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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 11:10:21 GMT
It's a sell out Villa Park rocking up at Dover every 12 months. I think that's a concern for all sorts of reasons personally. Particularly as they're chucking their paperwork overboard before they disembark. In comparison to the population of the nation a sell out Villa Park ain't a lot. What we should be doing in my view is sorting out their applications in France and using our forces to patrol the beaches on land and at sea over there. With drones it shouldn't be overly arduous 🤷 I get what you're saying about % ages and relative size. But you've got a background of a failing country. Our infrastructure is falling apart both physically and institutionally. We already are suffering from decades of low build rates for new homes. We are adding to our population at over 500k a year. Probably more. House prices out of control, massive pressure on energy costs. A failing NHS... People are already feeling the pinch all over the place. Starmer telling us we're goosed and he's gotta fix some foundations, Reeves banging on about black holes, maybe she's got a PhD in astrophysics as well as economics🤷♂️ People are a bit scared I think. And from what I'm seeing I can't really blame them. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 11:20:03 GMT
In comparison to the population of the nation a sell out Villa Park ain't a lot. What we should be doing in my view is sorting out their applications in France and using our forces to patrol the beaches on land and at sea over there. With drones it shouldn't be overly arduous 🤷 I get what you're saying about % ages and relative size. But you've got a background of a failing country. Our infrastructure is falling apart both physically and institutionally. We already are suffering from decades of low build rates for new homes. We are adding to our population at over 500k a year. Probably more. House prices out of control, massive pressure on energy costs. A failing NHS... People are already feeling the pinch all over the place. Starmer telling us we're goosed and he's gotta fix some foundations, Reeves banging on about black holes, maybe she's got a PhD in astrophysics as well as economics🤷♂️ People are a bit scared I think. And from what I'm seeing I can't really blame them. I totally agree. We've just had 14 years of a government that made decisions largely for their mates and their own pockets instead of for the good of the population they were there to serve. I don't know if Starmer and co can fix it, I doubt it, but then I doubt anyone could, given it was such a fucking mess they made. If people are a bit scared I think they'd be a bit scared with or without the extra penny on their £2k credit card bill 🤷 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 11:27:35 GMT
I get what you're saying about % ages and relative size. But you've got a background of a failing country. Our infrastructure is falling apart both physically and institutionally. We already are suffering from decades of low build rates for new homes. We are adding to our population at over 500k a year. Probably more. House prices out of control, massive pressure on energy costs. A failing NHS... People are already feeling the pinch all over the place. Starmer telling us we're goosed and he's gotta fix some foundations, Reeves banging on about black holes, maybe she's got a PhD in astrophysics as well as economics🤷♂️ People are a bit scared I think. And from what I'm seeing I can't really blame them. I totally agree. We've just had 14 years of a government that made decisions largely for their mates and their own pockets instead of for the good of the population they were there to serve. I don't know if Starmer and co can fix it, I doubt it, but then I doubt anyone could, given it was such a fucking mess they made. If people are a bit scared I think they'd be a bit scared with or without the extra penny on their £2k credit card bill 🤷 Fully agree about the last govt. But the way this last 6 months have gone I'd say starmer has effectively backed himself into a corner where his only last out of the mess is to supercharge housebuilding. And in order to do that he has to solve the planning system crisis. And for that I wish him all the luck in the world cos he's going to need it. And then he's going to have to hope that amongst all this population increase he's got an ample supply of tradesmen to actually build the things. I've my fingers crossed for him I genuinely do 🤞🤞🤞 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Dec 3, 2024 11:30:14 GMT
Try again I don’t. D- Must do better  What mark d'you think you should get for your maths? 🙂 Mate I think you’re getting a bit hung up on the maths thing. The point I was trying to make wasn’t about the sum it was simply me trying to say that there’s no funds left. Adding more however small the percentage will simply add to the problem. It’s easy saying it’s only 20000. That’s still a lot of people to pay for with money we don’t have or services that can’t accommodate the current population. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 11:31:27 GMT
