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Post by knype on Nov 5, 2022 11:32:51 GMT
Interesting to see some context to this now. Very much so, maybe now it maybe suggested he was suffering from a mental illness... |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 5, 2022 11:56:18 GMT
Interesting to see some context to this now. Really? How? This has all the hallmarks of a Police "Leak" (obviously Kaba is not in a position to defend himself against an allegation) The Police have already said they had no idea who was in the car when Kaba was shot The car Kaba was shot in was allegedly involved in a firearms incident the previous day and was not owned by Kaba nor was any weapon found in the car after he was shot The car Kaba was shot in has no connection to the shooting incident a week previous What this Article is saying is that a shooting incident took place a week before Kaba was shot. 4 men have been charged over that incident and "Allegedly " Kaba was also present What context does that provide where Kaba may or may not have been present at a shooting a week before he himself was shot in a car that had nothing to do with the previous shooting and when he was shot Police had no idea who was in the car? As I have said endlessly I am quite content to await the outcome of the IOPC Report before making any judgement in this case |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 21, 2023 18:15:49 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 21, 2023 20:26:38 GMT
This can't be true as he was a lovely man... |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 10:16:47 GMT
This can't be true as he was a lovely man... How convenient Kaba was shot dead and thus unable to defend himself in that well known principle of "Innocent unless proven Guilty" Id imagine that some people are a bit twitchy while the CPS consider the IOPC Report into his shooting so throwing around a bit of dirt which can't be proved one way or another is a good ploy |
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Post by knype on Apr 22, 2023 10:21:10 GMT
This can't be true as he was a lovely man... How convenient Kaba was shot dead and thus unable to defend himself in that well known principle of "Innocent unless proven Guilty" Id imagine that some people are a bit twitchy while the CPS consider the IOPC Report into his shooting so throwing around a bit of dirt which can't be proved one way or another is a good ploy Why who is doing that? |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 10:33:58 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 22, 2023 12:39:53 GMT
I guess time will tell. Hopefully the CPS / Jury will come to the right decision. |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 13:15:41 GMT
I guess time will tell. Hopefully the CPS / Jury will come to the right decision. Time will indeed tell Obviously no Jury will be involved unless CPS decide to charge. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 22, 2023 14:33:19 GMT
I guess time will tell. Hopefully the CPS / Jury will come to the right decision. Time will indeed tell Obviously no Jury will be involved unless CPS decide to charge. The Jury was referring to the case where he and his friends are suspects. |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 15:01:21 GMT
Time will indeed tell Obviously no Jury will be involved unless CPS decide to charge. The Jury was referring to the case where he and his friends are suspects. He's not a suspect, he's dead If he had lived he may or may not have been charged and he may or may not have been convicted, we shall never know. In the aftermath of Kaba's shooting and at his inquest it was stated it was the car that was being pursued due to a shooting incident but that Kaba was not a suspect The IOPC lead investigator, Dean Brown, confirmed the Audi that Kaba had been driving was “believed to be linked to a firearms incident which took place the previous day”. He told the inquest the Audi was followed and that no lights or sirens were used. He also said Kaba was not a suspect. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/04/chris-kaba-was-followed-by-police-before-being-fatally-shot-hears-inquest |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 22, 2023 16:08:28 GMT
The Jury was referring to the case where he and his friends are suspects. He's not a suspect, he's dead If he had lived he may or may not have been charged and he may or may not have been convicted, we shall never know. In the aftermath of Kaba's shooting and at his inquest it was stated it was the car that was being pursued due to a shooting incident but that Kaba was not a suspect The IOPC lead investigator, Dean Brown, confirmed the Audi that Kaba had been driving was “believed to be linked to a firearms incident which took place the previous day”. He told the inquest the Audi was followed and that no lights or sirens were used. He also said Kaba was not a suspect. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/04/chris-kaba-was-followed-by-police-before-being-fatally-shot-hears-inquestIt appears that things have moved on since then. I don’t believe the suspects for the shooting in the club were identified till after the death/shooting of Chris Kaba so at the time they may have only had the vehicle linked to the shooting at the club hence the comment around Kaba not being a suspect. As you say I guess we’ll never formally know but I think people will draw there conclusions from the facts known and if there are co defendents what happens to them. There’ve been plenty of cases where this has happened Fred West Raoul Mote Jeffrey Epstein Jimmy Saville Never formally sentenced but clearly guilty |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 17:44:05 GMT
