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Post by werrington on Sept 8, 2022 11:41:32 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really? This post is up there
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 12:51:19 GMT
Weird because I remember (if I’m remembering correctly) there was some sort of pre-game fanfare for renaming the north stand “the boothen end” but it must’ve been a good few years after we’d moved in. I’m thinking it was at least 5 years after. Yes that is correct it was known really as North stand but the fans called it boothen end from the start As I say - if true, that's ridiculous. For a start, it faces away from the old Boothen End.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 12:56:01 GMT
Yes that is correct it was known really as North stand but the fans called it boothen end from the start As I say - if true, that's ridiculous. For a start, it faces away from the old Boothen End. Wasn't a fanfare...just an announcement pre game .
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Post by Veritas on Sept 8, 2022 13:23:11 GMT
Yes that is correct it was known really as North stand but the fans called it boothen end from the start As I say - if true, that's ridiculous. For a start, it faces away from the old Boothen End. Yes but it is the end of the ground nearest to Boothen in exactly the same way as at the Vic.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 13:44:11 GMT
As I say - if true, that's ridiculous. For a start, it faces away from the old Boothen End. Yes but it is the end of the ground nearest to Boothen in exactly the same way as at the Vic. So the ground configuration was changed for that. Christ.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 8, 2022 14:13:23 GMT
This thread sounds like a computer game where you build a football ground from scratch in fantasy cuckoo land. Can anyone tell me how many trains use the line behind the ground or do we expect British rail to introduce a whole new timetable for Stoke matchday, even when changed at the last minute or for cup games arranged 2/3weeks in advance? I have read implying that the club/Coates should fund the building of such a station - so it won't belong to British Rail so why should they run trains to it or are we suggesting we should just give BR the money to build it? Normal match day traffic is largely at the moment caused by home fans. How many of them live near a station or are we expecting them to drive to a station, catch a train, queue to catch a train home then drive home? Building a tram service is expensive and again only runs along one or two routes not just running in a mazy line round everywhere. NET in Nottingham opened one line 20 years ago and another 10 years ago linking 4 Park and ride stations to the middle of the city. Despite being well used, having a station at the hospital and Nottingham having a workplace parking levy on firm's providing parking to employees in the city, it is losing approx £20 million a year and has nowhere near paid for its construction yet. Manchester is quoted as an example of how it could work but my son and husband used to use it regularly when my son was at uni there but said the queues getting away after the game were so bad they decided to drive in and park up at one of the businesses around the ground or catch it before the match and get me to pick them up afterwards near the ground. We are where we are and have to put up with it. Away fans do tend to drive to a ground expecting to be able to find parking and I do think better signage would help. The number of times we get held up by people without passes trying to get on the North car park is infuriating and would be alleviated if there were signs on the lead up directing drivers without tickets straight down towards Trentham. The idea of a P&R somewhere on the Trentham side might work but at the moment a lot of the holdups seem to be due to stopping cars to allow buses through. You would need to encourage people to use them but if you are 70+ or unfirm on your feet you can't queue for a bus and then stand on it to get to your car. Accessing/Exiting the stadium is a pigs ear and has been from day one. Now that the whole of Trentham Lakes site is completed both residential and commercial traffic require (are entitled to) road access. Night matches in particular must be a nightmare for both. In respect of your comments regarding signage…….🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟. Electronic informative signage along all access routes would be extremely helpful, as it would on the car parks at the stadium. The traffic lights on Trentham Road used to be managed by the Police after games, is that still the case? If not why not? Social media (Twitter etc) is an excellent way to publicise available parking in and around the stadium and local areas i.e. Campbell Rd and warnings about illegal parking. Agreements could be reached with all clubs to use social media to post information in the days leading up to the match, keeping their own supporters informed. In respect of the recently reported problems of the Trentham Park & Ride system what route were the buses using, Trentham Road or A34/A50? If it was via Trentham Road it was doomed to fail. The failures on the night have significantly blighted the reputation of the Club and City, possibly for years. Small but significant improvements could be made…..that needs significant will and initiative something that appears to have been sadly lacking from all organisational stakeholders.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 8, 2022 14:19:16 GMT
