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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 13, 2022 9:32:09 GMT
University of Exeter looking into Ketamine to reduce alcoholism:
Overcoming alcoholism is notoriously difficult, but researchers are hoping a new treatment combination might help: ketamine and psychological therapy.
The use of psychedelics alongside therapy is a booming area of research, with ketamine, MDMA and psilocybin – the active ingredient of magic mushrooms – among the drugs that are being studied to tackle mental health problems ranging from depression to PTSD.
Now researchers are set to launch a £2.4m phase 3 trial, the largest of its kind, to explore the use of ketamine in treating severe alcohol use disorder.
Prof Celia Morgan of the University of Exeter, who is leading the new trial, said people with alcohol problems could find it difficult to engage with psychological interventions, but that ketamine could help.
“Our model is really using the ketamine as a catalyst for the therapy,” she said.
The team behind the study, known as Ketamine for Reduction of Alcohol Relapse (Kare), previously completed a proof of concept trial that suggested people with severe alcohol use disorder who were given ketamine alongside psychological therapy were more likely to remain completely abstinent six months later than those who were given a placebo.
Illustration of woman on psychedelic trip ‘The ketamine blew my mind’: can psychedelics cure addiction and depression? Read more “This phase 3 trial seeks to find definitive evidence of this effect so that hopefully we might be able to roll out this treatment eventually to patients and the NHS,” said Morgan.
While other scientists have also looked at tackling alcohol problems with a ketamine-based treatment, Morgan noted some of those studies had focused on social drinkers and used a one-off memory disruption intervention.
By contrast the new trial will take place at seven NHS sites across the UK and is expected to involve 280 participants with severe alcohol use disorder – the group, Morgan noted, that is the most difficult to treat and the most likely to relapse.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 13, 2022 10:23:41 GMT
University of Exeter looking into Ketamine to reduce alcoholism: Overcoming alcoholism is notoriously difficult, but researchers are hoping a new treatment combination might help: ketamine and psychological therapy. The use of psychedelics alongside therapy is a booming area of research, with ketamine, MDMA and psilocybin – the active ingredient of magic mushrooms – among the drugs that are being studied to tackle mental health problems ranging from depression to PTSD. Now researchers are set to launch a £2.4m phase 3 trial, the largest of its kind, to explore the use of ketamine in treating severe alcohol use disorder. Prof Celia Morgan of the University of Exeter, who is leading the new trial, said people with alcohol problems could find it difficult to engage with psychological interventions, but that ketamine could help. “Our model is really using the ketamine as a catalyst for the therapy,” she said. The team behind the study, known as Ketamine for Reduction of Alcohol Relapse (Kare), previously completed a proof of concept trial that suggested people with severe alcohol use disorder who were given ketamine alongside psychological therapy were more likely to remain completely abstinent six months later than those who were given a placebo. Illustration of woman on psychedelic trip ‘The ketamine blew my mind’: can psychedelics cure addiction and depression? Read more “This phase 3 trial seeks to find definitive evidence of this effect so that hopefully we might be able to roll out this treatment eventually to patients and the NHS,” said Morgan. While other scientists have also looked at tackling alcohol problems with a ketamine-based treatment, Morgan noted some of those studies had focused on social drinkers and used a one-off memory disruption intervention. By contrast the new trial will take place at seven NHS sites across the UK and is expected to involve 280 participants with severe alcohol use disorder – the group, Morgan noted, that is the most difficult to treat and the most likely to relapse. Ketanine licensed in UK to tackle severe depression that might have seen ECT used in the past
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 13, 2022 11:43:51 GMT
University of Exeter looking into Ketamine to reduce alcoholism: Overcoming alcoholism is notoriously difficult, but researchers are hoping a new treatment combination might help: ketamine and psychological therapy. The use of psychedelics alongside therapy is a booming area of research, with ketamine, MDMA and psilocybin – the active ingredient of magic mushrooms – among the drugs that are being studied to tackle mental health problems ranging from depression to PTSD. Now researchers are set to launch a £2.4m phase 3 trial, the largest of its kind, to explore the use of ketamine in treating severe alcohol use disorder. Prof Celia Morgan of the University of Exeter, who is leading the new trial, said people with alcohol problems could find it difficult to engage with psychological interventions, but that ketamine could help. “Our model is really using the ketamine as a catalyst for the therapy,” she said. The team behind the study, known as Ketamine for Reduction of Alcohol Relapse (Kare), previously completed a proof of concept trial that suggested people with severe alcohol use disorder who were given ketamine alongside psychological therapy were more likely to remain completely abstinent six months later than those who were given a placebo. Illustration of woman on psychedelic trip ‘The ketamine blew my mind’: can psychedelics cure addiction and depression? Read more “This phase 3 trial seeks to find definitive evidence of this effect so that hopefully we might be able to roll out this treatment eventually to patients and the NHS,” said Morgan. While other scientists have also looked at tackling alcohol problems with a ketamine-based treatment, Morgan noted some of those studies had focused on social drinkers and used a one-off memory disruption intervention. By contrast the new trial will take place at seven NHS sites across the UK and is expected to involve 280 participants with severe alcohol use disorder – the group, Morgan noted, that is the most difficult to treat and the most likely to relapse. Ketanine licensed in UK to tackle severe depression that might have seen ECT used in the past Praise the Lord for that then. I would be terrified of ECT.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 13, 2022 13:05:47 GMT
Ketanine licensed in UK to tackle severe depression that might have seen ECT used in the past Praise the Lord for that then. I would be terrified of ECT. Don't know if it's still the case but to enrol in the Project 2021 medical cannabis programme in the UK when it first came out patients had to have tried two (probably far more harmful) other avenues of treatment and had no success. If one of those treatments had to be invasive surgery, so be it. It beggars belief.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 13, 2022 14:30:32 GMT
Praise the Lord for that then. I would be terrified of ECT. Don't know if it's still the case but to enrol in the Project 2021 medical cannabis programme in the UK when it first came out patients had to have tried two (probably far more harmful) other avenues of treatment and had no success. If one of those treatments had to be invasive surgery, so be it. It beggars belief. Really beyond.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 13, 2022 17:11:18 GMT
Ketanine licensed in UK to tackle severe depression that might have seen ECT used in the past Praise the Lord for that then. I would be terrified of ECT. It's not as barbaric as in the 50s. It's not used punitively any more and requires 2 psychiatrists to agree on treatment if patient sectioned. Only used for severe depression whereas they thought it was a panacea up until the 80s
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Post by elystokie on Dec 21, 2022 15:43:49 GMT
This is quite a good, simple explanation of our endocannabinoid system, how it works (ish) and some ideas on how to stimulate it.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 21, 2022 16:25:00 GMT
We legalized it medically here 4,5 years ago and haven't seen the horror-stories. In fact, numerous people have used it to get off of opiates. I know of one person who has used it to help kick Methamphetamine since it became legal. He was well on his way to zombie and now counsels other addicts. Still others have used it to get off pharmaceuticals with horrific side-effects. I personally know several people who have either gotten off pharmaceuticals and/or cured eating disorders with it. It can be great for depression as well. But like any other treatment - works for some, but not others. When legal, it's highly regulated - you don't have to worry about people "lacing" it with other crap. Snack food stocking-levels in stores have taken a hit.
