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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 2, 2022 22:44:41 GMT
I do. Allow people to seek asylum from France. Make it a quick process. Then watch crossings reduce. France, and Germany, have significantly more people seeking asylum than the UK. In fact if you look at the number of asylum seekers as a percentage of population the UK is only 19th highest in Europe. France, and the rest of Europe, are taking their fair share of the strain.  |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 2, 2022 23:10:54 GMT
France, and Germany, have significantly more people seeking asylum than the UK. In fact if you look at the number of asylum seekers as a percentage of population the UK is only 19th highest in Europe. France, and the rest of Europe, are taking their fair share of the strain. So what? It’s not a dick measuring contest to see who can claim the most. This country is overrun with asylum seekers, I couldn’t care less what other European counties are doing about it. This country as it stands is being turned into a cesspit of crime from overseas. That is a fact It's a pity you ( and our Government) are unwilling to learn the lessons from other Countries although I respect your reasons for not entering a Dick measuring contest. Some years ago Germany experienced the same issue with Albanians and passed legislation which declared Albania a "Safe Country" which revoked most of the reasons Albanians could claim Asylum and they were simply returned Despite spurious spouting by a multitude of Conservative Politicians that UK is and has always been a welcoming Country to Asylum Seekers the Nationalities and Borders Act is in complete contradiction of this and in contravention of the 1951 Convention What's next complete withdrawal from the ECHR to join Russia and Belarus as the only ones outside? The Home Office is dysfunctional and has been for many years. No refugee from Syria, Afghanistan etc is going to be returned to those Countries irrespective of their status which in any case almost 100% are granted Asylum Status. Why clogg up the whole system by professing these people in places like Manston and why in the Fuck does it take on average a year and a half to process a claim and this is before so called "lefty lawers" begin appeals Cruella did say one true thing "The System is Broken" but the Conservative Government broke it and its not that difficult to fix it but definitely not by Cruella and not by sending a token number of people to Rwanda if it ever begins never mind that it may spoil her Christmas |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 2, 2022 23:18:53 GMT
Absolutely. We have been woeful when it comes to Ukrainians too. Woeful? We’re many countries away from Ukraine. Ireland (A bit further and more difficult place to get to than UK) a much smaller Country/Economy/Population has slightly more Ukranian Refugees about 50,000 each Ukranians can enter without Visas have immediate access to Social Welfare and Accommodation and the Freedom to take up immediate employment should they wish |
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Post by Orbs on Nov 4, 2022 8:59:35 GMT
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Post by phileetin on Nov 4, 2022 11:21:06 GMT
Woeful? We’re many countries away from Ukraine. Ireland (A bit further and more difficult place to get to than UK) a much smaller Country/Economy/Population has slightly more Ukranian Refugees about 50,000 each Ukranians can enter without Visas have immediate access to Social Welfare and Accommodation and the Freedom to take up immediate employment should they wish
you should put some posters up in france and advertise that "fact" seems a cheap and easy solution to the problem
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Post by wannabee on Nov 4, 2022 11:52:20 GMT
Ireland (A bit further and more difficult place to get to than UK) a much smaller Country/Economy/Population has slightly more Ukranian Refugees about 50,000 each Ukranians can enter without Visas have immediate access to Social Welfare and Accommodation and the Freedom to take up immediate employment should they wish
you should put some posters up in france and advertise that "fact" seems a cheap and easy solution to the problem
Why not educate yourself better, it is a fact, and it was my reply to Badger who proposed that the relatively small number of UKRAINIANS that have come to UK was because of the difficulty and distance of getting to UK This is of course nonsense as I pointed out it is even more difficult to get to the much smaller Country Ireland but they have accepted more Ukranian Asylum Seekers than UK |
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Post by phileetin on Nov 4, 2022 16:56:41 GMT
you should put some posters up in france and advertise that "fact" seems a cheap and easy solution to the problem
Why not educate yourself better, it is a fact, and it was my reply to Badger who proposed that the relatively small number of UKRAINIANS that have come to UK was because of the difficulty and distance of getting to UK This is of course nonsense as I pointed out it is even more difficult to get to the much smaller Country Ireland but they have accepted more Ukranian Asylum Seekers than UK i'm not disputing the fact , i think it could be the solution. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 4, 2022 18:47:38 GMT
Absolute disgrace that this is happening. But can't say I'm surprised, been saying all week about the threats these children are under.
