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Post by misterj on Sept 10, 2022 12:32:31 GMT
What about a monorail similar to Alton Towers, no need to interfere with road system as it would be above roads starting point e.g. Stoke train station and finishing at or near the stadium funded by the Coates family and just running on matchdays? It would cost millions for a few weeks a year. Same reason the train station idea was rejected. Imagine the planning involved aso. Surely with bet365 money, levelling up donation and dept.transport input it could be achieved?
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 10, 2022 12:34:30 GMT
What about a monorail similar to Alton Towers, no need to interfere with road system as it would be above roads starting point e.g. Stoke train station and finishing at or near the stadium funded by the Coates family and just running on matchdays? Can't they dig down to the old pit and use the conveyors? No transport disruption and a good reminder of our industrial heritage? Win win.
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Post by misterj on Sept 10, 2022 14:53:26 GMT
I like your outside-the-box creative thinking J Roar!!
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Post by woodstein on Sept 10, 2022 14:57:19 GMT
Or like the one at Old Trafford. Just a platform which is serviced just on matchdays from Piccadilly or from the other direction. Which has now closed. They have a great tram system that drops nearby though. Also Sheffield areas good one.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 10, 2022 18:25:32 GMT
Are people really suggesting a railway station is built for 20 odd events per year?
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 10, 2022 18:36:13 GMT
Are people really suggesting a railway station is built for 20 odd events per year? A tram system which serves trentham.lakes and the stadium is a better idea with the amount of warehouses etc
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2022 18:40:45 GMT
Are people really suggesting a railway station is built for 20 odd events per year? Yes.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 10, 2022 18:45:52 GMT
Unfortunately it’s a pie in the sky idea. Anything regarding Stoke City would have to be funded by the Coates and there’s no way they’re going to get into all that shite. A better bus schedule would be fine but I’m not sure even that is plausible, we’ll just have to suck it up. Easy to say for me as I’m not far from the ground, but still, it won’t happen, probably ever
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 10, 2022 18:47:43 GMT
Are people really suggesting a railway station is built for 20 odd events per year? Yes. Ah well do they want a sleigh port built for Santa as well.
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 10, 2022 19:49:42 GMT
Ah well do they want a sleigh port built for Santa as well. irrelevant point, it might not be used often but when it does it would be used by thousands at a time. Would probably be used more than Longport/ Meir stations if you count the users per year. Don’t get why our supporters are so against the idea of helping our own fans out?
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Post by Scouse on Sept 10, 2022 19:54:13 GMT
From what I understand Stoke needs ( amongst other things ) a vast improvement to its transport system .. not only for its existing businesses / population .. but to attract further investment , businesses and indeed individuals to the area .. businesses need a workforce that can get to their place of work
A halt at the ground is not the answer without a joined up plan and improvement to vastly improve existing transport , who would use the halt and how they access it would just be the start of any study .. studies that often cost millions and get nowhere
Currently considering moving to the area ..but the city centre ( Hanley ) , poor transport ( both rail , and local busses frequency , destination , first and last service , ) the silverdale landfill issue and a general apathy amongst the council & others towards the city I’ve grown to love ) are real concerns ..and make it a difficult choice .. and that’s with the flip side of Liverpool having serious crime & drug issues , has been trying & failing to get a tram system for at least the last 20 years ..but still has a vastly superior transport system to Stoke ( tho large swathes of the city suffer if your not close to 1 of the 3 rail lines in the area , city ( Manchester/ Wigan route via Huyton) Northern or Wirral line ..think estimates for Liverpools 2 line tram system with a city loop was 360 million and rising when it was last on the agenda ..it did once even get to preferred bidder stage ..but it made Derby County’s preferred bidder debacle seem a walk in the park
note this isn’t Liverpools better ..blah blah , far from it ..but to show even with the many mistakes Liverpool city region makes they’re still looking forward and pushing central government for funding on specific projects , rather than waiting for them to level up ...the people don’t let them get away with doing nothing .. sadly I don’t see or hear that from Stoke ..
