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Post by emretezzy on Dec 2, 2024 18:13:17 GMT
One on a dinghy is one too many. That could be a new proverb I’ve just invented😀 I'd have thought you'd know maths in your job 🤔 How about the percentage of overall immigration they represent instead of the percentage increase of the overall population, would that be easier? Unless it's somewhat significant you're just shouting at clouds because Nigel is telling you to aren't you 🤔😉 I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 2, 2024 18:14:27 GMT
Well a very big percentage would obviously stretch our resources much more than a very small one, I'm led to believe that resources are the issue and not the fact that they're forrin'. So yeh 😀 If resources are as meagre as they are, all the more reason to not have a single extra person more than we already have. I'm more concerned about the inevitable terrorist or rather terrorists that will be slipping through the net. But yeah the cost is a major problem too seeing as the country is flat broke.. What a mess. I mean this just wasn't a thing even only 10 years ago. Madness. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 18:25:17 GMT
I'd have thought you'd know maths in your job 🤔 How about the percentage of overall immigration they represent instead of the percentage increase of the overall population, would that be easier? Unless it's somewhat significant you're just shouting at clouds because Nigel is telling you to aren't you 🤔😉 Not at all. One illegal immigrant is one too many. It’s as simple as that really. You must agree with that surely? So if there was a single illegal immigrant each year you'd still get as triggered? Seems it's not about the resources then, because one is hardly going to make a shits worth of difference are they? 🤔 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 2, 2024 18:27:13 GMT
Not at all. One illegal immigrant is one too many. It’s as simple as that really. You must agree with that surely? So if there was a single illegal immigrant each year you'd still get as triggered? Seems it's not about the resources then, because one is hardly going to make a shits worth of difference are they? 🤔 You’re just being deliberately obtuse now. I’m not about to get into a petty squabble, it’s not my style😉 I’ll leave the experts to it. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 18:27:43 GMT
I'd have thought you'd know maths in your job 🤔 How about the percentage of overall immigration they represent instead of the percentage increase of the overall population, would that be easier? Unless it's somewhat significant you're just shouting at clouds because Nigel is telling you to aren't you 🤔😉 I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird Who's justifying it? I'm trying to ascertain what the overall effect is before I decide whether it's worth getting all emotional about. Can you work the maths out for me? |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 18:29:43 GMT
So if there was a single illegal immigrant each year you'd still get as triggered? Seems it's not about the resources then, because one is hardly going to make a shits worth of difference are they? 🤔 You’re just being deliberately obtuse now. I’m not about to get into a petty squabble, it’s not my style😉 I’ll leave the experts to it. It's ok to not have an answer, a few of the gang have yet to arrive, I'm sure you can 'tag' them in when they do 😀 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 2, 2024 18:33:53 GMT
You’re just being deliberately obtuse now. I’m not about to get into a petty squabble, it’s not my style😉 I’ll leave the experts to it. It's ok to not have an answer, a few of the gang have yet to arrive, I'm sure you can 'tag' them in when they do 😀 I won’t bother tbh Ely, I don’t think you will ever see the problem and clearly don’t mind that hundreds if not thousand of foreign criminals are infiltrating the country. I mind and I don’t have a problem saying so or you disagreeing with me. |
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 2, 2024 18:35:49 GMT
I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird Who's justifying it? I'm trying to ascertain what the overall effect is before I decide whether it's worth getting all emotional about. Can you work the maths out for me? You're the resident no it all mate. Do it yourself. Whether you are left, right or a roundabout. No-one of a sound mind can justify 20,000 people coming here by a dingy from any perspective possible. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 18:36:40 GMT
It's ok to not have an answer, a few of the gang have yet to arrive, I'm sure you can 'tag' them in when they do 😀 I won’t bother tbh Ely, I don’t think you will ever see the problem and clearly don’t mind that hundreds if not thousand of foreign criminals are infiltrating the country. I mind and I don’t have a problem saying so or you disagreeing with me. Where's the evidence that hundreds of thousands of criminals are entering the country? It's a fairly simple maths question I asked, I'm puzzled why it's such a problem 🤷 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 2, 2024 18:37:58 GMT
I won’t bother tbh Ely, I don’t think you will ever see the problem and clearly don’t mind that hundreds if not thousand of foreign criminals are infiltrating the country. I mind and I don’t have a problem saying so or you disagreeing with me. Where's the evidence that hundreds of thousands of criminals are entering the country? It's a fairly simple maths question I asked, I'm puzzled why it's such a problem 🤷 “hundreds IF NOT thousands”. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 18:43:03 GMT
