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Post by banksy1art on Sept 7, 2022 7:13:22 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 7, 2022 7:18:33 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground. Or like the one at Old Trafford. Just a platform which is serviced just on matchdays from Piccadilly or from the other direction.
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2022 7:22:10 GMT
Could build it quite easily
Organising the trains without disrupting the line was deemed beyond the Ken or will of the train companies when it was looked into back in the 90s
The obvious answer is a genuine integrated transport system which includes trams or a light urban railway well organised park and rides plus heavy subsidies from central government
However as we live in the UK and not in a sensible country absolutely none of this will ever happen
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 7, 2022 7:24:59 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 7, 2022 7:49:27 GMT
So if the train was at 5:30 people would wait?….like fuck they would they’d walk back into Stoke ( 15 mins ) or catch the bus (3 mins )
It’s a waste of time and money and ITS NOTHING to do with SCFC
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 7, 2022 7:53:46 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground. Ask Brighton fans what their train is like, it doesn't solve many issues, their queueing is horrendously bad. So bad that they leave the concourse open at the stadium for up to an hour after the game.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 7, 2022 7:54:25 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground. Or like the one at Old Trafford. Just a platform which is serviced just on matchdays from Piccadilly or from the other direction. Which has now closed.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 7, 2022 7:57:00 GMT
Or like the one at Old Trafford. Just a platform which is serviced just on matchdays from Piccadilly or from the other direction. Which has now closed. One of our own wouldn't have to be closed though
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 7, 2022 7:59:02 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground. Why take a train to Stoke Station from Stafford and then take another train to the ground? If there was a station at the ground just get the Stafford - Stoke train to stop at the ground, Sorted. Best thing would be to have north and south platforms at the new station set off to one side of the main lines. So through trains would not have to wait while stopping trains loaded/unloaded.
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Post by generationex on Sept 7, 2022 8:01:58 GMT
Is it to do with Stoke City.
The club loses out because plenty of people can’t be bothered to struggle to and from the ground so don’t bother going. Casual support is dissuaded.
The team loses out because 10,000 fans leave before the end of the game because the can’t face the wait.
The city loses out because it shows there’s no functioning transport network. The chaos last night was for less than 30,000 people with no other event taking place in north staffs. Fixing this is job of the of the city council, a perfect use of the levelling up money we were promised.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 7, 2022 8:02:21 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground. Why take a train to Stoke Station from Stafford and then take another train to the ground? If there was a station at the ground just get the Stafford - Stoke train to stop at the ground, Sorted. Best thing would be to have north and south platforms at the new station set off to one side of the main lines. So through trains would not have to wait while stopping trains loaded/unloaded. Yes a loop line with a platform . Can approach from both directions using a crossover line. Couple of minutes max to either load or unload.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 7, 2022 8:05:48 GMT
Could build it quite easily Organising the trains without disrupting the line was deemed beyond the Ken or will of the train companies when it was looked into back in the 90s The obvious answer is a genuine integrated transport system which includes trams or a light urban railway well organised park and rides plus heavy subsidies from central government However as we live in the UK and not in a sensible country absolutely none of this will ever happen It couldn't be easily built, would cost an absolute fortune and would be a nightmare to timetable. Just think about the impact of TV moving the schedule.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 7, 2022 8:22:03 GMT
Who is paying for this ‘easy to build’ station?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 7, 2022 8:25:52 GMT
Great idea but would never get off the ground with regards timetables for a start & even accounting for a train stopping at platform for a minimum of 2 mins.
Yes a location could easily be suited with sidings on the "up" side where Marcrofts is...but this is Marcrofts sidings not Network Rail, so not on the network as such.
...and grounds with Stations catered for their own needs very rarely work. The Old Trafford example on the Mterolink is a good one, but as mentioned the original station by the Football Ground closed years ago, same as the station built for the Baseball Ground on match days....and even the "its never used" station for the CBS Arena in Coventry, not timetabled on match day or a very irregular service
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 8:44:58 GMT
Is it to do with Stoke City. The club loses out because plenty of people can’t be bothered to struggle to and from the ground so don’t bother going. Casual support is dissuaded. The team loses out because 10,000 fans leave before the end of the game because the can’t face the wait. The city loses out because it shows there’s no functioning transport network. The chaos last night was for less than 30,000 people with no other event taking place in north staffs. Fixing this is job of the of the city council, a perfect use of the levelling up money we were promised. Nail on head.
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Post by werrington on Sept 7, 2022 8:48:22 GMT
Is it to do with Stoke City. The club loses out because plenty of people can’t be bothered to struggle to and from the ground so don’t bother going. Casual support is dissuaded. The team loses out because 10,000 fans leave before the end of the game because the can’t face the wait. The city loses out because it shows there’s no functioning transport network. The chaos last night was for less than 30,000 people with no other event taking place in north staffs. Fixing this is job of the of the city council, a perfect use of the levelling up money we were promised. I agree with virtually all that but it’s not the job or remit of Stoke City to sort anything away from its boundaries They can ask the question….that’s all
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 7, 2022 8:55:20 GMT
The cheapest and easiest way is a organised park and ride system, strategically placed hubs around the outskirts of the city working alongside the city bus system would remove hundreds of cars, e.g by utilising Knypersley Cricket club which would be out of season for cricket you are catering for :- Congleton, Biddulph, MowCop, knypersley, etc. One Coach would take a average 20 cars away from the ground, But the club and the fans are going to have to alter their match day culture, fans will need to arrive for matches earlier so the club will have to provide better pre match entertainment and cheaper and varied catering.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 8:59:15 GMT
Is it to do with Stoke City. The club loses out because plenty of people can’t be bothered to struggle to and from the ground so don’t bother going. Casual support is dissuaded. The team loses out because 10,000 fans leave before the end of the game because the can’t face the wait. The city loses out because it shows there’s no functioning transport network. The chaos last night was for less than 30,000 people with no other event taking place in north staffs. Fixing this is job of the of the city council, a perfect use of the levelling up money we were promised. Nothing to do with the club. As explained before, the club were keen on the idea from the time the stadium plans were drawn and was never going to happen due to the lack of usage would get, non match days and the proximity to Stoke Station, the biggest issue.