As I get older I’d prefer to use public transport more , but there’s no point in moving ( or at the very least a serious deterrent ) if I still have to get in the car to go the game because there’s no public transport
On the specifics of the other night game I’m sure the new COO will have seen it as a total disaster ( I hope so at least ) threatening future events and revenue at the club ..and indeed his own position ( justified or not ) ..a park and ride that prevents visitors from not only getting to the event but also prevents visitors from outside the area spending money in the area really is a disaster
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Post by skip on Sept 11, 2022 0:19:58 GMT
I'm fascinated by the legendary late architect and planner Cedric Price who conceived of the Potteries ThinkBelt. Originally conceived as a means of making a transport network to primary educational institutions, if only Stoke on Trent City Council could revisit this and reimagine it for the 21st Century. It is still seen as a wonderful example of lateral progressive thinking let down by a council who couldn't think beyond what they could see with their eyes. www.morethangreen.es/en/potteries-thinkbelt-by-cedric-price/
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 11, 2022 8:40:22 GMT
From what I understand Stoke needs ( amongst other things ) a vast improvement to its transport system .. not only for its existing businesses / population .. but to attract further investment , businesses and indeed individuals to the area .. businesses need a workforce that can get to their place of work A halt at the ground is not the answer without a joined up plan and improvement to vastly improve existing transport , who would use the halt and how they access it would just be the start of any study .. studies that often cost millions and get nowhere Currently considering moving to the area ..but the city centre ( Hanley ) , poor transport ( both rail , and local busses frequency , destination , first and last service , ) the silverdale landfill issue and a general apathy amongst the council & others towards the city I’ve grown to love ) are real concerns ..and make it a difficult choice .. and that’s with the flip side of Liverpool having serious crime & drug issues , has been trying & failing to get a tram system for at least the last 20 years ..but still has a vastly superior transport system to Stoke ( tho large swathes of the city suffer if your not close to 1 of the 3 rail lines in the area , city ( Manchester/ Wigan route via Huyton) Northern or Wirral line ..think estimates for Liverpools 2 line tram system with a city loop was 360 million and rising when it was last on the agenda ..it did once even get to preferred bidder stage ..but it made Derby County’s preferred bidder debacle seem a walk in the park note this isn’t Liverpools better ..blah blah , far from it ..but to show even with the many mistakes Liverpool city region makes they’re still looking forward and pushing central government for funding on specific projects , rather than waiting for them to level up ...the people don’t let them get away with doing nothing .. sadly I don’t see or hear that from Stoke .. As I get older I’d prefer to use public transport more , but there’s no point in moving ( or at the very least a serious deterrent ) if I still have to get in the car to go the game because there’s no public transport On the specifics of the other night game I’m sure the new COO will have seen it as a total disaster ( I hope so at least ) threatening future events and revenue at the club ..and indeed his own position ( justified or not ) ..a park and ride that prevents visitors from not only getting to the event but also prevents visitors from outside the area spending money in the area really is a disaster Fantastic post Scouse. We all moan and complain about the local council and lack of investment etc but nobody will invest until there is a proper plan for an integrated public transport policy and programme. A proper tram type system linking the main housing areas to the main retail and industrial areas is an absolute minimum for any decent sized city to be able to thrive - all this city does is build more and more housing and more and more warehousing but no plan to get people around the city other than being stuck in traffic jams at rush hour - who wants that. This city is in a fantastic geographical location with 3 international airports within an hour and less than 90 minutes to London by train, low cost housing and some of the best English countryside only a few miles away. The problem is I don’t think anyone at the local authority has the capability or vision to get it done How did cities like Manchester and Sheffield get their transport systems sorted (granted they are larger cities though).
