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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 22, 2022 20:58:13 GMT
With Her Maj barely cold, you're suggesting that her black daughter in law plays at 'blackface'. Now I know that in the poisoned chalice of hate that passes for a brain in your head, this might be nothing to you, but it is in fact racist......unless its a form of that oh so important 'respect' only ardent bootlicking Royalists get? Do you have a fetish for bootlicking? It’s weird He's a very strange guy mate with some serious issues. If I could be arsed I'd feel sorry for him. |
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Post by knype on Sept 23, 2022 3:40:57 GMT
Not sure I've seen you comment on the innocent girl from Liverpools thread ? What in wide, wide world of fucks and whataboutery has that got to with this thread? You lot are genuinely fucking mental. 😄 While we're at it then, you and the poltroon who liked this quite frankly insane post haven't commented on two of your close colleagues on this messageboard racistly suggesting that a black women in The Royal Family has been altering the shade of her skin or been playing 'blackface', to achieve some sort of sympathy. Whatever conclusions could be drawn by that I wonder?! 😀 Just asking the question, close colleagues on here? Not sure who you refer to? My original post still stands... |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 23, 2022 22:14:54 GMT
It’s hard not to when you look at the comments made before and after. I’d say that my assumption is more likely than yours but I’m happy to be proved wrong. I’ll be interested to see what Ms Abbott and Mr Corbyn say “if” it is deemed the officer is found to be blameless because they’d certainly made there mind up. An apology to the officer perhaps? I think it's more likely that as there is a criminal homicide investigation going on, the family have been advised by lawyers to take a step back now rather than anything to do with the footage but we'll see. An interesting release www.inquest.org.uk/chris-kaba-family-respond-to-media-reportsNot sure what to make of it. They seem to be saying don’t judge Chris because of his past but then seem to be doing exactly that with the Police from the comments being made. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 23, 2022 22:19:37 GMT
I think it's more likely that as there is a criminal homicide investigation going on, the family have been advised by lawyers to take a step back now rather than anything to do with the footage but we'll see. An interesting release www.inquest.org.uk/chris-kaba-family-respond-to-media-reportsNot sure what to make of it. They seem to be saying don’t judge Chris because of his past but then seem to be doing exactly that with the Police from the comments being made. Whatever your views it's impossible to argue with this statement in that link. 'There is a long history of the authorities and sections of the media attempting to demonise the dead.' That is certainly a major part of our long and ignoble history. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 23, 2022 22:28:48 GMT
Whatever your views it's impossible to argue with this statement in that link. 'There is a long history of the authorities and sections of the media attempting to demonise the dead.' That is certainly a major part of our long and ignoble history. Can’t argue with that it’s been happening a lot in recent years both in the mainstream media and social media. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 23, 2022 23:53:42 GMT
Equally, just for balance, we can't claim to have a free press if statements of fact are suppressed so that a specific line is carefully towed.
I've read a few of the articles with various references to past behaviour. Do they justify his shooting? No. Do they legitimise it? No. Is it fair that a dead man is unable to defend himself? No. Are the allegations in the public interest? If they are credible and likely true then absolutely. It's not about demonizing the dead but about presenting a balanced representation of reality. The mainstream print media is ideologically a left wing echo chamber at the moment.
