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Post by Foster on Nov 6, 2022 21:07:20 GMT
Because they’re cheap? I employ people in my role, the only people who accept shit pay are immigrants but it’s false economy. They don’t understand, I spend all my time repeatedly micro managing them, it’s draining. Why should British people work for a derisory wage? Sounds like your company has an unsustainable business model. Well done for admitting you recruit staff on shit pay to work for you though……. That's a double whammy. I'm not sure what would be worse  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 6, 2022 21:08:22 GMT
Sounds like your company has an unsustainable business model. Well done for admitting you recruit staff on shit pay to work for you though……. That's a double whammy. I'm not sure what would be worse Cheapshot 😉 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 6, 2022 21:10:15 GMT
Sounds like your company has an unsustainable business model. Well done for admitting you recruit staff on shit pay to work for you though……. That's a double whammy. I'm not sure what would be worse He has to micro manage them as well. Sounds like the person doing the recruiting needs binning off to me…… 😂 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 6, 2022 21:12:27 GMT
That's a double whammy. I'm not sure what would be worse He has to micro manage them as well. Sounds like the person doing the recruiting needs binning off to me…… 😂 That’s true |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 6, 2022 21:20:30 GMT
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
That quote applies in so many situations on this board.
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Post by Foster on Nov 6, 2022 21:31:10 GMT
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." That quote applies in so many situations on this board. You sound very sure of yourself mate. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 6, 2022 21:31:40 GMT
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." That quote applies in so many situations on this board. You sound very sure of yourself mate. LOL I should caveat that with that including the main board too. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 6, 2022 21:33:41 GMT
Absolute disgrace that this is happening. But can't say I'm surprised, been saying all week about the threats these children are under. And yet the government are doing nothing about this and dragging their heels. If asylum applications were processed within 6 months which is the time period outlined on the gov website then a young boy would never have been raped. How many more children have to suffer at the hands of these evil callous scumbags. Absolute proof of why people were correct to reject a party that contained Diane Abbott. What about one with Imrad Ahmed Khan |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 6, 2022 21:38:41 GMT
However everything else tells us there is a labour shortage. I thought Covid left the workforce depleted due to EU nationals going home and not returning and 50 pluses deciding the workforce was not for them? Brexiteers tell me there has never been a better time to get a new job than now (ask Mr Coke). Meanwhile the Home Office is processing asylum apllicants st a rste of 4% a year - until their application is accepted they can't work. Weatherspoons - for example - has been pleading for workers How therefore are immigrants taking British Nationals jobs? Because they’re cheap? I employ people in my role, the only people who accept shit pay are immigrants but it’s false economy. They don’t understand, I spend all my time repeatedly micro managing them, it’s draining. Why should British people work for a derisory wage? But on another thread you believe the public sector - particlarly nurses - should exist on low wages. Why should British people work for a derisory wage indeed. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 6, 2022 22:16:33 GMT
It's unhelpful in this debate to use incorrect pejorative terms to describe people. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant no matter how they entered the Country but there are Asylum Seekers requesting Refugee Status.
At the core of the problem is a Home Office that has been dysfunctional for many years and operates in a state of Permacrisis without any rational plan.
In a hospital medical setting a system of triage is used to allocate resources to the most urgent cases
UK is not, unless under very rare circumstances, going to deport people back to Syria, Afghanistan, Iran etc so why keep spinning wheels and devote as much time to these people as of other Nationals At the earliest opportunity place these people in suitable accommodation depending on there family unit and when it comes to Unaccompanied Children ensure safeguarding protocols and educational and mental health support
The current crisis is Adult Male Albanians and I agree its a problem With apologies to Badger I'm going to introduce some Stats. 86% of Albanian women and Children who present for Asylum are granted that Status so again using the fast track system assume those who present as such are going to be granted Asylum and settle in similar accommodation
That leaves the remainder of Male Albanians 14% are granted Asylum Seekers and others who deliberately or unfortunately have no documentation to support who they are.