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2022 9:07:33 GMT
From what I understand Stoke needs ( amongst other things ) a vast improvement to its transport system .. not only for its existing businesses / population .. but to attract further investment , businesses and indeed individuals to the area .. businesses need a workforce that can get to their place of work A halt at the ground is not the answer without a joined up plan and improvement to vastly improve existing transport , who would use the halt and how they access it would just be the start of any study .. studies that often cost millions and get nowhere Currently considering moving to the area ..but the city centre ( Hanley ) , poor transport ( both rail , and local busses frequency , destination , first and last service , ) the silverdale landfill issue and a general apathy amongst the council & others towards the city I’ve grown to love ) are real concerns ..and make it a difficult choice .. and that’s with the flip side of Liverpool having serious crime & drug issues , has been trying & failing to get a tram system for at least the last 20 years ..but still has a vastly superior transport system to Stoke ( tho large swathes of the city suffer if your not close to 1 of the 3 rail lines in the area , city ( Manchester/ Wigan route via Huyton) Northern or Wirral line ..think estimates for Liverpools 2 line tram system with a city loop was 360 million and rising when it was last on the agenda ..it did once even get to preferred bidder stage ..but it made Derby County’s preferred bidder debacle seem a walk in the park note this isn’t Liverpools better ..blah blah , far from it ..but to show even with the many mistakes Liverpool city region makes they’re still looking forward and pushing central government for funding on specific projects , rather than waiting for them to level up ...the people don’t let them get away with doing nothing .. sadly I don’t see or hear that from Stoke .. As I get older I’d prefer to use public transport more , but there’s no point in moving ( or at the very least a serious deterrent ) if I still have to get in the car to go the game because there’s no public transport On the specifics of the other night game I’m sure the new COO will have seen it as a total disaster ( I hope so at least ) threatening future events and revenue at the club ..and indeed his own position ( justified or not ) ..a park and ride that prevents visitors from not only getting to the event but also prevents visitors from outside the area spending money in the area really is a disaster Fantastic post Scouse. We all moan and complain about the local council and lack of investment etc but nobody will invest until there is a proper plan for an integrated public transport policy and programme. A proper tram type system linking the main housing areas to the main retail and industrial areas is an absolute minimum for any decent sized city to be able to thrive - all this city does is build more and more housing and more and more warehousing but no plan to get people around the city other than being stuck in traffic jams at rush hour - who wants that. This city is in a fantastic geographical location with 3 international airports within an hour and less than 90 minutes to London by train, low cost housing and some of the best English countryside only a few miles away. The problem is I don’t think anyone at the local authority has the capability or vision to get it done How did cities like Manchester and Sheffield get their transport systems sorted (granted they are larger cities though). I think lack of vision is an issue but far more importantly lack of money means it will never happen unless central government pumps lots of money in - and why would they? - The centralised state that we have compares hugely unfavourably to federal countries such as Germany Our councils are pretty toothless
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 9:17:31 GMT
From what I understand Stoke needs ( amongst other things ) a vast improvement to its transport system .. not only for its existing businesses / population .. but to attract further investment , businesses and indeed individuals to the area .. businesses need a workforce that can get to their place of work A halt at the ground is not the answer without a joined up plan and improvement to vastly improve existing transport , who would use the halt and how they access it would just be the start of any study .. studies that often cost millions and get nowhere Currently considering moving to the area ..but the city centre ( Hanley ) , poor transport ( both rail , and local busses frequency , destination , first and last service , ) the silverdale landfill issue and a general apathy amongst the council & others towards the city I’ve grown to love ) are real concerns ..and make it a difficult choice .. and that’s with the flip side of Liverpool having serious crime & drug issues , has been trying & failing to get a tram system for at least the last 20 years ..but still has a vastly superior transport system to Stoke ( tho large swathes of the city suffer if your not close to 1 of the 3 rail lines in the area , city ( Manchester/ Wigan route via Huyton) Northern or Wirral line ..think estimates for Liverpools 2 line tram system with a city loop was 360 million and rising when it was last on the agenda ..it did once even get to preferred bidder stage ..but it made Derby County’s preferred bidder debacle seem a walk in the park note this isn’t Liverpools better ..blah blah , far from it ..but to show even with the many mistakes Liverpool city region makes they’re still looking forward and pushing central government for funding on specific projects , rather than waiting for them to level up ...the people don’t let them get away with doing nothing .. sadly I don’t see or hear that from Stoke .. As I get older I’d prefer to use public transport more , but there’s no point in moving ( or at the very least a serious deterrent ) if I still have to get in the car to go the game because there’s no public transport On the specifics of the other night game I’m sure the new COO will have seen it as a total disaster ( I hope so at least ) threatening future events and revenue at the club ..and indeed his own position ( justified or not ) ..a park and ride that prevents visitors from not only getting to the event but also prevents visitors from outside the area spending money in the area really is a disaster Fantastic post Scouse. We all moan and complain about the local council and lack of investment etc but nobody will invest until there is a proper plan for an integrated public transport policy and programme. A proper tram type system linking the main housing areas to the main retail and industrial areas is an absolute minimum for any decent sized city to be able to thrive - all this city does is build more and more housing and more and more warehousing but no plan to get people around the city other than being stuck in traffic jams at rush hour - who wants that. This city is in a fantastic geographical location with 3 international airports within an hour and less than 90 minutes to London by train, low cost housing and some of the best English countryside only a few miles away. The problem is I don’t think anyone at the local authority has the capability or vision to get it done How did cities like Manchester and Sheffield get their transport systems sorted (granted they are larger cities though). 3rd and 4th largest cities in England aren't they, larger area and population? Does it make sense for what is a fairly small city in size and numbers? To be fair, no.
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Post by generationex on Sept 11, 2022 10:26:20 GMT
The irony is the city is riddled with mass transport networks built by Victorians to move coal, clay, pottery and steel to and from the sea, to Shelton Bar and Hem Heath Colliery and Wedgwood etc. Sadly it’s too late to save the abandoned train lines that are all over Stoke.
The city is already 30 years too late to sensibly consider a full tram network, if this was to happen the time to plan for this was the early 90s, though predictably it’s being trotted out only now as those forward thinking cities show the benefits.
The advantage we have is that we are so far behind we could just ignore the last 30 years. The arrival of driverless electric vehicles is likely to make car ownership a thing of the past and if the city began to plan for this now we could be at the forefront of the next wave of transport.
But, just in relation to the poorly located 365, one reason the road ‘network’ to the stadium is so poor is because it’s isolated from the city by the canal and rail tracks that run just metres away. It’s hard to believe there isn’t a solution that doesn’t involve access by train. There are sidings a few hundred meters away. It would cost several millions but that is small beer in terms of infrastructure.
I also think it would present the city in a really positive light if we operated a ‘canal train’ from the station to the ground on match days. I’m sure people would be happy to travel at 4 miles an hour to for an unusual match day experience. Millions are due to be spent by the station/canal - this needs to be part of that investment and it costs (relatively) peanuts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 10:30:29 GMT
The irony is the city is riddled with mass transport networks built by Victorians to move coal, clay, pottery and steel to and from the sea, to Shelton Bar and Hem Heath Colliery and Wedgwood etc. Sadly it’s too late to save the abandoned train lines that are all over Stoke. The city is already 30 years too late to sensibly consider a full tram network, if this was to happen the time to plan for this was the early 90s, though predictably it’s being trotted out only now as those forward thinking cities show the benefits. The advantage we have is that we are so far behind we could just ignore the last 30 years. The arrival of driverless electric vehicles is likely to make car ownership a thing of the past and if the city began to plan for this now we could be at the forefront of the next wave of transport. But, just in relation to the poorly located 365, one reason the road network to the stadium is so poor is because it’s isolated from the city by the canal and rail tracks that run just metres away. It’s hard to believe there isn’t a solution that doesn’t involve access by train. There are sidings a few hundred meters away. It would cost several millions but that is small beer in terms of infrastructure. I also think it would present the city in a really positive light if we operated a ‘canal train’ from the station to the ground on match days. I’m sure people would be happy to travel at 4 miles an hour to for an unusual match day experience. Millions are due to be spent by the station/canal - this needs to be part of that investment and it costs (relatively) peanuts. It's located on the 2 busiest roads into the city so it's perfectly located but access the problem.