If i remember correctly the majority of the fans wanted to stay at the old vic ground and redevelop that area, but because the owners of the ground were promised free funding from the council etc to relocate it was always their view to move, probably if they were as rich as they are now we would have stayed, but the funding was only available to move to the area we are at now, no where else in the city Pretty much how it happened as the costs to redevelop the old ground were huge and not the room to improve hospitality etc West Brom?. Visionary investment in the Vic had been sadly lacking for years and that’s one of the reasons that it became uneconomical to repair or improve. Many fine memories of the Boothen End, the toilets hadn’t changed/improved since I started to attend in the early 60’s
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 14:19:24 GMT
Yes but it is the end of the ground nearest to Boothen in exactly the same way as at the Vic. So the ground configuration was changed for that. Christ. It wasn't
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 14:23:33 GMT
Pretty much how it happened as the costs to redevelop the old ground were huge and not the room to improve hospitality etc West Brom?. Visionary investment in the Vic had been sadly lacking for years and that’s one of the reasons that it became uneconomical to repair or improve. Many fine memories of the Boothen End, the toilets hadn’t changed/improved since I started to attend in the early 60’s At West Brom they made a stand so high it has restricted views, the hospitality is poor and they didn't have a river to deal with which was the biggest issue . The facilities were better on Noah's Ark than they were at the Vic. The original wish was to develop the ground but simply didn't make financial sense.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 8, 2022 14:25:54 GMT
Yes but it is the end of the ground nearest to Boothen in exactly the same way as at the Vic. So the ground configuration was changed for that. Christ. Who said anything about ground configuration being changed? The name changed from North to Boothen that's all.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 15:07:36 GMT
So the ground configuration was changed for that. Christ. Who said anything about ground configuration being changed? The name changed from North to Boothen that's all. Spoton said it and Laughing Gravy said it was built the wrong way round.
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Post by spoton on Sept 8, 2022 15:18:27 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really? There was no plans for a train station,I have a plan of the original outline for the stadium and around the area and no plan of a station was ever discussed
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 8, 2022 15:19:51 GMT
Who said anything about ground configuration being changed? The name changed from North to Boothen that's all. Spoton said it and Laughing Gravy said it was built the wrong way round. That was just my personal opinion, I've no insight into the original planning or construction other than it must have been completed by an imbecile or have been the subject of massive bungs. My opinion is that if it had been built the opposite way round and pushed back towards the railway line the access issues would have been greatly alleviated. And the ground would look so much better on driving onto the estate rather than seeing it's arse end and having to drive round a stupidly narrow feeder road to see the main entrance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 15:24:15 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really? There was no plans for a train station,I have a plan of the original outline for the stadium and around the area and no plan of a station was ever discussed There were no drawn station plans on either stadium design, why would there be if not approved ? but 100% was discussed and never got out off the ground. The plan wasn't to build it at the time of the stadium construction but to look at it at later date with road issues etc Moxey himself actually addressed the issue
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 8, 2022 15:54:33 GMT
Spoton said it and Laughing Gravy said it was built the wrong way round. That was just my personal opinion, I've no insight into the original planning or construction other than it must have been completed by an imbecile or have been the subject of massive bungs. My opinion is that if it had been built the opposite way round and pushed back towards the railway line the access issues would have been greatly alleviated. And the ground would look so much better on driving onto the estate rather than seeing it's arse end and having to drive round a stupidly narrow feeder road to see the main entrance. Misunderstood you. Apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 16:02:22 GMT
That was just my personal opinion, I've no insight into the original planning or construction other than it must have been completed by an imbecile or have been the subject of massive bungs. My opinion is that if it had been built the opposite way round and pushed back towards the railway line the access issues would have been greatly alleviated. And the ground would look so much better on driving onto the estate rather than seeing it's arse end and having to drive round a stupidly narrow feeder road to see the main entrance. Misunderstood you. Apologies. At the time some felt the away end should be the other side which I never quite understood-. The police for one advised that away supporters and coaches should be enclosed at the far end of the stadium out of view of home supporters which makes sense to me and home supporters exit away from them and the away fans can board coaches in safety