And yet the government are doing nothing about this and dragging their heels. If asylum applications were processed within 6 months which is the time period outlined on the gov website then a young boy would never have been raped.
How many more children have to suffer at the hands of these evil callous scumbags.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 4, 2022 19:29:07 GMT
Absolute disgrace that this is happening. But can't say I'm surprised, been saying all week about the threats these children are under. And yet the government are doing nothing about this and dragging their heels. If asylum applications were processed within 6 months which is the time period outlined on the gov website then a young boy would never have been raped. How many more children have to suffer at the hands of these evil callous scumbags. Thing is there's money to be made. Manston - which is in the news at the moment - is run by Mitie under contract to the Home Office. Mitie have Tory Peer Phillipa Rowe on their board. Other sites are run by Clearsprings - prop Graham King - who has paid himself £4.3m over the past 5 years - and despite being involved in a tax scam in 2015 has recently been awarded a contract to 2029 by the Home Office. He also takes money from local authorities to house homeless on his caravan sites. Britannia Hotels - who own the North Staffs - where Farridge was holding forth last night - is owned by non-dom Alex Langsam who donated £637k to the Tories in 2019. I could go on - but there are a lot of vested interests in this continuing - both for profit at the taxpayers expense and for allowing the demonisation of minorites to distract from failures of governance. |
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 19:51:29 GMT
Absolute disgrace that this is happening. But can't say I'm surprised, been saying all week about the threats these children are under. And yet the government are doing nothing about this and dragging their heels. If asylum applications were processed within 6 months which is the time period outlined on the gov website then a young boy would never have been raped. How many more children have to suffer at the hands of these evil callous scumbags. The only scumbags here are surely the people raping the children? Wow... |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 4, 2022 19:53:34 GMT
Absolute disgrace that this is happening. But can't say I'm surprised, been saying all week about the threats these children are under. And yet the government are doing nothing about this and dragging their heels. If asylum applications were processed within 6 months which is the time period outlined on the gov website then a young boy would never have been raped. How many more children have to suffer at the hands of these evil callous scumbags. The only scumbags here are surely the people raping the children? Wow... After 6 months, raping children is fair game apparently🙄 Jesus wept |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 4, 2022 20:12:26 GMT
Absolute disgrace that this is happening. But can't say I'm surprised, been saying all week about the threats these children are under. And yet the government are doing nothing about this and dragging their heels. If asylum applications were processed within 6 months which is the time period outlined on the gov website then a young boy would never have been raped. How many more children have to suffer at the hands of these evil callous scumbags. The only scumbags here are surely the people raping the children? Wow... That's what I'm talking about mate. But because they're not processing the asylum claims and sending these people home, they're instead being thrown in hotels with kids and raping them. Can see why you got confused and thought I was talking about the torys. Tbf the facilitators are scum too and just as bad for being enablers. Don't you agree? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 4, 2022 20:18:01 GMT
The only scumbags here are surely the people raping the children? Wow... After 6 months, raping children is fair game apparently🙄 Jesus wept What are you on about? You think that rapes OK after they've been in the country 6 months? Mate they shouldn't even be here 3 months nevermind 6. They should have been sent back home. But you can't send them home until the asylum application is processed. So any old pedo can now cross the channel knowing they're unlikely to get sent home anytime soon and their reward is being put up in hotels with kids. It's fucking vile. Every single Tory MP who has contributed to this mess needs to hang their head in shame. Allowing these pedos to come into our country and putting them up in hotels for months with kids without even checking their history or background. Anyone trying to defend the torys for facilitating this is simply sick in the head. Any wonder Jimmy Saville was a tory. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 4, 2022 20:27:59 GMT
After 6 months, raping children is fair game apparently🙄 Jesus wept What are you on about? You think that rapes OK after they've been in the country 6 months? Mate they shouldn't even be here 3 months nevermind 6. They should have been sent back home. But you can't send them home until the asylum application is processed. So any old pedo can now cross the channel knowing they're unlikely to get sent home anytime soon and their reward is being put up in hotels with kids. It's fucking vile. Every single Tory MP who has contributed to this mess needs to hang their head in shame. Allowing these pedos to come into our country and putting them up in hotels for months with kids without even checking their history or background. Anyone trying to defend the torys for facilitating this is simply sick in the head. Any wonder Jimmy Saville was a tory. You said if applications went through within 6 months a boy wouldn’t have been raped. Which is bollocks! With the greatest respect of course. Not saying the Tory’s are doing a good job of this, in fact it’s an absolute disaster. I was just responding to your odd comment about rapes not happening in the first 6 months. Unless you meant something else? In which case I apologise |