And according to a local cop - "It's calmed some of these damned jackasses down." This is nearly the same thing I heard from a Colorado cop years before we legalized it. It's taken the cartels out of the pot-business in this area and created a hell of a tax-revenue for the state.
I smoked it like an eternal flame in my teens and still grew up to be productive, so don't give me all this "Reefer Madness" mythology. Before, it was just Prohibition II, empowering criminals. And, it's allowed law enforcement to prioritize what they should have been doing all along. It used to be: freaking military using a 6 million dollar chopper to chase a pothead around the woods while ignoring some maniac down the street cooking Meth with 5 kids in the house. Just doesn't make sense to be locking up potheads in prison either.
And police here are really good about picking up on "stoned" drivers. (They're usually the one doing 15 mph with a death-grip on the steering wheel) Well, it's either that or one of the plethora of OAPs stoned on prescription drugs who like to drive through buildings. There hasn't been anyone "On" pot doing that. That's the hypocrisy to me - Alcohol and prescripion drugs with unbelievable side-effects are legal, while smoking a joint is a criminal act and gangs should control the distribution?
Give me a break.
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Post by lordb on Dec 21, 2022 16:43:27 GMT
We legalized it medically here 4,5 years ago and haven't seen the horror-stories. In fact, numerous people have used it to get off of opiates. I know of one person who has used it to help kick Methamphetamine since it became legal. He was well on his way to zombie and now counsels other addicts. Still others have used it to get off pharmaceuticals with horrific side-effects. I personally know several people who have either gotten off pharmaceuticals and/or cured eating disorders with it. It can be great for depression as well. But like any other treatment - works for some, but not others. When legal, it's highly regulated - you don't have to worry about people "lacing" it with other crap. Snack food stocking-levels in stores have taken a hit. And according to a local cop - "It's calmed some of these damned jackasses down." This is nearly the same thing I heard from a Colorado cop years before we legalized it. It's taken the cartels out of the pot-business in this area and created a hell of a tax-revenue for the state. I smoked it like an eternal flame in my teens and still grew up to be productive, so don't give me all this "Reefer Madness" mythology. Before, it was just Prohibition II, empowering criminals. And, it's allowed law enforcement to prioritize what they should have been doing all along. It used to be: freaking military using a 6 million dollar chopper to chase a pothead around the woods while ignoring some maniac down the street cooking Meth with 5 kids in the house. Just doesn't make sense to be locking up potheads in prison either. And police here are really good about picking up on "stoned" drivers. (They're usually the one doing 15 mph with a death-grip on the steering wheel) Well, it's either that or one of the plethora of OAPs stoned on prescription drugs who like to drive through buildings. There hasn't been anyone "On" pot doing that. That's the hypocrisy to me - Alcohol and prescripion drugs with unbelievable side-effects are legal, while smoking a joint is a criminal act and gangs should control the distribution? Give me a break. Where is 'here'?
