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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 8:42:57 GMT
So you are unhappy at the neighbours of the family for the way they described them in this interview? What has the state or the media done to gaslight you? They have interviewed neighbours and used their quotes that’s all. It is standard journalism. I imagine he kept his ricin making unknown to his neighbours. Terrorists don’t walk around with a sign on their head saying “I am a terrorist “. They hide in plain sight. So, again, how have you been misled? So you've been proven wrong... again. Just admit you make a mistake Oggy now and again. You asked for links. I duly obliged. I know you deep down want to say sorry. I'll accept it. What facts in that story were wrong? What precisely do you feel misled by? |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 8:43:52 GMT
So you've been proven wrong... again. Just admit you make a mistake Oggy now and again. You asked for links. I duly obliged. I know you deep down want to say sorry. I'll accept it. What facts in that story were wrong? What precisely do you feel misled by? The fact he's not a lovely Altar boy but a terrorist was slightly misleading to be honest. It's okay so be wrong now and again Oggy. As the oatcake poundland lawyer I am sure your virtuous knows no bounds but it's okay. I accept. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 8:45:38 GMT
What facts in that story were wrong? What precisely do you feel misled by? The fact he's not a lovely Altar boy but a terrorist was slightly misleading to be honest. Nobody said he was a lovely altar boy though. That’s all in your head. Also if people knew he were a terrorist, don’t you think he would have been arrested before the murders? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 30, 2024 8:47:01 GMT
"We have worked extensively with partners to establish that there was a low to very low risk to the public – and I want to make that reassurance clear today. I can also tell you that there was no ricin present at Hart Street.“When the ricin was discovered, all necessary steps were taken so we could be sure that no one was at risk. This was a multi-agency response. Expert advice, and guidance was received and adhered to throughout the investigation. “In the following days Merseyside Police worked closely with partners including: Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service (MFRS); North West Ambulance Service (NWAS); Sefton Council; Lancashire Police; West Lancashire Borough Council; Counter Terrorism Policing North West (CTPNW); Counter Terrorism Policing (CTP); UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA); Crown Prosecution Service (CPS); NHS England; National CBRN Centre; Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl), and the Ministry of Defence to identify if there was any risk to victims, local communities, or the specialist professionals in attendance at Hart Street and Old School Close.
“At this point it is particularly appropriate to recognise the support we have received from the emergency services, the local authority, and Counter Terrorism Policing. That support has included forensics experts and digital investigators. This was in place from the initial stages of the investigation and remains ongoing.
“I want to reassure our communities that we continue to work in partnership with all our partners and are absolutely committed to keeping our communities safe.
“At this time, Counter Terrorism Policing has not declared the attack on Monday 29 July a terrorist incident. I recognise that the new charges, may lead to speculation. The matter for which Axel Rudakubana has been charged with under the Terrorism Act does not require motive to be established. For a matter to be declared a terrorist incident, motivation would need to be established."Presumably, if those on the right want to peddle the narrative that the police were deliberately keeping things from them, then they also need to accept that they are in actual fact asking the Police to prejudice any trial and allow the very people they claim to be against to perpetrate their crimes safe in the knowledge that the people who claim to be against them, are in actual fact wanting them to get off with it. And I genuinely cannot understand why certain people on here fail to grasp this fundamental principle of the law. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 8:47:31 GMT
What facts in that story were wrong? What precisely do you feel misled by? The fact he's not a lovely Altar boy but a terrorist was slightly misleading to be honest. It's okay so be wrong now and again Oggy. As the oatcake poundland lawyer I am sure your virtuous knows no bounds but it's okay. I accept. Try not to get personal. Try to address the point. Who said he was an altar boy? Also are altar boys immune from radicalisation? If so, we beed to learn from them how. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 8:48:31 GMT
The fact he's not a lovely Altar boy but a terrorist was slightly misleading to be honest. Nobody said he was a lovely altar boy though. That’s all in your head. Also if people knew he were a terrorist, don’t you think he would have been arrested before the murders? I'd like to think he would have been yeah. I'd actually have a significant bet that he was on some form of watch list. Not that we will ever know mind with this government. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 8:51:08 GMT
