively in medicinal treatments, they couldn't call the drug they wanted to ban the same name as the medicine or they'd have been laughed out of town so 'marijuana' it became. Then the emperor got naked and has been ever since. www.farmerfelon.com/blog/long-racist-history-cannabis-prohibition
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 22:19:34 GMT
I have no idea what the stats in the UK are like for Marijuana arrests but I would expect they represent the proportion of users, as opposed to arrests down racial lines like those experienced in the US. Britain has been a racially integrated country for years and for the most part, a racially tolerant one. I suspect those arrested in the UK are picked on the grounds of police targeting certain individuals etc.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 12, 2022 22:35:42 GMT
I have no idea what the stats in the UK are like for Marijuana arrests but I would expect they represent the proportion of users, as opposed to arrests down racial lines like those experienced in the US. Britain has been a racially integrated country for years and for the most part, a racially tolerant one. I suspect those arrested in the UK are picked on the grounds of police targeting certain individuals etc. I think I saw that stop and search figures in this country were somewhat disproportional, no idea about arrests and convictions tho. I do agree that we're integrated and mostly tolerant. I think (I'd pretty much forgotten about it until musik mentioned it) in the post, I meant that it's origins are rooted in racism, from the 1930s and then again in the 1970s in the US. Two quotes from the link - “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” - Harry Anslinger, original cannabis prohibitionist. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” - John Ehrlichman, President Nixon's Domestic Policy Chief 2016.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 22:47:30 GMT
I have no idea what the stats in the UK are like for Marijuana arrests but I would expect they represent the proportion of users, as opposed to arrests down racial lines like those experienced in the US. Britain has been a racially integrated country for years and for the most part, a racially tolerant one. I suspect those arrested in the UK are picked on the grounds of police targeting certain individuals etc. I think I saw that stop and search figures in this country were somewhat disproportional, no idea about arrests and convictions tho. I do agree that we're integrated and mostly tolerant. I think (I'd pretty much forgotten about it until musik mentioned it) in the post, I meant that it's origins are rooted in racism, from the 1930s and then again in the 1970s in the US. Two quotes from the link - “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” - Harry Anslinger, original cannabis prohibitionist. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” - John Ehrlichman, President Nixon's Domestic Policy Chief 2016. Does Marijuana have an especially strong following among the black community in Britain? I've never really understood the stereotype. It's always came across as some weird marketing gimmick used by dickheads who like to sell Rasta-Reggae themed bongs and lighters. Literally everyone I know who's a regular weed user is white. Many lads I went school with, lads in the same Sunday league team, lads in the same 6 aside team, lads I used to work with and a few on my estate, etc etc. There's every chance that some of these are legal users, but I suspect all but a very small number are not. I'll admit that I don't know many black lads for a fair comparison, but none of those I do know, are into it... like at all.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 12, 2022 22:54:55 GMT
I think I saw that stop and search figures in this country were somewhat disproportional, no idea about arrests and convictions tho. I do agree that we're integrated and mostly tolerant. I think (I'd pretty much forgotten about it until musik mentioned it) in the post, I meant that it's origins are rooted in racism, from the 1930s and then again in the 1970s in the US. Two quotes from the link - “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” - Harry Anslinger, original cannabis prohibitionist. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” - John Ehrlichman, President Nixon's Domestic Policy Chief 2016. Does Marijuana have an especially strong following among the black community in Britain? I've never really understood the stereotype. It's always came across as some weird marketing gimmick used by dickheads who like to sell Rasta-Reggae themed bongs and lighters. Literally everyone I know who's a regular weed user is white. Many lads I went school with, lads in the same Sunday league team, lads in the same 6 aside team, lads I used to work with and a few on my estate, etc etc. There's every chance that some of these are legal users, but I suspect all but a very small number are not. I'll admit that I don't know many black lads for a fair comparison, but none of those I do know, are into it... like at all. Not a clue and I haven't checked the figures, don't know if there are any, even if the prosecutions were found to be higher that could be down to the increase in stop and search numbers carried out on blacks, so it wouldn't necessarily prove any usage trends.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 23:05:31 GMT