He's not a suspect, he's dead If he had lived he may or may not have been charged and he may or may not have been convicted, we shall never know. In the aftermath of Kaba's shooting and at his inquest it was stated it was the car that was being pursued due to a shooting incident but that Kaba was not a suspect The IOPC lead investigator, Dean Brown, confirmed the Audi that Kaba had been driving was “believed to be linked to a firearms incident which took place the previous day”. He told the inquest the Audi was followed and that no lights or sirens were used. He also said Kaba was not a suspect. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/04/chris-kaba-was-followed-by-police-before-being-fatally-shot-hears-inquestIt appears that things have moved on since then. I don’t believe the suspects for the shooting in the club were identified till after the death/shooting of Chris Kaba so at the time they may have only had the vehicle linked to the shooting at the club hence the comment around Kaba not being a suspect. As you say I guess we’ll never formally know but I think people will draw there conclusions from the facts known and if there are co defendents what happens to them. There’ve been plenty of cases where this has happened Fred West Raoul Mote Jeffrey Epstein Jimmy Saville Never formally sentenced but clearly guilty I've seen many debates on here about various people the general consensus being "Innocent unless proven otherwise" If you hold a different view on someone who was neither charged nor in a position to defend themselves fair enough I suppose if that's your opinion Epstein pled guilty and was convicted in 2008 of procuring a 14 year old girl for the purpose of prostitution. This of course didn't stop Andrew continuing to associate with him. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 22, 2023 18:35:21 GMT
It appears that things have moved on since then. I don’t believe the suspects for the shooting in the club were identified till after the death/shooting of Chris Kaba so at the time they may have only had the vehicle linked to the shooting at the club hence the comment around Kaba not being a suspect. As you say I guess we’ll never formally know but I think people will draw there conclusions from the facts known and if there are co defendents what happens to them. There’ve been plenty of cases where this has happened Fred West Raoul Mote Jeffrey Epstein Jimmy Saville Never formally sentenced but clearly guilty I've seen many debates on here about various people the general consensus being "Innocent unless proven otherwise" If you hold a different view on someone who was neither charged nor in a position to defend themselves fair enough I suppose if that's your opinion Epstein pled guilty and was convicted in 2008 of procuring a 14 year old girl for the purpose of prostitution. This of course didn't stop Andrew continuing to associate with him. so with that rational Andrew is innocent then because it’s never been proved other than him being in the photo that he committed any sexual act and he’s always denied it. I think he’s as guilty as sin but that’s going against the “innocent till proven guilty” rational. |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 19:05:39 GMT
I've seen many debates on here about various people the general consensus being "Innocent unless proven otherwise" If you hold a different view on someone who was neither charged nor in a position to defend themselves fair enough I suppose if that's your opinion Epstein pled guilty and was convicted in 2008 of procuring a 14 year old girl for the purpose of prostitution. This of course didn't stop Andrew continuing to associate with him. so with that rational Andrew is innocent then because it’s never been proved other than him being in the photo that he committed any sexual act and he’s always denied it. I think he’s as guilty as sin but that’s going against the “innocent till proven guilty” rational. It was a Civil Case and he decided to pay £12M to make it go away so I'd say you're on pretty safe ground in your assumption |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 20, 2023 15:13:28 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Sept 20, 2023 15:23:40 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 20, 2023 15:25:31 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up.
It’ll be a very interesting court case.
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Post by Gawa on Sept 20, 2023 16:57:40 GMT
How come this case has processed so quickly but the unlawful killing of Sean Fitzgerald is still no closer to concluding over 4 years later.
