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Post by mrcoke on Nov 22, 2022 15:55:39 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 22, 2022 16:09:50 GMT
Hardly surprising and with that attitude it explains the perceived French inactivity around the boats then. Will it be investigated further and charges considered…..I wonder. At least now our Border Force are colocating with the French to help them, so problem solved. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 22, 2022 17:09:35 GMT
You can't beat a bit of cognitive dissonance!
I've seen enough comments on here that our navy shouldn't help migrants, should turn the boats away, and worse.
When the French do that, bloody savages!
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Post by wannabee on Nov 22, 2022 17:31:38 GMT
I find it particularly distasteful that you would try and make a Political Point on the back of 27 Asylum Seekers Drowning... particularly as its likely to be untrue It would be wise to wait the Official Reports which seem to be dragging on interminably The DfT acknowledged in June that an Internal MAIB Inquiry was insufficient and ordered an Article 2 Inquiry but we don't even have a date for when this will being one year after the tragedy In the meantime the least MAIB could do would be to contact the families of the Victims to let them know what's happening... if anything www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/19/inquiry-into-worst-channel-disaster-for-30-years-fails-to-contact-victims-families |
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Post by hoffgreen on Nov 24, 2022 11:08:40 GMT
So according to the ONS 500 thousand net immigration to Britain last year alone.
That is the official number but is more likely way more.
This is totally and completely unsustainable both economically and culturally.
Our politicians over the last 60 odd years have totally and utterly betrayed the indigenous peoples of these islands.
We were warned of this many years ago and those that spoke out were met with ridicule and being cancelled.
It's ok to be considered native or indigenous in other countries though if your skin isn't white.
Why are Scots, Welsh, Irish, English any different?
These islands are our ancestral homelands that were handed down century after century through toil, bloodshed and labour...
What a mess this country is.
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Post by knype on Nov 24, 2022 11:12:45 GMT
I find it particularly distasteful that you would try and make a Political Point on the back of 27 Asylum Seekers Drowning... particularly as its likely to be untrue It would be wise to wait the Official Reports which seem to be dragging on interminably The DfT acknowledged in June that an Internal MAIB Inquiry was insufficient and ordered an Article 2 Inquiry but we don't even have a date for when this will being one year after the tragedy In the meantime the least MAIB could do would be to contact the families of the Victims to let them know what's happening... if anything www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/19/inquiry-into-worst-channel-disaster-for-30-years-fails-to-contact-victims-familiesWould they be able to find the victims families as apparently most destroy all their documents and identities before they set off? |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2022 11:25:09 GMT
I find it particularly distasteful that you would try and make a Political Point on the back of 27 Asylum Seekers Drowning... particularly as its likely to be untrue It would be wise to wait the Official Reports which seem to be dragging on interminably The DfT acknowledged in June that an Internal MAIB Inquiry was insufficient and ordered an Article 2 Inquiry but we don't even have a date for when this will being one year after the tragedy In the meantime the least MAIB could do would be to contact the families of the Victims to let them know what's happening... if anything www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/19/inquiry-into-worst-channel-disaster-for-30-years-fails-to-contact-victims-familiesWould they be able to find the victims families as apparently most destroy all their documents and identities before they set off? MAIB have and acknowledge they have contact details for all the Victims Families, its in the Article if you read it MAIB say they will be contacting the Victims Families in the next few weeks, no hurry then. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2022 12:24:25 GMT
So according to the ONS 500 thousand net immigration to Britain last year alone. That is the official number but is more likely way more. This is totally and completely unsustainable both economically and culturally. Our politicians over the last 60 odd years have totally and utterly betrayed the indigenous peoples of these islands. We were warned of this many years ago and those that spoke out were met with ridicule and being cancelled. It's ok to be considered native or indigenous in other countries though if your skin isn't white. Why are Scots, Welsh, Irish, English any different? These islands are our ancestral homelands that were handed down century after century through toil, bloodshed and labour... What a mess this country is. Imagine voting for something because you thought it would control your borders, then finding that it's done nothing of the sort. Would make you wonder whether all the rest of the 'benefits' that were promised were also complete bollocks, wouldn't it? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 13:21:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 24, 2022 13:49:57 GMT