I totally agree. We've just had 14 years of a government that made decisions largely for their mates and their own pockets instead of for the good of the population they were there to serve. I don't know if Starmer and co can fix it, I doubt it, but then I doubt anyone could, given it was such a fucking mess they made. If people are a bit scared I think they'd be a bit scared with or without the extra penny on their £2k credit card bill 🤷 Fully agree about the last govt. But the way this last 6 months have gone I'd say starmer has effectively backed himself into a corner where his only last out of the mess is to supercharge housebuilding. And in order to do that he has to solve the planning system crisis. And for that I wish him all the luck in the world cos he's going to need it. And then he's going to have to hope that amongst all this population increase he's got an ample supply of tradesmen to actually build the things. I've my fingers crossed for him I genuinely do 🤞🤞🤞 I agree Personally I'd happily live in a converted shipping container 🤷 How hard can that be, there must be millions of the buggers 🤔 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 11:35:08 GMT
Fully agree about the last govt. But the way this last 6 months have gone I'd say starmer has effectively backed himself into a corner where his only last out of the mess is to supercharge housebuilding. And in order to do that he has to solve the planning system crisis. And for that I wish him all the luck in the world cos he's going to need it. And then he's going to have to hope that amongst all this population increase he's got an ample supply of tradesmen to actually build the things. I've my fingers crossed for him I genuinely do 🤞🤞🤞 I agree Personally I'd happily live in a converted shipping container 🤷 How hard can that be, there must be millions of the buggers 🤔 Looks orate to me Ely. Fancy Rayners job 👍 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 3, 2024 11:39:29 GMT
I'd have thought you'd know maths in your job 🤔 How about the percentage of overall immigration they represent instead of the percentage increase of the overall population, would that be easier? Unless it's somewhat significant you're just shouting at clouds because Nigel is telling you to aren't you 🤔😉 I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird It isn't a matter of justification is it. 20,000 people chose to take their chances on a small boat to cross the English Channel. They just did it. So how do you stop them doing it? We don't have an agreement with the French to prevent the crossings and if we did they would still do it. We can't stop them mid Channel and return them to France without incurring the wrath of the French navy. We could sink the boats mid Channel and kill everyone on board. Believe it or not that might not be legal. We could resuscitate the Rwanda plan but the government won't because it was stupidly expensive, didn't work and is in breach of our international agreements. We could seek to promote peace and harmony in every country on the world to discpurage people from leaving places where they are under threat of imprisonment, torture and death. Lovely idea. Not going to happen. We could setup asylum processing centres near the countries where people are fleeing and process their applications before they risk their lives crossing the channel. Now we ate talking. So if we can't actually stop people arriving without doing something illegal how is it the government's fault they chose to make a dangerous journey to get here? The fact is they are getting here and we have to deal with it on the ground. The best we can do is setup processes to deal with the numbers arriving, process them as quickly as possible, get people with a valid claim into the workplace so they can pay there own way as quickly as possible and deport those that haven't got a valid claim as quickly as possible. And before anyone bleats about the strain on resources and assimilation blah blah blah in terms of overall immigration people coming over in boats is the tip of the iceberg. It is far easier for the government to quite legally control the numbers arriving here by the official routes. In fact any sane person who wants to control the overall numbrs arriving here would focus on that rather than the less than 10% of desperate people arriving here by boat. So if you are so concerned about this what exactly do you think the government can and should do about the problem? |
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Post by phileetin on Dec 3, 2024 12:14:13 GMT
I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird It isn't a matter of justification is it. 20,000 people chose to take their chances on a small boat to cross the English Channel. They just did it. So how do you stop them doing it? We don't have an agreement with the French to prevent the crossings and if we did they would still do it. We can't stop them mid Channel and return them to France without incurring the wrath of the French navy. We could sink the boats mid Channel and kill everyone on board. Believe it or not that might not be legal.We could resuscitate the Rwanda plan but the government won't because it was stupidly expensive, didn't work and is in breach of our international agreements. We could seek to promote peace and harmony in every country on the world to discpurage people from leaving places where they are under threat of imprisonment, torture and death. Lovely idea. Not going to happen. We could setup asylum processing centres near the countries where people are fleeing and process their applications before they risk their lives crossing the