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Post by elystokie on Dec 21, 2022 17:49:41 GMT
We legalized it medically here 4,5 years ago and haven't seen the horror-stories. In fact, numerous people have used it to get off of opiates. I know of one person who has used it to help kick Methamphetamine since it became legal. He was well on his way to zombie and now counsels other addicts. Still others have used it to get off pharmaceuticals with horrific side-effects. I personally know several people who have either gotten off pharmaceuticals and/or cured eating disorders with it. It can be great for depression as well. But like any other treatment - works for some, but not others. When legal, it's highly regulated - you don't have to worry about people "lacing" it with other crap. Snack food stocking-levels in stores have taken a hit. And according to a local cop - "It's calmed some of these damned jackasses down." This is nearly the same thing I heard from a Colorado cop years before we legalized it. It's taken the cartels out of the pot-business in this area and created a hell of a tax-revenue for the state. I smoked it like an eternal flame in my teens and still grew up to be productive, so don't give me all this "Reefer Madness" mythology. Before, it was just Prohibition II, empowering criminals. And, it's allowed law enforcement to prioritize what they should have been doing all along. It used to be: freaking military using a 6 million dollar chopper to chase a pothead around the woods while ignoring some maniac down the street cooking Meth with 5 kids in the house. Just doesn't make sense to be locking up potheads in prison either. And police here are really good about picking up on "stoned" drivers. (They're usually the one doing 15 mph with a death-grip on the steering wheel) Well, it's either that or one of the plethora of OAPs stoned on prescription drugs who like to drive through buildings. There hasn't been anyone "On" pot doing that. That's the hypocrisy to me - Alcohol and prescripion drugs with unbelievable side-effects are legal, while smoking a joint is a criminal act and gangs should control the distribution? Give me a break. Mate, we've had people telling us about the Emperor's finest gowns for well over 80 years and the more some people tried to say he was naked the finer his gowns became in their minds. At last more and more people are realising he was naked all along and they're telling him to make himself decent. Meanwhile, in the UK, our home secretary, flying in the face of evidence from every country that's legalised or decriminilised it, wants it rescheduled to class A 🤦
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 21, 2022 22:19:47 GMT
We legalized it medically here 4,5 years ago and haven't seen the horror-stories. In fact, numerous people have used it to get off of opiates. I know of one person who has used it to help kick Methamphetamine since it became legal. He was well on his way to zombie and now counsels other addicts. Still others have used it to get off pharmaceuticals with horrific side-effects. I personally know several people who have either gotten off pharmaceuticals and/or cured eating disorders with it. It can be great for depression as well. But like any other treatment - works for some, but not others. When legal, it's highly regulated - you don't have to worry about people "lacing" it with other crap. Snack food stocking-levels in stores have taken a hit. And according to a local cop - "It's calmed some of these damned jackasses down." This is nearly the same thing I heard from a Colorado cop years before we legalized it. It's taken the cartels out of the pot-business in this area and created a hell of a tax-revenue for the state. I smoked it like an eternal flame in my teens and still grew up to be productive, so don't give me all this "Reefer Madness" mythology. Before, it was just Prohibition II, empowering criminals. And, it's allowed law enforcement to prioritize what they should have been doing all along. It used to be: freaking military using a 6 million dollar chopper to chase a pothead around the woods while ignoring some maniac down the street cooking Meth with 5 kids in the house. Just doesn't make sense to be locking up potheads in prison either. And police here are really good about picking up on "stoned" drivers. (They're usually the one doing 15 mph with a death-grip on the steering wheel) Well, it's either that or one of the plethora of OAPs stoned on prescription drugs who like to drive through buildings. There hasn't been anyone "On" pot doing that. That's the hypocrisy to me - Alcohol and prescripion drugs with unbelievable side-effects are legal, while smoking a joint is a criminal act and gangs should control the distribution? Give me a break. Mate, we've had people telling us about the Emperor's finest gowns for well over 80 years and the more some people tried to say he was naked the finer his gowns became in their minds. At last more and more people are realising he was naked all along and they're telling him to make himself decent. Meanwhile, in the UK, our home secretary, flying in the face of evidence from every country that's legalised or decriminilised it, wants it rescheduled to class A 🤦 Backwards thinking - ridiculous. He must be on the take from smuggling gangs.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 21, 2022 22:37:20 GMT
We legalized it medically here 4,5 years ago and haven't seen the horror-stories. In fact, numerous people have used it to get off of opiates. I know of one person who has used it to help kick Methamphetamine since it became legal. He was well on his way to zombie and now counsels other addicts. Still others have used it to get off pharmaceuticals with horrific side-effects. I personally know several people who have either gotten off pharmaceuticals and/or cured eating disorders with it. It can be great for depression as well. But like any other treatment - works for some, but not others. When legal, it's highly regulated - you don't have to worry about people "lacing" it with other crap. Snack food stocking-levels in stores have taken a hit. And according to a local cop - "It's calmed some of these damned jackasses down." This is nearly the same thing I heard from a Colorado cop years before we legalized it. It's taken the cartels out of the pot-business in this area and created a hell of a tax-revenue for the state. I smoked it like an eternal flame in my teens and still grew up to be productive, so don't give me all this "Reefer Madness" mythology. Before, it was just Prohibition II, empowering criminals. And, it's allowed law enforcement to prioritize what they should have been doing all along. It used to be: freaking military using a 6 million dollar chopper to chase a pothead around the woods while ignoring some maniac down the street cooking Meth with 5 kids in the house. Just doesn't make sense to be locking up potheads in prison either. And police here are really good about picking up on "stoned" drivers. (They're usually the one doing 15 mph with a death-grip on the steering wheel) Well, it's either that or one of the plethora of OAPs stoned on prescription drugs who like to drive through buildings. There hasn't been anyone "On" pot doing that. That's the hypocrisy to me - Alcohol and prescripion drugs with unbelievable side-effects are legal, while smoking a joint is a criminal act and gangs should control the distribution? Give me a break. Where is 'here'? Deep in the heart of Yankland, aka Oklahoma
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Post by elystokie on Dec 21, 2022 23:00:26 GMT
