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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 13:38:08 GMT
You've only got to look at all the opinion polls, you're in the minority Big statement there mate. Any evidence to back that up? Go on YouTube mate, look for Talk TV. When you get on their channel click on community, scroll down, it's an ongoing debate you'll find poll after poll after poll. One on just 3 hours ago about immigration, 5.4k votes so far 97% saying its way out of hand. Click on the comments to the pollsand see how many likes their are on them. I'd click the link to paste on here but it doesn't allow it, that's the real world, Real people |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 13:39:42 GMT
I take it you dont have many friends and a girlfriend is completely out of the question, I dont know how you cope from day to day with all these threats around you, you must be like a scared puppy dog. What with taxis, corner shops, garages, delivery drivers and takeaways all owned by Muslims and employing Muslims, your life must be a living hell. Shame. x  Yet were the ones that will be hiding behind sofas apparently  All these people shit scared of Muslims, banging on about so-called "no go areas" and Sharia Law, meanwhile the rest of us are just getting on with our lives........... I've had enough of patriot haters for one day. I'd send you all back with them if I was Sunak so you can appreciate and indulge in a bit of their idea of multiculturalism |
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 24, 2023 13:41:39 GMT
I think it’s fair to say Vidigal7 is a twat.
I suggest other posters simply ignore him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 13:41:40 GMT
Big statement there mate. Any evidence to back that up? Go on YouTube mate, look for Talk TV. When you get on their channel click on community, scroll down, it's an ongoing debate you'll find poll after poll after poll. One on just 3 hours ago about immigration, 5.4k votes so far 97% saying its way out of hand. Click on the comments to the pollsand see how many likes their are on them. I'd click the link to paste on here but it doesn't allow it, that's the real world, Real people Real people, as opposed to the people you are talking to on here, who are, in fact, cows with opposable thumbs. A poll on a site held by TalkTv, who does nothing other than talk about immigrants. Not exactly an unbiased poll given that you have to think a certain way to watch it in the first place. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 13:43:21 GMT
Go on YouTube mate, look for Talk TV. When you get on their channel click on community, scroll down, it's an ongoing debate you'll find poll after poll after poll. One on just 3 hours ago about immigration, 5.4k votes so far 97% saying its way out of hand. Click on the comments to the pollsand see how many likes their are on them. I'd click the link to paste on here but it doesn't allow it, that's the real world, Real people Real people, as opposed to the people you are talking to on here, who are, in fact, cows with opposable thumbs. A poll on a site held by TalkTv, who does nothing other than talk about immigrants. Not exactly an unbiased poll given that you have to think a certain way to watch it in the first place. I mean numbers |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2023 13:49:00 GMT
Big statement there mate. Any evidence to back that up? Go on YouTube mate, look for Talk TV. When you get on their channel click on community, scroll down, it's an ongoing debate you'll find poll after poll after poll. One on just 3 hours ago about immigration, 5.4k votes so far 97% saying its way out of hand. Click on the comments to the pollsand see how many likes their are on them. I'd click the link to paste on here but it doesn't allow it, that's the real world, Real people Talk TV??? Good grief....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 14:01:35 GMT
Real people, as opposed to the people you are talking to on here, who are, in fact, cows with opposable thumbs. A poll on a site held by TalkTv, who does nothing other than talk about immigrants. Not exactly an unbiased poll given that you have to think a certain way to watch it in the first place. I mean numbers It’s more extreme of a bias than if the Mail released a poll based on their readership, or if the Guardian did the same for it. Polls based on readership/viewership are all biased. Creating unbiased polls is actually very hard. People who regularly read those papers will answer in a way that the paper typically spins. Why? Because why would you keep buying something you didn’t like? On immigration, you’d likely get two different answers. Both are from real people. If everyone in the country felt the same way as Braverman, she’d be in power already. Your poll shows that people who watch TalkTv don’t like immigrants. Given that TalkTv talks about how bad immigrants are all day, this isn’t that surprising. You may as well ask people at a snake store if they like snakes and then extrapolate that out to say that the vast majority of British people like snakes. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Nov 24, 2023 14:06:02 GMT