channel. Now we ate talking. So if we can't actually stop people arriving without doing something illegal how is it the government's fault they chose to make a dangerous journey to get here? The fact is they are getting here and we have to deal with it on the ground. The best we can do is setup processes to deal with the numbers arriving, process them as quickly as possible, get people with a valid claim into the workplace so they can pay there own way as quickly as possible and deport those that haven't got a valid claim as quickly as possible. And before anyone bleats about the strain on resources and assimilation blah blah blah in terms of overall immigration people coming over in boats is the tip of the iceberg. It is far easier for the government to quite legally control the numbers arriving here by the official routes. In fact any sane person who wants to control the overall numbrs arriving here would focus on that rather than the less than 10% of desperate people arriving here by boat. So if you are so concerned about this what exactly do you think the government can and should do about the problem? Easy , change the law to make that legal ? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 3, 2024 12:20:06 GMT
I totally agree. We've just had 14 years of a government that made decisions largely for their mates and their own pockets instead of for the good of the population they were there to serve. I don't know if Starmer and co can fix it, I doubt it, but then I doubt anyone could, given it was such a fucking mess they made. If people are a bit scared I think they'd be a bit scared with or without the extra penny on their £2k credit card bill 🤷 Fully agree about the last govt. But the way this last 6 months have gone I'd say starmer has effectively backed himself into a corner where his only last out of the mess is to supercharge housebuilding. And in order to do that he has to solve the planning system crisis. And for that I wish him all the luck in the world cos he's going to need it. And then he's going to have to hope that amongst all this population increase he's got an ample supply of tradesmen to actually build the things. I've my fingers crossed for him I genuinely do 🤞🤞🤞 It's not going to happen. Just this morning the construction press is estimating they'll fall short by at least 388,000 within their own targets and deadlines. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 12:35:39 GMT
Fully agree about the last govt. But the way this last 6 months have gone I'd say starmer has effectively backed himself into a corner where his only last out of the mess is to supercharge housebuilding. And in order to do that he has to solve the planning system crisis. And for that I wish him all the luck in the world cos he's going to need it. And then he's going to have to hope that amongst all this population increase he's got an ample supply of tradesmen to actually build the things. I've my fingers crossed for him I genuinely do 🤞🤞🤞 It's not going to happen. Just this morning the construction press is estimating they'll fall short by at least 388,000 within their own targets and deadlines. The govts numbers are just rhetoric anyway. What i am hoping for is not necessarily that they solve the planning crisis. That can't be done overnight anyway. But I am hoping they send a shock wave through the planning system that will stop authorities acting completely unreasonably because they are factoring in political matters. If an authority needs the numbers and a site is sustainable and is designed well and will make a positive contribution to an areas fortunes then it gets a consent. If bats need relocating then relocate them. Stop using minor issues to delay decisions for years and years. And stop spending millions accommodating bats on site when you've got 10s of thousands without a suitable house or worse sleeping rough. I'm just using bats as an example. I've nothing against bats btw. I just see humans as more of a priority. To be fair to Rayner she has already over turned a few bigger planning decisions. I hope she goes scorched earth to be honest. Might make my life a bit easier, so selfishly this is one I'm following fairly closely. Go on Ange 😉 |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 12:53:00 GMT
What mark d'you think you should get for your maths? 🙂 Mate I think you’re getting a bit hung up on the maths thing. The point I was trying to make wasn’t about the sum it was simply me trying to say that there’s no funds left. Adding more however small the percentage will simply add to the problem. It’s easy saying it’s only 20000. That’s still a lot of people to pay for with money we don’t have or services that can’t accommodate the current population. I only keep mentioning the 'maths thing' because you somehow magically turned half a pence into £20 😂 You don't need to get people to focus on the extra penny, the Tory client press will do that, as well as massage the figures so you don't have to 😉 What you mustn't do is throw any light on how we come to have the '£2k debt' in the first place, they don't like that, they did back the corrupt fuckers all the way through it after all 🤔 If you can turn half a pence into £20 irl you should quit your job 😉 |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 12:55:13 GMT