So according to the ONS 500 thousand net immigration to Britain last year alone. That is the official number but is more likely way more. This is totally and completely unsustainable both economically and culturally. Our politicians over the last 60 odd years have totally and utterly betrayed the indigenous peoples of these islands. We were warned of this many years ago and those that spoke out were met with ridicule and being cancelled. It's ok to be considered native or indigenous in other countries though if your skin isn't white. Why are Scots, Welsh, Irish, English any different? These islands are our ancestral homelands that were handed down century after century through toil, bloodshed and labour... What a mess this country is.  |
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Post by knype on Nov 24, 2022 13:51:38 GMT
So according to the ONS 500 thousand net immigration to Britain last year alone. That is the official number but is more likely way more. This is totally and completely unsustainable both economically and culturally. Our politicians over the last 60 odd years have totally and utterly betrayed the indigenous peoples of these islands. We were warned of this many years ago and those that spoke out were met with ridicule and being cancelled. It's ok to be considered native or indigenous in other countries though if your skin isn't white. Why are Scots, Welsh, Irish, English any different? These islands are our ancestral homelands that were handed down century after century through toil, bloodshed and labour... What a mess this country is. Imagine voting for something because you thought it would control your borders, then finding that it's done nothing of the sort. Would make you wonder whether all the rest of the 'benefits' that were promised were also complete bollocks, wouldn't it? Clueless |
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Post by knype on Nov 24, 2022 13:57:42 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs. Which side of the fence is Keith sitting on today regarding this issue? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 14:02:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs. Which side of the fence is Keith sitting on today regarding this issue? Neither. There are no fences anymore if those stats are anything to go by. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2022 14:03:09 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs. So they've controlled the borders  |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 14:10:27 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs. So they've controlled the borders This doesn't look controlled to me  |
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2022 14:19:05 GMT
The rise is driven by people arriving legally from outside the EU and the resumption of post-pandemic travel.Reception of Afghan and Ukrainian refugees and people from Hong Kong are other factors.So they've controlled the borders This doesn't look controlled to me Yep, that bit is uncontrolled, hence the winky face, but that is less than a tenth of the quoted figure which was all legal migration which is controlled. People were moaning that we didn't move quick enough to get Afghans and Ukrainians' into the system weren't they ? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 14:28:34 GMT
This doesn't look controlled to me Yep, that bit is uncontrolled, hence the winky face, but that is less than a tenth of the quoted figure which was all legal migration which is controlled. People were moaning that we didn't move quick enough to get Afghans and Ukrainians' into the system weren't they ? But migration between UK and EU was also legal before brexit too. Difference is we are now grasping at straws with trade deals and making immigration easier to get said trade deals. Look at the deal with India for example. So we haven't got any more control of our borders because illegal immigration is on the rise. And just like before when free movement of people was one of the terms to be in the EU. We're effectively doing the same with other countries in a desperate attempt to get trade deals. And long and behold immigration is on the rise. Along with illegal immigration too. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2022 14:40:23 GMT
Imagine voting for something because you thought it would control your borders, then finding that it's done nothing of the sort. Would make you wonder whether all the rest of the 'benefits' that were promised were also complete bollocks, wouldn't it? Clueless Name five Brexit benefits, knype  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2022 14:41:28 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs. Which side of the fence is Keith sitting on today regarding this issue? I think the analogy is that you sit on the fence so you don't take a side, but good try...  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 24, 2022 15:09:55 GMT