Go on YouTube mate, look for Talk TV. When you get on their channel click on community, scroll down, it's an ongoing debate you'll find poll after poll after poll. One on just 3 hours ago about immigration, 5.4k votes so far 97% saying its way out of hand. Click on the comments to the pollsand see how many likes their are on them. I'd click the link to paste on here but it doesn't allow it, that's the real world, Real people Talk TV??? Good grief.... As expected mate tbh |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2023 15:21:42 GMT
It’s more extreme of a bias than if the Mail released a poll based on their readership, or if the Guardian did the same for it. Polls based on readership/viewership are all biased. Creating unbiased polls is actually very hard. People who regularly read those papers will answer in a way that the paper typically spins. Why? Because why would you keep buying something you didn’t like? On immigration, you’d likely get two different answers. Both are from real people. If everyone in the country felt the same way as Braverman, she’d be in power already. Your poll shows that people who watch TalkTv don’t like immigrants. Given that TalkTv talks about how bad immigrants are all day, this isn’t that surprising. You may as well ask people at a snake store if they like snakes and then extrapolate that out to say that the vast majority of British people like snakes. Yeah, who'd have thought it'd be a link to TalkTV or Breitbart or the Daily Express....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 15:34:39 GMT
It’s more extreme of a bias than if the Mail released a poll based on their readership, or if the Guardian did the same for it. Polls based on readership/viewership are all biased. Creating unbiased polls is actually very hard. People who regularly read those papers will answer in a way that the paper typically spins. Why? Because why would you keep buying something you didn’t like? On immigration, you’d likely get two different answers. Both are from real people. If everyone in the country felt the same way as Braverman, she’d be in power already. Your poll shows that people who watch TalkTv don’t like immigrants. Given that TalkTv talks about how bad immigrants are all day, this isn’t that surprising. You may as well ask people at a snake store if they like snakes and then extrapolate that out to say that the vast majority of British people like snakes. Yeah, who'd have thought it'd be a link to TalkTV or Breitbart or the Daily Express.... It’s a real shame of “news reporting”. There’s no responsibility of context (how many similar crimes were committed in recent times and by what ethnicity (for example)). Just cherry picking of events in society to ram home a narrative and keep people watching. If you go on Fox, you will see pages of police station pictures of black people. You will often see the same for white people on something like MSNBC. It’s tiresome. People are just people. Some are scum, most are decent and just want to get on with their lives the best way they know how. |
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Post by knype on Nov 24, 2023 17:06:27 GMT
Go on YouTube mate, look for Talk TV. When you get on their channel click on community, scroll down, it's an ongoing debate you'll find poll after poll after poll. One on just 3 hours ago about immigration, 5.4k votes so far 97% saying its way out of hand. Click on the comments to the pollsand see how many likes their are on them. I'd click the link to paste on here but it doesn't allow it, that's the real world, Real people Talk TV??? Good grief.... Too central for you? |
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 24, 2023 17:10:50 GMT
I've defended your right to hold racist views but you are now tipping over into inciting racial hatred. You are way out of order. You've only got to look at all the opinion polls, you're in the minority Opinion polls are rarely representative. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2023 17:22:21 GMT
You've only got to look at all the opinion polls, you're in the minority Opinion polls are rarely representative. Tell that to the resident lefties |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2023 17:44:43 GMT
You've only got to look at all the opinion polls, you're in the minority Opinion polls are rarely representative. I suspect that depends on who's carrying them out. Just like with politicians, they're not all the same. A Talk TV poll, which will be completed by viewers of that channel, is undoubtedly less valid than, say, a poll carried out by a reputable polling company who've taken the trouble to weight their sample to reflect demographics. It doesn't mean it's 100% correct, after all people lie, but it'll be a more valid representation of views than the TalkTV one or a Guardian one, neither of which will have made any attempt at that. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 24, 2023 18:09:29 GMT
Having worked in a number of countries, a basic requirement for most of the world is a job contract and healthcare insurance. Visa ends as soon as the contract does, overstay and it's imprisonment and deportation. No citizenship handed out. Which is why I'll always be an expat, not an immigrant.
Should I cry 'racism'?
