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Post by iancransonsknees on May 10, 2024 12:10:07 GMT
1- The threads titled “London” hence why most posts are about it. 2- Mr Khan is the crime commissioner as well as being mayor so he has to take some not all of the blame. 3 - The thread was opened after Johnson was mayor. 4 - This threads called London npt Khan. The posts are predominantly about the unnecessary losses of young lives and the concerns around the city / observations. Just because it upsets some doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have an opinion. 5 - Khan has got in for a third term but then didn’t the Tories? Were they doing a good job? I agree Khan has to take responsibility for crime in his city. It is lower than the national average overall. Well done Sadiq. Knife crime is high. But it is lower than when Johnson was mayor so Khan is an improvement in that respect but he needs to do everything he can to reduce it. However, I think more police officers and less deprivation would have a bigger impact on knife crime (and crime as a whole). Khan has some powers over police officers and there are 1800 more in London under his leadership, but ultimately it is the government who are responsible for budgets and for deprivation. So the Home Sec, the Treasury and the PM need to take more responsibility as they hold the power to actually reduce crime rates, across the whole of the country. Overall, London is one of the best cities in the world. The mayor has very limited impact on that overall assessment. Knife crime and crime at current levels has not diminished London’s status for being an amazing place to live or visit. If crime in general in London is lower than the rest of the country, and knife crime is reducing under Khan then it would make more sense to invest in those areas that are suffering worse statistically around those issues, rather than pouring more money into an area that if not having major success tackling the issues is at least maintaining the status quo. These issues aren't detrimental to London's attractiveness as a place to visit or live in, therefore the investment in reducing the issues in those areas suffering worse would serve to achieve similar levels of desirability and livability. Levelling up innit? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 10, 2024 12:21:24 GMT
Not sure he is held to higher levels. But if he is its possibly because he's the mayor of one of the highest profile cities in the world. A bit like how the man utd or real madrid manager appears to be held to a higher standard than the Vale one. Dunno... I take your point about higher profile but isn't that all the more reason to report the facts fairly and accurately It is not helped when people like 3P Lee, I now call him that as inflation is coming down and in honour of the 3 Political Party's he has been a member of, is given blanket Media Coverage when he makes a Racist claim that Khan is being controlled by Islamists. And someone urges the thread not to become Political and questioned why Racism had to be mentioned 🤣 You are less likely to become a victim of a crime in London than Nationally which is of little consolation to you if you become a victim or live in an area with a high crime rate. Antisocial Behaviour rates are amongst the lowest in the Country. Murder Rates are falling and well below when Johnson was Mayor and many other parts of UK. Knife Crime is a problem but below Pre-pandemic Rates and many other parts of the Country It's a mixed bag and more needs to be done but it is at least unhelpful to distort the facts www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/26/fact-check-has-sadiq-khan-really-overseen-a-surge-in-londonI'm pretty sure there's been plenty of disparaging comments made about Bozo Johnson on this platform over the past few years. Has anyone claimed it to be a racist attack or indeed unfair? Can't say I've noticed that if it has indeed occurred. I like London it deserves a better mayor than the duplicitous incumbent. Ideally one who has no particular political allegiance. That'd be nice. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 10, 2024 12:37:47 GMT
1- The threads titled “London” hence why most posts are about it. 2- Mr Khan is the crime commissioner as well as being mayor so he has to take some not all of the blame. 3 - The thread was opened after Johnson was mayor. 4 - This threads called London npt Khan. The posts are predominantly about the unnecessary losses of young lives and the concerns around the city / observations. Just because it upsets some doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have an opinion. 