Does Marijuana have an especially strong following among the black community in Britain? I've never really understood the stereotype. It's always came across as some weird marketing gimmick used by dickheads who like to sell Rasta-Reggae themed bongs and lighters. Literally everyone I know who's a regular weed user is white. Many lads I went school with, lads in the same Sunday league team, lads in the same 6 aside team, lads I used to work with and a few on my estate, etc etc. There's every chance that some of these are legal users, but I suspect all but a very small number are not. I'll admit that I don't know many black lads for a fair comparison, but none of those I do know, are into it... like at all. Not a clue and I haven't checked the figures, don't know if there are any, even if the prosecutions were found to be higher that could be down to the increase in stop and search numbers carried out on blacks, so it wouldn't necessarily prove any usage trends. Aggravating factors will also play a part. Caught with weed + a knife, you can be guaranteed that small amount of weed possession is going to be thrown right on top of the more serious charge. Caught high while driving? Same again. Caught with weed + a shit load of class A? And again. However, a bunch of 16 year old kids dicking about in the park, having a puff on a shit joint they barely struggled to roll, will probably walk away without as much as a caution so long as they don't turn into twats at the wrong time. That, in fairness, was my experience growing up... although I grew up back when it was Class C and the police couldn't be arsed to fill out the paperwork for a caution. As a Class B, it's a more serious criminal offence and the police do enjoy getting off on a power trip, so I might be mistaken these days.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 12, 2022 23:15:58 GMT
Not a clue and I haven't checked the figures, don't know if there are any, even if the prosecutions were found to be higher that could be down to the increase in stop and search numbers carried out on blacks, so it wouldn't necessarily prove any usage trends. Aggravating factors will also play a part. Caught with weed + a knife, you can be guaranteed that small amount of weed possession is going to be thrown right on top of the more serious charge. Caught high while driving? Same again. Caught with weed + a shit load of class A? And again. However, a bunch of 16 year old kids dicking about in the park, having a puff on a shit joint they barely struggled to roll, will probably walk away without as much as a caution so long as they don't turn into twats at the wrong time. That, in fairness, was my experience growing up... although I grew up back when it was Class C and the police couldn't be arsed to fill out the paperwork for a caution. As a Class B, it's a more serious criminal offence and the police do enjoy getting off on a power trip, so I might be mistaken these days. Suella and some PCC's apparently want to make it class A, I've yet to see a reason for Gordon Brown reclassifying it from C to B when he did.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 23:26:22 GMT
Aggravating factors will also play a part. Caught with weed + a knife, you can be guaranteed that small amount of weed possession is going to be thrown right on top of the more serious charge. Caught high while driving? Same again. Caught with weed + a shit load of class A? And again. However, a bunch of 16 year old kids dicking about in the park, having a puff on a shit joint they barely struggled to roll, will probably walk away without as much as a caution so long as they don't turn into twats at the wrong time. That, in fairness, was my experience growing up... although I grew up back when it was Class C and the police couldn't be arsed to fill out the paperwork for a caution. As a Class B, it's a more serious criminal offence and the police do enjoy getting off on a power trip, so I might be mistaken these days. Suella and some PCC's apparently want to make it class A, I've yet to see a reason for Gordon Brown reclassifying it from C to B when he did. We seem to love criminalising people for trivial crimes. Crimes that don't really exist or have no victim. If you go and break into a shop, there's a victim.... people are hurt, there's consequences. I'm yet to hear the victim impact statement of someone smoking a joint in their bedroom.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 13, 2022 9:26:27 GMT
Suella and some PCC's apparently want to make it class A, I've yet to see a reason for Gordon Brown reclassifying it from C to B when he did. We seem to love criminalising people for trivial crimes. Crimes that don't really exist or have no victim. If you go and break into a shop, there's a victim.... people are hurt, there's consequences. I'm yet to hear the victim impact statement of someone smoking a joint in their bedroom. Spot on. I think Mr Peel, who set up the police force essentially to stop people harming each other, would be totally amazed that the force he set up was used in this way. A report I read the other day stated that the consumption of alcohol increases the incidence of domestic violence by a factor of 8. For Cannabis it's zero. Scientists in California that study Cannabis reckon, according to Raphael Mechoulam (surely due a Nobel peace prize by now), that Cannabis will, at some point in the future, be able to cure all the diseases we currently suffer from, including addiction. On a separate (but possibly related..) matter, the most amount of money spent on 'lobbying' (twice as much as 2nd place) in the USA is spent annually by Pharmaceutical Companies, we're talking many millions of dollars here. Another statistic - America has 5% of the world's population but that population consumes 80% of prescription drugs produced in total.
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