Nobody said he was a lovely altar boy though. That’s all in your head. Also if people knew he were a terrorist, don’t you think he would have been arrested before the murders? I'd like to think he would have been yeah. I'd actually have a significant bet that he was on some form of watch list. Not that we will ever know mind with this government. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that you were misled? Why do you think the public should be made aware of who is on watchlists!? You don’t understand national security at all!? We cannot go around sharing information like that. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 8:51:41 GMT
The fact he's not a lovely Altar boy but a terrorist was slightly misleading to be honest. It's okay so be wrong now and again Oggy. As the oatcake poundland lawyer I am sure your virtuous knows no bounds but it's okay. I accept. Try not to get personal. Try to address the point. Who said he was an altar boy? Also are altar boys immune from radicalisation? If so, we beed to learn from them how. I'd say there are ZERO cases of a Christian Altar boys performing multiple mass murder on children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 30, 2024 8:53:21 GMT
I wonder how the case is coming along of the Manchester Airport family🤔
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 8:53:31 GMT
I'd like to think he would have been yeah. I'd actually have a significant bet that he was on some form of watch list. Not that we will ever know mind with this government. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that you were misled? I did, I shared the first link from Google doing a profile. Instead of acknowledging that it looks, feels and has the hallmarks of a sickening act of terror. We got he's a lovely singer, likes Karate and a cuddle with his mum. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 8:53:34 GMT
Try not to get personal. Try to address the point. Who said he was an altar boy? Also are altar boys immune from radicalisation? If so, we beed to learn from them how. I'd say there are ZERO cases of a Christian Altar boys performing multiple mass murder on children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. Perhaps. But who said this person is an altar boy other than you? How were you misled? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 8:55:30 GMT
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that you were misled? I did, I shared the first link from Google doing a profile. Instead of acknowledging that it looks, feels and has the hallmarks of a sickening act of terror. We got he's a lovely singer, likes Karate and a cuddle with his mum. How do you know he doesn’t like karate and cuddles with his mum? Why can’t terrorists be good at singing? All those points are quotes from people who supposedly knew the family. How do you know they were wrong? Why didn’t you tell the police he was a terrorist before the murders if you knew about all this? You could have stopped them. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 9:03:25 GMT
I did, I shared the first link from Google doing a profile. Instead of acknowledging that it looks, feels and has the hallmarks of a sickening act of terror. We got he's a lovely singer, likes Karate and a cuddle with his mum. How do you know he doesn’t like karate and cuddles with his mum? Why can’t terrorists be good at singing? All those points are quotes from people who supposedly knew the family. How do you know they were wrong? Why didn’t you tell the police he was a terrorist before the murders if you knew about all this? You could have stopped them. I hope he is praying for cuddles with his mum whilst getting dry bummed with a rolled up copy of The Guardian by 1000 inmates. I provided you a link. You recieved. Leave it there. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 9:08:04 GMT
How do you know he doesn’t like karate and cuddles with his mum? Why can’t terrorists be good at singing? All those points are quotes from people who supposedly knew the family. How do you know they were wrong? Why didn’t you tell the police he was a terrorist before the murders if you knew about all this? You could have stopped them. I hope he is praying for cuddles with his mum whilst getting dry bummed with a rolled up copy of The Guardian by 1000 inmates. I provided you a link. You recieved. Leave it there. But the link isn’t misleading. You have got it in your head that he was something he isn’t. It doesn’t shock me at all that he is a completely messed up human. Why it shocks you I don’t know? |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 9:11:51 GMT
I hope he is praying for cuddles with his mum whilst getting dry bummed with a rolled up copy of The Guardian by 1000 inmates. I provided you a link. You recieved. Leave it there. But the link isn’t misleading. You have got it in your head that he was something he isn’t. It doesn’t shock me at all that he is a completely messed up human. Why it shocks you I don’t know? What annoys people Oggy, is even when prevented with hard evidence of what you requested. And it happens on the right as well as the left. (Not as often) You can't just say, yeah sorry didn't see this article. Or, yeah this one probably is a bit much when dealing with a Child, terrorist killer. I don't get it. |
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Post by phileetin on Oct 30, 2024 9:14:33 GMT
this gov't definitely appears to be suppressing info in favour of their preferred electorate
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 30, 2024 9:32:19 GMT