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 20:30:16 GMT
The only scumbags here are surely the people raping the children? Wow... That's what I'm talking about mate. But because they're not processing the asylum claims and sending these people home, they're instead being thrown in hotels with kids and raping them. Can see why you got confused and thought I was talking about the torys. Tbf the facilitators are scum too and just as bad for being enablers. Don't you agree? No I don't agree. They shouldn't be getting put into hotels. They should be returned straight away unless they enter the country legally and claim asylum through the proper way |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 4, 2022 20:52:55 GMT
That's what I'm talking about mate. But because they're not processing the asylum claims and sending these people home, they're instead being thrown in hotels with kids and raping them. Can see why you got confused and thought I was talking about the torys. Tbf the facilitators are scum too and just as bad for being enablers. Don't you agree? No I don't agree. They shouldn't be getting put into hotels. They should be returned straight away unless they enter the country legally and claim asylum through the proper way
Could you walk me through this process please and explain what the 'proper way' actually means?
Thanks
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Post by Gawa on Nov 4, 2022 21:33:09 GMT
That's what I'm talking about mate. But because they're not processing the asylum claims and sending these people home, they're instead being thrown in hotels with kids and raping them. Can see why you got confused and thought I was talking about the torys. Tbf the facilitators are scum too and just as bad for being enablers. Don't you agree? No I don't agree. They shouldn't be getting put into hotels. They should be returned straight away unless they enter the country legally and claim asylum through the proper way So who is to blame for that not happening? Who has the power to push any law they want through the commons? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 4, 2022 21:36:08 GMT
What are you on about? You think that rapes OK after they've been in the country 6 months? Mate they shouldn't even be here 3 months nevermind 6. They should have been sent back home. But you can't send them home until the asylum application is processed. So any old pedo can now cross the channel knowing they're unlikely to get sent home anytime soon and their reward is being put up in hotels with kids. It's fucking vile. Every single Tory MP who has contributed to this mess needs to hang their head in shame. Allowing these pedos to come into our country and putting them up in hotels for months with kids without even checking their history or background. Anyone trying to defend the torys for facilitating this is simply sick in the head. Any wonder Jimmy Saville was a tory. You said if applications went through within 6 months a boy wouldn’t have been raped. Which is bollocks! With the greatest respect of course. Not saying the Tory’s are doing a good job of this, in fact it’s an absolute disaster. I was just responding to your odd comment about rapes not happening in the first 6 months. Unless you meant something else? In which case I apologise The boy has only recently been raped. Gov website says applications are usually processed in 6 months. Only 4/100 have been processed in that time. Most migrants initially go to the overcrowded camp. After being here for a while then they get moved to a hotel. Had the application been processed in 6 months for 100/100 rather than 4/100 asylum seekers then more than likely this sick rapist would have already been sent home long before he ever ended up in a hotel with a young boy. |
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 21:40:28 GMT
No I don't agree. They shouldn't be getting put into hotels. They should be returned straight away unless they enter the country legally and claim asylum through the proper wayCould you walk me through this process please and explain what the 'proper way' actually means? Thanks
Have a read up. Tens of thousands each year do it and then setup home here and find jobs |
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 21:41:04 GMT
You said if applications went through within 6 months a boy wouldn’t have been raped. Which is bollocks! With the greatest respect of course. Not saying the Tory’s are doing a good job of this, in fact it’s an absolute disaster. I was just responding to your odd comment about rapes not happening in the first 6 months. Unless you meant something else? In which case I apologise The boy has only recently been raped. Gov website says applications are usually processed in 6 months. Only 4/100 have been processed in that time. Most migrants initially go to the overcrowded camp. After being here for a while then they get moved to a hotel. Had the application been processed in 6 months for 100/100 rather than 4/100 asylum seekers then more than likely this sick rapist would have already been sent home long before he ever ended up in a hotel with a young boy. Or he would have raped someone else ? |
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 21:42:15 GMT
No I don't agree. They shouldn't be getting put into hotels. They should be returned straight away unless they enter the country legally and claim asylum through the proper way So who is to blame for that not happening? Who has the power to push any law they want through the commons? Who was to blame for stopping the government sending them to camps for processing in Rwanda ? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 4, 2022 21:46:46 GMT
Could you walk me through this process please and explain what the 'proper way' actually means? Thanks
Have a read up. Tens of thousands each year do it and then setup home here and find jobs
Can you at least steer me in the right direction ... what is the process that allows a Syrian, Afghanistani or Iranian refugee, to legally seek asylum in this country?