Ironically many of those that do in the UK are from countries that have the policy I outlined above.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 24, 2023 18:40:38 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2023 18:43:56 GMT
That’s from the Daily Mail Cranny, banned by the lefties I’m afraid. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 18:49:12 GMT
Having worked in a number of countries, a basic requirement for most of the world is a job contract and healthcare insurance. Visa ends as soon as the contract does, overstay and it's imprisonment and deportation. No citizenship handed out. Which is why I'll always be an expat, not an immigrant. Should I cry 'racism'? Ironically many of those that do in the UK are from countries that have the policy I outlined above. That's the same conditions 672,000 people came to UK last year and 745,000 the year before. I assume you weren't an asylum seeker but those that enter UK in that way can't work until their claim is processed which results in about 80% approval A British Passport Holders can also go to Canada and New Zealand for six months without a visa and if they find a job they can easily get a work visa Of course before Brexit there were another 27 Countries in Europe you could have freely gone to live and work without any visa requirements |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 24, 2023 19:14:58 GMT
That’s from the Daily Mail Cranny, banned by the lefties I’m afraid. It pays to be widely read Mr Badger. I read The Guardian and The Mail daily to see what dickheads I'm dealing with on both sides. I use Twitter/X when I really want to depress myself. Mick Dundee uses my favoured form of communication; I fucking love that film I've watched it in hotel rooms all over the world. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 24, 2023 19:57:29 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 24, 2023 21:27:32 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
Immigration figures took a big hike under May because she changed the stats to include students. To be fair on May the inclusion of students is standard for published immigration figures in other countries. Students make a massive contribution to the economy and without them UK institutions would be in big trouble financially - cutting foreign student numbers to reduce the numbers would be nuts. The vast majority leave after their course - it's just a constant turnover that effectively inflate the headline figure. The situation with respect to immigration/net migration is way more nuanced than just headline figures. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 22:09:11 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
It's not that simple In some disciplines like Medicine and Dentistry the Government places a Cap on the number of Students it will fund I think in Medicine it is 7,500 per year The capacity could easily be increased but Government won't fund it as they calculate it is cheaper to import Doctors from Overseas which is morally questionable www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/14/ministers-refuse-fund-medical-school-uk-doctor-shortageOn the other hand across all disciplines the Revenue from Overseas Students is a lifeline as they are underfunded Added to that in the last couple of years the Government changed the rules about a) how long a graduate could stay in UK to find Employment from 1 to 3 years and b) how from Masters degrees could bring dependents, although I think they are considering changing this again to PhD I'm quoting from memory, I posted this before but it's essentially correct The end result is that UK is not training enough homegrown doctors and dentists for its requirements and across all disciplines with additional time to find employment more foreign students will stay rather than return to home Country Other than not training more homegrown Doctors and Dentists and you could include Nurses and Care Workers I don't disagree with the policy but it will change the demographic |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2023 22:15:36 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
It's not that simple In some disciplines like Medicine and Dentistry the Government places a Cap on the number of Students it will fund I think in Medicine it is 7,500 per year The capacity could easily be increased but Government won't fund it as they calculate it is cheaper to import Doctors from Overseas which is morally questionable www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/14/ministers-refuse-fund-medical-school-uk-doctor-shortageOn the other hand across all disciplines the Revenue from Overseas Students is a lifeline as they are underfunded Added to that in the last couple of years the Government changed the rules about a) how long a graduate could stay in UK to find Employment from 1 to 3 years and b) how from Masters degrees could bring dependents, although I think they are considering changing this again to PhD I'm quoting from memory, I posted this before but it's essentially correct The end result is that UK is not training enough homegrown doctors and dentists for its requirements and across all disciplines with additional time to find employment more foreign students will stay rather than return to home Country Other than not training more homegrown Doctors and Dentists and you could include Nurses and Care Workers I don't disagree with the policy but it will change the demographic Just be quiet for an hour. Big Nige is on the telly, have some respect! |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 24, 2023 22:31:13 GMT
It's not that simple In some disciplines like Medicine and Dentistry the Government places a Cap on the number of Students it will fund I think in Medicine it is 7,500 per year The capacity could easily be increased but Government won't fund it as they calculate it is cheaper to import Doctors from Overseas which is morally questionable www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/14/ministers-refuse-fund-medical-school-uk-doctor-shortageOn the other hand across all disciplines the Revenue from Overseas Students is a lifeline as they are underfunded Added to that in the last couple of years the Government changed the rules about a) how long a graduate could stay in UK to find Employment from 1 to 3 years and b) how from Masters degrees could bring dependents, although I think they are considering changing this again to PhD I'm quoting from memory, I posted this before but it's essentially correct The end result is that UK is not training enough homegrown doctors and dentists for its requirements and across all disciplines with additional time to find employment more foreign students will stay rather than return to home Country Other than not training more homegrown Doctors and Dentists and you could include Nurses and Care Workers I don't disagree with the policy but it will change the demographic Just be quiet for an hour. Big Nige is on the telly, have some respect! Badger when anyone disses or interrupts Big Nige. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 24, 2023 22:59:07 GMT