Which side of the fence is Keith sitting on today regarding this issue? Neither. There are no fences anymore if those stats are anything to go by. 😁 Can’t do right for allegedly doing wrong You’re slating a Tory government for showing compassion for once and allowing in Afghans after bidens surrender and Ukrainians after putins unpleasant jolly Oh and then there’s the influx from Hong kong which is yet again the government doing right with British passport holders Take that off the figures and it’s hardly record breaking Especially when there’s two hundred and fifty thousand students also in the figures |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2022 15:24:16 GMT
This doesn't look controlled to me Yep, that bit is uncontrolled, hence the winky face, but that is less than a tenth of the quoted figure which was all legal migration which is controlled. People were moaning that we didn't move quick enough to get Afghans and Ukrainians' into the system weren't they ? In the year to 30th June 2022 under review "Illegal Immigration" which on past statistics 75% become legal and the remaining 25% just hang around accounts for 7% of Net Migration but accounts for 99% of Tory Immigration Narrative. Braverman doesn't want any Hunt and CBI wants loads. What an omnishambles Of 7,000 odd Albanian Boat people 50 have been processed 560,000 have bailed out of UK of which 90k are Brits So that's a switcheroo with the Boat People Another Switcheroo is a large drop in EU Students, who would normally return to home Country after Graduation more than compensated with an even larger increase in ROW Students primarily from India the further lure is an extention of Visas for 2/3 years after Graduation Will they become Permanent Residents, time will tell Was this "Getting Brexit Done" or "Taking Back Control" I'm confused |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2022 15:28:15 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259Record breakers. Vote tory to stop uncontrolled immigration they said. Vote brexit to get control of our borders they said. Break all time immigration records. And this is the party which is going to sort the immigration crisis. Vote tory so Farage can get a new foreign Mrs. So they've controlled the borders That's a bit disingenuous mate. We've stopped people who were legally (through freedom of movement) coming from the EU and replaced them by increasing the number of people who are legally coming from elsewhere. That's not taking control of our borders, that's still allowing huge numbers in, whilst we lose the benefits of being members of the single market. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 15:50:24 GMT
Neither. There are no fences anymore if those stats are anything to go by. 😁 Can’t do right for allegedly doing wrong You’re slating a Tory government for showing compassion for once and allowing in Afghans after bidens surrender and Ukrainians after putins unpleasant jolly Oh and then there’s the influx from Hong kong which is yet again the government doing right with British passport holders Take that off the figures and it’s hardly record breaking Especially when there’s two hundred and fifty thousand students also in the figures I wouldn't say I'm slating. I'm merely pointing out facts. I thought immigration was one of the main issues for Conservative voters and they voted tory as the party which they can entrust to get it under control? Like you said yourself it was one of the main incentives for brexit. Has your opinion changed since posting the below?: You say you posted the evidence of immigrants being net contributors That to many is not the problem I personally have always found immigrants hard working the trouble is the sheer amount of them has left people not being able to go to the doctors People can’t get there children or grandchildren in to school There has been a increasing problem with sufficient housing with demand increasing rents above affordable levels All of this is a direct result of mass immigration there has simply been to many to quick to meet the infrastructure that was already there Hopefully this explains a lot of people’s frustration and problems And hopefully you are not to blind to realise this Which all points to inadequate funding Are you being intentionally stupid on some monumental wind up Or do you just not understand In the last ten years we have approximately 3 million net migration to the uk It takes ten years to train a GP no amount of money can speed the process up You would have to build around 2 million houses in ten years just to stand still That does not include relationship breakdowns children leaving home ect How long does it take to build a primary school form locating the land planning and the build itself ? It is sod all to do with the lack of investment And is caused by the Blair government opening the doors to unlimited migration In a attempt to ensure a permanent labour government There's a big difference between eu immigrants who tend to come here and work and then return to their home nation and non-eu immigrants who come forever, raise families and die here, costing the state a fortune. We 100% control the later yet let more in. Leaving the EU does not sort any immigration issue. Using the law to control immigrants, which we could do right now from wherever they have come, is what is needed, combined with proper funding. There is no difference they still need housing they still fall ill they still need dentists They have children who need. school I have no problem with immigration in general but not in the amount that causes a stain on the infrastructure I see you didn’t comment on Blair’s free for all There are many quotes but this is enough for now. And