If Kaba was unnamed, then it's very likely he was unlawfully killed by the police. It's almost certain that one or more officer will be disciplined and hopefully have their employment terminated as a result. That doesn't alter the facts of why he was known to police and they need to be reported accurately otherwise we are heading in a very dangerous direction.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 24, 2022 0:59:00 GMT
Equally, just for balance, we can't claim to have a free press if statements of fact are suppressed so that a specific line is carefully towed. I've read a few of the articles with various references to past behaviour. Do they justify his shooting? No. Do they legitimise it? No. Is it fair that a dead man is unable to defend himself? No. Are the allegations in the public interest? If they are credible and likely true then absolutely. It's not about demonizing the dead but about presenting a balanced representation of reality. The mainstream print media is ideologically a left wing echo chamber at the moment. If Kaba was unnamed, then it's very likely he was unlawfully killed by the police. It's almost certain that one or more officer will be disciplined and hopefully have their employment terminated as a result. That doesn't alter the facts of why he was known to police and they need to be reported accurately otherwise we are heading in a very dangerous direction. I agree with a lot of what you say re portraying a fair picture however just because he’s unarmed it doesn’t mean he couldn’t have used the vehicle he was driving as a weapon. There’s still so many unanswered questions in relation to factors leading to the decision taken to shoot. - How was the vehicle linked to firearms? - Why was Chris Kaba driving a vehicle not registered to him? - What recent intelligence was there on Chris Kaba? - Why did he fail to stop? - Why did he refuse to exit the vehicle? - What behaviour was he displaying in the car? - Did he say anything? - Did he drive the vehicle with the intention of seriously harming or killing the officers? - What justification did the officer have for shooting him ? All those questions need to be answered and until they are it’s impossible to apportion guilt. I think ultimately it’s going to come down to the last 2 points with the body cam footage being the key evidence. One things for sure it could have been prevented if he’d stopped and just got out. If it was a case of the officer just going up and shooting him for no reason whatsoever as some of those posting on social media would suggest you’d think the officer would be getting dealt with for murder and not be part of a homicide investigation. One things for sure it’s a bloody hard job being a firearms officer where it’s often down to a split second decision that can be the difference between life and death. 99.99 percent of the time they get it right. In the States there’s regularly over 1000 deaths a year where Police Officers have shot civilians. In the U.K. in the last 20 years there’s been a total of 51 fatal police shootings. That’s pretty much 2 a year which is incredibly low when you look at the 1000’s of jobs they must be assigned too. It’s interesting that over the last couple of hours the Kaba family have released this. uk.news.yahoo.com/chris-kaba-family-whole-world-181832800.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIyq0v2OfNB_vRt9BY5Hgum-oVvJ7MSRDwdF5YRFpC4SwZtVVxn63bO4xBueehzm2dnmfFSoIiztaaBZm3dFVsJSK44Y_XIGgugRNX6ibbEuEvKxZsVp4sgEQtKKqupoqIPd9Nb7svz_bHHt3GlyxfgQdnL6on-uH5SzlF_dFrDLIt also looks like more is being released about Kaba which must relate to what the family were saying about the media talking about his past. t.co/8LpyeooUFf |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 25, 2022 8:34:27 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 25, 2022 8:49:50 GMT
My interpretation and I may be totally wrong I would suggest having viewed the footage they realise it’s unlikely the officer is going to be found guilty And there now trying to spread the methods of some perceived justice |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 25, 2022 10:55:20 GMT
My interpretation and I may be totally wrong I would suggest having viewed the footage they realise it’s unlikely the officer is going to be found guilty And there now trying to spread the methods of some perceived justice I think you could be right. I guess ultimately whenever anyone gets shot and dies there’s going to be an argument against the officers decision making. Taking someone’s life is the ultimate decision to make and there will always be people with hindsight willing to say “what if”, “why”, “how come” etc however you can never create that moment when an officers potentially faced with a threat to his own life as tragically Andrew Harper found out when he was dragged along by a vehicle to his death. I guess what everyone wants is a truly independent view and reporting of the case. Colour should not be the overriding factor in the investigation it should be getting the truth and treating those involved as individuals. When I hear all these calls for “justice” I’d like to know what the families idea of justice is? Is it to get the truth whether or not it’s what they want or is it to hang the officer out to dry whether or not he’s acted appropriately. Of course turning it around if the officer is deemed after all the evidence has been examined to have been at fault then he needs dealing with appropriately. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 25, 2022 12:47:47 GMT
