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[wannabee]

Nov 25, 2024 7:37:28 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Nov 25, 2024 0:35:43 GMT wannabee said:

Of course it is, but that's not particularly unusual .... until the Police have an opportunity to investigate 

At first the Met believed they were responding to a stabbing incident, they weren't and sad to say they have fueled the situation by their original release.

Some people are predisposed to automatically believe any incident is perpetrated by immigrants 

The reporting of this incident has traveled all around the World ( I could link if you like) with imagery of Big Ben that London isn't a safe place to visit 

Nobody ever listens to the final outcome because the damage has been done by the first shit thrown, never the retraction.

Maybe we will find out eventually that this was a brawl between a Christian Prayer Group from Cardiff that had consumed too much Columbian Marching Powder, who knows.

It doesn't matter, because the next day or the day after people with the attention span of a Goldfish will have moved on, but they will be content with their original beliefs and prejudices of what they believe happened 

Things change all the time as does the time in reporting an incident on the media especially if it means keeping people away from a potentially dangerous location by putting in an early press release.

If it had been a stabbing and the police hadn’t put a warning out and waited to long then they’d have been accused of not protecting the public especially if the suspect had been at large.
Also if there had been a large scale fight involving knives who’s to say what the injuries were or why the initial belief was that the male had been stabbed.

As a member of the public I’d rather the police went high than low if it meant keeping people away from a crime scene by putting in an early release.

It’s too early to make such scathing comments without knowing the whole story of why they came to the early conclusion it was a stabbing without knowing the injuries and how much they were told.
I’m sure none of it was done deliberately to stoke up a reaction.

I don’t see much conjecture around it being involving immigrants either because of the initial release.
Not on here anyway.

Let’s hope those responsible are dealt with swiftly.

You have created a whole series of scenarios that never happened 

Saying sadly the Police were premature is hardly scathing

In any case a few people on here have already solved the crime and know exactly who the perpetrators are so not much work left for the Police.

[crouchpotato1]

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Nov 25, 2024 8:35:51 GMT oggyoggy said:

Nov 25, 2024 7:59:23 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Not me. A criminals a criminal regardless of there background.
I think all the majority want is consistency.

That certainly isn’t the opinion of the people critical of the Manchester airport assault. They want that dealt with before anything else.

Or turning it around could they want it dealing with the same time as other cases that have been dealt with more hastily.
I guess it’s all about perception.

[wannabee]

Nov 25, 2024 14:17:51 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Nov 25, 2024 8:35:51 GMT oggyoggy said:

That certainly isn’t the opinion of the people critical of the Manchester airport assault. They want that dealt with before anything else.

Or turning it around could they want it dealing with the same time as other cases that have been dealt with more hastily.
I guess it’s all about perception.

It probably is about perception when it should be about facts

Just as an example a large number of people were brought to Magistrates Court as a result of the rioting in Middlesbrough 

Some of them pleaded Guilty and were named and dealt with immediately 

Some of them pleaded not Guilty and they were not named and their cases were transferred to the higher Crown Court 

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy553dgkz6o

The Labour Councillor who was charged with inciting counter protests appeared in Court pleaded not Guilty and his trial date has been set for January 

Im quite sure you know how the Criminal Justice System works 

If or when the Manchester Brothers are charged they will go to Court almost certainly straight to Crown Court to enter a plea, if they plead Guilty it will be dealt with immediately, if they plead not Guilty a trial date will be set for between 6/12 months later.

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Nov 25, 2024 10:49:16 GMT wannabee said:

Nov 25, 2024 7:37:28 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Things change all the time as does the time in reporting an incident on the media especially if it means keeping people away from a potentially dangerous location by putting in an early press release.

If it had been a stabbing and the police hadn’t put a warning out and waited to long then they’d have been accused of not protecting the public especially if the suspect had been at large.
Also if there had been a large scale fight involving knives who’s to say what the injuries were or why the initial belief was that the male had been stabbed.

As a member of the public I’d rather the police went high than low if it meant keeping people away from a crime scene by putting in an early release.

It’s too early to make such scathing comments without knowing the whole story of why they came to the early conclusion it was a stabbing without knowing the injuries and how much they were told.
I’m sure none of it was done deliberately to stoke up a reaction.

I don’t see much conjecture around it being involving immigrants either because of the initial release.
Not on here anyway.