Where's the evidence that hundreds of thousands of criminals are entering the country? It's a fairly simple maths question I asked, I'm puzzled why it's such a problem 🤷 “hundreds IF NOT thousands”. Haha fair enough, misread it in my eagerness to engage 😀 Is there strong evidence (obviously I don't include anything from the Daily Mail) that a significant proportion are criminals? We'd have more idea who was and who wasn't if not for Brexit wouldn't we? Another own goal from Nige 🤔 Tell you what, sign the petition and I'll let you off 😉 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 2, 2024 18:47:07 GMT
“hundreds IF NOT thousands”. Haha fair enough, misread it in my eagerness to engage 😀 Is there strong evidence (obviously I don't include anything from the Daily Mail) that a significant proportion are criminals? We'd have more idea who was and who wasn't if not for Brexit wouldn't we? Another own goal from Nige 🤔 Tell you what, sign the petition and I'll let you off 😉 Which petition? |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 18:51:12 GMT
Haha fair enough, misread it in my eagerness to engage 😀 Is there strong evidence (obviously I don't include anything from the Daily Mail) that a significant proportion are criminals? We'd have more idea who was and who wasn't if not for Brexit wouldn't we? Another own goal from Nige 🤔 Tell you what, sign the petition and I'll let you off 😉 Which petition? I was so hoping that would be your answer 👌 The one I asked you about before but you ignored me, I was quite sneeped 😭 Anyway, any excuse 😀 petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700860Going well, more than doubled in a week 👍 Cannock Chase need to pull their finger out 😡 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 2, 2024 18:53:01 GMT
I was so hoping that would be your answer 👌 The one I asked you about before but you ignored me, I was quite sneeped 😭 Anyway, any excuse 😀 petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700860Going well, more than doubled in a week 👍 Cannock Chase need to pull their finger out 😡 Oh that one, I’ve already signed it so stick that in ya bath bong and smoke it! I’ve signed a few lately to be fair. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 2, 2024 18:57:54 GMT
You’re just being deliberately obtuse now. I’m not about to get into a petty squabble, it’s not my style😉 I’ll leave the experts to it. It's ok to not have an answer, a few of the gang have yet to arrive, I'm sure you can 'tag' them in when they do 😀 Did you call? 😉 |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2024 19:13:30 GMT
I was so hoping that would be your answer 👌 The one I asked you about before but you ignored me, I was quite sneeped 😭 Anyway, any excuse 😀 petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700860Going well, more than doubled in a week 👍 Cannock Chase need to pull their finger out 😡 Oh that one, I’ve already signed it so stick that in ya bath bong and smoke it! I’ve signed a few lately to be fair. I don't have one unfortunately 😐 My eldest has one that's a yellow floating duck 😀 It's a bit disconcerting actually, you have to put your finger over it's arse and 'snog' it's beak to use it 🤔 He also has a glass one, shaped like a bath with scrolled feet with a little glass duck floating inside 😀 There's some proper works of art in the form of bongs, at a festival last year I saw some selling for over £2k apiece, they were 'one-offs' to be fair. Thanks for signing 💚 |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 2, 2024 22:46:39 GMT
I don't accept you are too stupid to understand what you said so I can only conclude you are trying to wear me down with endless irrelevant links Your original quote which I said was incorrect is : Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis. It is totally irrelevant that wages may have begun to rise since July or whenever They may be on an upward trajectory but the FACT is wages increases have not exceeded inflation since pandemic I repeat I was correct to say "Average wage increases exceed inflation" as clearly stated in the links in my last post. This link, based on ONS figures: tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/real-earnings-including-bonusesshows that the wage average increase rate rose above the inflation rate in May 2023. The above link shows that average wage growth declines to less than inflation at the start of the pandemic in March 2020, was less than inflation for 5 months till August 2020. Average wages then were higher than inflation for 20 months till April 2022, apart from the one month of November 2021. From April 2022 till April 2023 average wage growth was less than inflation due to the effects of the war in Ukraine on inflation, notably energy costs. I posted the following in my Brexit 3rd Year Review on 7th April this year: "Real wage growth returned a positive value in June, after 13 months of negative real growth. This compares very favourably with the last recession in 2008 when negative wage growth persisted for six years bar five odd months. Undoubtedly had freedom of movement been in place, negative wage growth would have persisted much longer." oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/8101275Hence I am correct in repeating the statement: Average wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis.
