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Post by mrcoke on Nov 29, 2024 14:51:47 GMT
You make a very valid point and I am well aware of the issue of the increased demand on public services. My point is much of those services and others like food processing from farm to supermarket depend heavily on immigrant labour, particularly the health service. You are correct to highlight 2005, as that is the date eastern European states joined the the EU and freedom of movement meant a huge increase in migration. There were stories of doctors in Poland leaving to stack shelves in our supermarkets. Immigration was uncontrolled. Believe it or not immigration is now controlled as the vast majority of immigrants come here legally to work, study, join relatives, or are genuine refugees. Fewer EU citizens moved to the UK from around 2013 by which time the East European economies were growing rapidly, and fewer still following the referendum. After the UK left the EU, they can only move to the UK to take "needed jobs" Consequently there are record vacancies and the lowest unemployment since the 1970s as the economy continues to grow and demand more workers. www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lmsIn 2015 there were protests that EU citizens living in the UK could not vote in the referendum. It was claimed that 2 million were disenfranchised. Since Brexit there are over 8 million applications by EU citizens seeking UK citizenship. That is an indication of the true immigration from the EU. As I posted above, the immigration that is now taking place is either because we need the workers, or provides income for universities, or is compassionate. There is very little any government can do to stop it other than address the root causes which are high sickness levels and low productivity. It is only by tackling those two issues will we reduce the demand businesses have for immigrant workers. Pulling up the drawbridge is not an option; it would be damaging to our economy and those public services, and in some cases inhumane. The workers coming in from the EU were protected by EU laws on workers rights incorporated into UK law. Post Brexit the Tories were systematically eroding workers rights and switching to non EU labour in order to drive down wages and degrade working conditions. The Tories post Brexit plan was to increase non EU labour and create a low wage economy. There is very little incentive for people on benefits to join the workforce because wages are low and working conditions are deteriorating. There was never any intention to reduce net immigration. Your comments are not supported by the facts: www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/Wages deteriorated at the end of the last Labour government period, driven by the 2008 financial crisis. Then we had a long period of Tory austerity. Then when fewer EU citizens arrived wages started to increase from 2014. It dipped in 2020 due to the pandemic, but then increased to a peak in 2023. Real pay dropped to a negative minimum in 2011. It also dipped due to the pandemic and then peak due to the post pandemic rapid growth. Real wages took a real hammering during the subsequent 2 years overlapping 2022 due the rampant inflation which was more due Putin than the Tories. Here is the immigration wage rates: www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-list/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-listIf you know of an employer paying an immigrant less than these rates, I suggest you report them. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 29, 2024 18:05:28 GMT
Hating certain things about the country is one thing. But hating it as an entire entity is another more nefarious matter. Countries need a common cultural theme running through it or else it becomes very difficult to maintain an identity. And with no identity, well you become a little like stoke city have been for the last 7 years, ie shyte. But people who dislike borders and believe we should be able to pop a Dick Whittington travel sack on our backs and just go where we like whenever we like for as long as we like quite enjoy this lack of or diminishing British identity. They don't want britishness to be a thing. They are embarrassed by it and it doesn't suit their aims. They're either fantasists at best or worse they realise the current trajectory will turn this country into a lawless shit hole and they'll just be happy Britain has fallen. Dunno which to be honest. In my opinion of course chief 🤷♂️ Are you seriously suggesting that Countries and their Cultures don't evolve. If you have a fear of that I suggest you are Xenophobic or worse Those craving nostalgia can watch endless repeats of Dad's Army or The Black and White Minstrel Show The fact the national dish of England has become Chicken Tikka Massa doesn't mean you can't have Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding on a Sunday. So can you define what is this thing Britishness? As for Stoke City and the era you describe under Pulis which to be fair had an identity of being dull and dour which when the novelty of finishing 9th consecutively wore off, most craved change to a more expansive way of playing because it was dull and not