In 9 Days during Covid Pandemic UK built a Nightingale Hospital (never used) capable of housing 4000 people If this type of facility was good enough to look after 4000 sick British people it should be good enough to temporarily house with modification for cooking leisure areas etc. for these people seeking Asylum while there claim is being processed Build 1 or 2 A disused Aerodrome would seem an option At the same time Home Office hire hundreds of temporary staff to be on site at these facilities to conduct and document the initial interview with prospective Asylum Seeker. Subsequently an experienced Home Office Officer can then make an follow up review. If during interview an Asylum Seeker is not being cooperative and forthcoming with information and obviously reliable translators are on hand during the Interview, to use the vernacular "Fuck them Off" The Albanian Government itself appears willing to cooperate with UK Despatch a dozen or so or whatever number required to work alongside Albanian Agencies to verify what has been said during the interview process using access to their data bases being careful not to compromise any genuine Asylum Seekers and there are some. Using this streamlined method most of the Economic Migrants can be weeded out from genuine Asylum Seekers Whether I agree or not whether UK should welcome Economic Migrants is irrelevent If the UK Government is against such a Policy its entirely within their domain
The problem with Career Politicians is they have very little real world experience of agile problem solving They are too focused on the image they portray which will get them elected at the next election Taking Back Control as it currently exists is a shambles I wouldn't trust Suella Braverman to take control of a Poodle, she is seriously out of her depth and her rhetoric is dangerous
Edit: By the way if anyone is under an illusion that Asylum Seekers can claim Benefits, they can't They receive £40.85 per week to cover food, clothing, toiletries etc
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Post by Waggy on Nov 7, 2022 5:24:39 GMT
It's unhelpful in this debate to use incorrect pejorative terms to describe people. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant no matter how they entered the Country but there are Asylum Seekers requesting Refugee Status. At the core of the problem is a Home Office that has been dysfunctional for many years and operates in a state of Permacrisis without any rational plan. In a hospital medical setting a system of triage is used to allocate resources to the most urgent cases UK is not, unless under very rare circumstances, going to deport people back to Syria, Afghanistan, Iran etc so why keep spinning wheels and devote as much time to these people as of other Nationals At the earliest opportunity place these people in suitable accommodation depending on there family unit and when it comes to Unaccompanied Children ensure safeguarding protocols and educational and mental health support The current crisis is Adult Male Albanians and I agree its a problem With apologies to Badger I'm going to introduce some Stats. 86% of Albanian women and Children who present for Asylum are granted that Status so again using the fast track system assume those who present as such are going to be granted Asylum and settle in similar accommodation That leaves the remainder of Male Albanians 14% are granted Asylum Seekers and others who deliberately or unfortunately have no documentation to support who they are. In 9 Days during Covid Pandemic UK built a Nightingale Hospital (never used) capable of housing 4000 people If this type of facility was good enough to look after 4000 sick British people it should be good enough to temporarily house with modification for cooking leisure areas etc. for these people seeking Asylum while there claim is being processed Build 1 or 2 A disused Aerodrome would seem an option At the same time Home Office hire hundreds of temporary staff to be on site at these facilities to conduct and document the initial interview with prospective Asylum Seeker. Subsequently an experienced Home Office Officer can then make an follow up review. If during interview an Asylum Seeker is not being cooperative and forthcoming with information and obviously reliable translators are on hand during the Interview, to use the vernacular "Fuck them Off" The Albanian Government itself appears willing to cooperate with UK Despatch a dozen or so or whatever number required to work alongside Albanian Agencies to verify what has been said during the interview process using access to their data bases being careful not to compromise any genuine Asylum Seekers and there are some. Using this streamlined method most of the Economic Migrants can be weeded out from genuine Asylum Seekers Whether I agree or not whether UK should welcome Economic Migrants is irrelevent If the UK Government is against such a Policy its entirely within their domain The problem with Career Politicians is they have very little real world experience of agile problem solving They are too focused on the image they portray which will get them elected at the next election Taking Back Control as it currently exists is a shambles I wouldn't trust Suella Braverman to take control of a Poodle, she is seriously out of her depth and her rhetoric is dangerous Edit: By the way if anyone is under an illusion that Asylum Seekers can claim Benefits, they can't They receive £40.85 per week to cover food, clothing, toiletries etc They get free food and toiletries. I know somebody that works at the Holiday Inn where some were housed. Not bad with a free room and £40.85 per week which is the minimum they receive. Also, why do most not cross through border control. Sound illegal to me. I might just sail around the world without any documents and proof of i.d. Can guarantee I would be sent back to Britain. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 7, 2022 7:03:42 GMT
Last year about 30K Albanians applied for Visas to come to UK and about 20K were granted How many came and went back I have no idea Good luck with your sail around the World on £5.83 per day www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get |
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Post by Northy on Nov 7, 2022 7:50:16 GMT
A 23 year old school girl? I know the media have gone a bit mad in the last few years but…… Oops |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 7, 2022 8:33:58 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 7, 2022 9:03:56 GMT
You tell ‘em Kieth…….