Mate, we've had people telling us about the Emperor's finest gowns for well over 80 years and the more some people tried to say he was naked the finer his gowns became in their minds. At last more and more people are realising he was naked all along and they're telling him to make himself decent. Meanwhile, in the UK, our home secretary, flying in the face of evidence from every country that's legalised or decriminilised it, wants it rescheduled to class A 🤦 Backwards thinking - ridiculous. He must be on the take from smuggling gangs. The home secretary is currently female, things are fairly fluid over here politically tho so who knows for how long, think she's been told to wind her neck in on the matter anyway. In the USA the pharmaceutical companies spend an awful lot on 'lobbying', far more than any other sector. Everyone in the UK over 60 gets 'free' prescriptions paid for by the government, otherwise it's about £10 a pop for a product that costs pence to produce, there's armies of people in pharmacies preparing prescriptions all day every day, it's not hard to imagine those companies also doing some 'lobbying'. Hard to believe we export more 'legal' cannabis than any other country in the world but we do 🤷
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 22, 2022 2:25:26 GMT
Backwards thinking - ridiculous. He must be on the take from smuggling gangs. The home secretary is currently female, things are fairly fluid over here politically tho so who knows for how long, think she's been told to wind her neck in on the matter anyway. In the USA the pharmaceutical companies spend an awful lot on 'lobbying', far more than any other sector. Everyone in the UK over 60 gets 'free' prescriptions paid for by the government, otherwise it's about £10 a pop for a product that costs pence to produce, there's armies of people in pharmacies preparing prescriptions all day every day, it's not hard to imagine those companies also doing some 'lobbying'. Hard to believe we export more 'legal' cannabis than any other country in the world but we do 🤷 There have been no restrictions placed on the number of dispensaries and like, 11 of them opened right up in our town of approx. 30,000 people. I thought "No way all of those will survive." It's been 2,3 years now and I haven't seen any of them close. There are a ton of people who have the card, which is why those places stay in business. You don't get in there without a card (It's a photo-ID) and they only see 1 patient per one employee at any time, the rest have to wait out in the waiting room. But it appears to "flow" quickly as people weren't stacked up in the waiting room. Also notice no individuals hanging round outside either, which is one of the first things I expected. I'm told that the staff is very professional and very knowledgeable. I do know that their product is 100% inspected and certified as pure, with no insecticides or other additives. Some of the patients are dealing with cancer, so they can't screw around with dodgy product. The angle of it I do see is the revenue that these things produce for the state government via taxation. It's been a savior in my state, especially since most of the economy was based on oil & gas before. I'm no political activist trying to "push" legalization, but I'm not on the side of those who make things up out of thin air as to why "We cain't have dem damn kids down on da corner a shootin up that mary wanna!" either. Backwards thinking has permeaded the issue, thanks to a decades-old fictional movie and politically-motivated propaganda. The police haven't been on the tube bitching about any crime-spikes associated with it and we haven't seen any around here. But I understand people having concerns because I can't tell you guys how it would be if it was legalized in Stoke. I don't know if our town is just mature enough to handle it or what, but having done a TON of it when I was younger - hell the LAST thing you want to do is leave, go somewhere or get aggressive with anybody. But again, there are people who can't handle sobriety either without doing something stupid and crazy. But if you've got hyper-charged knuckleheads running around - I'd even get them to try it - that sh*t will calm them down at least. It definitely did not inspire me to do other drugs. I think for a lot of people, it depends upon what stage of life you're in. If you're young wanting to try everything then the only "gateway" I see it being is - well I did THAT and it didn't hurt me so... But I don't buy it. Well I'm rambling here so I'll leave it at this - where I am at, it hasn't made that much of an impact in society. What it might do in other societies - I have no idea. I also haven't interviewed any bags of crisps, because they are at the most danger once it's legalized.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 22, 2022 7:36:22 GMT
The home secretary is currently female, things are fairly fluid over here politically tho so who knows for how long, think she's been told to wind her neck in on the matter anyway. In the USA the pharmaceutical companies spend an awful lot on 'lobbying', far more than any other sector. Everyone in the UK over 60 gets 'free' prescriptions paid for by the government, otherwise it's about £10 a pop for a product that costs pence to produce, there's armies of people in pharmacies preparing prescriptions all day every day, it's not hard to imagine those companies also doing some 'lobbying'. Hard to believe we export more 'legal' cannabis than any other country in the world but we do 🤷 There have been no restrictions placed on the number of dispensaries and like, 11 of them opened right up in our town of approx. 30,000 people. I thought "No way all of those will survive." It's been 2,3 years now and I haven't seen any of them close. There are a ton of people who have the card, which is why those places stay in business. You don't get in there without a card (It's a photo-ID) and they only see 1 patient per one employee at any time, the rest have to wait out in the waiting room. But it appears to "flow" quickly as people weren't stacked up in the waiting room. Also notice no individuals hanging round outside either, which is one of the first things I expected. I'm told that the staff is very professional and very knowledgeable. I do know that their product is 100% inspected and certified as pure, with no insecticides or other additives. Some of the patients are dealing with cancer, so they can't screw around with dodgy product. The angle of it I do see is the revenue that these things produce for the state government via taxation. It's been a savior in my state, especially since most of the economy was based on oil & gas before. I'm no political activist trying to "push" legalization, but I'm not on the side of those who make things up out of thin air as to why "We cain't have dem damn kids down on da corner a shootin up that mary wanna!" either. Backwards thinking has permeaded the issue, thanks to a decades-old fictional movie and politically-motivated propaganda. The police haven't been on the tube bitching about any crime-spikes associated with it and we haven't seen any around here. But I understand people having concerns because I can't tell you guys how it would be if it was legalized in Stoke. I don't know if our town is just mature enough to handle it or what, but having done a TON of it when I was younger - hell the LAST thing you want to do is leave, go somewhere or get aggressive with anybody. But again, there are people who can't handle sobriety either without doing something stupid and crazy. But if you've got hyper-charged knuckleheads running around - I'd even get them to try it - that sh*t will calm them down at least. It definitely did not inspire me to do other drugs. I think for a lot of people, it depends upon what stage of life you're in. If you're young wanting to try everything then the only "gateway" I see it being is - well I did THAT and it didn't hurt me so... But I don't buy it. Well I'm rambling here so I'll leave it at this - where I am at, it hasn't made that much of an impact in society. What it might do in other societies - I have no idea. I also haven't interviewed any bags of crisps, because they are at the most danger once it's legalized. I went to Thailand recently, they legalised in June this year, apart from shops popping up in (largely speaking) tourist areas and high availability from street traders in Bangkok very little has changed. It's been an 80 year old lie reinforced by Nixon in the 70s and a couple of others that followed him, Carter was the only one that spoke common sense on the matter. The 'war on drugs' has been an absolute disaster and more and more people are waking up to that fact.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 22, 2022 14:29:11 GMT