It's not that simple In some disciplines like Medicine and Dentistry the Government places a Cap on the number of Students it will fund I think in Medicine it is 7,500 per year The capacity could easily be increased but Government won't fund it as they calculate it is cheaper to import Doctors from Overseas which is morally questionable www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/14/ministers-refuse-fund-medical-school-uk-doctor-shortageOn the other hand across all disciplines the Revenue from Overseas Students is a lifeline as they are underfunded Added to that in the last couple of years the Government changed the rules about a) how long a graduate could stay in UK to find Employment from 1 to 3 years and b) how from Masters degrees could bring dependents, although I think they are considering changing this again to PhD I'm quoting from memory, I posted this before but it's essentially correct The end result is that UK is not training enough homegrown doctors and dentists for its requirements and across all disciplines with additional time to find employment more foreign students will stay rather than return to home Country Other than not training more homegrown Doctors and Dentists and you could include Nurses and Care Workers I don't disagree with the policy but it will change the demographic Just be quiet for an hour. Big Nige is on the telly, have some respect! Aren't you a bit old to be watching kids' tv? |
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Post by mrnovember on Nov 24, 2023 23:13:28 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
We should be proud of the student numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 23:19:05 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
We should be proud of the student numbers. Couldn’t agree more. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 24, 2023 23:29:03 GMT
Having worked in a number of countries, a basic requirement for most of the world is a job contract and healthcare insurance. Visa ends as soon as the contract does, overstay and it's imprisonment and deportation. No citizenship handed out. Which is why I'll always be an expat, not an immigrant. Should I cry 'racism'? Ironically many of those that do in the UK are from countries that have the policy I outlined above. Most countries have systems to deal with people who want to work in a country temporarily or live there permanently. The rules may be different but we do exactly the same - not everyone who works here on a work permit becomes a permanent resident. If they live here more than 12 months they still qualify as a migrant. As would you elsewhere. The thing I find ironic is that those happy to work abroad and declare themselves as "ex pats" are often the same people who come back here and moan their bag off about migrants not wanting to to integrate. I'm not inclined to cry "racism" btt very prepared to cry "hypocrite". |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 24, 2023 23:43:44 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
It's not that simple In some disciplines like Medicine and Dentistry the Government places a Cap on the number of Students it will fund I think in Medicine it is 7,500 per year The capacity could easily be increased but Government won't fund it as they calculate it is cheaper to import Doctors from Overseas which is morally questionable www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/14/ministers-refuse-fund-medical-school-uk-doctor-shortageOn the other hand across all disciplines the Revenue from Overseas Students is a lifeline as they are underfunded Added to that in the last couple of years the Government changed the rules about a) how long a graduate could stay in UK to find Employment from 1 to 3 years and b) how from Masters degrees could bring dependents, although I think they are considering changing this again to PhD I'm quoting from memory, I posted this before but it's essentially correct The end result is that UK is not training enough homegrown doctors and dentists for its requirements and across all disciplines with additional time to find employment more foreign students will stay rather than return to home Country Other than not training more homegrown Doctors and Dentists and you could include Nurses and Care Workers I don't disagree with the policy but it will change the demographic You are right and it explains why the Tories are completely disingenuous about immigration. They want cheap labour from abroad - people who are prepared to work for less, used to being treated like shit and scared to join a union. Stirring up racism among the working classes (and creating even more Draconian laws on benefits) just deflects from that in leaving the EU they want immigration policy to import cheap middle class/skilled labour from countries paying lower wages and worse working conditions to not only eradicate social mobility for the working class here but also means not having to bother educating the uppity lower orders to do the higher skilled jobs. Hasn't anyone got that yet or is Big Nige on the telly? |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2023 23:50:22 GMT
Should we be worried about the student numbers? I don't think so. I lived with non-British students when I was studying and the best we could afford was 4 of us in a converted 2 bed, we were hardly using up loads of housing. No kids, no health problems, and one did part time care work.
Nowadays foreign students can easily pay £25k+ tuition, which is better than exporting a car every year. Seems like a great deal.
If you cut down on students then either you have to make services shitter or raise taxes on working Brits.
We should be proud of the student numbers. I presume you mean Foreign Students which is a credit to the UK Educational Institutions I have no idea what age you are, but are you equally proud of the number of Doctors the UK is training who may become GPs or Consultants to diagnose any future illnesses you may have The number of Dentists the UK is training such that you may get a Dental Appointment to attend to your Oral care. Or the number of Nurses the UK is Training to triage and administer your treatment if you're unfortunate enough to enter Hospital Or the number of Care Workers the UK is training if in your older age try to keep you in your home or if you unfortunately enter Residential Care wipe your Arse. The UK has abandoned this responsibility other than in a rationed way but if you're fortunate you may have enough money to pay for these Services Privately and avoid any need for waiting lists. If you can answer yes to any of the above it would be astonishing as it's simply not happening Caveat: at my age and circumstance I have no vested interest in needing to avail of these services |
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