My interpretation and I may be totally wrong I would suggest having viewed the footage they realise it’s unlikely the officer is going to be found guilty And there now trying to spread the methods of some perceived justice I think you could be right. I guess ultimately whenever anyone gets shot and dies there’s going to be an argument against the officers decision making. Taking someone’s life is the ultimate decision to make and there will always be people with hindsight willing to say “what if”, “why”, “how come” etc however you can never create that moment when an officers potentially faced with a threat to his own life as tragically Andrew Harper found out when he was dragged along by a vehicle to his death. I guess what everyone wants is a truly independent view and reporting of the case. Colour should not be the overriding factor in the investigation it should be getting the truth and treating those involved as individuals. When I hear all these calls for “justice” I’d like to know what the families idea of justice is? Is it to get the truth whether or not it’s what they want or is it to hang the officer out to dry whether or not he’s acted appropriately. Of course turning it around if the officer is deemed after all the evidence has been examined to have been at fault then he needs dealing with appropriately. If you put yourself in the shoes of the family, what would your idea of justice be? I suspect it would be a bit different from what your idea is from afar. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 25, 2022 13:42:31 GMT
I think you could be right. I guess ultimately whenever anyone gets shot and dies there’s going to be an argument against the officers decision making. Taking someone’s life is the ultimate decision to make and there will always be people with hindsight willing to say “what if”, “why”, “how come” etc however you can never create that moment when an officers potentially faced with a threat to his own life as tragically Andrew Harper found out when he was dragged along by a vehicle to his death. I guess what everyone wants is a truly independent view and reporting of the case. Colour should not be the overriding factor in the investigation it should be getting the truth and treating those involved as individuals. When I hear all these calls for “justice” I’d like to know what the families idea of justice is? Is it to get the truth whether or not it’s what they want or is it to hang the officer out to dry whether or not he’s acted appropriately. Of course turning it around if the officer is deemed after all the evidence has been examined to have been at fault then he needs dealing with appropriately. If you put yourself in the shoes of the family, what would your idea of justice be? I suspect it would be a bit different from what your idea is from afar. I don’t disagree. There’s no doubt about it that there idea of justice is different and I’m certainly not the one to ask as I have an opinion that maybe is itself a little biased and as I only have the facts of what happened which in itself are very basic. Mine’s just an opinion but the family have to be willing to accept a decision that’s made by the IOPC who are independent. You can’t have a system where you can only be happy if the decision goes your way regardless of whether it’s right or wrong. Of course the key is the CCTV which barely anyone has seen yet despite this it hasn’t stopped many on social media describing the case as a “murder.” I think the problem for the Police have is that due to it being a live investigation they are unable to say anything of note in respect to what happened however the Kaba family despite saying they are going to take a back seat are in my opinion being badly advised and are appearing to continue to stoke the fire before the other side / evidence is heard which can’t help but prejudice the case. I just hope that when the investigation is concluded that the CCTV is made available to the public as it’s important that there’s transparancy. I’m sure that there are some that whatever it shows will be unwilling to change there opinion but for the majority it will hopefully offer some closure and will allow those who are in a position to too take steps to rebuild what is a very poor relationship between the Met Police and the residents of London. Fair play to the residents and Police in Croydon who started that last night in a meeting. There has to be more communication in the community for things to improve. |
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Post by Boothen on Sept 25, 2022 21:22:03 GMT
Equally, just for balance, we can't claim to have a free press if statements of fact are suppressed so that a specific line is carefully towed. I've read a few of the articles with various references to past behaviour. Do they justify his shooting? No. Do they legitimise it? No. Is it fair that a dead man is unable to defend himself? No. Are the allegations in the public interest? If they are credible and likely true then absolutely. It's not about demonizing the dead but about presenting a balanced representation of reality. The mainstream print media is ideologically a left wing echo chamber at the moment. If Kaba was unnamed, then it's very likely he was unlawfully killed by the police. It's almost certain that one or more officer will be disciplined and hopefully have their employment terminated as a result. That doesn't alter the facts of why he was known to police and they need to be reported accurately otherwise we are heading in a very dangerous direction. He wasn't unarmed, this cunt tried to kill police officers with a two ton Audi. A car is considered, and quite rightly so, to be deadly weapon by armed officers. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 28, 2022 6:09:41 GMT