I can’t find any of these reports or interviews either. Nobody was misled. The police shouldn’t jeopardise on going investigations by sharing all their information with the public in case some sensitive souls may get upset about it coming out later. The first article I've come across. As well as yesterday still using photos of an innocent little boy In this article alone... 'A quiet boy who is clingy to his mum.' 'No problems a friendly couple with two little boys." “heavily involved with the local church”, they would often hear singing from their house. Rudakubana has a background in musical theatre. Try as they might to paint this lovely little lad a Christian Altar boy. Turns out he's cooking Ricin and reading Al Qaeda manuals. It was also reported he had an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis and had become withdrawn and uncommunicative prior to the incident. It has yet to be determined whether what he did was as a result of being radicalised or due to mental health issues or a bit of both. There is certainly no evidence he was part of a group and acted as part of some terrorist plot. If anything this reminds me of the Brianna Ghey incident- a brutal senseless act by a disturbed adolescent. It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the fact his parents were immigrants. This sort of tragic incident has more to do the dark side of the human psyche coming out at an age where mental health issues bubble to the surface and cause people to behave appallingly. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 9:37:17 GMT
But the link isn’t misleading. You have got it in your head that he was something he isn’t. It doesn’t shock me at all that he is a completely messed up human. Why it shocks you I don’t know? What annoys people Oggy, is even when prevented with hard evidence of what you requested. And it happens on the right as well as the left. (Not as often) You can't just say, yeah sorry didn't see this article. Or, yeah this one probably is a bit much when dealing with a Child, terrorist killer. I don't get it. You haven’t provided any evidence the authorities misled you. The article says he was born in Wales. He was. That’s not misleading. It then quotes comments made by neighbours about the family. That’s not misleading (unless you have evidence the quotes are fake). |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 30, 2024 9:40:41 GMT
Try not to get personal. Try to address the point. Who said he was an altar boy? Also are altar boys immune from radicalisation? If so, we beed to learn from them how. I'd say there are ZERO cases of a Christian Altar boys performing multiple mass murder on children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. The court hasn't ruled that he murdered those children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. The police have evidence that he was radicalised which is being dealt with as a separate case. The court has yet to decide on the root cause of why he murdered those children. It might turn out to be as a result of his radicalisation but equally it might be a mental health issue. You are jumping to conclusions. And yes it could still be true that was brought up Christian and sang in the church choir. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 9:40:50 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/southport-dad-banks-cardiff-welsh-b2589545.htmlThe first article I've come across. As well as yesterday still using photos of an innocent little boy In this article alone... 'A quiet boy who is clingy to his mum.' 'No problems a friendly couple with two little boys." “heavily involved with the local church”, they would often hear singing from their house. Rudakubana has a background in musical theatre. Try as they might to paint this lovely little lad a Christian Altar boy. Turns out he's cooking Ricin and reading Al Qaeda manuals. It was also reported he had an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis and had become withdrawn and uncommunicative prior to the incident. It has yet to be determined whether what he did was as a result of being radicalised or due to mental health issues or a bit of both. There is certainly no evidence he was part of a group and acted as part of some terrorist plot. If anything this reminds me of the Brianna Ghey incident- a brutal senseless act by a disturbed adolescent. It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the fact his parents were immigrants. This sort of tragic incident has more to do the dark side of the human psyche coming out at an age where mental health issues bubble to the surface and cause people to behave appallingly. We all agree it was terror-related though? The reporting wouldn't suggest it's disturbed adolescent either. All sunshine and rainbows. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 30, 2024 9:44:05 GMT
I'd say there are ZERO cases of a Christian Altar boys performing multiple mass murder on children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. The court hasn't ruled that he murdered those children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. The police have evidence that he was radicalised which is being dealt with as a separate case. The court has yet to decide on the root cause of why he murdered those children. It might turn out to be as a result of his radicalisation but equally it might be a mental health issue. You are jumping to conclusions. And yes it could still be true that was brought up Christian and sang in the church choir. So what are you all defending now. I've lost track. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 9:46:05 GMT