As I pointed out in that Brexit review, UK real wage growth of 1.8% in the year ending December 2023 matched Germany's real wage growth and exceeded the real wage growths of Canada 0.4%, France 0.1%, Japan -1.6%, the EU 0.4%, and the Euro zone 0.2%. The growth of the UK economy post Brexit continues to lead to high immigration to fill jobs; here is the government's want list: www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-list/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-listDespite hundreds of thousands of workers coming to the UK there are still over 800,000 job vacancies; the highest in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/jobsandvacanciesintheuk/november2024It is necessary for many more immigrants to come to fill these jobs and meet the demand for workers, particularly if the Labour government is successful in achieving greater economic growth than that already forecast and building 1.5 million new homes by 2029. |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 3, 2024 1:29:23 GMT
I don't accept you are too stupid to understand what you said so I can only conclude you are trying to wear me down with endless irrelevant links Your original quote which I said was incorrect is : Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis. It is totally irrelevant that wages may have begun to rise since July or whenever They may be on an upward trajectory but the FACT is wages increases have not exceeded inflation since pandemic I repeat I was correct to say "Average wage increases exceed inflation" as clearly stated in the links in my last post. This link, based on ONS figures: tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/real-earnings-including-bonusesshows that the wage average increase rate rose above the inflation rate in May 2023. The above link shows that average wage growth declines to less than inflation at the start of the pandemic in March 2020, was less than inflation for 5 months till August 2020. Average wages then were higher than inflation for 20 months till April 2022, apart from the one month of November 2021. From April 2022 till April 2023 average wage growth was less than inflation due to the effects of the war in Ukraine on inflation, notably energy costs. I posted the following in my Brexit 3rd Year Review on 7th April this year: "Real wage growth returned a positive value in June, after 13 months of negative real growth. This compares very favourably with the last recession in 2008 when negative wage growth persisted for six years bar five odd months. Undoubtedly had freedom of movement been in place, negative wage growth would have persisted much longer." oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/8101275Hence I am correct in repeating the statement: Average wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis.
As I pointed out in that Brexit review, UK real wage growth of 1.8% in the year ending December 2023 matched Germany's real wage growth and exceeded the real wage growths of Canada 0.4%, France 0.1%, Japan -1.6%, the EU 0.4%, and the Euro zone 0.2%. The growth of the UK economy post Brexit continues to lead to high immigration to fill jobs; here is the government's want list: www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-list/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-listDespite hundreds of thousands of workers coming to the UK there are still over 800,000 job vacancies; the highest in UK history. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/jobsandvacanciesintheuk/november2024It is necessary for many more immigrants to come to fill these jobs and meet the demand for workers, particularly if the Labour government is successful in achieving greater economic growth than that already forecast and building 1.5 million new homes by 2029. The Resolution Foundation disagree with you.  You may just happen to notice that the CPI (Inflation) line is continuously above the average earnings line meaning real terms income has been falling since end of pandemic. I'm not sure how many different ways you want me to say it. Inconsistent incomes
Wages generally haven’t kept pace with price rises – I’m guessing you’ve noticed. Real wages are down 2.3 per cent since early 2021. But again, big shifts in relative wage levels have taken place. Lower earners have done better than higher earners, thanks to the minimum wage broadly keeping pace with prices. Waiters, chefs, and nursery staff have seen the among the largest hourly wage rises between 2021 and 2023; whereas lawyers, university lecturers, and IT professionals have had some of the largest falls. There’s been a big public/private split too with public-sector workers average weekly earnings falling 5.9 per cent since the start of 2021 vs 1.6 per cent in the private sector (where a tight labour market has had more impact).www.resolutionfoundation.org/comment/the-end-of-the-inflation-shock/ |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 5:35:35 GMT
Who's justifying it? I'm trying to ascertain what the overall effect is before I decide whether it's worth getting all emotional about. Can you work the maths out for me? You're the resident no it all mate. Do it yourself. Whether you are left, right or a roundabout. No-one of a sound mind can justify 20,000 people coming here by a dingy from any perspective possible. Fair enough. I make it 0.0002% as a percentage increase of the population. Again, I'm not justifying it, just trying to ascertain the potential impact 🤷 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Dec 3, 2024 8:57:58 GMT