then we have this gem on illegal immigration and brexit: Should we leave those international courts the majority yes The only law that should apply to a British citizen is the law of the uk or the law of the country in which they reside You claim the illegal immigration will not go down but one thing that will rise is are ability to deport the illegal immigrants Anyway the problem of illegal immigration is caused by your beloved European Union If the countries of the eu upheld there own agreements there wouldn’t be a single person waiting in a channel camp they should have to apply for asylum in the first point of safety One of the reasons people voted to leave was the fact that European countries ignore the rules and laws as it suits them So if illegal immigration is caused by "your beloved eu". Why is it now at record levels having left the beloved EU? From what I gather wagastokie. It appears you don't actually have any morales or principals. You flip and flap and just tow the tory line on whatever they do. One minute the immigrants are hard working but the issue is the infrastructure to support them. The next minute the issue is illegal immigrants and the beloved eu are the problem causing that. And now you suddenly believe in compassion and anyone should be welcomed in? I presume you'd then be supportive of an agreement with the EU to allow the free movement of people again? And as for those from Hong Kong, Ukraine and Afghanistan. I'm sure you're aware these aren't the first countries to experience conflict and have refugees. So it's not the anomaly you portray it as. But my question to you would be. How do you know they are all genuine? They could just be Turks, Iraqis or Isis members pretending to be from Afghanistan or Ukraine. Couldn't they? It looks like some of those numbers must be wrong. There are about 10-11 million refugees indicated; but the population has only dropped 5 million. That would indicate that the Syrian population increased by over 20% in eight years during a bloody civil war. Unless the conflict is attracting fighters like Warhammer Orks (and they are being counted as part of the population) that appears unlikely. On the original point it would be interesting to find out why people are trying the crossing. I like England as much as the next bloke but I wouldn't say it was so much better than France I'd risk my life to get from one to the other. The five million extra Syrians Simple they are just Iranian , Iraqi Jordanian and turks that have conveniently become Syrians for the purpose of commercial gain And if they are genuine. Surely it's easier for them to claim asylum in the nearest country to them? No? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6877043/threadoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6877043/threadIt could be argued that you're appearing to be quite the hypocrite right now. Anyway back in line for you. Read the Mail. And regurgitate the tory stance like a good boy. I guess this is why people like me are "woke". Because we can think for ourselves rather than sleepwalking with words put in our mouths by Mr Murdoch. I guess this is where I drop the mic now. Checkmate. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 24, 2022 16:24:08 GMT
😁 Can’t do right for allegedly doing wrong You’re slating a Tory government for showing compassion for once and allowing in Afghans after bidens surrender and Ukrainians after putins unpleasant jolly Oh and then there’s the influx from Hong kong which is yet again the government doing right with British passport holders Take that off the figures and it’s hardly record breaking Especially when there’s two hundred and fifty thousand students also in the figures I wouldn't say I'm slating. I'm merely pointing out facts. I thought immigration was one of the main issues for Conservative voters and they voted tory as the party which they can entrust to get it under control? Like you said yourself it was one of the main incentives for brexit. Has your opinion changed since posting the below?: You say you posted the evidence of immigrants being net contributors That to many is not the problem I personally have always found immigrants hard working the trouble is the sheer amount of them has left people not being able to go to the doctors People can’t get there children or grandchildren in to school There has been a increasing problem with sufficient housing with demand increasing rents above affordable levels All of this is a direct result of mass immigration there has simply been to many to quick to meet the infrastructure that was already there Hopefully this explains a lot of people’s frustration and problems And hopefully you are not to blind to realise this Are you being intentionally stupid on some monumental wind up Or do you just not understand In the last ten years we have approximately 3 million net migration to the uk It takes ten years to train a GP no amount of money can speed the process up You would have to build around 2 million houses in ten years just to stand still That does not include relationship breakdowns children leaving home ect How long does it take to build a primary school form locating the land planning and the build itself ? It is sod all to do with the lack of investment And is caused by the Blair government opening the doors to unlimited migration In a attempt to ensure a permanent labour government There is no difference they still need