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Post by generationex on Sept 11, 2022 10:31:26 GMT
Yes but you can’t get to the roads because of the canal and train tracks !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 10:49:56 GMT
Yes but you can’t get to the roads because of the canal and train tracks ! A bit ironic really 😁
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 11, 2022 11:30:48 GMT
Yes but you can’t get to the roads because of the canal and train tracks ! Bloody Victorians...how inconsiderate! Just a quick "what if" image....All those stations that could/would have been used today in a world of modern integrated transport! Oh and without going too far off topic for some of the younger posters, Alton Towers had a station too! Attachments:
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Post by waddosnavy on Sept 11, 2022 13:58:30 GMT
From what I understand Stoke needs ( amongst other things ) a vast improvement to its transport system .. not only for its existing businesses / population .. but to attract further investment , businesses and indeed individuals to the area .. businesses need a workforce that can get to their place of work A halt at the ground is not the answer without a joined up plan and improvement to vastly improve existing transport , who would use the halt and how they access it would just be the start of any study .. studies that often cost millions and get nowhere Currently considering moving to the area ..but the city centre ( Hanley ) , poor transport ( both rail , and local busses frequency , destination , first and last service , ) the silverdale landfill issue and a general apathy amongst the council & others towards the city I’ve grown to love ) are real concerns ..and make it a difficult choice .. and that’s with the flip side of Liverpool having serious crime & drug issues , has been trying & failing to get a tram system for at least the last 20 years ..but still has a vastly superior transport system to Stoke ( tho large swathes of the city suffer if your not close to 1 of the 3 rail lines in the area , city ( Manchester/ Wigan route via Huyton) Northern or Wirral line ..think estimates for Liverpools 2 line tram system with a city loop was 360 million and rising when it was last on the agenda ..it did once even get to preferred bidder stage ..but it made Derby County’s preferred bidder debacle seem a walk in the park note this isn’t Liverpools better ..blah blah , far from it ..but to show even with the many mistakes Liverpool city region makes they’re still looking forward and pushing central government for funding on specific projects , rather than waiting for them to level up ...the people don’t let them get away with doing nothing .. sadly I don’t see or hear that from Stoke .. As I get older I’d prefer to use public transport more , but there’s no point in moving ( or at the very least a serious deterrent ) if I still have to get in the car to go the game because there’s no public transport On the specifics of the other night game I’m sure the new COO will have seen it as a total disaster ( I hope so at least ) threatening future events and revenue at the club ..and indeed his own position ( justified or not ) ..a park and ride that prevents visitors from not only getting to the event but also prevents visitors from outside the area spending money in the area really is a disaster Very true Scouse. I too like to use public transport whenever possible. Older members on this forum will recall how it was stated we would be a very rich nation when North Sea oil & gas was discovered - gas would be virtually free. I was fortunate to work in Stavanger, Norway from 1998 to end of 2001. We used to go going camping to a small community in a valley on the edge of Frafafjord via a small precarious mountain road, where there were regular rockfalls. The road ended there. The names of the small community were nearly all Frafa, probably after Mr Frafa who had originally settled there. I doubt if 100 people lived there. Anyway the road got too dangerous and a lengthy tunnel was built through the mountain just for that community. We visited Stavanger just a few years ago. They had streamlined their public transport. Easy to use ticket machines at bus stops, enabling no delays in boarding by having to pay the driver. On some stretches of road, two centre lanes had been created just for buses and when approaching a road junction traffic lights would detect the buses approach and change to Green keeping buses on schedule. Sadly, UK is a bankrupt nation and although politicians talk the talk we do not have the finance for such projects as above or as another fine example Singapore.