You're the resident no it all mate. Do it yourself. Whether you are left, right or a roundabout. No-one of a sound mind can justify 20,000 people coming here by a dingy from any perspective possible. Fair enough. I make it 0.0002% as a percentage increase of the population. Again, I'm not justifying it, just trying to ascertain the potential impact 🤷 I’d say big if we have 0.0000000 homes free and 0.000000000 money in key services. I do understand that it is a smallish percentage in relation to the population but rather than re evaluating when the countries in a better place could we not just say “no vacancies” I liken it to having a credit card debt of 2k and saying another 20 won’t do any harm. It’ll just build up more and more. There has to be a tipping point. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 9:04:37 GMT
Fair enough. I make it 0.0002% as a percentage increase of the population. Again, I'm not justifying it, just trying to ascertain the potential impact 🤷 I’d say big if we have 0.0000000 homes free and 0.000000000 money in key services. I do understand that it is a smallish percentage in relation to the population but rather than re evaluating when the countries in a better place could we not just say “no vacancies” I liken it to having a credit card debt of 2k and saying another 20 won’t do any harm. It’ll just build up more and more. There has to be a tipping point. Are you saying that £20 is .0002 % of £2,000? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 9:21:00 GMT
I’d say big if we have 0.0000000 homes free and 0.000000000 money in key services. I do understand that it is a smallish percentage in relation to the population but rather than re evaluating when the countries in a better place could we not just say “no vacancies” I liken it to having a credit card debt of 2k and saying another 20 won’t do any harm. It’ll just build up more and more. There has to be a tipping point. Are you saying that £20 is .0002 % of £2,000? You can see the premise though. A govt that's telling us how skint the country is and how we're all going to be taking a haircut and no govt can get this issue under any sense of control. I heard someone the other day equate the problem to 120 people a day jumping the immigration barriers at Heathrow Airport. They sure would do something about that. Well they need to do something about this. And it ain't just money. Exactly who is getting in and what bad intentions do they have is more my worry. We ain't exactly too popular in many parts of the world currently. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 3, 2024 9:25:49 GMT
I'd have thought you'd know maths in your job 🤔 How about the percentage of overall immigration they represent instead of the percentage increase of the overall population, would that be easier? Unless it's somewhat significant you're just shouting at clouds because Nigel is telling you to aren't you 🤔😉 I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird Ooooohhh dunna werrit, there'll be plenty on here trying to do that....  |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 9:38:35 GMT
Are you saying that £20 is .0002 % of £2,000? You can see the premise though. A govt that's telling us how skint the country is and how we're all going to be taking a haircut and no govt can get this issue under any sense of control. I heard someone the other day equate the problem to 120 people a day jumping the immigration barriers at Heathrow Airport. They sure would do something about that. Well they need to do something about this. And it ain't just money. Exactly who is getting in and what bad intentions do they have is more my worry. We ain't exactly too popular in many parts of the world currently. I can see the premise, I can also see a Daily Mail style calculation of the figures 😂 0.0002% actually adds less than half of one pence to a credit card bill of £2k, so we could probably round it up to a penny for the whole year. I'm not sure I'd get too emotional about it 🤷 I have no figures on how many have criminal intent once they get here but we'd probably have a lot more idea if we had access to the relevant databases. Again, the boats do need stopping, that much is obvious, I'm just not sure I can bring myself to shout at all the clouds the Daily Mail wants me to about it. If Cobs is representative of the nations misreading of the figures it's no wonder there's uproar, however they're wrong, they've multiplied the real figure 400 times what it actually is assuming my maths is correct. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 9:47:47 GMT