housing they still fall ill they still need dentists They have children who need. school I have no problem with immigration in general but not in the amount that causes a stain on the infrastructure I see you didn’t comment on Blair’s free for all There are many quotes but this is enough for now. And then we have this gem on illegal immigration and brexit: Anyway the problem of illegal immigration is caused by your beloved European Union If the countries of the eu upheld there own agreements there wouldn’t be a single person waiting in a channel camp they should have to apply for asylum in the first point of safety One of the reasons people voted to leave was the fact that European countries ignore the rules and laws as it suits them So if illegal immigration is caused by "your beloved eu". Why is it now at record levels having left the beloved EU? From what I gather wagastokie. It appears you don't actually have any morales or principals. You flip and flap and just tow the tory line on whatever they do. One minute the immigrants are hard working but the issue is the infrastructure to support them. The next minute the issue is illegal immigrants and the beloved eu are the problem causing that. And now you suddenly believe in compassion and anyone should be welcomed in? I presume you'd then be supportive of an agreement with the EU to allow the free movement of people again? And as for those from Hong Kong, Ukraine and Afghanistan. I'm sure you're aware these aren't the first countries to experience conflict and have refugees. So it's not the anomaly you portray it as. But my question to you would be. How do you know they are all genuine? They could just be Turks, Iraqis or Isis members pretending to be from Afghanistan or Ukraine. Couldn't they? The five million extra Syrians Simple they are just Iranian , Iraqi Jordanian and turks that have conveniently become Syrians for the purpose of commercial gain And if they are genuine. Surely it's easier for them to claim asylum in the nearest country to them? No? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6877043/threadoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6877043/threadIt could be argued that you're appearing to be quite the hypocrite right now. Anyway back in line for you. Read the Mail. And regurgitate the tory stance like a good boy. I guess this is why people like me are "woke". Because we can think for ourselves rather than sleepwalking with words put in our mouths by Mr Murdoch. I guess this is where I drop the mic now. Checkmate. No my opinion hasn’t changed overall I still hold to the opinion that overall migrants are hard working There was and still are to many arriving without the infrastructure being improved to accommodate them This to me is a exceptional year due to the events in my post above I will predict that the net numbers will fall dramatically from this years artificial high This country should offer asylum to anyone facing oppression it is only right to do so And there should be a method for people to do so without risking there lives on a dodgy inflatable As for economic migration that is entirely a different matter and should be assessed purely on the country’s need at the time |
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2022 16:43:15 GMT
Yep, that bit is uncontrolled, hence the winky face, but that is less than a tenth of the quoted figure which was all legal migration which is controlled. People were moaning that we didn't move quick enough to get Afghans and Ukrainians' into the system weren't they ? But migration between UK and EU was also legal before brexit too. Difference is we are now grasping at straws with trade deals and making immigration easier to get said trade deals. Look at the deal with India for example. So we haven't got any more control of our borders because illegal immigration is on the rise. And just like before when free movement of people was one of the terms to be in the EU. We're effectively doing the same with other countries in a desperate attempt to get trade deals. And long and behold immigration is on the rise. Along with illegal immigration too. You will find that the majority of this time is a one off from Ukraine and Hong Kong, 50% of the numbers |
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2022 16:45:53 GMT
The rise is driven by people arriving legally from outside the EU and the resumption of post-pandemic travel.Reception of Afghan and Ukrainian refugees and people from Hong Kong are other factors.So they've controlled the borders That's a bit disingenuous mate. We've stopped people who were legally (through freedom of movement) coming from the EU and replaced them by increasing the number of people who are legally coming from elsewhere. That's not taking control of our borders, that's still allowing huge numbers in, whilst we lose the benefits of being members of the single market. If you read the report there is a large number from Ukraine and Hong Kong |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2022 16:51:37 GMT
That's a bit disingenuous mate. We've stopped people who were legally (through freedom of movement) coming from the EU and replaced them by increasing the number of people who are legally coming from elsewhere. That's not taking control of our borders, that's still allowing huge numbers in, whilst we lose the benefits of being members of the single market. If you read the report there is a large number from Ukraine and Hong Kong And? Over a million people have emigrated to the UK this year, legally, that's not taking control of our borders and you know it. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2022 16:59:33 GMT