There have been no restrictions placed on the number of dispensaries and like, 11 of them opened right up in our town of approx. 30,000 people. I thought "No way all of those will survive." It's been 2,3 years now and I haven't seen any of them close. There are a ton of people who have the card, which is why those places stay in business. You don't get in there without a card (It's a photo-ID) and they only see 1 patient per one employee at any time, the rest have to wait out in the waiting room. But it appears to "flow" quickly as people weren't stacked up in the waiting room. Also notice no individuals hanging round outside either, which is one of the first things I expected. I'm told that the staff is very professional and very knowledgeable. I do know that their product is 100% inspected and certified as pure, with no insecticides or other additives. Some of the patients are dealing with cancer, so they can't screw around with dodgy product. The angle of it I do see is the revenue that these things produce for the state government via taxation. It's been a savior in my state, especially since most of the economy was based on oil & gas before. I'm no political activist trying to "push" legalization, but I'm not on the side of those who make things up out of thin air as to why "We cain't have dem damn kids down on da corner a shootin up that mary wanna!" either. Backwards thinking has permeaded the issue, thanks to a decades-old fictional movie and politically-motivated propaganda. The police haven't been on the tube bitching about any crime-spikes associated with it and we haven't seen any around here. But I understand people having concerns because I can't tell you guys how it would be if it was legalized in Stoke. I don't know if our town is just mature enough to handle it or what, but having done a TON of it when I was younger - hell the LAST thing you want to do is leave, go somewhere or get aggressive with anybody. But again, there are people who can't handle sobriety either without doing something stupid and crazy. But if you've got hyper-charged knuckleheads running around - I'd even get them to try it - that sh*t will calm them down at least. It definitely did not inspire me to do other drugs. I think for a lot of people, it depends upon what stage of life you're in. If you're young wanting to try everything then the only "gateway" I see it being is - well I did THAT and it didn't hurt me so... But I don't buy it. Well I'm rambling here so I'll leave it at this - where I am at, it hasn't made that much of an impact in society. What it might do in other societies - I have no idea. I also haven't interviewed any bags of crisps, because they are at the most danger once it's legalized. I went to Thailand recently, they legalised in June this year, apart from shops popping up in (largely speaking) tourist areas and high availability from street traders in Bangkok very little has changed. It's been an 80 year old lie reinforced by Nixon in the 70s and a couple of others that followed him, Carter was the only one that spoke common sense on the matter. The 'war on drugs' has been an absolute disaster and more and more people are waking up to that fact. Spot On! Hey, are you available to serve as US President by any chance? All we have are idiots over here running for it.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 23, 2022 10:51:07 GMT
The home secretary is currently female, things are fairly fluid over here politically tho so who knows for how long, think she's been told to wind her neck in on the matter anyway. In the USA the pharmaceutical companies spend an awful lot on 'lobbying', far more than any other sector. Everyone in the UK over 60 gets 'free' prescriptions paid for by the government, otherwise it's about £10 a pop for a product that costs pence to produce, there's armies of people in pharmacies preparing prescriptions all day every day, it's not hard to imagine those companies also doing some 'lobbying'. Hard to believe we export more 'legal' cannabis than any other country in the world but we do 🤷 There have been no restrictions placed on the number of dispensaries and like, 11 of them opened right up in our town of approx. 30,000 people. I thought "No way all of those will survive." It's been 2,3 years now and I haven't seen any of them close. There are a ton of people who have the card, which is why those places stay in business. You don't get in there without a card (It's a photo-ID) and they only see 1 patient per one employee at any time, the rest have to wait out in the waiting room. But it appears to "flow" quickly as people weren't stacked up in the waiting room. Also notice no individuals hanging round outside either, which is one of the first things I expected. I'm told that the staff is very professional and very knowledgeable. I do know that their product is 100% inspected and certified as pure, with no insecticides or other additives. Some of the patients are dealing with cancer, so they can't screw around with dodgy product. The angle of it I do see is the revenue that these things produce for the state government via taxation. It's been a savior in my state, especially since most of the economy was based on oil & gas before. I'm no political activist trying to "push" legalization, but I'm not on the side of those who make things up out of thin air as to why "We cain't have dem damn kids down on da corner a shootin up that mary wanna!" either. Backwards thinking has permeaded the issue, thanks to a decades-old fictional movie and politically-motivated propaganda. The police haven't been on the tube bitching about any crime-spikes associated with it and we haven't seen any around here. But I understand people having concerns because I can't tell you guys how it would be if it was legalized in Stoke. I don't know if our town is just mature enough to handle it or what, but having done a TON of it when I was younger - hell the LAST thing you want to do is leave, go somewhere or get aggressive with anybody. But again, there are people who can't handle sobriety either without doing something stupid and crazy. But if you've got hyper-charged knuckleheads running around - I'd even get them to try it - that sh*t will calm them down at least. It definitely did not inspire me to do other drugs. I think for a lot of people, it depends upon what stage of life you're in. If you're young wanting to try everything then the only "gateway" I see it being is - well I did THAT and it didn't hurt me so... But I don't buy it. Well I'm rambling here so I'll leave it at this - where I am at, it hasn't made that much of an impact in society. What it might do in other societies - I have no idea. I also haven't interviewed any bags of crisps, because they are at the most danger once it's legalized. Is there much medicinal use of cannabis oil where you are? Is it available in dispensaries or only from medicinal providers? Some incredible, life saving results being reported on the cannabis health podcast from its use, most effective way of administration is as a suppository apparently, it's non-psychoactive used that way too.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 23, 2022 12:04:53 GMT