You can see the premise though. A govt that's telling us how skint the country is and how we're all going to be taking a haircut and no govt can get this issue under any sense of control. I heard someone the other day equate the problem to 120 people a day jumping the immigration barriers at Heathrow Airport. They sure would do something about that. Well they need to do something about this. And it ain't just money. Exactly who is getting in and what bad intentions do they have is more my worry. We ain't exactly too popular in many parts of the world currently. I can see the premise, I can also see a Daily Mail style calculation of the figures 😂 0.0002% actually adds less than half of one pence to a credit card bill of £2k, so we could probably round it up to a penny for the whole year. I'm not sure I'd get too emotional about it 🤷 I have no figures on how many have criminal intent once they get here but we'd probably have a lot more idea if we had access to the relevant databases. Again, the boats do need stopping, that much is obvious, I'm just not sure I can bring myself to shout at all the clouds the Daily Mail wants me to about it. If Cobs is representative of the nations misreading of the figures it's no wonder there's uproar, however they're wrong, they've multiplied the real figure 400 times what it actually is assuming my maths is correct. It's a sell out Villa Park rocking up at Dover every 12 months. I think that's a concern for all sorts of reasons personally. Particularly as they're chucking their paperwork overboard before they disembark. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Dec 3, 2024 9:53:52 GMT
I’d say big if we have 0.0000000 homes free and 0.000000000 money in key services. I do understand that it is a smallish percentage in relation to the population but rather than re evaluating when the countries in a better place could we not just say “no vacancies” I liken it to having a credit card debt of 2k and saying another 20 won’t do any harm. It’ll just build up more and more. There has to be a tipping point. Are you saying that £20 is .0002 % of £2,000? Not at all. I got O level maths you know.  What I was trying to say is that it’s all good saying that we can a few more in or 20000 won’t make any difference but it does. It makes more difference than 0. Ultimately that’s 20000 more rooms to find whether it’s in a hotel or in a home and we know very little about those 20000. I guess what we don’t know doesn’t hurt us though. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 10:50:40 GMT
I can see the premise, I can also see a Daily Mail style calculation of the figures 😂 0.0002% actually adds less than half of one pence to a credit card bill of £2k, so we could probably round it up to a penny for the whole year. I'm not sure I'd get too emotional about it 🤷 I have no figures on how many have criminal intent once they get here but we'd probably have a lot more idea if we had access to the relevant databases. Again, the boats do need stopping, that much is obvious, I'm just not sure I can bring myself to shout at all the clouds the Daily Mail wants me to about it. If Cobs is representative of the nations misreading of the figures it's no wonder there's uproar, however they're wrong, they've multiplied the real figure 400 times what it actually is assuming my maths is correct. It's a sell out Villa Park rocking up at Dover every 12 months. I think that's a concern for all sorts of reasons personally. Particularly as they're chucking their paperwork overboard before they disembark. In comparison to the population of the nation a sell out Villa Park ain't a lot. What we should be doing in my view is sorting out their applications in France and using our forces to patrol the beaches on land and at sea over there. With drones it shouldn't be overly arduous 🤷 |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 10:55:20 GMT
Are you saying that £20 is .0002 % of £2,000? Not at all. I got O level maths you know. What I was trying to say is that it’s all good saying that we can a few more in or 20000 won’t make any difference but it does. It makes more difference than 0. Ultimately that’s 20000 more rooms to find whether it’s in a hotel or in a home and we know very little about those 20000. I guess what we don’t know doesn’t hurt us though. And you work in a school don't you? How did you manage to get the calculation wrong by a factor of 400? I haven't said it makes no difference. Like the half a pence added to the £2k credit card bill, I'm not sure it warrants the outcry it gets from certain quarters 🤷 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Dec 3, 2024 10:58:29 GMT
Not at all. I got O level maths you know. What I was trying to say is that it’s all good saying that we can a few more in or 20000 won’t make any difference but it does. It makes more difference than 0. Ultimately that’s 20000 more rooms to find whether it’s in a hotel or in a home and we know very little about those 20000. I guess what we don’t know doesn’t hurt us though. And you work in a school don't you? How did you manage to get the calculation wrong by a factor of 400? I haven't said it makes no difference. Like the half a pence added to the £2k credit card bill, I'm not sure it warrants the outcry it gets from certain quarters 🤷 Try again I don’t. D- Must do better |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 11:01:46 GMT
And you work in a school don't you? How did you manage to get the calculation wrong by a factor of 400? I haven't said it makes no difference. Like the half a pence added to the £2k credit card bill, I'm not sure it warrants the outcry it gets from certain quarters 🤷 Try again I don’t. D- Must do better What mark d'you think you should get for your maths? 🙂 |
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