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Post by knype on Sept 28, 2022 6:22:49 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 28, 2022 13:10:10 GMT
I know we’ve had our disagreements in the past but we’ll said this report is spot on and totally fair. All most sound minded people want is a fair hearing. Call the Police “murderers”, “racists”, “executioners” or “killers” once the investigation is complete and if the officers found guilty not before it’s started. There’s people that have made their decision without knowing any facts other than Chris Kaba was shot and that he was black. By doing this they’re demonstrating the same prejudice they accuse Police of. I keep hearing the word “justice” thrown around. What I want to know is what those protesting’s idea of justice is. I get the idea that those protesting’s idea of justice is making the officer pay whether he’s identified as being right or wrong. If we’re to get equality surely we need to have discussions not create division by posting inflamatory comments. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 28, 2022 22:48:16 GMT
I know we’ve had our disagreements in the past but we’ll said this report is spot on and totally fair. All most sound minded people want is a fair hearing. Call the Police “murderers”, “racists”, “executioners” or “killers” once the investigation is complete and if the officers found guilty not before it’s started. There’s people that have made their decision without knowing any facts other than Chris Kaba was shot and that he was black. By doing this they’re demonstrating the same prejudice they accuse Police of. I keep hearing the word “justice” thrown around. What I want to know is what those protesting’s idea of justice is. I get the idea that those protesting’s idea of justice is making the officer pay whether he’s identified as being right or wrong. If we’re to get equality surely we need to have discussions not create division by posting inflamatory comments. I think as has happened before, the police are taking a beating due to their reputation. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that public belief in the force as at all in time low and with good reason. Let's not get too down in that discussion. We have had it many times. Other cases have been clear cut (like the fella who shoed Dalian Atkinson in the skull and gloated to his colleagues), but this isn't. Jumping to conclusions here is not the right move. There's every chance the police officer will be found at fault but with so many unanswered questions, the output of the investigation needs to clear up the gaps in our shared understanding. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 28, 2022 22:55:57 GMT
I know we’ve had our disagreements in the past but we’ll said this report is spot on and totally fair. All most sound minded people want is a fair hearing. Call the Police “murderers”, “racists”, “executioners” or “killers” once the investigation is complete and if the officers found guilty not before it’s started. There’s people that have made their decision without knowing any facts other than Chris Kaba was shot and that he was black. By doing this they’re demonstrating the same prejudice they accuse Police of. I keep hearing the word “justice” thrown around. What I want to know is what those protesting’s idea of justice is. I get the idea that those protesting’s idea of justice is making the officer pay whether he’s identified as being right or wrong. If we’re to get equality surely we need to have discussions not create division by posting inflamatory comments. I think as has happened before, the police are taking a beating due to their reputation. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that public belief in the force as at all in time low and with good reason. Let's not get too down in that discussion. We have had it many times. Other cases have been clear cut (like the fella who shoed Dalian Atkinson in the skull and gloated to his colleagues), but this isn't. Jumping to conclusions here is not the right move. There's every chance the police officer will be found at fault but with so many unanswered questions, the output of the investigation needs to clear up the gaps in our shared understanding. Maybe he will maybe he won’t but some of the names being thrown around are very wrong. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 29, 2022 2:00:25 GMT
As a point of accuracy this is not a "Report" unless of course it reinforces your world view Im struggling to understand why this opinion piece written by an expat living in Poland has any particular merit
He earns his crust writing for Right Wing Publications, this one confounded by an ERG Straegist Others based in Australia and yet more owned by the Barklay's (Telegraph etc)