RIP young man.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 20, 2023 17:08:44 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case. Was always going to happen to avoid rioting. CPS are gutless and the hope is that this is kicked down the road and the responsibility placed on a jury. I imagine there are plenty of firearms officers up and down the country contemplating their wish to carry right now. |
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Post by franklin on Sept 20, 2023 17:16:37 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case. It's a tragic matter all round but as you say the Court case will be interesting. |
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Post by knype on Sept 20, 2023 17:42:32 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case. Was always going to happen to avoid rioting. CPS are gutless and the hope is that this is kicked down the road and the responsibility placed on a jury. I imagine there are plenty of firearms officers up and down the country contemplating their wish to carry right now. Absolutely spot on |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 17:47:03 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case. And riots to follow. |
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Post by Boothen on Sept 20, 2023 19:14:41 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case. Was always going to happen to avoid rioting. CPS are gutless and the hope is that this is kicked down the road and the responsibility placed on a jury. I imagine there are plenty of firearms officers up and down the country contemplating their wish to carry right now. Indeed. Hope the fella gets gets completely exonerated and cleared of any wrong doing. And we all know that when that happens the demographic in question will start looting and burning down their own communities and then blame it all on whitey. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 20, 2023 21:56:23 GMT
Was always going to happen to avoid rioting. CPS are gutless and the hope is that this is kicked down the road and the responsibility placed on a jury. I imagine there are plenty of firearms officers up and down the country contemplating their wish to carry right now. Indeed. Hope the fella gets gets completely exonerated and cleared of any wrong doing. And we all know that when that happens the demographic in question will start looting and burning down their own communities and then blame it all on whitey. My hope is that the court case is reported honestly and with integrity by the media and that everything is revealed in respect to the evidence so that the public see the whole picture from both perspectives. I would imagine it will be a long case and could have a huge impact on the Police and in particular those officers who carry firearms. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 20, 2023 22:06:47 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case.
You can’t have a system where you can only be happy if the decision goes your way regardless of whether it’s right or wrong.
Can you hazard a guess who made this comment a few months ago? |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 20, 2023 22:07:11 GMT
What confuses me a bit is that in Northern Ireland all our police are firearms trained and carry guns. But we rarely ever have people being shot by police like they do in England.
Do Wales and Scotland get much people being shot by police?
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 20, 2023 22:30:40 GMT
Can’t say it’s a huge surprise as if they didn’t charge the officer they’d be accused of corruption / covering up. It’ll be a very interesting court case.
You can’t have a system where you can only be happy if the decision goes your way regardless of whether it’s right or wrong.
Can you hazard a guess who made this comment a few months ago? Well the case hasn’t been heard yet so we’ll see what happens then won’t we if the officer is found “not guilty.” As I and others have said it’s more than likely that the fear of a backlash may have had an influence on the CPS re the charging decision, so by charging the officer the decision has taken the final decision out of there hands and puts it firmly in the jury’s. A full trial is the most transparent way and the most public and revealing way of painting a picture of what happened, something which wouldn’t happen if it didn’t make it to court. There’d always be questions and accusations if that happened. This could be a very important case in relation to the arming of police. If I was a firearms officer and after hearing the case it felt like the officer had been unfairly treated I’d be handing my card in as it would make me feel very badly let down. That of course though is speculation. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 22:33:44 GMT
Indeed. Hope the fella gets gets completely exonerated and cleared of any wrong doing. And we all know that when that happens the demographic in question will start looting and burning down their own communities and then blame it all on whitey. My hope is that the court case is reported honestly and with integrity by the media There is no chance of that happening mate. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 20, 2023 22:39:46 GMT
What confuses me a bit is that in Northern Ireland all our police are firearms trained and carry guns. But we rarely ever have people being shot by police like they do in England. Do Wales and Scotland get much people being shot by police? Here’s a list of those shot dead by police in the U.K. very low in number www.inquest.org.uk/fatal-police-shootingsI’d imagine that people killing each other with guns is far far higher. |
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