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 7, 2022 9:05:30 GMT
Good idea 24 years too late.
Didn't Coventry try to do something at the Ricoh before Wasps became the owners of the ground? Might be wrong on that one.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 7, 2022 9:09:41 GMT
The club won’t own the track, the land, the trains. They wouldn’t operate the trains or the timetable. I have no idea why anybody thinks that it’s anything to do with the club.
It will be built if the rail operator thinks they can make money from it. Which they won’t.
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Post by eddyclamp on Sept 7, 2022 9:13:26 GMT
Is it to do with Stoke City. The club loses out because plenty of people can’t be bothered to struggle to and from the ground so don’t bother going. Casual support is dissuaded. The team loses out because 10,000 fans leave before the end of the game because the can’t face the wait. The city loses out because it shows there’s no functioning transport network. The chaos last night was for less than 30,000 people with no other event taking place in north staffs. Fixing this is job of the of the city council, a perfect use of the levelling up money we were promised. Nothing to do with the club. As explained before, the club were keen on the idea from the time the stadium plans were drawn and was never going to happen due to the lack of usage would get, non match days and the proximity to Stoke Station, the biggest issue. I`m no expert on transport systems, but there is a lot of people that work down there now with all those warehouses, perhaps they could also use the train station or platform? Worked at Barlaston station for Wedgewoods for years
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Post by stokeranger on Sept 7, 2022 9:13:45 GMT
Nothing in England is built easily.. too much red tape. It will never happen.
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 7, 2022 9:14:39 GMT
Could build it quite easily Organising the trains without disrupting the line was deemed beyond the Ken or will of the train companies when it was looked into back in the 90s The obvious answer is a genuine integrated transport system which includes trams or a light urban railway well organised park and rides plus heavy subsidies from central government However as we live in the UK and not in a sensible country absolutely none of this will ever happen It couldn't be easily built, would cost an absolute fortune and would be a nightmare to timetable. Just think about the impact of TV moving the schedule. Your last paragraph bang on the money. How many trains would run on a Sunday or at 22.00 on a Wednesday or Friday night ? Sky can change dates when they want. I'm sure train companies wouldn't be as accommodating at short notice.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 7, 2022 9:18:27 GMT
Question - would it be cheaper to build a new ground in a better place or fix the traffic problems?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 7, 2022 9:30:30 GMT
Tram system would be cheaper, wouldn't it?
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Post by Veritas on Sept 7, 2022 9:32:05 GMT
Tram system would be cheaper, wouldn't it? No
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 7, 2022 9:34:13 GMT
Tram system would be better as it would improve and benefit the entire City, and would be a more frequent service by default.
It should have happened years ago and frankly if the government are committed to reducing emissions as they say they are they should make it a national program to put a proper tram system into most major cities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 9:36:08 GMT
Nothing to do with the club. As explained before, the club were keen on the idea from the time the stadium plans were drawn and was never going to happen due to the lack of usage would get, non match days and the proximity to Stoke Station, the biggest issue. I`m no expert on transport systems, but there is a lot of people that work down there now with all those warehouses, perhaps they could also use the train station or platform? Worked at Barlaston station for Wedgewoods for years The idea was thrown out before it even got off the ground so unlikely to ever happen
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 7, 2022 9:38:01 GMT
The lack of vision from some of our supporters matches the city. Even if it cost tens of millions, over time it would help to boost the town centre bringing significantly more footfall to stoke boosting local businesses. It also takes cars and traffic off the road which is an aim for the future. It should be funded by the council.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 7, 2022 9:38:10 GMT
Just needs to happen doesn’t it? Last night sealed the deal for me. a station at the ground would alleviate most of the problems. Think of all the traffic that would be taken off the road if they would just build a station. Fans that arrived at stoke station had to get taxis and busses to the ground increasing the traffic and many had to drive to the game because they know how far the ground is from the station, I know many fans from stafford that drove up for this game and were stuck in traffic all night, some of them turned back and missed the game entirely! A train from stafford to stoke is 15 minutes and only £4 for both ways, take them to stoke station then hop on a train right to the ground, of course it will be hard to build and there will be implications but fuck me can the club and city council not see? Pull your fingers out. This game did nothing good for the city anyway even if it did go to plan because fans can’t spend money in the town centre due to the transport links, a station would encourage fans to spend money in town and then hop onto a train right to the ground. Ask Brighton fans what their train is like, it doesn't solve many issues, their queueing is horrendously bad. So bad that they leave the concourse open at the stadium for up to an hour after the game. When we played Brighton on a Monday night at the AMEX in our relegation season I got back to the car at 11:45 when the game finished at around 09:55. It was an absolute joke.........
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