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 11, 2022 16:35:24 GMT
The irony is the city is riddled with mass transport networks built by Victorians to move coal, clay, pottery and steel to and from the sea, to Shelton Bar and Hem Heath Colliery and Wedgwood etc. Sadly it’s too late to save the abandoned train lines that are all over Stoke. The city is already 30 years too late to sensibly consider a full tram network, if this was to happen the time to plan for this was the early 90s, though predictably it’s being trotted out only now as those forward thinking cities show the benefits. The advantage we have is that we are so far behind we could just ignore the last 30 years. The arrival of driverless electric vehicles is likely to make car ownership a thing of the past and if the city began to plan for this now we could be at the forefront of the next wave of transport. But, just in relation to the poorly located 365, one reason the road ‘network’ to the stadium is so poor is because it’s isolated from the city by the canal and rail tracks that run just metres away. It’s hard to believe there isn’t a solution that doesn’t involve access by train. There are sidings a few hundred meters away. It would cost several millions but that is small beer in terms of infrastructure. I also think it would present the city in a really positive light if we operated a ‘canal train’ from the station to the ground on match days. I’m sure people would be happy to travel at 4 miles an hour to for an unusual match day experience. Millions are due to be spent by the station/canal - this needs to be part of that investment and it costs (relatively) peanuts. I do like the idea of traveling by boat to be fair! I’m sure it’ll be a unique experience for home and away fans coming from the train station. The council have already stated that it could be happening with the new goods yard project, which looks amazing, work will start on it this month in fact. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yard‘We’re planning to open up the water’s edge to the public and creating a mooring point for canal boats or water taxis.’ www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/new-images-released-stokes-60m-21641952.amp‘The city council has made a bid for £16 million from the government's Levelling Up Fund to support the development, which will also feature a restaurant and bar and a water taxi service which will help to transport passengers to the bet365 Stadium.’ This sounds great doesn’t it, having a pint at the bar then hop on a barge to the ground!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 16:38:50 GMT
The irony is the city is riddled with mass transport networks built by Victorians to move coal, clay, pottery and steel to and from the sea, to Shelton Bar and Hem Heath Colliery and Wedgwood etc. Sadly it’s too late to save the abandoned train lines that are all over Stoke. The city is already 30 years too late to sensibly consider a full tram network, if this was to happen the time to plan for this was the early 90s, though predictably it’s being trotted out only now as those forward thinking cities show the benefits. The advantage we have is that we are so far behind we could just ignore the last 30 years. The arrival of driverless electric vehicles is likely to make car ownership a thing of the past and if the city began to plan for this now we could be at the forefront of the next wave of transport. But, just in relation to the poorly located 365, one reason the road ‘network’ to the stadium is so poor is because it’s isolated from the city by the canal and rail tracks that run just metres away. It’s hard to believe there isn’t a solution that doesn’t involve access by train. There are sidings a few hundred meters away. It would cost several millions but that is small beer in terms of infrastructure. I also think it would present the city in a really positive light if we operated a ‘canal train’ from the station to the ground on match days. I’m sure people would be happy to travel at 4 miles an hour to for an unusual match day experience. Millions are due to be spent by the station/canal - this needs to be part of that investment and it costs (relatively) peanuts. I do like the idea of traveling by boat to be fair! I’m sure it’ll be a unique experience for home and away fans coming from the train station. The council have already stated that it could be happening with the new goods yard project, which looks amazing, work will start on it this month in fact. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yard‘We’re planning to open up the water’s edge to the public and creating a mooring point for canal boats or water taxis.’ www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/new-images-released-stokes-60m-21641952.amp‘The city council has made a bid for £16 million from the government's Levelling Up Fund to support the development, which will also feature a restaurant and bar and a water taxi service which will help to transport passengers to the bet365 Stadium.’ This sounds great doesn’t it, having a pint at the bar then hop on a barge to the ground! It would be so cool but some would still turn up at 2-59 😉 I would do that every week....take the barge not turn up at 2-59