If you read the report there is a large number from Ukraine and Hong Kong And? Over a million people have emigrated to the UK this year, legally, that's not taking control of our borders and you know it. Over a million, I thought the report was just over 500k. Take off 250k, from hong kong 70k and Ukraine 177k, that leaves about 250k, 50k illegals on the boats, it's down to 200k If they are here legally then they have been controlled, haven't they? It's not what they said about getting it down to 10's of thousands I agree, and where are we supposed to put all these people when we can't house our own grown up children and families properly. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 17:01:04 GMT
But migration between UK and EU was also legal before brexit too. Difference is we are now grasping at straws with trade deals and making immigration easier to get said trade deals. Look at the deal with India for example. So we haven't got any more control of our borders because illegal immigration is on the rise. And just like before when free movement of people was one of the terms to be in the EU. We're effectively doing the same with other countries in a desperate attempt to get trade deals. And long and behold immigration is on the rise. Along with illegal immigration too. You will find that the majority of this time is a one off from Ukraine and Hong Kong, 50% of the numbers It's not 50% of the numbers though. You've got to remember the report is on net migration which is immigration minus emigration. If we look at immigration alone there is over 1.1 million and that will likely reach 1.3 million by the end of the year. Of those 1.1 million. 170k are from Ukraine and 76k are from Hong Kong. That is less than 25% of the total figure. Take out both groups and you have over 800k immigrants which is still a record number. You can compare it to other years looking here - www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/08/25/immigration-at-all-time-record-level-with-record-1-1-million-visas-issued-to-come-and-live-in-the-ukThis is simply a tory government trying to blame global problems on their failings once again. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 24, 2022 17:03:16 GMT
I wouldn't say I'm slating. I'm merely pointing out facts. I thought immigration was one of the main issues for Conservative voters and they voted tory as the party which they can entrust to get it under control? Like you said yourself it was one of the main incentives for brexit. Has your opinion changed since posting the below?: There are many quotes but this is enough for now. And then we have this gem on illegal immigration and brexit: So if illegal immigration is caused by "your beloved eu". Why is it now at record levels having left the beloved EU? From what I gather wagastokie. It appears you don't actually have any morales or principals. You flip and flap and just tow the tory line on whatever they do. One minute the immigrants are hard working but the issue is the infrastructure to support them. The next minute the issue is illegal immigrants and the beloved eu are the problem causing that. And now you suddenly believe in compassion and anyone should be welcomed in? I presume you'd then be supportive of an agreement with the EU to allow the free movement of people again? And as for those from Hong Kong, Ukraine and Afghanistan. I'm sure you're aware these aren't the first countries to experience conflict and have refugees. So it's not the anomaly you portray it as. But my question to you would be. How do you know they are all genuine? They could just be Turks, Iraqis or Isis members pretending to be from Afghanistan or Ukraine. Couldn't they? And if they are genuine. Surely it's easier for them to claim asylum in the nearest country to them? No? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6877043/threadoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6877043/threadIt could be argued that you're appearing to be quite the hypocrite right now. Anyway back in line for you. Read the Mail. And regurgitate the tory stance like a good boy. I guess this is why people like me are "woke". Because we can think for ourselves rather than sleepwalking with words put in our mouths by Mr Murdoch. I guess this is where I drop the mic now. Checkmate. No my opinion hasn’t changed overall I still hold to the opinion that overall migrants are hard working There was and still are to many arriving without the infrastructure being improved to accommodate them This to me is a exceptional year due to the events in my post above I will predict that the net numbers will fall dramatically from this years artificial high This country should offer asylum to anyone facing oppression it is only right to do so And there should be a method for people to do so without risking there lives on a dodgy inflatable As for economic migration that is entirely a different matter and should be assessed purely on the country’s need at the time If its an exception due to immigrants from Ukraine and Hong Kong. Then why do we have a record number of immigrants coming in even when you subtract those from Ukraine and HK? |
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