The people most clamouring on this thread for patience to await the outcome of a proper Investigation are Hypocritically the ones most ardently reaching their own conclusions and drawing inferences when none should be drawn until the Investigation is complete
I do agree however that "names being thrown around" like calling Kaba "a Cunt" on a couple of occasions is not helpful
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Post by knype on Sept 29, 2022 3:47:34 GMT
As a point of accuracy this is not a "Report" unless of course it reinforces your world view Im struggling to understand why this opinion piece written by an expat living in Poland has any particular merit He earns his crust writing for Right Wing Publications, this one confounded by an ERG Straegist Others based in Australia and yet more owned by the Barklay's (Telegraph etc) The people most clamouring on this thread for patience to await the outcome of a proper Investigation are Hypocritically the ones most ardently reaching their own conclusions and drawing inferences when none should be drawn until the Investigation is complete I do agree however that "names being thrown around" like calling Kaba "a Cunt" on a couple of occasions is not helpful Doesn't matter who has written it, it is still a good balanced write up of the labels being thrown around by a certain few after the event before anyone knows the full details. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 29, 2022 9:10:09 GMT
As a point of accuracy this is not a "Report" unless of course it reinforces your world view Im struggling to understand why this opinion piece written by an expat living in Poland has any particular merit He earns his crust writing for Right Wing Publications, this one confounded by an ERG Straegist Others based in Australia and yet more owned by the Barklay's (Telegraph etc) The people most clamouring on this thread for patience to await the outcome of a proper Investigation are Hypocritically the ones most ardently reaching their own conclusions and drawing inferences when none should be drawn until the Investigation is complete I do agree however that "names being thrown around" like calling Kaba "a Cunt" on a couple of occasions is not helpful It's an op-ed. A proper report (albeit rare to see in the MSM nowadays) is written without bias or subjective opinion. This piece is clearly the authors opinion... Hence Op-ed. The reason it has any merit whatsoever is because it is the first article I've come across that is actually balanced. Now we've got that confusion out of the way, I think your remaining points are utterly wild. If you perceive the above article to be right wing then I would argue that you have shielded yourself in such a tight echo chamber, that anything which doesn't align with your world view will automatically be categorised as right wing. Brexit? Right wing. Capitalism? Right wing. Sky News? Right wing. BBC? Right wing. The Guardian? Wonderful. The Telegraph? Neo-Fascist. There are no conclusions to draw yet and the only conclusions that I've seen printed are those laying it on the police. I still believe there's every chance that the police will be held responsible but until the facts emerge we just don't know. The fact the investigation will take months when people need answers now is another failure of our system. From social media and a news perspective, I find it utterly wrong just how much Kaba is being sexified. Different conversation for a different day I suppose. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 29, 2022 11:53:29 GMT
As a point of accuracy this is not a "Report" unless of course it reinforces your world view Im struggling to understand why this opinion piece written by an expat living in Poland has any particular merit He earns his crust writing for Right Wing Publications, this one confounded by an ERG Straegist Others based in Australia and yet more owned by the Barklay's (Telegraph etc) The people most clamouring on this thread for patience to await the outcome of a proper Investigation are Hypocritically the ones most ardently reaching their own conclusions and drawing inferences when none should be drawn until the Investigation is complete I do agree however that "names being thrown around" like calling Kaba "a Cunt" on a couple of occasions is not helpful It's an op-ed. A proper report (albeit rare to see in the MSM nowadays) is written without bias or subjective opinion. This piece is clearly the authors opinion... Hence Op-ed. The reason it has any merit whatsoever is because it is the first article I've come across that is actually balanced. Now we've got that confusion out of the way, I think your remaining points are utterly wild. If you perceive the above article to be right wing then I would argue that you have shielded yourself in such a tight echo chamber, that anything which doesn't align with your world view will automatically be categorised as right wing. Brexit? Right wing. Capitalism? Right wing. Sky News? Right wing. BBC? Right wing. The Guardian? Wonderful. The Telegraph? Neo-Fascist. There are no conclusions to draw yet and the only conclusions that I've seen printed are those laying it on the police. I still believe there's every chance that the police will be held responsible but until the facts emerge we just don't know. The fact the investigation will take months when people need answers now is another failure of our system. From social media and a news