There have been no restrictions placed on the number of dispensaries and like, 11 of them opened right up in our town of approx. 30,000 people. I thought "No way all of those will survive." It's been 2,3 years now and I haven't seen any of them close. There are a ton of people who have the card, which is why those places stay in business. You don't get in there without a card (It's a photo-ID) and they only see 1 patient per one employee at any time, the rest have to wait out in the waiting room. But it appears to "flow" quickly as people weren't stacked up in the waiting room. Also notice no individuals hanging round outside either, which is one of the first things I expected. I'm told that the staff is very professional and very knowledgeable. I do know that their product is 100% inspected and certified as pure, with no insecticides or other additives. Some of the patients are dealing with cancer, so they can't screw around with dodgy product. The angle of it I do see is the revenue that these things produce for the state government via taxation. It's been a savior in my state, especially since most of the economy was based on oil & gas before. I'm no political activist trying to "push" legalization, but I'm not on the side of those who make things up out of thin air as to why "We cain't have dem damn kids down on da corner a shootin up that mary wanna!" either. Backwards thinking has permeaded the issue, thanks to a decades-old fictional movie and politically-motivated propaganda. The police haven't been on the tube bitching about any crime-spikes associated with it and we haven't seen any around here. But I understand people having concerns because I can't tell you guys how it would be if it was legalized in Stoke. I don't know if our town is just mature enough to handle it or what, but having done a TON of it when I was younger - hell the LAST thing you want to do is leave, go somewhere or get aggressive with anybody. But again, there are people who can't handle sobriety either without doing something stupid and crazy. But if you've got hyper-charged knuckleheads running around - I'd even get them to try it - that sh*t will calm them down at least. It definitely did not inspire me to do other drugs. I think for a lot of people, it depends upon what stage of life you're in. If you're young wanting to try everything then the only "gateway" I see it being is - well I did THAT and it didn't hurt me so... But I don't buy it. Well I'm rambling here so I'll leave it at this - where I am at, it hasn't made that much of an impact in society. What it might do in other societies - I have no idea. I also haven't interviewed any bags of crisps, because they are at the most danger once it's legalized. Is there much medicinal use of cannabis oil where you are? Is it available in dispensaries or only from medicinal providers? Some incredible, life saving results being reported on the cannabis health podcast from its use, most effective way of administration is as a suppository apparently, it's non-psychoactive used that way too. The full process (at least for me)is a visit to your local marijuana Doc. Some of those, you just pay your money and they just issue you. Mine is actually 100% honest. Seen him turn people away. You pays your money (of course) and are issued a state card and your monthly allocation. Cards are also available for care givers if applicable. At that point you visit your local dispensary and (for a newbie like me) the confusion starts. Oil. Shatter. Butter. Edibles.Vape and of course flower. My preference is smoked flower but I have edibles and a vape pen for if I need a Dr or procedure done and I can’t light up. Did try the oil early in the process. I found it very messy.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 13:54:01 GMT
There have been no restrictions placed on the number of dispensaries and like, 11 of them opened right up in our town of approx. 30,000 people. I thought "No way all of those will survive." It's been 2,3 years now and I haven't seen any of them close. There are a ton of people who have the card, which is why those places stay in business. You don't get in there without a card (It's a photo-ID) and they only see 1 patient per one employee at any time, the rest have to wait out in the waiting room. But it appears to "flow" quickly as people weren't stacked up in the waiting room. Also notice no individuals hanging round outside either, which is one of the first things I expected. I'm told that the staff is very professional and very knowledgeable. I do know that their product is 100% inspected and certified as pure, with no insecticides or other additives. Some of the patients are dealing with cancer, so they can't screw around with dodgy product. The angle of it I do see is the revenue that these things produce for the state government via taxation. It's been a savior in my state, especially since most of the economy was based on oil & gas before. I'm no political activist trying to "push" legalization, but I'm not on the side of those who make things up out of thin air as to why "We cain't have dem damn kids down on da corner a shootin up that mary wanna!" either. Backwards thinking has permeaded the issue, thanks to a decades-old fictional movie and politically-motivated propaganda. The police haven't been on the tube bitching about any crime-spikes associated with it and we haven't seen any around here. But I understand people having concerns because I can't tell you guys how it would be if it was legalized in Stoke. I don't know if our town is just mature enough to handle it or what, but having done a TON of it when I was younger - hell the LAST thing you want to do is leave, go somewhere or get aggressive with anybody. But again, there are people who can't handle sobriety either without doing something stupid and crazy. But if you've got hyper-charged knuckleheads running around - I'd even get them to try it - that sh*t will calm them down at least. It definitely did not inspire me to do other drugs. I think for a lot of people, it depends upon what stage of life you're in. If you're young wanting to try everything then the only "gateway" I see it being is - well I did THAT and it didn't hurt me so... But I don't buy it. Well I'm rambling here so I'll leave it at this - where I am at, it hasn't made that much of an impact in society. What it might do in other societies - I have no idea. I also haven't interviewed any bags of crisps, because they are at the most danger once it's legalized. Is there much medicinal use of cannabis oil where you are? Is it available in dispensaries or only from medicinal providers? Some incredible, life saving results being reported on the cannabis health podcast from its use, most effective way of administration is as a suppository apparently, it's non-psychoactive used that way too. Yes it is, in fact my wife uses it for a chronic disc condition in her back/neck. Keeps her up, moving about with no side effects. It's available by dispensary if it's got a certain level of THC in it (Can't recall the threshold at the moment) If it contains less, we are allowed to sell it in retail outlets. There are 3 or 4 shops in town which specialize in it.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 23, 2022 14:36:34 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Dec 23, 2022 14:59:01 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Dec 23, 2022 16:08:33 GMT
Is there much medicinal use of cannabis oil where you are? Is it available in dispensaries or only from medicinal providers? Some incredible, life saving results being reported on the cannabis health podcast from its use, most effective way of administration is as a suppository apparently, it's non-psychoactive used that way too. Yes it is, in fact my wife uses it for a chronic disc condition in her back/neck. Keeps her up, moving about with no side effects. It's available by dispensary if it's got a certain level of THC in it (Can't recall the threshold at the moment) If it contains less, we are allowed to sell it in retail outlets. There are 3 or 4 shops in town which specialize in it. Thanks for that What sort of cost are you looking at for oil? I met a chap in Koh Samui a couple of months ago who's wife had cancer and he was just off to pick up her medicine, which turned out to be cannabis oil, apparently a blend of different strains administered mainly by suppository. Didn't seem appropriate to ask about the cost at the time. I read about a company in Canada recently that claim they can tell from a DNA sample which particular strains suit a certain individual best medicinally.