Thanks
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 21:49:05 GMT
Have a read up. Tens of thousands each year do it and then setup home here and find jobs Can you at least steer me in the right direction ... what is the process that allows a Syrian, Afghanistani or Iranian refugee, to legally seek asylum in this country? Thanks
I'm sure someone of your intelligence can find it yourself. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 4, 2022 21:54:51 GMT
Can you at least steer me in the right direction ... what is the process that allows a Syrian, Afghanistani or Iranian refugee, to legally seek asylum in this country? Thanks
I'm sure someone of your intelligence can find it yourself.
The reason that you actually can't, is because you're just making shit up.
"The Government makes it very difficult for people to enter the United Kingdom (UK) to claim asylum. This is especially so after the Government introduced a law called the Nationality and Borders Act 2022.
If you are in danger in your country of origin or residence, and you want the UK to grant you international protection, you can claim asylum once you are in the UK.
However, it is not possible to claim asylum from outside the UK, and there is no visa which allows people to enter the UK in order to claim asylum. This means that most people have no choice but to enter the UK without permission."
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Post by knype on Nov 4, 2022 21:55:55 GMT
I'm sure someone of your intelligence can find it yourself. The reason that you actually can't, is because you're just making shit up. "The Government makes it very difficult for people to enter the United Kingdom (UK) to claim asylum. This is especially so after the Government introduced a law called the Nationality and Borders Act 2022.
If you are in danger in your country of origin or residence, and you want the UK to grant you international protection, you can claim asylum once you are in the UK.
However, it is not possible to claim asylum from outside the UK, and there is no visa which allows people to enter the UK in order to claim asylum. This means that most people have no choice but to enter the UK without permission." Making shit up ? OK, which bit did I make up ? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 4, 2022 22:02:38 GMT
The reason that you actually can't, is because you're just making shit up. "The Government makes it very difficult for people to enter the United Kingdom (UK) to claim asylum. This is especially so after the Government introduced a law called the Nationality and Borders Act 2022.
If you are in danger in your country of origin or residence, and you want the UK to grant you international protection, you can claim asylum once you are in the UK.
However, it is not possible to claim asylum from outside the UK, and there is no visa which allows people to enter the UK in order to claim asylum. This means that most people have no choice but to enter the UK without permission." Making shit up ? OK, which bit did I make up ?
Read my post and/or the link that I provided.
There isn't a way for an asylum seeker to enter the country legally or in (as you call it) a 'proper way' for them to seek asylum.
Which is actually against international law.
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Post by Northy on Nov 6, 2022 18:25:39 GMT
The Fir Grove Hotel in Grappenhall Warrington now taken over for migrants, that's 2 in Warrington and another just outside in Daresbury It reduces hotel room availability for normal visitors, pushing up the prices fir them. I'm not sure how to copy this map link but a person on twitter has an up to date list of all hotels that have been acquired by tye government  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 6, 2022 18:36:16 GMT
Simple solution do a deal with the falklands administration
Ship them over the minute they arrive they can sit on there arses counting penguins until claim assessed
Don’t leave British territory
European court of justice can go and get fucked
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Post by felonious on Nov 6, 2022 18:36:50 GMT
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Post by felonious on Nov 6, 2022 18:39:07 GMT
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