perspective, I find it utterly wrong just how much Kaba is being sexified. Different conversation for a different day I suppose. I am glad you agree with me that it is an opinion piece A report would constitute examination of the facts of the matter at hand, of which there is very little so far except that Kaba was shot by a Police Officer and that the IOPC have launched 2 enquiries One a Homicide Enquiry into the lawfulness of the shooting and Second Enguiry into whether the shooting had a Racial Motivation So there we have it. One of Aesop's famous Proverbs is that "A Man is known by the Company he keeps" The other main contributors to The Critic are David Starkey who trashed his TV career by expressing his Racist views on Newsnight. Joshua Rozenberg (Husband of Melanie Phillips) and Toby Young who wrote an Article on Eugenics proposing that selection of Embryos of High Intelligence be provided Free of Charge o Low Income / Low IQ Families. I think it's fair to draw the conclusion then that the writer of this Opinion Piece may have Right of Centre views. I have no idea why you have introduced Brexit and Capitalism into the discussion As for MSM i tend to read a variety of Publications but my opinions are my own. I think this leads to an avoidance of speaking into an Echo Chamber which only goes to reinforce your World View Other than this MB I don't use Social Media so I can only accept when you say what some Nut Jobs are speculating |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 29, 2022 13:17:11 GMT
It's an op-ed. A proper report (albeit rare to see in the MSM nowadays) is written without bias or subjective opinion. This piece is clearly the authors opinion... Hence Op-ed. The reason it has any merit whatsoever is because it is the first article I've come across that is actually balanced. Now we've got that confusion out of the way, I think your remaining points are utterly wild. If you perceive the above article to be right wing then I would argue that you have shielded yourself in such a tight echo chamber, that anything which doesn't align with your world view will automatically be categorised as right wing. Brexit? Right wing. Capitalism? Right wing. Sky News? Right wing. BBC? Right wing. The Guardian? Wonderful. The Telegraph? Neo-Fascist. There are no conclusions to draw yet and the only conclusions that I've seen printed are those laying it on the police. I still believe there's every chance that the police will be held responsible but until the facts emerge we just don't know. The fact the investigation will take months when people need answers now is another failure of our system. From social media and a news perspective, I find it utterly wrong just how much Kaba is being sexified. Different conversation for a different day I suppose. I am glad you agree with me that it is an opinion piece A report would constitute examination of the facts of the matter at hand, of which there is very little so far except that Kaba was shot by a Police Officer and that the IOPC have launched 2 enquiries One a Homicide Enquiry into the lawfulness of the shooting and Second Enguiry into whether the shooting had a Racial Motivation So there we have it. One of Aesop's famous Proverbs is that "A Man is known by the Company he keeps" The other main contributors to The Critic are David Starkey who trashed his TV career by expressing his Racist views on Newsnight. Joshua Rozenberg (Husband of Melanie Phillips) and Toby Young who wrote an Article on Eugenics proposing that selection of Embryos of High Intelligence be provided Free of Charge o Low Income / Low IQ Families. I think it's fair to draw the conclusion then that the writer of this Opinion Piece may have Right of Centre views. I have no idea why you have introduced Brexit and Capitalism into the discussion As for MSM i tend to read a variety of Publications but my opinions are my own. I think this leads to an avoidance of speaking into an Echo Chamber which only goes to reinforce your World View Other than this MB I don't use Social Media so I can only accept when you say what some Nut Jobs are speculating Ahh, so there we have it: The IOPC have launched 2 inquiries so there you go... must be murder. Good stuff. What you've just done is construct a strawman argument. I said that the article represents a balanced view, which it does. Your response to this statement was, paraphrased, "No it's not, because David Starkey happens to write for the same paper and he's right wing". You've attacked a non-existent argument that I was never trying to make. Whether or not David Starkey is moderately right wing, a Neo-Nazi or a close friend of Adolf Hitler and is sheltering him in his basement, doesn't actually counter my original point which was, I repeat: The article I posted is very good read because it provides a balanced representation of reality. It is ideologically neutral, unlike articles being spaffed out by the Guardian. My point about Brexit and Capitalism, is that if you honestly believe that the above article is right wing, then I suspect that you see everything as right wing. The article is written from an almost entirely neutral viewpoint. My point about social media, the MSM and the 'sexification' is unrelated to the conversation we are having. It's worth a discussion though, for sure. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 29, 2022 14:14:16 GMT