entertaining. The mistakes made was not the change in direction but the wrong selection of Managers and Players to deliver it. True to form and as predicted out came the xenophobe and racist accusations. Buy another record chief 👍 |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 29, 2024 19:18:32 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that Countries and their Cultures don't evolve. If you have a fear of that I suggest you are Xenophobic or worse Those craving nostalgia can watch endless repeats of Dad's Army or The Black and White Minstrel Show The fact the national dish of England has become Chicken Tikka Massa doesn't mean you can't have Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding on a Sunday. So can you define what is this thing Britishness? As for Stoke City and the era you describe under Pulis which to be fair had an identity of being dull and dour which when the novelty of finishing 9th consecutively wore off, most craved change to a more expansive way of playing because it was dull and not entertaining. The mistakes made was not the change in direction but the wrong selection of Managers and Players to deliver it. True to form and as predicted out came the xenophobe and racist accusations. Buy another record chief 👍 Only record he seems to have mate. If we all club together we could get him a new for for Christmas 👍 |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 29, 2024 19:21:10 GMT
In this case it isn't bullshit though is it. The concept Wannabee is putting forward is that the laws of a country are different to the culture of the country. Which is simply true. Wannabee's opinion is based on this concept. His opinion is based on something that happens to be true and is therefore logically sound. The poster Wannabee was arguing with was conflating the laws of a country with the culture of a country. As a concept this is flawed. The opinion expressed by the poster was based on a flawed concept and therefore his opinion doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Both Wannabee and the other poster have the right hold and express an opinion. The thing is in this case Wanabbe's opinion is based on sound reasoning and the other poster's is based on flawed logic. It's the old I know what I want to believe and I'm not prepared to engage my brain and think about the concepts because that might undermine what I've already decided I want to believe my bullshit. Thanks Mate, saved me the bother. Sometimes it's exhausting Oooooo immigration thread friends 👍👍 |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2024 20:02:29 GMT
It's somewhat tiresome to keep repeating this but nevertheless, important.
It's the people in luxury yachts you should be getting angry with, not the people in little boats.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:04:19 GMT
It's somewhat tiresome to keep repeating this but nevertheless, important. It's the people in luxury yachts you should be getting angry with, not the people in little boats. What people? |
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Post by sticky on Nov 29, 2024 20:13:12 GMT
I can’t see people in luxury yachts stabbing innocent folk tbf, I’ve read plenty of articles of asylum seekers stabbing folk. Maybe people are just concerned like me? Doesn’t make you a right wing racist Nazi does it. It gets pointless discussing it on here, people seem to have their views and they won’t be swayed
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2024 20:15:59 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that Countries and their Cultures don't evolve. If you have a fear of that I suggest you are Xenophobic or worse Those craving nostalgia can watch endless repeats of Dad's Army or The Black and White Minstrel Show The fact the national dish of England has become Chicken Tikka Massa doesn't mean you can't have Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding on a Sunday. So can you define what is this thing Britishness? As for Stoke City and the era you describe under Pulis which to be fair had an identity of being dull and dour which when the novelty of finishing 9th consecutively wore off, most craved change to a more expansive way of playing because it was dull and not entertaining. The mistakes made was not the change in direction but the wrong selection of Managers and Players to deliver it. True to form and as predicted out came the xenophobe and racist accusations. Buy another record chief 👍 Xeno from the Greek for "strange, foreign, or alien" and Phobia is the fear or dislike of anything that is perceived as being foreign or strange, a desire to eliminate the presence of the group that is the target of suspicion, and fear of losing a national, ethnic, or racial identity.That is not derogatory, it's exactly what you expressed as your opinion which is a perfectly legitimate one to hold, I defined what that opinion is. I made no Racist accusation. Are you going to define this Britishness thing? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:16:35 GMT