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Post by gawa on Dec 23, 2022 16:28:58 GMT
If you know the right circles in the UK you can get your postman to deliver it for you! These guys here used to be the best hands down during the pandemic - instagram.com/_londoncaviar_?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=They had a website on the free Web with a huge menu updated every few days (you can see some of the strains on the insta). All you had to do was purchase your bitcoin and transfer it to their wallet and then send them a message on wickr with postal details, transaction Id and order. Within 2-3 working days the postman will be dropping it through your door. And the prices where so cheap too compared to street. And quality 10x better. Hash, rso, edibles, roisin, flower. You name it they had it. Menu had at least 30 different items most of the time and they even used to give you freebies too. For the regulars that built rapport with them they also had a members only menu with alot of cali imports which were just unreal. Then one day in 2021 alot of people reported missing orders and they were never heard of again. I'm pretty sure they got busted rather than it being an exit scam. They had over 10 million in their crypto wallets at one stage so that shows just how much they were used. Still plenty of other vendors out there on the dark Web doing postal of various quality. For me I stopped after LC disappeared because it was always a bit of a ballache having to plan in advance and the few other vendors I used in the past just didn't compare to LC for price or quality.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 17:00:06 GMT
Yes it is, in fact my wife uses it for a chronic disc condition in her back/neck. Keeps her up, moving about with no side effects. It's available by dispensary if it's got a certain level of THC in it (Can't recall the threshold at the moment) If it contains less, we are allowed to sell it in retail outlets. There are 3 or 4 shops in town which specialize in it. Thanks for that What sort of cost are you looking at for oil? I met a chap in Koh Samui a couple of months ago who's wife had cancer and he was just off to pick up her medicine, which turned out to be cannabis oil, apparently a blend of different strains administered mainly by suppository. Didn't seem appropriate to ask about the cost at the time. I read about a company in Canada recently that claim they can tell from a DNA sample which particular strains suit a certain individual best medicinally. She gets what looks like a roll-on deodorant-sized container, (It actually has a roll-on ball in it which is how you apply it) for $30 US. That container of it will last 2-3 months with daily use, which she doesn't do, just applies it as needed. Yes you can get differing strains of it. She buys a hybrid (I presume it's a hybrid of Sativa/Indica). The DNA thing makes sense as the differing strains do different things medically. And just like marylandstokie - here you go to an Medical Doctor who either prescribes it or rejects your request.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 17:13:03 GMT
You know and I'm no professed Democrat, but Carter DID say a lot of common-sense things regarding the failure of a "war on drugs" and Biden has said very recently, "we (US) need a unifying federal law regarding marijuana." Meaning that having one state having it legal, while a neighboring state is still in the grip of "Reefer Madness" is ridiculous. And until recently if you owned a dispensary, banks wouldn't allow you to open a business-account. So these owners were having to hire private security to escort them to wherever they had a safe to stash all that cash in. Since I used to be in that business, actually got a call from one of them not realizing that I no longer work in that industry to ask if they could hire me as a cash-escort. I jokingly told them "Not without an RPG, no." But I was able to refer them to someone, which made me feel like I'd done a good deed. Imagine legalizing the business, but clamping down on the money it produces - hypocrites. This is likely why Biden wants a unified federal law. (Well and the fact that we're locking up potheads) It would allow these otherwise legitimate business-owners to get out of the "lugging cash around" like a criminal and it provides more visibility for tax-purposes. I know two dispensary owners who say that's the only negative in the business, otherwise the growers are professional, inspected, licensed etc. and everything else is totally above-board. In my state, it's very tightly regulated - they just recently shut down a dispensary in Tulsa, not because the weed contained anything dangerous, but because the product was mis-labelled and did not exactly match the product-description on the label. I heard that they shut one down in Oklahoma City because an inspection revealed that they had bought from an unlicensed grower. That's how I'd hoped they'd regulate it. Which makes me think why these 11 dispensaries have survived - we are very near to both Kansas and Missouri and up until last week it was still illegal in Missouri. A lot of people in those two states come here to Oklahoma to shop because our sales tax is at a sensible level. And the pharmaceutical lobby IS screaming. Too many people have quit taking their death-pills with the 10,000 side-effects and gone natural. Edit: AND...it's one of the few things that people from both parties can agree on. www.marijuanamoment.net/bipartisan-group-of-29-congressional-lawmakers-push-biden-to-back-marijuana-legalization/
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Post by elystokie on Dec 23, 2022 17:43:12 GMT
Thanks for that What sort of cost are you looking at for oil? I met a chap in Koh Samui a couple of months ago who's wife had cancer and he was just off to pick up her medicine, which turned out to be cannabis oil, apparently a blend of different strains administered mainly by suppository. Didn't seem appropriate to ask about the cost at the time. I read about a company in Canada recently that claim they can tell from a DNA sample which particular strains suit a certain individual best medicinally. She gets what looks like a roll-on deodorant-sized container, (It actually has a roll-on ball in it which is how you apply it) for $30 US. That container of it will last 2-3 months with daily use, which she doesn't do, just applies it as needed. Yes you can get differing strains of it. She buys a hybrid (I presume it's a hybrid of Sativa/Indica). The DNA thing makes sense as the differing strains do different things medically. And just like marylandstokie - here you go to an Medical Doctor who either prescribes it or rejects your request. Sounds great. I know a number of people who self medicate with alcohol alongside painkillers, unfortunately for everyone, except the Pharmaceutical Companies and the drinks manufacturers, it's the best legal option they feel they have Apparently 86% of the UK population don't know that there's a medical cannabis programme under which there's no legal barrier to any and all cannabinoids, it's not available to just anyone but there are a fair number of qualifying conditions.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 17:50:29 GMT