The court hasn't ruled that he murdered those children under the name of Jihad and Western hate. The police have evidence that he was radicalised which is being dealt with as a separate case. The court has yet to decide on the root cause of why he murdered those children. It might turn out to be as a result of his radicalisation but equally it might be a mental health issue. You are jumping to conclusions. And yes it could still be true that was brought up Christian and sang in the church choir. So what are you all defending now. I've lost track. That nobody was misled. Nothing is being hidden. Nobody has been gaslit or hoodwinked. There is no conspiracy. And this all has nothing to do with immigration. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 30, 2024 10:00:50 GMT
this gov't definitely appears to be suppressing info in favour of their preferred electorate
Don’t be a dick. The Police and Home Office ARE NOT ALLOWED UNDER LAW to disclose information which may prejudice a trial. That’s not suppression of information, it is following due legal process. Only in a world where you want the chap to get off would you want the Police to disclose every piece of evidence they have on an individual prior to trial. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 30, 2024 10:02:15 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Oct 30, 2024 10:15:29 GMT
I wonder how the case is coming along of the Manchester Airport family🤔 What about the guy who torched a 250 grand bus? We know what happened to those who posted a random tweet. Including name, address, job, sentence length, etc |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 10:18:01 GMT
I wonder how the case is coming along of the Manchester Airport family🤔 What about the guy who torched a 250 grand bus? We know what happened to those who posted a random tweet. Including name, address, job, sentence length, etc We only know what happened to some of the ones who admitted they were guilty of the crime they were charged for. Or are you arguing that people who admit they are guilty of crimes shouldn’t be dealt with as quickly as possible by our justice system? |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 30, 2024 10:19:03 GMT
this gov't definitely appears to be suppressing info in favour of their preferred electorate Don’t be a dick. The Police and Home Office ARE NOT ALLOWED UNDER LAW to disclose information which may prejudice a trial. That’s not suppression of information, it is following due legal process. Only in a world where you want the chap to get off would you want the Police to disclose every piece of evidence they have on an individual prior to trial. releasing charge details is not predjudicing a trial releasing details of the case is |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 30, 2024 10:22:05 GMT
Don’t be a dick. The Police and Home Office ARE NOT ALLOWED UNDER LAW to disclose information which may prejudice a trial. That’s not suppression of information, it is following due legal process. Only in a world where you want the chap to get off would you want the Police to disclose every piece of evidence they have on an individual prior to trial. releasing charge details is not predjudicing a trial releasing details of the case is And they have released charge details. So what’s everyone’s problem? |
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Post by starkiller on Oct 30, 2024 10:24:20 GMT
What about the guy who torched a 250 grand bus? We know what happened to those who posted a random tweet. Including name, address, job, sentence length, etc We only know what happened to some of the ones who admitted they were guilty of the crime they were charged for. Or are you arguing that people who admit they are guilty of crimes shouldn’t be dealt with as quickly as possible by our justice system? It supports the idea that many were naive, non-criminals, given poor legal advice to plead guilty, such as the recently deceased in prison. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 30, 2024 10:25:33 GMT
It was also reported he had an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis and had become withdrawn and uncommunicative prior to the incident. It has yet to be determined whether what he did was as a result of being radicalised or due to mental health issues or a bit of both. There is certainly no evidence he was part of a group and acted as part of some terrorist plot. If anything this reminds me of the Brianna Ghey incident- a brutal senseless act by a disturbed adolescent. It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the fact his parents were immigrants. This sort of tragic incident has more to do the dark side of the human psyche coming out at an age where mental health issues bubble to the surface and cause people to behave appallingly. We all agree it was terror-related though? The reporting wouldn't suggest it's disturbed adolescent either. All sunshine and rainbows. Rudakubana has been charged with killing the three girls. The police are still not declaring the matter a terrorist incident. The motivation for the crime has yet to be brought out in court. The court might decide, based on the evidence, that the prime motivation was terrorism but they might decide the primary cause was a mental health issue. It's up to the court to decide. Rubakubana has been separately charged with possessing terrorist material and producing Ricin. These are separate charges that are independent of the first case. It is perfectly possible that he can be found guilty of these charges and found guilty of the killings as a result mental health issues rather than a terroris act. Equally the courts might find that both were terrorist related acts. So in terms of your question no we don't all agree that the killings were terrorist related. That is for the courts to decide based on the evidence. |
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