5 - Khan has got in for a third term but then didn’t the Tories? Were they doing a good job? I agree Khan has to take responsibility for crime in his city. It is lower than the national average overall. Well done Sadiq. Knife crime is high. But it is lower than when Johnson was mayor so Khan is an improvement in that respect but he needs to do everything he can to reduce it. However, I think more police officers and less deprivation would have a bigger impact on knife crime (and crime as a whole). Khan has some powers over police officers and there are 1800 more in London under his leadership, but ultimately it is the government who are responsible for budgets and for deprivation. So the Home Sec, the Treasury and the PM need to take more responsibility as they hold the power to actually reduce crime rates, across the whole of the country. Overall, London is one of the best cities in the world. The mayor has very limited impact on that overall assessment. Knife crime and crime at current levels has not diminished London’s status for being an amazing place to live or visit. I agree Khan has to take responsibility for crime in his city. It is lower than the national average overall. Well done Sadiq. Knife crime is high. But it is lower than when Johnson was mayor so Khan is an improvement in that respect but he needs to do everything he can to reduce it. I guess that depends on what figures you want to believe and what part of London you live in. However, I think more police officers and less deprivation would have a bigger impact on knife crime (and crime as a whole). Khan has some powers over police officers and there are 1800 more in London under his leadership, but ultimately it is the government who are responsible for budgets and for deprivation. So the Home Sec, the Treasury and the PM need to take more responsibility as they hold the power to actually reduce crime rates, across the whole of the country. Fair point supported by targeted S and S. In relation to Mr Khan what I find with him is that he’s very good at accepting praise but very poor at putting his hands up when things aren’t going well. Overall, London is one of the best cities in the world. The mayor has very limited impact on that overall assessment. Knife crime and crime at current levels has not diminished London’s status for being an amazing place to live or visit. It is an amazing city visually and I want it to stay that way. It is however also very toxic in parts. Because of its size and some very wealthy parts this dilutes some of the serious issues it has in less wealthy boroughs. It’s very much a split of great wealth and dangerous parts. |
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Post by wannabee on May 10, 2024 12:45:21 GMT
I agree Khan has to take responsibility for crime in his city. It is lower than the national average overall. Well done Sadiq. Knife crime is high. But it is lower than when Johnson was mayor so Khan is an improvement in that respect but he needs to do everything he can to reduce it. However, I think more police officers and less deprivation would have a bigger impact on knife crime (and crime as a whole). Khan has some powers over police officers and there are 1800 more in London under his leadership, but ultimately it is the government who are responsible for budgets and for deprivation. So the Home Sec, the Treasury and the PM need to take more responsibility as they hold the power to actually reduce crime rates, across the whole of the country. Overall, London is one of the best cities in the world. The mayor has very limited impact on that overall assessment. Knife crime and crime at current levels has not diminished London’s status for being an amazing place to live or visit. If crime in general in London is lower than the rest of the country, and knife crime is reducing under Khan then it would make more sense to invest in those areas that are suffering worse statistically around those issues, rather than pouring more money to and area that if not having major success tackling the issues is at least maintaining the status quo. These issues aren't detrimental to London's attractiveness as a place to visit or live in, therefore the investment in reducing the issues in those areas suffering worse would serve to achieve similar levels of desirability and livability. Levelling up innit? You are totally correct that resources should always be distributed evenly with additional to areas of most need. Just focusing on Police resources the Government has performed its usual conjuring trick. In austerity it cut 20,000 Police Officers and then in 2019 it began to recruit them back like a strange hokey-cokey dance. In the meantime it also cut non front line staff who weren't replaced meaning 6,000 Police Officers are now working on non front line duties. In the same period population grew from under 63M to 68M so the expectation is to do more with less. I have no idea which Police Forces are most affected by Staff Levels, I'd guess Cobs may, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a correlation to performance. I am quite certain there is a correlation between crime rates and deprivation. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/05/police-still-suffering-damage-uk-government-cuts-funding-crisis |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 10, 2024 12:47:25 GMT