I can’t see people in luxury yachts stabbing innocent folk tbf, I’ve read plenty of articles of asylum seekers stabbing folk. Maybe people are just concerned like me? Doesn’t make you a right wing racist Nazi does it. It gets pointless discussing it on here, people seem to have their views and they won’t be swayed Precisely, violent foreign criminals? Well statistics show British people are more likely to beat up their wives or whatever. Successful British business men? How dare they have so much money and not remotely affect daily life for everyone. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2024 20:16:52 GMT
It's somewhat tiresome to keep repeating this but nevertheless, important. It's the people in luxury yachts you should be getting angry with, not the people in little boats. What people? You know full well mucka. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2024 20:17:56 GMT
I can’t see people in luxury yachts stabbing innocent folk tbf, I’ve read plenty of articles of asylum seekers stabbing folk. Maybe people are just concerned like me? Doesn’t make you a right wing racist Nazi does it. It gets pointless discussing it on here, people seem to have their views and they won’t be swayed No mate, people in luxury yachts have your pants down and spend their time laughing. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:17:57 GMT
You know full well mucka. I honestly don’t mucka. What are they doing to affect illegal immigration? Are they smuggling them in? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2024 20:19:13 GMT
You know full well mucka. I honestly don’t mucka. What are they doing to affect illegal immigration? Are they smuggling them in? It's a shame you don't mate. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 20:20:19 GMT
I honestly don’t mucka. What are they doing to affect illegal immigration? Are they smuggling them in? It's a shame you don't mate. Wannabee would provide a long winded monologue explaining his point for us thickos. Can you do that? |
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Post by sticky on Nov 29, 2024 20:27:54 GMT
It's a shame you don't mate. Wannabee would provide a long winded monologue explaining his point for us thickos. Can you do that? I barely believe a word that comes out of the governments mouth (whatever party) how many cover ups and the like have we had over the years.. a lot. There’s good and bad everywhere, but I’d like to know a bit more about unkown folk wandering around thats all I’ve got zero faith in the government vetting folk properly. It’s bad enough with the home grown scumbags we’ve already got |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 29, 2024 21:30:13 GMT
True to form and as predicted out came the xenophobe and racist accusations. Buy another record chief 👍 Xeno from the Greek for "strange, foreign, or alien" and Phobia is the fear or dislike of anything that is perceived as being foreign or strange, a desire to eliminate the presence of the group that is the target of suspicion, and fear of losing a national, ethnic, or racial identity.That is not derogatory, it's exactly what you expressed as your opinion which is a perfectly legitimate one to hold, I defined what that opinion is. I made no Racist accusation. Are you going to define this Britishness thing? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XenophobiaOr worse you said. Keep throwing those accusations. My parents are immigrants. I know what I'm talking about. And how about you give me your definition of britishness seeing as you're the one who despises it so much and believes its of such little value. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 29, 2024 21:31:29 GMT
🍿 at the ready
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2024 22:19:18 GMT
Xeno from the Greek for "strange, foreign, or alien" and Phobia is the fear or dislike of anything that is perceived as being foreign or strange, a desire to eliminate the presence of the group that is the target of suspicion, and fear of losing a national, ethnic, or racial identity.That is not derogatory, it's exactly what you expressed as your opinion which is a perfectly legitimate one to hold, I defined what that opinion is. I made no Racist accusation. Are you going to define this Britishness thing? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XenophobiaOr worse you said. Keep throwing those accusations. My parents are immigrants. I know what I'm talking about. And how about you give me your definition of britishness seeing as you're the one who despises it so much and believes its of such little value. "Or Worse" is interrogative not pejorative For example you could debate if Madonna was better "or worse" than Pele. Neither were bad obviously I have no idea how you define Britishness, that's why I've asked you twice now, with immigrant parents you may have a perfect perception |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 29, 2024 22:25:01 GMT
Or worse you said. Keep throwing those accusations. My parents are immigrants. I know what I'm talking about. And how about you give me your definition of britishness seeing as you're the one who despises it so much and believes its of such little value. "Or Worse" is interrogative not pejorative For example you could debate if Madonna was better "or worse" than Pele. Neither were bad obviously I have no idea how you define Britishness, that's why I've asked you twice now, with immigrant parents you may have a perfect perception Not the night for lefty word salads amigo. Buenos noches 🙏 And by the way Pele was a little bit better at football than Madonna🤣 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 30, 2024 14:02:03 GMT