Nah you can have it, you know a lot more than me about the subject 🙂 I'll settle for nothing less than drugs minister so I can sort that particular shit show out once and for all 😀 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 13:44:16 GMT
Nah you can have it, you know a lot more than me about the subject 🙂 I'll settle for nothing less than drugs minister so I can sort that particular shit show out once and for all 😀 I could see you chilling on that front porch of the converted container enjoying a bowl or 2 Ely 😉 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 3, 2024 13:52:00 GMT
In comparison to the population of the nation a sell out Villa Park ain't a lot. What we should be doing in my view is sorting out their applications in France and using our forces to patrol the beaches on land and at sea over there. With drones it shouldn't be overly arduous 🤷 I get what you're saying about % ages and relative size. But you've got a background of a failing country. Our infrastructure is falling apart both physically and institutionally. We already are suffering from decades of low build rates for new homes. We are adding to our population at over 500k a year. Probably more. House prices out of control, massive pressure on energy costs. A failing NHS... People are already feeling the pinch all over the place. Starmer telling us we're goosed and he's gotta fix some foundations, Reeves banging on about black holes, maybe she's got a PhD in astrophysics as well as economics🤷♂️ People are a bit scared I think. And from what I'm seeing I can't really blame them. A reasonably summary. I just happen top think those people are looking in the wrong direction when it comes to who's to blame...... |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 3, 2024 13:52:12 GMT
Nah you can have it, you know a lot more than me about the subject 🙂 I'll settle for nothing less than drugs minister so I can sort that particular shit show out once and for all 😀 I could see you chilling on that front porch of the converted container enjoying a bowl or 2 Ely 😉 Haha, if it's ever warm enough 😀 I look at that land opposite Tesco's in Hanley and wonder how many could fit on the site 🤔 Stick containers around the perimeter 2 high and have a community space/allotment in the middle then offer residents the opportunity to have a stakehold in their residences by way of some sort of rent/buy arrangement. That should free up some funds to repeat the process. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 3, 2024 13:56:59 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 3, 2024 13:59:31 GMT
It isn't a matter of justification is it. 20,000 people chose to take their chances on a small boat to cross the English Channel. They just did it. So how do you stop them doing it? We don't have an agreement with the French to prevent the crossings and if we did they would still do it. We can't stop them mid Channel and return them to France without incurring the wrath of the French navy. We could sink the boats mid Channel and kill everyone on board. Believe it or not that might not be legal.We could resuscitate the Rwanda plan but the government won't because it was stupidly expensive, didn't work and is in breach of our international agreements. We could seek to promote peace and harmony in every country on the world to discpurage people from leaving places where they are under threat of imprisonment, torture and death. Lovely idea. Not going to happen. We could setup asylum processing centres near the countries where people are fleeing and process their applications before they risk their lives crossing the channel. Now we ate talking. So if we can't actually stop people arriving without doing something illegal how is it the government's fault they chose to make a dangerous journey to get here? The fact is they are getting here and we have to deal with it on the ground. The best we can do is setup processes to deal with the numbers arriving, process them as quickly as possible, get people with a valid claim into the workplace so they can pay there own way as quickly as possible and deport those that haven't got a valid claim as quickly as possible. And before anyone bleats about the strain on resources and assimilation blah blah blah in terms of overall immigration people coming over in boats is the tip of the iceberg. It is far easier for the government to quite legally control the numbers arriving here by the official routes. In fact any sane person who wants to control the overall numbrs arriving here would focus on that rather than the less than 10% of desperate people arriving here by boat. So if you are so concerned about this what exactly do you think the government can and should do about the problem? Easy , change the law to make that legal ? Fucking hell. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 14:05:31 GMT