I am glad you agree with me that it is an opinion piece A report would constitute examination of the facts of the matter at hand, of which there is very little so far except that Kaba was shot by a Police Officer and that the IOPC have launched 2 enquiries One a Homicide Enquiry into the lawfulness of the shooting and Second Enguiry into whether the shooting had a Racial Motivation So there we have it. One of Aesop's famous Proverbs is that "A Man is known by the Company he keeps" The other main contributors to The Critic are David Starkey who trashed his TV career by expressing his Racist views on Newsnight. Joshua Rozenberg (Husband of Melanie Phillips) and Toby Young who wrote an Article on Eugenics proposing that selection of Embryos of High Intelligence be provided Free of Charge o Low Income / Low IQ Families. I think it's fair to draw the conclusion then that the writer of this Opinion Piece may have Right of Centre views. I have no idea why you have introduced Brexit and Capitalism into the discussion As for MSM i tend to read a variety of Publications but my opinions are my own. I think this leads to an avoidance of speaking into an Echo Chamber which only goes to reinforce your World View Other than this MB I don't use Social Media so I can only accept when you say what some Nut Jobs are speculating Ahh, so there we have it: The IOPC have launched 2 inquiries so there you go... must be murder. Good stuff. What you've just done is construct a strawman argument. I said that the article represents a balanced view, which it does. Your response to this statement was, paraphrased, "No it's not, because David Starkey happens to write for the same paper and he's right wing". You've attacked a non-existent argument that I was never trying to make. Whether or not David Starkey is moderately right wing, a Neo-Nazi or a close friend of Adolf Hitler and is sheltering him in his basement, doesn't actually counter my original point which was, I repeat: The article I posted is very good read because it provides a balanced representation of reality. It is ideologically neutral, unlike articles being spaffed out by the Guardian. My point about Brexit and Capitalism, is that if you honestly believe that the above article is right wing, then I suspect that you see everything as right wing. The article is written from an almost entirely neutral viewpoint. My point about social media, the MSM and the 'sexification' is unrelated to the conversation we are having. It's worth a discussion though, for sure. How preposterous your comments are. To equate my stating of the facts to you interpreting me concluding I think it was murder is quite a stretch, even to the hard of thinking I would have thought it would be patently obvious to most people that if you write for a Right Wing Publications and all the other Contributors are Right Wing then your views are probably Right Wing. It's the "If it walks like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck, it's probably a Duck" hypothesis If this is not sufficient evidence you could look at another opinion piece by Mr Sixsmith wherein he endorses The Met Police practice of removing Youtube Videos of Drill Music to conclude that Sixsmith is more predisposed to the Met Police than a Drill Artist. thecritic.co.uk/should-the-police-censor-music/The Original Article represents a balanced view only in your mind and perhaps others and its certainly not Neutral evidenced by Sixsmith's previous views on record of The Met Police and Drill Music. I stress again it is only an Opinion of which you obviously share with Sixsmith. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, myself I prefer to await until the Facts emerge Capitalism and certainly Brexit have no Wings you are trying to fabricate a fatuous construct to justify their introduction by you in the first place |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 29, 2022 15:34:29 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Sept 29, 2022 20:49:55 GMT
Ahh, so there we have it: The IOPC have launched 2 inquiries so there you go... must be murder. Good stuff. What you've just done is construct a strawman argument. I said that the article represents a balanced view, which it does. Your response to this statement was, paraphrased, "No it's not, because David Starkey happens to write for the same paper and he's right wing". You've attacked a non-existent argument that I was never trying to make. Whether or not David Starkey is moderately right wing, a Neo-Nazi or a close friend of Adolf Hitler and is sheltering him in his basement, doesn't actually counter my original point which was, I repeat: The article I posted is very good read because it provides a balanced representation of reality. It is ideologically neutral, unlike articles being spaffed out by the Guardian. My point about Brexit and Capitalism, is that if you honestly believe that the above article is right wing, then I suspect that you see everything as right wing. The article is written from an almost entirely neutral viewpoint. My point about social media, the MSM and the 'sexification' is unrelated to the conversation we are having. It's worth a discussion though, for sure. How preposterous your comments are. To equate my stating of the facts to you interpreting me concluding I think it was murder is quite a stretch, even to the hard of thinking I would have thought it would be patently obvious to