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Post by misterj on Sept 8, 2022 16:03:37 GMT
There was no plans for a train station,I have a plan of the original outline for the stadium and around the area and no plan of a station was ever discussed There were no drawn station plans on either stadium design, why would there be if not approved ? but 100% was discussed and never got out off the ground. The plan wasn't to build it at the time of the stadium construction but to look at it at later date with road issues etc Moxey himself actually addressed the issue Can’t say I agree with this, perhaps not detailed in black and white but - as you say - certainly discussed at council level. A leading city council member at the time said to me, “There’s going to be a train station, the fans will be looked after, it’s all part of the plan.” Why would you build the stadium right next to a main train line but then NOT incorporate into the infrastructure of the f…..ing project? Dumb & dumber springs to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 16:11:58 GMT
There were no drawn station plans on either stadium design, why would there be if not approved ? but 100% was discussed and never got out off the ground. The plan wasn't to build it at the time of the stadium construction but to look at it at later date with road issues etc Moxey himself actually addressed the issue Can’t say I agree with this, perhaps not detailed in black and white but - as you say - certainly discussed at council level. A leading city council member at the time said to me, “There’s going to be a train station, the fans will be looked after, it’s all part of the plan.” Why would you build the stadium right next to a main train line but then NOT incorporate into the infrastructure of the f…..ing project? Dumb & dumber springs to mind. Because it was rejected almost immediately by the train authorities who felt a station wasn't justified in their schedules. As mentioned, Moxey actually spoke out on this and his disappointment. The ground wasn't built near the train line for that reason. I spoke to him about it myself along with 20 other things re the ground. There were plans for another exit road for the stadium that never happened also he actually had plans for an arena near the ground which never took off also. His love of basketball, ice hockey etc was no secret and part of a future plan. Would have made a station more feasible I guess in the long run.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 8, 2022 16:14:27 GMT
The original plans for the new stadium included a train station, all rubber stamped by the council, the club and the funding stream which I think was European community money due to the new ground being just inside former boundary of hem Heath coal mine which was why they got the regeneration money in the first place. The philosophy of the council was: get SCFC to move onto trentham lakes and businesses would follow, most fans/residents thought “that’ll never happen” but it DID!! Now the club need to make sure the other half of the deal Comes to fruition ie: the train station. With a f…..ing obscene family kitty of five billion (or whatever it is) they should me made to fund it. Regular trains on match days to stop there plus a couple of ‘specials’ one from Crewe Alsager etc and one from congleton Kidsgrove etc then during the match they’re held in sidings ready for the return trip. Not f…..ing rocket science is it?? Or is it!!! Really? This post is up there It would be the law in Holland with there being so many businesses being in that area. Seems bonkers that we don't have similar transport polices. Ho hum.
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Post by spoton on Sept 8, 2022 16:15:35 GMT
There were no drawn station plans on either stadium design, why would there be if not approved ? but 100% was discussed and never got out off the ground. The plan wasn't to build it at the time of the stadium construction but to look at it at later date with road issues etc Moxey himself actually addressed the issue Can’t say I agree with this, perhaps not detailed in black and white but - as you say - certainly discussed at council level. A leading city council member at the time said to me, “There’s going to be a train station, the fans will be looked after, it’s all part of the plan.” Why would you build the stadium right next to a main train line but then NOT incorporate into the infrastructure of the f…..ing project? Dumb & dumber springs to mind. It's not a main train line that's why it was never on the cards, the infrastructure was in place because there was and are sidings at Hem Heath but no direct line so majority of fans would need to change at stoke and that put a stop to it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 16:25:29 GMT
Can’t say I agree with this, perhaps not detailed in black and white but - as you say - certainly discussed at council level. A leading city council member at the time said to me, “There’s going to be a train station, the fans will be looked after, it’s all part of the plan.” Why would you build the stadium right next to a main train line but then NOT incorporate into the infrastructure of the f…..ing project? Dumb & dumber springs to mind. It's not a main train line that's why it was never on the cards, the infrastructure was in place because there was and are sidings at Hem Heath but no direct line so majority of fans would need to change at stoke and that put a stop to it Yep It was never on the cards, realistically . In no way was the ground built there for the railway line. Was just something looked at as a possibility on match days .