The workers coming in from the EU were protected by EU laws on workers rights incorporated into UK law. Post Brexit the Tories were systematically eroding workers rights and switching to non EU labour in order to drive down wages and degrade working conditions. The Tories post Brexit plan was to increase non EU labour and create a low wage economy. There is very little incentive for people on benefits to join the workforce because wages are low and working conditions are deteriorating. There was never any intention to reduce net immigration. Your comments are not supported by the facts: www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/Wages deteriorated at the end of the last Labour government period, driven by the 2008 financial crisis. Then we had a long period of Tory austerity. Then when fewer EU citizens arrived wages started to increase from 2014. It dipped in 2020 due to the pandemic, but then increased to a peak in 2023. Real pay dropped to a negative minimum in 2011. It also dipped due to the pandemic and then peak due to the post pandemic rapid growth. Real wages took a real hammering during the subsequent 2 years overlapping 2022 due the rampant inflation which was more due Putin than the Tories. Here is the immigration wage rates: www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-list/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-listIf you know of an employer paying an immigrant less than these rates, I suggest you report them I live in Leicester. The exploitation of immigrant workers from the Indian sub continent is a scandal and very likely the tip of the iceberg - BBC News - More than 1,200 textile workers illegally underpaid www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9gv7k2ym1oThe government set the minimum wage and the Tories were quite happy to keep the miminimum wage as low as possible because they knew they could get non EU workers to accept lower wages thereby driving pay down for everyone. EU workers no longer have an automatic right to be here and fewer want to arrive anyway because pay is low. Broadly speaking there were 3 groups of people who backed Brexit. Ideologues like yourself who see sovereignty as the major aim, Little Englander's who see immigration as the main aim and free market globalists who see driving down wages and maximising profits as the main aim. It was the latter who dominated the Tory agenda on Brexit and that was the Brexit they implemented. You, along with the Little Englanders were conned but to be fair the latter have realised it and decamped to Reform. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 30, 2024 14:14:02 GMT
Law. But what has that to do with the point I was making? Really? I’d say culture in respect to those involved. They believed because of comments made by a teacher re their religion was deemed serious enough to want to threaten to kill someone for insulting their religion. No that isnt waht I meant. Threatening to kill someone is a legal matter regardless of what the teacher said. I don't know what the teacher said. If it was an incitement to racial hatred then it is a legal matter. If it breached the terms of their contract of employment as a teacher it could end up in the civil courts. If it was a comment intended to stimulate discussion on an educational setting then personally I think that's fine. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2024 14:54:33 GMT
Your comments are not supported by the facts: www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/Wages deteriorated at the end of the last Labour government period, driven by the 2008 financial crisis. Then we had a long period of Tory austerity. Then when fewer EU citizens arrived wages started to increase from 2014. It dipped in 2020 due to the pandemic, but then increased to a peak in 2023. Real pay dropped to a negative minimum in 2011. It also dipped due to the pandemic and then peak due to the post pandemic rapid growth. Real wages took a real hammering during the subsequent 2 years overlapping 2022 due the rampant inflation which was more due Putin than the Tories. Here is the immigration wage rates: www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-list/skilled-worker-visa-immigration-salary-listIf you know of an employer paying an immigrant less than these rates, I suggest you report them I live in Leicester. The exploitation of immigrant workers from the Indian sub continent is a scandal and very likely the tip of the iceberg - BBC News - More than 1,200 textile workers illegally underpaid www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9gv7k2ym1oThe government set the minimum wage and the Tories were quite happy to keep the miminimum wage as low as possible because they knew they could get non EU workers to accept lower wages thereby driving pay down for everyone. EU workers no longer have an automatic right to be here and fewer want to arrive anyway because pay is low. Broadly speaking there were 3 groups of people who backed Brexit. Ideologues like yourself who see sovereignty as the major aim, Little Englander's who see immigration as the main aim and free market globalists who see driving down wages and maximising profits as the main aim. It was the latter who dominated the Tory agenda on Brexit and that was the Brexit they implemented. You, along with the Little Englanders were conned but to be fair the latter have realised it and decamped to Reform. The minimum wage was increased by the highest amount ever in April (by the Tories no less). Pay is not being driven down. Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis, because we stopped freedom of movement which has led to a shortage of workers. Hence the need for employers to have to bring in large numbers of immigrants. The government has just given many public sector workers a pay boost. If some workers are being exploited what are their unions doing about it ? What is their MP doing about it? I am happy to be conned if that is restoring law making to UK law makers and see workers rights being improved: www.gov.uk/government/news/government-unveils-most-significant-reforms-to-employment-rightsI also expect that now we have left the single market, investment will start to increase in the UK instead of leaving for Europe and the Far East. Time will tell. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 30, 2024 15:03:47 GMT
I live in Leicester. The exploitation of immigrant workers from the Indian sub continent is a scandal and very likely the tip of the iceberg - BBC News - More than 1,200 textile workers illegally underpaid www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9gv7k2ym1oThe government set the minimum wage and the Tories were quite happy to keep the miminimum wage as low as possible because they knew they could get non EU workers to accept lower wages thereby driving pay down for everyone. EU workers no longer have an automatic right to be here and fewer want to arrive anyway because pay is low. Broadly speaking there were 3 groups of people who backed Brexit. Ideologues like yourself who see sovereignty as the major aim, Little Englander's who see immigration as the main aim and free market globalists who see driving down wages and maximising profits as the main aim. It was the latter who dominated the Tory agenda on Brexit and that was the Brexit they implemented. You, along with the Little Englanders were conned but to be fair the latter have realised it and decamped to Reform. The minimum wage was increased by the highest amount ever in April (by the Tories no less). Pay is not being driven down. Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis, because we stopped freedom of movement which has led to a shortage of workers. Hence the need for employers to have to bring in large numbers of immigrants. The government has just given many public sector workers a pay boost. If some workers are being exploited what are their unions doing about it ? What is their MP doing about it? I am happy to be conned if that is restoring law making to UK law makers and see workers rights being improved: www.gov.uk/government/news/government-unveils-most-significant-reforms-to-employment-rightsI also expect that now we have left the single market, investment will start to increase in the UK instead of leaving for Europe and the Far East. Time will tell. Wages adjusted for inflation have been falling since Covid ended www.economicsobservatory.com/what-do-the-latest-data-tell-us-about-uk-wage-growth |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 30, 2024 16:00:50 GMT
Really? I’d say culture in respect to those involved. They believed because of comments made by a teacher re their religion was deemed serious enough to want to threaten to kill someone for insulting their religion. No that isnt waht I meant. Threatening to kill someone is a legal matter regardless of what the teacher said. I don't know what the teacher said. If it was an incitement to racial hatred then it is a legal matter. If it breached the terms of their contract of employment as a teacher it could end up in the civil courts. If it was a comment intended to stimulate discussion on an educational setting then personally I think that's fine. What I was trying to say that the actions of the mob were based on not liking a comment around religion. That reaction was based on culture and the feeling of a good few that it’s acceptable to want to kill someone on the back of what were words. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2024 17:42:56 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Nov 30, 2024 18:09:58 GMT
You really can't make up your mind what you are saying and much of it is contradictory You said in your previous post " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic"
I replied giving you evidence that this is complete nonsense because the opposite happened You now say it's a short term thing (I thought you don't believe in forecasts? ) well it's being happening for more than two years despite you claiming Black was White. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2024 23:59:25 GMT
You really can't make up your mind what you are saying and much of it is contradictory You said in your previous post " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic"