most people that if you write for a Right Wing Publications and all the other Contributors are Right Wing then your views are probably Right Wing. It's the "If it walks like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck, it's probably a Duck" hypothesis If this is not sufficient evidence you could look at another opinion piece by Mr Sixsmith wherein he endorses The Met Police practice of removing Youtube Videos of Drill Music to conclude that Sixsmith is more predisposed to the Met Police than a Drill Artist. thecritic.co.uk/should-the-police-censor-music/The Original Article represents a balanced view only in your mind and perhaps others and its certainly not Neutral evidenced by Sixsmith's previous views on record of The Met Police and Drill Music. I stress again it is only an Opinion of which you obviously share with Sixsmith. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, myself I prefer to await until the Facts emerge Capitalism and certainly Brexit have no Wings you are trying to fabricate a fatuous construct to justify their introduction by you in the first place Feel free to provide an article which aligns to your world view  |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 30, 2022 0:35:06 GMT
How preposterous your comments are. To equate my stating of the facts to you interpreting me concluding I think it was murder is quite a stretch, even to the hard of thinking I would have thought it would be patently obvious to most people that if you write for a Right Wing Publications and all the other Contributors are Right Wing then your views are probably Right Wing. It's the "If it walks like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck, it's probably a Duck" hypothesis If this is not sufficient evidence you could look at another opinion piece by Mr Sixsmith wherein he endorses The Met Police practice of removing Youtube Videos of Drill Music to conclude that Sixsmith is more predisposed to the Met Police than a Drill Artist. thecritic.co.uk/should-the-police-censor-music/The Original Article represents a balanced view only in your mind and perhaps others and its certainly not Neutral evidenced by Sixsmith's previous views on record of The Met Police and Drill Music. I stress again it is only an Opinion of which you obviously share with Sixsmith. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, myself I prefer to await until the Facts emerge Capitalism and certainly Brexit have no Wings you are trying to fabricate a fatuous construct to justify their introduction by you in the first place Feel free to provide an article which aligns to your world view Which part of my comment: "As for MSM i tend to read a variety of Publications but my opinions are my own" did you fail to understand I am very comfortable that you may have different "Opinions" to myself. I am equally comfortable that Mr Sixsmith may have different "Opinions" to myself What I sometimes correct is when these "Opinions" are dogmatically presented as anything other than what they are, "Opinions" In the fullness of time the IOPC will reach its findings, I am quite patient to await that outcome. It seems others are more in a rush to judgement and make inferences where none exist, just pure conjecture. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 30, 2022 6:09:16 GMT
Feel free to provide an article which aligns to your world view Which part of my comment: "As for MSM i tend to read a variety of Publications but my opinions are my own" did you fail to understand I am very comfortable that you may have different "Opinions" to myself. I am equally comfortable that Mr Sixsmith may have different "Opinions" to myself What I sometimes correct is when these "Opinions" are dogmatically presented as anything other than what they are, "Opinions" In the fullness of time the IOPC will reach its findings, I am quite patient to await that outcome. It seems others are more in a rush to judgement and make inferences where none exist, just pure conjecture. Interesting. If you are saying that you are neutral and are simply awaiting the outcome of any investigations tbc, then we are aligned. Hello friend Trust me, you can ask Cobham, the last thing I would do is rush to defend the police.  |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 30, 2022 15:07:09 GMT
Which part of my comment: "As for MSM i tend to read a variety of Publications but my opinions are my own" did you fail to understand I am very comfortable that you may have different "Opinions" to myself. I am equally comfortable that Mr Sixsmith may have different "Opinions" to myself What I sometimes correct is when these "Opinions" are dogmatically presented as anything other than what they are, "Opinions" In the fullness of time the IOPC will reach its findings, I am quite patient to await that outcome. It seems others are more in a rush to judgement and make inferences where none exist, just pure conjecture. Interesting. If you are saying that you are neutral and are simply awaiting the outcome of any investigations tbc, then we are aligned. Hello friend Trust me, you can ask Cobham, the last thing I would do is rush to defend the police. He’s right Though I have to say MH you’ve won me over on this thread. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 5, 2022 7:20:08 GMT
Interesting to see some context to this now.
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