She gets what looks like a roll-on deodorant-sized container, (It actually has a roll-on ball in it which is how you apply it) for $30 US. That container of it will last 2-3 months with daily use, which she doesn't do, just applies it as needed. Yes you can get differing strains of it. She buys a hybrid (I presume it's a hybrid of Sativa/Indica). The DNA thing makes sense as the differing strains do different things medically. And just like marylandstokie - here you go to an Medical Doctor who either prescribes it or rejects your request. Sounds great. I know a number of people who self medicate with alcohol alongside painkillers, unfortunately for everyone, except the Pharmaceutical Companies and the drinks manufacturers, it's the best legal option they feel they have Apparently 86% of the UK population don't know that there's a medical cannabis programme under which there's no legal barrier to any and all cannabinoids, it's not available to just anyone but there are a fair number of qualifying conditions. And when you're in constant pain, what ARE you going to do? Pretty much anything to relieve it. I feel for those having to resort to alcohol/painkillers, it's really a tragedy.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 23, 2022 20:11:53 GMT
Sounds great. I know a number of people who self medicate with alcohol alongside painkillers, unfortunately for everyone, except the Pharmaceutical Companies and the drinks manufacturers, it's the best legal option they feel they have Apparently 86% of the UK population don't know that there's a medical cannabis programme under which there's no legal barrier to any and all cannabinoids, it's not available to just anyone but there are a fair number of qualifying conditions. And when you're in constant pain, what ARE you going to do? Pretty much anything to relieve it. I feel for those having to resort to alcohol/painkillers, it's really a tragedy. It really is mate, we've really got to be thankful for the internet, without it we'd still be living the same old lie and folk like Jack Herer would still be seen as loons they really should have listened to him more, the planet would be in a far better place if they had.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2022 21:25:18 GMT
And when you're in constant pain, what ARE you going to do? Pretty much anything to relieve it. I feel for those having to resort to alcohol/painkillers, it's really a tragedy. It really is mate, we've really got to be thankful for the internet, without it we'd still be living the same old lie and folk like Jack Herer would still be seen as loons they really should have listened to him more, the planet would be in a far better place if they had. Agreed.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 29, 2022 12:56:21 GMT
Meanwhile, in Kansas…
Hospital staff in Kansas called the police on a man dying of cancer who was using cannabis products to cope with his symptoms, in an incident that has since sparked outrage and renewed calls to rethink the state’s strict cannabis laws.
The encounter took place in mid-December, when police in the city of Hays say two officers showed up at the cancer patient’s hospital room to issue him a citation for a drug violation. Police also took away a vaping device and cannabis product that hospital staff had While the police department later dropped the citation, which would have required the cancer patient to appear in court, reports of the incident fueled debate over the continued criminalization of cannabis in Kansas, one of the three US states that has not legalized the product in any context.
While he was glad the charge against his father was dropped, Lee Bretz, the patient’s son, said the incident was “humiliating” for his father and left him “pretty upset”.
His father, who has terminal, inoperable cancer, was issued a “must appear” citation for drug possession, Bretz said. “He can’t make it to court. He’s bedridden. He can’t move his legs.”
“You’d think they would have shown a lot of compassion and not done anything,” his son said of the officers who responded to the incident.
A spokesperson for the Hays medical center in Hays, Kansas, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Greg Bretz, the 69-year-old cancer patient, initially told an opinion columnist for the Wichita Eagle that he was “flat on my back” in his hospital bed, and that he had been using a vaping device and eating some THC paste on bread to cope with the symptoms of his disease.
A doctor had told him that it was fine “to do whatever he wants if it makes him feel better”, since there were no medical treatments left for him other than hospice care, he said.
On 19 December, hospital staff contacted the Hays police department about a patient vaping in a hospital room, which “they were concerned about as a potential fire hazard”, and also possessing THC, “which is illegal in the state of Kansas”, Hays police chief Don Scheibler said.
An initial report of the police interaction with the cancer patient as a “Christmastime hospital-room raid” was inaccurate, Scheibler said. “It’s not a raid.”
Scheibler said he had reviewed an audio recording of the two officers’ interaction with the patient in the hospital room, which he said lasted “less than eight minutes” and in which officers were “polite, courteous, respectful” to the frustrated patient, while issuing him a citation for a drug violation with a court date of 26 The police officer who issued the drug citation to the cancer patient had second thoughts, the police chief said, and, that same day, after a discussion with a supervisor, emailed the city prosecutor, recommending that he dismiss the charge.
“At the end of the day, they showed compassion and empathy, and that’s what they want from law enforcement,” Scheibler said. “They made the decision to write the ticket and made the recommendation to dismiss it on their own. It wasn’t anything that happened in the news.”
Because of the Christmas holiday, the city prosecutor had not seen the email about dismissing the charge until after the police interaction with the cancer patient had already become a viral news story, the police chief said. He said he personally let the patient know on 27 December that the police department was not pursuing the citation and that he would not have to appear in court.
More than a hundred people have called or emailed the Hays police department, upset about news reports of officers’ interactions with the cancer patient, the chief said. Local news outlets reported that the hospital had also received threats in the wake of the reported incident.
“As a police officer, we don’t determine what the law is,” Scheibler said. “I think the discussion about medical marijuana needs to happen.”
Lee Bretz, the patient’s son, said he hoped Kansas would legalize medical marijuana soon. “Nobody wants to see their loved ones hurting, and you’d do anything to see them not hurt,” he said.
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