I get what you're saying about % ages and relative size. But you've got a background of a failing country. Our infrastructure is falling apart both physically and institutionally. We already are suffering from decades of low build rates for new homes. We are adding to our population at over 500k a year. Probably more. House prices out of control, massive pressure on energy costs. A failing NHS... People are already feeling the pinch all over the place. Starmer telling us we're goosed and he's gotta fix some foundations, Reeves banging on about black holes, maybe she's got a PhD in astrophysics as well as economics🤷♂️ People are a bit scared I think. And from what I'm seeing I can't really blame them. A reasonably summary. I just happen top think those people are looking in the wrong direction when it comes to who's to blame...... You've probably got a point. But I get a feeling more and more people are starting to get this unravelling feeling. We feel like a country that's on its arse. Wherever you look something is broken or the system doesn't work. And the doom around black holes and there's no money and all labours current rhetoric and the optics its creating has got plenty of people spooked. Labour need some wins on the board to swing the narrative back to a position where it looks like there's something positive on the horizon. I just can't see it at the minute. And I think planning reform is his last chance to show some balls. Not his real balls, that'd be terrible optics 😆 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 14:14:56 GMT
I could see you chilling on that front porch of the converted container enjoying a bowl or 2 Ely 😉 Haha, if it's ever warm enough 😀 I look at that land opposite Tesco's in Hanley and wonder how many could fit on the site 🤔 Stick containers around the perimeter 2 high and have a community space/allotment in the middle then offer residents the opportunity to have a stakehold in their residences by way of some sort of rent/buy arrangement. That should free up some funds to repeat the process. Not sure how it would work on a mass scale to be honest. What with utilities and servicing. Let alone the nimbys talking about metal container towns etc. But maybe done correctly at a smaller scale in suitable locations if designed cleverly it could work. Could maybe become a niche market if presented correctly. Or could allow some properties with suitably sized gardens to create a house for a family member to take some pressure off housing demand. Definitely an avenue worthy of consideration for sure. Might not be the answer but could help in a small way 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Northy on Dec 3, 2024 14:28:58 GMT
He wouldn't say no, low standards that one  |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 3, 2024 14:30:28 GMT
He wouldn't say no, low standards that one To be fair I'd take Ange out for a drink or 2. Reckon she'd be a good laugh. |
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 3, 2024 17:06:16 GMT
I don't know why anyone on the planet can even try or want to find any angle to justify 20,000 people coming on an inflatable boat since July. It's fucking weird It isn't a matter of justification is it. 20,000 people chose to take their chances on a small boat to cross the English Channel. They just did it. So how do you stop them doing it? We don't have an agreement with the French to prevent the crossings and if we did they would still do it. We can't stop them mid Channel and return them to France without incurring the wrath of the French navy. We could sink the boats mid Channel and kill everyone on board. Believe it or not that might not be legal. We could resuscitate the Rwanda plan but the government won't because it was stupidly expensive, didn't work and is in breach of our international agreements. We could seek to promote peace and harmony in every country on the world to discpurage people from leaving places where they are under threat of imprisonment, torture and death. Lovely idea. Not going to happen. We could setup asylum processing centres near the countries where people are fleeing and process their applications before they risk their lives crossing the channel. Now we ate talking. So if we can't actually stop people arriving without doing something illegal how is it the government's fault they chose to make a dangerous journey to get here? The fact is they are getting here and we have to deal with it on the ground. The best we can do is setup processes to deal with the numbers arriving, process them as quickly as possible, get people with a valid claim into the workplace so they can pay there own way as quickly as possible and deport those that haven't got a valid claim as quickly as possible. And before anyone bleats about the strain on resources and assimilation blah blah blah in terms of overall immigration people coming over in boats is the tip of the iceberg. It is far easier for the government to quite legally control the numbers arriving here by the official routes. In fact any sane person who wants to control the overall numbrs arriving here would focus on that rather than the less than 10% of desperate people arriving here by boat. So if you are so concerned about this what exactly do you think the government can and should do about the problem? I'd probably not put them up in a 4star hotel, let them rock around on a deliveroo bikes and provide free access to healthcare. We are a golden goose. Thats why they pass through about 10 suitable countries before risking a sub-degree death in a vessel suitable for bathtime with a 3 year old. Turn the boats back immediately and plonk them right back in France or wherever they come from. It's been done before in Australia in Operation Soverign Borders and it literally won Tony Abbott the election there. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 3, 2024 18:00:02 GMT
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 3, 2024 19:26:32 GMT
All sons, brothers, uncles and cousins of people who already live here, of course. |
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