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Post by boothenender on Sept 10, 2022 6:53:30 GMT
Would the "Potters Loopy Line" be viable financially ?. I do not think so. Wè could do with some young bright thing putting uo a vote/opinion poll to see if it is a starter. If there is a big vote in favour for it then we could ask the Supporters Reps to put it to the powers that be to put it to the City Council etc.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2022 9:03:55 GMT
All cities should have a decent tram system.
That is all.
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2022 9:05:33 GMT
Would the "Potters Loopy Line" be viable financially ?. I do not think so. Wè could do with some young bright thing putting uo a vote/opinion poll to see if it is a starter. If there is a big vote in favour for it then we could ask the Supporters Reps to put it to the powers that be to put it to the City Council etc. The City Council would then, perfectly reasonably, then point out they have absolutely no way of funding any of it Even if the club financed the building of a halt neither the club nor the council would have any ability to arrange the actual trains Only the train companies could do that and they would have no interest in overcoming the difficulties of avoiding timetable issues. It's an absolute non starter
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 10, 2022 9:56:52 GMT
A train station might work but it needs to be in conjunction with other things, for example a reason to stay at or around the ground before and after the match (like the much talked about 'fan zone').
There's no reason to arrive at matches early either apart from making sure you get there in plenty of time to avoid traffic chaos (and sometimes watching the players warm up). It was cool to see Carl Asaba at the last home match, but thanks to the P.A. I couldn't hear a word he was saying.
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 10, 2022 10:37:19 GMT
All cities should have a decent tram system. That is all. The infrastructure in Stoke is lightyears behind cities like Nottingham and Manchester. Tram system would be the perfect way and make it affordable too, and it would also make it easier to travel into hanley when they build the arena. Time for our council and city to break away from the little old stoke tag
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2022 10:46:57 GMT
All cities should have a decent tram system. That is all. The infrastructure in Stoke is lightyears behind cities like Nottingham and Manchester. Tram system would be the perfect way and make it affordable too, and it would also make it easier to travel into hanley when they build the arena. Time for our council and city to break away from the little old stoke tag How? It would need enormous investment from central government Our councils have so little actual power, authority and money
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Post by nott1 on Sept 10, 2022 11:03:09 GMT
All cities should have a decent tram system. That is all. The infrastructure in Stoke is lightyears behind cities like Nottingham and Manchester. Tram system would be the perfect way and make it affordable too, and it would also make it easier to travel into hanley when they build the arena. Time for our council and city to break away from the little old stoke tag The transport system in Nottingham is fantastic. I have a bus service every ten minutes into town where I can get trams in several directions to other towns plus hospital as well as a choice of park and ride destinations. No problems getting to Meadow Lane, City Ground or Trent Bridge plus the Racecourse and Dog Track. To make it easier to get to The City Ground (to watch Stoke now and again) work is about to start on a new pedestrian and cycle bridge over the Trent River. What have Stoke council done? Built an inacessible freezing cold football ground that has no decent parking, and sends an army of money grabbing traffic wardens out to fine anyone parking within several miles of their football matches. What a right shower of incompetant idiots you have in charge of your (my ex) city. People living here moan about the council too but they do a good job I think and Stoke council should seek their advice on how to keep football fans well served! No need to use our car to go anywhere in Nottingham for shopping etc. No driving around wasting time looking for parking spaces or using costly multi story parks, there should be similar in all cities nowadays ,and there was free European money available to build the systems ,but not any more since Brexit (any farce).
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Post by misterj on Sept 10, 2022 12:13:32 GMT
What about a monorail similar to Alton Towers, no need to interfere with road system as it would be above roads starting point e.g. Stoke train station and finishing at or near the stadium funded by the Coates family and just running on matchdays?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2022 12:29:54 GMT
What about a monorail similar to Alton Towers, no need to interfere with road system as it would be above roads starting point e.g. Stoke train station and finishing at or near the stadium funded by the Coates family and just running on matchdays? It would cost millions for a few weeks a year. Same reason the train station idea was rejected. Imagine the planning involved aso.
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