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2022 16:43:19 GMT
I do like the idea of traveling by boat to be fair! I’m sure it’ll be a unique experience for home and away fans coming from the train station. The council have already stated that it could be happening with the new goods yard project, which looks amazing, work will start on it this month in fact. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yard‘We’re planning to open up the water’s edge to the public and creating a mooring point for canal boats or water taxis.’ www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/new-images-released-stokes-60m-21641952.amp‘The city council has made a bid for £16 million from the government's Levelling Up Fund to support the development, which will also feature a restaurant and bar and a water taxi service which will help to transport passengers to the bet365 Stadium.’ This sounds great doesn’t it, having a pint at the bar then hop on a barge to the ground! It would be so cool but some would still turn up at 2-59 😉 I would do that every week....take the barge not turn up at 2-59 Narrowboat😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2022 17:22:49 GMT
It would be so cool but some would still turn up at 2-59 😉 I would do that every week....take the barge not turn up at 2-59 Narrowboat😉 Little raft would do me
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 11, 2022 17:35:32 GMT
The irony is the city is riddled with mass transport networks built by Victorians to move coal, clay, pottery and steel to and from the sea, to Shelton Bar and Hem Heath Colliery and Wedgwood etc. Sadly it’s too late to save the abandoned train lines that are all over Stoke. The city is already 30 years too late to sensibly consider a full tram network, if this was to happen the time to plan for this was the early 90s, though predictably it’s being trotted out only now as those forward thinking cities show the benefits. The advantage we have is that we are so far behind we could just ignore the last 30 years. The arrival of driverless electric vehicles is likely to make car ownership a thing of the past and if the city began to plan for this now we could be at the forefront of the next wave of transport. But, just in relation to the poorly located 365, one reason the road ‘network’ to the stadium is so poor is because it’s isolated from the city by the canal and rail tracks that run just metres away. It’s hard to believe there isn’t a solution that doesn’t involve access by train. There are sidings a few hundred meters away. It would cost several millions but that is small beer in terms of infrastructure. I also think it would present the city in a really positive light if we operated a ‘canal train’ from the station to the ground on match days. I’m sure people would be happy to travel at 4 miles an hour to for an unusual match day experience. Millions are due to be spent by the station/canal - this needs to be part of that investment and it costs (relatively) peanuts. I do like the idea of traveling by boat to be fair! I’m sure it’ll be a unique experience for home and away fans coming from the train station. The council have already stated that it could be happening with the new goods yard project, which looks amazing, work will start on it this month in fact. www.capitalandcentric.com/goods-yard‘We’re planning to open up the water’s edge to the public and creating a mooring point for canal boats or water taxis.’ www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/new-images-released-stokes-60m-21641952.amp‘The city council has made a bid for £16 million from the government's Levelling Up Fund to support the development, which will also feature a restaurant and bar and a water taxi service which will help to transport passengers to the bet365 Stadium.’ This sounds great doesn’t it, having a pint at the bar then hop on a barge to the ground! Are there free barges to away games?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 11, 2022 17:52:53 GMT
I went to a match on a boat once. A boat was coming up behind us, so I joked my uncle should ask for a lift. He only went and asked, and on the boat we went.