Let’s hope those responsible are dealt with swiftly.

You have created a whole series of scenarios that never happened 

Saying sadly the Police were premature is hardly scathing

In any case a few people on here have already solved the crime and know exactly who the perpetrators are so not much work left for the Police.

“At first the Met believed they were responding to a stabbing incident, they weren't and sad to say they have fueled the situation by their original release.”

You weren’t simply saying it was premature you said the police “fuelled” the situation which I think is a little unfair when you know nothing about

- how the job was initially reported.
- what they were told.
- why they felt they needed to give an update early and the thinking behind it.

Maybe I’m nitpicking but isn’t the majority of everything being posted conjecture as none of us know the full story of how the incident developed or why decisions were made.

[oggyoggy]

Nov 25, 2024 14:17:51 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Nov 25, 2024 8:35:51 GMT oggyoggy said:

That certainly isn’t the opinion of the people critical of the Manchester airport assault. They want that dealt with before anything else.

Or turning it around could they want it dealing with the same time as other cases that have been dealt with more hastily.
I guess it’s all about perception.

If we have a spate of assaults on police officers in airports across the country then, yes, speed up sentencing for those pleading guilty where possible to protect the police. If it is a one off, why does it need speeding up?

[wannabee]

Nov 25, 2024 14:54:10 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Nov 25, 2024 10:49:16 GMT wannabee said:

You have created a whole series of scenarios that never happened 

Saying sadly the Police were premature is hardly scathing

In any case a few people on here have already solved the crime and know exactly who the perpetrators are so not much work left for the Police.

“At first the Met believed they were responding to a stabbing incident, they weren't and sad to say they have fueled the situation by their original release.”

You weren’t simply saying it was premature you said the police “fuelled” the situation which I think is a little unfair when you know nothing about

- how the job was initially reported.
- what they were told.
- why they felt they needed to give an update early and the thinking behind it.

Maybe I’m nitpicking but isn’t the majority of everything being posted conjecture as none of us know the full story of how the incident developed or why decisions were made.

Of course they did. 

Would you have posted about the incident or would it have received widespread media attention if it was reported that a man suffered a heart attack as a result of a punch-up?

So as a result inadvertently or not they fueled the situation, saying so it not scathing, it's stating a fact.

[thehartshillbadger]

news.sky.com/story/girl-8-and-man-seriously-injured-in-west-london-double-shooting-police-appeal-for-information-13260421

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Nov 25, 2024 15:29:13 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

news.sky.com/story/girl-8-and-man-seriously-injured-in-west-london-double-shooting-police-appeal-for-information-13260421

0 morals. It’s staggering how the respect for life is so low for some people.

[crouchpotato1]

All kicking off in Londistan🙄

[Huddysleftfoot]

Nov 24, 2024 17:56:07 GMT wannabee said:

Nov 24, 2024 17:06:31 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Suffered a heart attack🤔is that what they’ve concocted then🤔

If you had read Cobs link before you posted, you needn't have embarrassed yourself,  again. 

The man has no shame and therefore never gets embarrassed.

[Huddysleftfoot]

Nov 27, 2024 16:09:46 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

All kicking off in Londistan🙄

1. You can't even spell it correctly
2. It's a racist trope you're using there.

[Northy]

Nov 27, 2024 16:09:46 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

All kicking off in Londistan🙄

Those good old cockney accents loud and clear

[crouchpotato1]

Nov 27, 2024 16:19:58 GMT Huddysleftfoot said:

Nov 27, 2024 16:09:46 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

All kicking off in Londistan🙄

1. You can't even spell it correctly
2. It's a racist trope you're using there.

Thats what it’s called nowadays isn’t it🤔

[crouchpotato1]

This can’t be today surely 🤔no riot gear or horses🤷‍♂️

[mrnovember]

Nov 28, 2024 18:52:47 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

This can’t be today surely 🤔no riot gear or horses🤷‍♂️

I remember the days when attempting to break a police line got you a right kicking and subsequently branded a racist thug.

[crouchpotato1]

Nov 28, 2024 19:03:16 GMT mrnovember said:

Nov 28, 2024 18:52:47 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

This can’t be today surely 🤔no riot gear or horses🤷‍♂️

I remember the days when attempting to break a police line got you a right kicking and subsequently branded a racist thug.

Yes not too long ago🤔