I take your point about higher profile but isn't that all the more reason to report the facts fairly and accurately It is not helped when people like 3P Lee, I now call him that as inflation is coming down and in honour of the 3 Political Party's he has been a member of, is given blanket Media Coverage when he makes a Racist claim that Khan is being controlled by Islamists. And someone urges the thread not to become Political and questioned why Racism had to be mentioned 🤣 You are less likely to become a victim of a crime in London than Nationally which is of little consolation to you if you become a victim or live in an area with a high crime rate. Antisocial Behaviour rates are amongst the lowest in the Country. Murder Rates are falling and well below when Johnson was Mayor and many other parts of UK. Knife Crime is a problem but below Pre-pandemic Rates and many other parts of the Country It's a mixed bag and more needs to be done but it is at least unhelpful to distort the facts www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/26/fact-check-has-sadiq-khan-really-overseen-a-surge-in-londonI'm pretty sure there's been plenty of disparaging comments made about Bozo Johnson on this platform over the past few years. Has anyone claimed it to be a racist attack or indeed unfair? Can't say I've noticed that if it has indeed occurred. I like London it deserves a better mayor than the duplicitous incumbent. Ideally one who has no particular political allegiance. That'd be nice. It’s got zero to do with colour other than to those that weaponise it when people criticise something they don’t agree with. In the current climate it’s to easy for some to use colour to kill an argument. I’m sure that some of those accusing people of attacking Khan because of his colour are happy to hammer Sunak and his government. People rarely turn that on them. Perhaps it’s simply Khans politics and arrogance that people don’t like. I know that’s the case for me. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 10, 2024 15:12:13 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law.
A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option...........
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 10, 2024 15:52:52 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law. A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option........... It’s utterly appalling |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 10, 2024 16:06:17 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law. A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option........... Very dangerous precedent because they’ll be policing their beliefs with a bias rather than lawfully. Neighbourhood watch is an excellent initiative but for gathering and giving out information not taking things to the next step. The uniform is a little too close to the police too and could cause issues. They won’t have the tools to deal with violent situations either. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 10, 2024 16:08:47 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law. A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option........... Very dangerous precedent because they’ll be policing their beliefs with a bias rather than lawfully. Neighbourhood watch is an excellent initiative but for gathering and giving out information not taking things to the next step. The uniform is a little too close to the police too and could cause issues. They won’t have the tools to deal with violent situations either. The uniforms and cars are ridiculous and to be honest I'm surprised they're legal? (if they are of course) |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 10, 2024 16:10:22 GMT
Very dangerous precedent because they’ll be policing their beliefs with a bias rather than lawfully. Neighbourhood watch is an excellent initiative but for gathering and giving out information not taking things to the next step. The uniform is a little too close to the police too and could cause issues. They won’t have the tools to deal with violent situations either. The uniforms and cars are ridiculous and to be honest I'm surprised they're legal? (if they are of course) It’s dangerous for so many reasons. There is an offence of impersonating a police officer. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 10, 2024 16:23:59 GMT
The uniforms and cars are ridiculous and to be honest I'm surprised they're legal? (if they are of course) It’s dangerous for so many reasons. There is an offence or impersonating a police officer. Takes the phrase “two tier policing” to another level |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 11, 2024 11:09:17 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 11, 2024 12:38:20 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law. A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option........... I have mixed feelings, I lived in Stamford Hill many moons ago where the first Shomrim was set up in London in 2008 although I had long left the area by then The objective is very much based on neighbourhood watch, they don't carry weapons and liaise closely with local Police. Comments from Police Commissioners have been largely supportive but not universally so especially about the uniforms they wear, which is ridiculous and potentially dangerous to themselves and the general public (Sarah Everard) Their advantage is they can respond very quickly to low level crime as they live in the area and if it requires Police attendance they escalate but many alerts don't do Police time has not been wasted. In the aftermath of Lee Rigby Murder Shomrim Stamford Hill approached the Local Muslim Community and offered assistance in ensuring no attacks would take place on Mosque's an offer gratefully accepted and it was reported Internationally