The canals could be a great(er) asset for the city and not just for transport.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 11, 2022 18:16:13 GMT
Fantastic post Scouse. We all moan and complain about the local council and lack of investment etc but nobody will invest until there is a proper plan for an integrated public transport policy and programme. A proper tram type system linking the main housing areas to the main retail and industrial areas is an absolute minimum for any decent sized city to be able to thrive - all this city does is build more and more housing and more and more warehousing but no plan to get people around the city other than being stuck in traffic jams at rush hour - who wants that. This city is in a fantastic geographical location with 3 international airports within an hour and less than 90 minutes to London by train, low cost housing and some of the best English countryside only a few miles away. The problem is I don’t think anyone at the local authority has the capability or vision to get it done How did cities like Manchester and Sheffield get their transport systems sorted (granted they are larger cities though). 3rd and 4th largest cities in England aren't they, larger area and population? Does it make sense for what is a fairly small city in size and numbers? To be fair, no. Nottingham? Similar size? If ever there was a city crying out for decent public transport it's Stoke-on-Trent.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 11, 2022 20:42:14 GMT
From what I understand Stoke needs ( amongst other things ) a vast improvement to its transport system .. not only for its existing businesses / population .. but to attract further investment , businesses and indeed individuals to the area .. businesses need a workforce that can get to their place of work A halt at the ground is not the answer without a joined up plan and improvement to vastly improve existing transport , who would use the halt and how they access it would just be the start of any study .. studies that often cost millions and get nowhere Currently considering moving to the area ..but the city centre ( Hanley ) , poor transport ( both rail , and local busses frequency , destination , first and last service , ) the silverdale landfill issue and a general apathy amongst the council & others towards the city I’ve grown to love ) are real concerns ..and make it a difficult choice .. and that’s with the flip side of Liverpool having serious crime & drug issues , has been trying & failing to get a tram system for at least the last 20 years ..but still has a vastly superior transport system to Stoke ( tho large swathes of the city suffer if your not close to 1 of the 3 rail lines in the area , city ( Manchester/ Wigan route via Huyton) Northern or Wirral line ..think estimates for Liverpools 2 line tram system with a city loop was 360 million and rising when it was last on the agenda ..it did once even get to preferred bidder stage ..but it made Derby County’s preferred bidder debacle seem a walk in the park note this isn’t Liverpools better ..blah blah , far from it ..but to show even with the many mistakes Liverpool city region makes they’re still looking forward and pushing central government for funding on specific projects , rather than waiting for them to level up ...the people don’t let them get away with doing nothing .. sadly I don’t see or hear that from Stoke .. As I get older I’d prefer to use public transport more , but there’s no point in moving ( or at the very least a serious deterrent ) if I still have to get in the car to go the game because there’s no public transport On the specifics of the other night game I’m sure the new COO will have seen it as a total disaster ( I hope so at least ) threatening future events and revenue at the club ..and indeed his own position ( justified or not ) ..a park and ride that prevents visitors from not only getting to the event but also prevents visitors from outside the area spending money in the area really is a disaster Fantastic post Scouse. We all moan and complain about the local council and lack of investment etc but nobody will invest until there is a proper plan for an integrated public transport policy and programme. A proper tram type system linking the main housing areas to the main retail and industrial areas is an absolute minimum for any decent sized city to be able to thrive - all this city does is build more and more housing and more and more warehousing but no plan to get people around the city other than being stuck in traffic jams at rush hour - who wants that. This city is in a fantastic geographical location with 3 international airports within an hour and less than 90 minutes to London by train, low cost housing and some of the best English countryside only a few miles away. The problem is I don’t think anyone at the local authority has the capability or vision to get it done How did cities like Manchester and Sheffield get their transport systems sorted (granted they are larger cities though). 👍. 2nd & 3rd paragraphs. The City’s geographical location has been sold short for at least four decades. Sold short to the likes of St Modwen?, just check out their land grap from Blyth Bridge to Tunstall along the A500 and A50, potentially the most central/accessible link between the M6/M1 corridor in the U.K. Plus as you say our proximity to four international airports and fast and frequent rail links between Manchester and London. Poor foresight/ambition or something far more sinister (£££’s in the wrong direction) Festival Park has been a significant nail in the coffin of the retail sector in Hanley, who owned/owns/developed the site (guess who)? Why would you demolish housing (foot fall) close to a City Centre and create the likes of Norton Heights which leads to the obvious abottle necks into/out of your City Centre (££££’s…am I being cynical?) My dad said 40 years ago that the problem is that the people of Stoke go in for a rise of a penny and accept a farthing, whereas the scousers ask for a shilling and accept sixpence. Second best being seen as an achievement. Was he being over critical? Not sure but if our leadership had/has the same level of thinking/ambition ( and possibly personal £££) look at our City today. Apologies for a cynical view point.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 11, 2022 22:18:25 GMT
Here's a rail map site showing old lines. Quite staggering how much was around Stoke-on-Trent. The mineral lines alone would have made an amazing light rail network www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php
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