I replied giving you evidence that this is complete nonsense because the opposite happened You now say it's a short term thing (I thought you don't believe in forecasts? ) well it's being happening for more than two years despite you claiming Black was White. You are misquoting what I posted. I did not say " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic" as you state above. What I said was: " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis"
This reference www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/shows that real pay, i.e. actual pay less inflation, became positive in June last year, and has continued to do so till today. So I am correct to say wage increases exceed inflation. Inflation due to the energy crisis caused by the war in Ukraine started to exceed pay in November 2021. Real pay continued to be negative until last June, a period of 19 months. During and following the financial crisis of 2008, real pay became negative in July 2008 and remained negative until October 2014, a period of over 6 years. Even if you go back to May 2020 when real pay was negative for 4 months, the period from May 2020 to last June is just over 3 years, i.e. only half the time it was negative after the 2008 pandemic. I am therefore correct to state average wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis. The reason is quite clear. Prior to 2005 migration between the UK and the rest of the EU was neutral, i.e. as many left as came. There was a sharp increase in net migration to the UK to the EU from 2005 following the east European states joining the EU. According to Migration Watch, prior to 2005 the net migration to the UK had been from non EU countries. It was typically 100,000 pa prior to 1998 and then rose steadily to a peak of 265,000 in 2004, after which it declined back to typically 100,000 pa by 2012, and remained at that level till rising sharply in 2018. The number of net EU immigrants arriving in the UK rose to a peak of over 300,000 by 2016 and then started to decline sharply to a negative figure last year. It is quite clear that from 2005 to 2012 EU immigrants to the UK "replaced " non EU immigrants until 2012, and from 2016 non EU immigrants to the UK have "replaced" EU immigrants. The key change in terms of pay though is that when the UK was in the EU, EU citizens could come freely and take work in the single market, which meant there was plenty of labour available for employers to hire. Whereas now since 2020 any immigrants must qualify to get a visa to work and meet the criteria of pay or temporary status. This has led to employers having to pay higher wages and a record level of job vacancies. This is also mirrored in the numbers of UK unemployed which have dropped since 2016 to levels not seen since the 1970s (apart from during the pandemic). Another major benefit of Brexit. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment%20Rate%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom%20averaged%206.68%20percent%20from,percent%20in%20December%20of%201973. |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 1, 2024 0:45:53 GMT
You really can't make up your mind what you are saying and much of it is contradictory You said in your previous post " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic"
I replied giving you evidence that this is complete nonsense because the opposite happened You now say it's a short term thing (I thought you don't believe in forecasts? ) well it's being happening for more than two years despite you claiming Black was White. You are misquoting what I posted. I did not say " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic" as you state above. What I said was: " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis"
I have removed the irrelevant large post after the above, I didn't even read it. It is totally irrelevant when wages increased after 2008 financial crisis. They haven't increased since the Covid Pandemic which you claimed they had.You can't compare something that has happened to something that might happen in the future and obviously you shouldn't make false claims |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 1, 2024 11:09:53 GMT
Absolute lizards.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 1, 2024 13:51:36 GMT
You are misquoting what I posted. I did not say " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic" as you state above. What I said was: " Avergae wage increases exceed inflation, and started to be so sooner after the pandemic recession than they did after the 2008 financial crisis"
I have removed the irrelevant large post after the above, I didn't even read it. It is totally irrelevant when wages increased after 2008 financial crisis. They haven't increased since the Covid Pandemic which you claimed they had.You can't compare something that has happened to something that might happen in the future and obviously you shouldn't make false claims I did not claim (real) wages increased since the Covid pandemic, I posted that average wage increases exceed inflation which they have done since July last year. |
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