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Post by Waggy on Nov 7, 2022 10:10:10 GMT
Last year about 30K Albanians applied for Visas to come to UK and about 20K were granted How many came and went back I have no idea Good luck with your sail around the World on £5.83 per day www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-getThat is like saying they pay £5.83 to the gangs getting them here. |
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Post by musik on Nov 7, 2022 10:25:06 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people.
This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate.
What will England land on?
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Post by wannabee on Nov 7, 2022 11:08:39 GMT
Last year about 30K Albanians applied for Visas to come to UK and about 20K were granted How many came and went back I have no idea Good luck with your sail around the World on £5.83 per day www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-getThat is like saying they pay £5.83 to the gangs getting them here. What on earth are you talking about About 75% of Asylum Seekers who make application are granted Refugee Status after initial processing of application A further 10% are granted on appeal. It is taking up to two years to process the initial application and in that time they are in limbo, can't work and have a very minimum amount to support themselves despite you thinking you could go on a world cruise with this amount At the end of 2019 there were just over 40k Asylum Applications waiting for first review The number of applications obviously slowed down during Covid At end of June 2022 there were more than 120K Asylum Seekers awaiting first review. The Home Office processing has broken down ompletely either by incompetence or design but something very strange is going on |
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Post by Waggy on Nov 7, 2022 12:23:10 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people. This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate. What will England land on? Liberal country seen the light. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 7, 2022 12:28:33 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people. This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate. What will England land on? You're a lucky guy Musik. An actual right of centre government, beautiful country, hot women, great nightlife, no lockdowns... What's not to like? 😊 |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 7, 2022 12:43:39 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people. This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate. What will England land on? This is a discussion we're having right now in NL........ including better allocation across the country. www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/11/new-law-to-house-asylum-seekers-held-up-by-internal-row-in-vvd/Crime has risen in Ter Apel and Groningen since the allocation there has exceeded the quota.......another reason to look at fairer allocation across the land. Plenty of NIMBYS over here though - Im one of them. Ive got a load of them living 100 metres from my apartment and not nice to walk through of an evening...very intimidating. |
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 7, 2022 12:47:30 GMT
Fair play to those countries taking a stand, but we know what the outcome to their tougher measures will mean…..more for us 😬
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 7, 2022 12:59:18 GMT
That is like saying they pay £5.83 to the gangs getting them here. What on earth are you talking about About 75% of Asylum Seekers who make application are granted Refugee Status after initial processing of application A further 10% are granted on appeal. It is taking up to two years to process the initial application and in that time they are in limbo, can't work and have a very minimum amount to support themselves despite you thinking you could go on a world cruise with this amount At the end of 2019 there were just over 40k Asylum Applications waiting for first review The number of applications obviously slowed down during Covid At end of June 2022 there were more than 120K Asylum Seekers awaiting first review. The Home Office processing has broken down completely either by incompetence or design but something very strange is going on Ignore the cold hard facts. Blurt out another load of unsubstantiated nonsense. Rinse and repeat. If challenged claim "I don't do statistics" before maintaining how apolitical you are and telling everyone to be nice to one another. This thread in a nutshell........ |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 7, 2022 13:01:09 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people. This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate. What will England land on? With this tory government? Must be on 40k and counting and that's just those on the small boats lol. No doubt we will somehow double that number by the end of the year. Our governments good at breaking all the wrong records. And those most opposed to immigration support the record breakers with no idea what to do lol. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 7, 2022 13:01:23 GMT
Last year about 30K Albanians applied for Visas to come to UK and about 20K were granted How many came and went back I have no idea Good luck with your sail around the World on £5.83 per day www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-getThat is like saying they pay £5.83 to the gangs getting them here. In what way and based on what? On the face of it that just looks like another glib, lazy comment. |