at the highest levels. Membership is not confined to Haredi Jews but not sure how many non Haredi are members The fact no high profile negative incidents have been reported against Shomrim's that I'm aware of would suggest they operate ethically and there are many reports of Police acknowledging their assistance In a more heated and polarised society currently they may face more challenges I'm quite certain if a Muslim Group set up a similar organisation there would be uproar in the media and further talk of no go areas |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 11, 2024 13:16:00 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law. A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option........... I have mixed feelings, I lived in Stamford Hill many moons ago where the first Shomrim was set up in London in 2008 although I had long left the area by then The objective is very much based on neighbourhood watch, they don't carry weapons and liaise closely with local Police. Comments from Police Commissioners have been largely supportive but not universally so especially about the uniforms they wear, which is ridiculous and potentially dangerous to themselves and the general public (Sarah Everard) Their advantage is they can respond very quickly to low level crime as they live in the area and if it requires Police attendance they escalate but many alerts don't do Police time has not been wasted. In the aftermath of Lee Rigby Murder Shomrim Stamford Hill approached the Local Muslim Community and offered assistance in ensuring no attacks would take place on Mosque's an offer gratefully accepted and it was reported Internationally at the highest levels. Membership is not confined to Haredi Jews but not sure how many non Haredi are members The fact no high profile negative incidents have been reported against Shomrim's that I'm aware of would suggest they operate ethically and there are many reports of Police acknowledging their assistance In a more heated and polarised society currently they may face more challenges I'm quite certain if a Muslim Group set up a similar organisation there would be uproar in the media and further talk of no go areas In my opinion I find it odd how we seem to have spent decades separating religion and Christianity from law and from how society operates to a situation where we have other religions moving front and centre and demanding society fits around them and tolerates all their bullshit and squabbles. But I guess diversity is our strength and I'm a bigot for even questioning it 🙄 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 11, 2024 13:16:17 GMT
What's people's thoughts on this just out of interest? I know on this thread there have been references to "Londonistan" and "Sharia Law" creeping in but here we have a community watch organisation (in this instance made up of Jews in their local community) for all intense and purposes acting like the police. Would people be as tolerant if these were Muslims "policing" Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest for example? Or any other groups that might want to do it in the name of the rule of law. A good thing, or a slippery slope? I actually think providing there are clear lines between Shomrim (or other groups) and the police it can be beneficial to the area, although of course a properly funded police force looking after all communities of any faith, race, colour etc would of course be the preferred option........... I have mixed feelings, I lived in Stamford Hill many moons ago where the first Shomrim was set up in London in 2008 although I had long left the area by then The objective is very much based on neighbourhood watch, they don't carry weapons and liaise closely with local Police. Comments from Police Commissioners have been largely supportive but not universally so especially about the uniforms they wear, which is ridiculous and potentially dangerous to themselves and the general public (Sarah Everard) Their advantage is they can respond very quickly to low level crime as they live in the area and if it requires Police attendance they escalate but many alerts don't do Police time has not been wasted. In the aftermath of Lee Rigby Murder Shomrim Stamford Hill approached the Local Muslim Community and offered assistance in ensuring no attacks would take place on Mosque's an offer gratefully accepted and it was reported Internationally at the highest levels. Membership is not confined to Haredi Jews but not sure how many non Haredi are members The fact no high profile negative incidents have been reported against Shomrim's that I'm aware of would suggest they operate ethically and there are many reports of Police acknowledging their assistance In a more heated and polarised society currently they may face more challenges I'm quite certain if a Muslim Group set up a similar organisation there would be uproar in the media and further talk of no go areas Yeah we have them here around Prestwich/Sedgley Park and parts of Salford. It was the impersonating the police right up to the uniforms, cars, language they use etc that was more of a surprise as I don't recall ever seeing that before not around Manchester anyway. And as you say if a Muslim organisation did the same thing I think there would be definite pushback if I'm honest................ |
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Post by wannabee on May 11, 2024 13:51:39 GMT
I have mixed feelings, I lived in Stamford Hill many moons ago where the first Shomrim was set up in London in 2008 although I had long left the area by then The objective is very much based on neighbourhood watch, they don't carry weapons and liaise closely with local Police. Comments from Police Commissioners have been largely supportive but not universally so especially about the uniforms they wear, which is ridiculous and potentially dangerous to themselves and the general public (Sarah Everard) Their advantage is they can respond very quickly to low level crime as they live in the area and if it requires Police attendance they escalate but many alerts don't do Police time has not been wasted. In the aftermath of Lee Rigby Murder Shomrim Stamford Hill approached the Local Muslim Community and offered assistance in ensuring no attacks would take place on Mosque's an offer gratefully accepted and it was reported Internationally at the highest levels. Membership is not confined to Haredi Jews but not sure how many non Haredi are members The fact no high profile negative incidents have been reported against Shomrim's that I'm aware of would suggest they operate ethically and there are many reports of Police acknowledging their assistance In a more heated and polarised society currently they may face more challenges I'm quite certain if a Muslim Group set up a similar organisation there would be uproar in the media and further talk of no go areas In my opinion I find it odd how we seem to have spent decades separating religion and Christianity from law and from how society operates to a situation where we have other religions moving front and centre and demanding society fits around them and tolerates all their bullshit and squabbles. But I guess diversity is our strength and I'm a bigot for even questioning it 🙄 As a Republican Atheist I agree with you mate but while we have King Charles 111 as the Supreme Govenor of the Church of England and Defender of the Faith and Anglican Bishops appointed to an unelected House of Lords to oversee Parliament it hard to argue against people of other Faiths feeling excluded and setting up their own groupings A counter argument could be being a Citizen born or immigrant to this Country that's part of the deal but that would put us alongside some of the worst Regime's in the world. The French were on the right track when they lost their heads a couple of hundred years ago, but they are not without diversity issues. Historically Colonisation can be traced by both Britain and France to the advent of "Diversity" |
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Post by knype on May 11, 2024 19:52:12 GMT
So what are you insinuating Huddy? As usual you're too thick to understand eh sunshine? Wow. Huddy. You need to learn when to keep your warped mind to yourself. |
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Post by knype on May 11, 2024 19:52:46 GMT
So what are you insinuating Huddy? He is insinuating that some people on here are racist and have an agenda.I wont insinuate,I will state that there are. Another deluded wankstain |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2024 19:59:56 GMT
He is insinuating that some people on here are racist and have an agenda.I wont insinuate,I will state that there are. Another deluded wankstain Knype meltdown ongoing.... |
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Post by knype on May 11, 2024 20:06:02 GMT
Another deluded wankstain Knype meltdown ongoing.... Not at all. In fact quite the opposite. Make some more shit up... |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 12, 2024 11:56:30 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68999503Isn’t it really sad that people have posted videos of the attack on social media. This is the pathetic world we live in where people do such acts to gain hits on X. They should be dealt with criminally for such insensitive acts
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Post by phileetin on May 13, 2024 11:07:16 GMT
colourful chaps
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 13, 2024 21:15:40 GMT
What is the elephant in the room that you are referring to? |
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Post by Foster on May 13, 2024 21:26:43 GMT
What is the elephant in the room that you are referring to? Leave his Mrs out of it! |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on May 14, 2024 13:31:01 GMT
What is the elephant in the room that you are referring to? They have footage, but not released any clear pictures, or even any description. They hardly ever do. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 18, 2024 9:28:35 GMT
In relation to the tourist side there is no match to London though there’s nothing new there as it’s always been the best with all it’s history and wonderful landmarks / great shopping streets and restaurants. Add to that the pomp and pageantry that you get with the royal weddings and coronations. Funnily enough I’m travelling in tomorrow to spend some time in and around the Regent’s park area. |
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