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Post by yarmofan on Nov 7, 2022 13:25:43 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people. This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate. What will England land on? You're a lucky guy Musik. An actual right of centre government, beautiful country, hot women, great nightlife, no lockdowns... What's not to like? 😊 I am having to be saying that where this membership seems to often have intelligence in the negative measures that you would still be town idiot child by standards of Chernobyl |
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Post by Waggy on Nov 7, 2022 13:56:57 GMT
It’s funny that those from outside of Stoke love to see these people housed here.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 7, 2022 14:08:43 GMT
It’s funny that those from outside of Stoke love to see these people housed here. If that's aimed at me and it's what's stopping you answering the question, I've lived in Stoke for the last 5 years, so you can relax on that front  So, what were you basing your figures on? |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 7, 2022 14:13:22 GMT
Our new Swedish government have declared our maximum immigrant number in 2023 will be 900 people. This might lead to a negative number since some will leave this climate. What will England land on? With this tory government? Must be on 40k and counting and that's just those on the small boats lol. No doubt we will somehow double that number by the end of the year. Our governments good at breaking all the wrong records. And those most opposed to immigration support the record breakers with no idea what to do lol. I don't know with which National Identity you identify with ( and I'm not asking you) I think this Government has, like Baldick, a "Cunning Plan" which has been to drive the UK Economy into the Toilet with a set of Disastrous decisions over the past 12 making the UK an unattractive place to emigrate to thereby solving the "Immigration Crisis" The first great wave of Immigrants to Britain were the Irish which started under Empire and peaked in early 1960s at over 683K. The latest census puts the absolute number at 324K or less than half. This makes the Irish 5th behind India, Poland, Pakistan and Romania in terms of numbers. The same derogatory tropes that were used against the Irish previously e.g. their taking our jobs, their lowering wage rates etc are now being used towards the New Immigrants It is a reflexive reaction to look outward for the source of your problems and angst rather than inward There are now more Mainland British born people living in ROI (100K+) per capita than ROI born people living in Mainland Britain This is hardly surprising given that ROI GDP per Capita (4th in the World) is more than double UK GDP per Capita (26th) www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/theres-not-many-left-now-census-shines-spotlight-on-britains-dwindling-irish-community |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 7, 2022 14:31:03 GMT
With this tory government? Must be on 40k and counting and that's just those on the small boats lol. No doubt we will somehow double that number by the end of the year. Our governments good at breaking all the wrong records. And those most opposed to immigration support the record breakers with no idea what to do lol. I don't know with which National Identity you identify with ( and I'm not asking you) I think this Government has, like Baldick, a "Cunning Plan" which has been to drive the UK Economy into the Toilet with a set of Disastrous decisions over the past 12 making the UK an unattractive place to emigrate to thereby solving the "Immigration Crisis" The first great wave of Immigrants to Britain were the Irish which started under Empire and peaked in early 1960s at over 683K. The latest census puts the absolute number at 324K or less than half. This makes the Irish 5th behind India, Poland, Pakistan and Romania in terms of numbers. The same derogatory tropes that were used against the Irish previously e.g. their taking our jobs, their lowering wage rates etc are now being used towards the New Immigrants It is a reflexive reaction to look outward for the source of your problems and angst rather than inward There are now more Mainland British born people living in ROI (100K+) per capita than ROI born people living in Mainland Britain This is hardly surprising given that ROI GDP per Capita (4th in the World) is more than double UK GDP per Capita (26th) www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/theres-not-many-left-now-census-shines-spotlight-on-britains-dwindling-irish-communityThing is the Baldrick plan is working. Asylum applications are half what they were 20 years ago. The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily again throughout the 2010s and then sharply in 2021, to 48,540, which was the highest annual number since 2003. So to be clear - it fell sharply under Labour and has almost tripled again under the Tories (the party that takes control of our borders apparently). This is not about an 'invasion' this is about one of two things:- A. If I'm being charitable its about abject Tory incompetence. An inability to hold on to what they had and make it worse whilst scapegoating the victims in the process. B. If I'm being cynical it's about corruption and diversion. As I posted above there's a lot of money to be made by people with Tory contacts out of Home office contract awards. But still people would rather believe Farridge's xenophobic bile. |
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